betadine and gold
Alan S. Ferrency
I've also been recommended to use betadine instead of hibiclens to clean
new pierces. I just happen to have a cheap source of gold jewelry, so I
want to use gold for my navel pierce, but I want to know if I should use
betadine or hibiclens. I'm not concerned about the gold's color as much
as whether the reaction between the gold and the betadine creates
something I shouldn't have in an unhealed pierce. Can anyone tell me
their experiences on this issue? Thank you very much.
Also, on a different subject, does anyone know if Titanium can be used
effectively for piercing jewelry (in particular, unhealed piercings)?
I've read that it's "hypoallergenic," but I'm not sure how true that
is...
-me
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In article <odeLMwC00...@andrew.cmu.edu> af...@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:
>I read that betadine makes gold turn colors or something like that.
>I've also been recommended to use betadine instead of hibiclens to clean
>new pierces. I just happen to have a cheap source of gold jewelry, so I
>want to use gold for my navel pierce, but I want to know if I should use
>betadine or hibiclens. I'm not concerned about the gold's color as much
>as whether the reaction between the gold and the betadine creates
>something I shouldn't have in an unhealed pierce. Can anyone tell me
>their experiences on this issue? Thank you very much.
>
Betadine will discolor gold, but it won't produce any reactants
that will harm your piercing. On a related noted, Betadine also will
discolor niobium jewelry. If you don't want to ruin your jewelry and
can't tolerate diluted Hibiclens, try Basic-H or Benzalkonium Chloride,
commonly sold as "Ear Car Solution". (BTW: this is _not_ Bactine, which
it is sometimes mistaken for. Bactine is alcohol and Lidocane)
The current medical opinion seems to be that alcohol, hydrogen
peroxide and iodine cause more tissue damage than they're worth. Try
and keep the wound clean and try to let air in on the pierce. Antibiotic
creams and gels can block both drainage and air to the piercing, so try
and avoid those too, unless you're showing signs of getting an infection.
Hope your navel piercing heals up nicely.
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Guy Grundwell
>effectively for piercing jewelry (in particular, unhealed piercings)?
>I've read that it's "hypoallergenic," but I'm not sure how true that
>is...
If I'm not mistaken, I believe that niobium and titanium are both used
in medicinal implants so they are both relatively inert and won't react
with your body. Since niobium is ok to use with a healing piercing, then
my guess is that titanium is fine as well.
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Scott Dorsey
>In article <odeLMwC00...@andrew.cmu.edu> af...@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:
>>
>>Also, on a different subject, does anyone know if Titanium can be used
>>effectively for piercing jewelry (in particular, unhealed piercings)?
>>I've read that it's "hypoallergenic," but I'm not sure how true that
>>is...
>
>If I'm not mistaken, I believe that niobium and titanium are both used
>in medicinal implants so they are both relatively inert and won't react
>with your body. Since niobium is ok to use with a healing piercing, then
>my guess is that titanium is fine as well.
That's true. However, titanium is hard, brittle stuff, and not ductile enough
to do most jewelery work with. I suppose it would be possible to make rings
and the like out of it, but it would be difficult and not cheap.
Hmm... I've got some shop scraps of the stuff around here. Let me try making
an earring and a post and I'll tell you how it does.
--scott
The Jumpin Dude
me and a friend were shopping for titanium earrings for a gift a while back,
stopped at several earring-shops in the mall, asked if they had any titanium
earrings;
at three stores the person at the counter said 'I don't know, what do they look
like?'
;-)
tim
CHACHRA Debbie
ly one of the very best metals to put in your body, as it forms a passive
oxide layer very easily, and that is very resistant to scratching or dissolution. The only reason why it isn't used more extensively in medical implants is
because it doesn't have the mechanical properties you would often want (ie in
hip replacements). Since this isn't a concern in decorative jewelry, it ought
to be great.
Debbie
(who sometimes wonders if she's in Biomaterials so she can find out more about
piercing stuff)
.
Anthony A. Datri
>ly one of the very best metals to put in your body, as it forms a passive
>oxide layer very easily,
I'd think that aluminium would act similarly.
> and that is very resistant to scratching or dissolution.
Aluminium probably doesn't fit that bill, though.
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Scott Dorsey
>Titanium isn't the easiest stuff in the world to work with, but it is probab-
>ly one of the very best metals to put in your body, as it forms a passive
>oxide layer very easily, and that is very resistant to scratching or
>dissolution.
Yes, I managed to get some 22 AWG titanium wire from a friend (I should point
out that this was scrap material and was discarded, therefore no longer gov't
property and all that stuff). When heated up it oxidizes very rapidly, like
aluminum. Since it's too brittle to bend at room temperature and too reactive
to bend with a simple torch, I tried using a reducing atmosphere and had some
luck. It still pits very easily. I managed to make some fairly simple
patterns with the stuff, and beat it flat on an anvil, but it's not as clean
and even as I'd like.
Maybe we should crosspost this to sci.materials and ask if someone knows
where to get some micro-MIG equipment....
Jeff Dauber
>In article <29...@darkstar.ucsc.edu> clu...@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (CLueless User Device) writes:
>> On a related noted, Betadine also will
>>discolor niobium jewelry.
>
>using betadine ointment on niobium for 2 months now, and I haven't noticed
>any discoloration yet. Should I switch to something else? (Had a problem
>with the hibiclens earlier).
Based on the fact that your personal experience says that betadine
has not been changing the color of your ring, I would say that you
have nothing to worry about.
However, what are you using betadine for, at this point? If you have
had the piercing for over 2 months, you should have switched to simple
soap and water by now.
Jeff
-FWA
Helene
Aluminium does =not= behave similarly... Aluminium will keep
oxidizing, thereby removing a lot of the oxygen in the piercing. This
means that your blood cells can't live there, while assorted nasties
like gangrene thrive quite happily. My SO got aluminium dust in a
cut, and developed gangrene within 4 hours... PLEASE don't try
aluminium jewelry!
Helene
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In article <1992Feb27....@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c15...@volga.Berkeley.EDU writes:
>
>Erk! Is this true? And how bad/noticable is the discoloration? I've been
>using betadine ointment on niobium for 2 months now, and I haven't noticed
>any discoloration yet. Should I switch to something else? (Had a problem
>with the hibiclens earlier).
>
Well, that's what Mark at the SF Gauntlet told me. I just bought a _really_
nice set of niobium rings that are striped and patterned in different colors.
From what he told me, it doesn't _really_ ruin the metal, but since the colors
on the set I'd just bought were so intricate, we decided to be careful. I
mentioned it mainly for those who buy the multi-colored jewelry and
don't want to ruin it.
At this point, I've dilluted my Hibiclens twice, and I've found that using
good old glycerin water (1 part glycerin to 2 parts water) on the irritated
skin solves a lot of problems. When I start getting less crusty matter
coming out of the piercings, I'll probably switch to benzalkonium chloride
as my disinfectant.
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Michael C. Berch
> Betadine will discolor gold, but it won't produce any reactants
> that will harm your piercing. On a related noted, Betadine also will
> discolor niobium jewelry. If you don't want to ruin your jewelry and
> can't tolerate diluted Hibiclens, try Basic-H or Benzalkonium Chloride,
> commonly sold as "Ear Car Solution". (BTW: this is _not_ Bactine, which
> it is sometimes mistaken for. Bactine is alcohol and Lidocane)
Actually, I have a bottle of Bactine in front of me and the Active
Ingredients are listed as benzalkonium chloride 0.13% and lidocaine HCl
2.5%; Inactive Ingredients are edetate disodium [a preservative],
fragrances, octoxynol 9, propylene glycol, purified water, and alcohol 3.17%.
This is the squeeze bottle marked "Bactine First Aid Spray".
Stuff I have seen as "Pierced Ear Solution" seems to be relatively
similar, possibly with a phenolic ingredient. But Bactine is much
cheaper.
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Michael C. Berch
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In article <920229.1...@foucault.postmodern.com> m...@foucault.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) writes:
>Actually, I have a bottle of Bactine in front of me and the Active
>Ingredients are listed as benzalkonium chloride 0.13% and lidocaine HCl
>2.5%; Inactive Ingredients are edetate disodium [a preservative],
>fragrances, octoxynol 9, propylene glycol, purified water, and alcohol 3.17%.
Inactive Ingredient? You
be the judge. That's more alcohol than the lidocane
and benzalkonium chloride _combined_. Isopropyl
alcohol sometimes causes scarring and slows down
healing.
They've finally changed it, sort of. I haven't used Bactine in years
because the alcohol makes my skin scar. Dunno where you're buying your ear
car solution, but you really shouldn't pay more than $1.50 for a 6oz bottle.
It's that alcohol that would still make me leery of using Bactine for a
piercing. (or for any cut on _my_ skin, for that matter)
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> On a related noted, Betadine also will
>discolor niobium jewelry.
Erk! Is this true? And how bad/noticable is the discoloration? I've been
using betadine ointment on niobium for 2 months now, and I haven't noticed
any discoloration yet. Should I switch to something else? (Had a problem
with the hibiclens earlier).
Sasha- (kind of maybe starting to sort of de-lurk)
Clark M. Wright
Betadine, nobium, and titanium -
Nobium is, if my sources are correct, electrically colored titanium.
The only way to color titanium is to heat it via electrical current.
The hotter it gets, the brighter the color. Vary the electrical current
along the way, you get various colors on the titanium.
If you cut the titanium in half, it will be the same color all the way
thru.
And Titanium/Nobium is non-allergenic, most people will not have a reaction
to it. It is almost as good as Surgical Stainless Steel and Gold, which
are the best non-allergenic metals available (never can remember which is
better)
Hypo-allergenic means non-allergenic.
And betadine will not/can not discolor titanium/nobium (the metal is far
too hard/has the wrong molecular structure for betadine to discolor it)
Any material science/metalurgy folks out there that can prove/disprove the
above??
Grins,
clark, with bits of fighter planes hanging in parts of his body...
Jonathan Eifrig
>
>Betadine, nobium, and titanium -
>
>Nobium is, if my sources are correct, electrically colored titanium.
Sorry, Clark. To start with, there _is_ no such stuff as "nobium;"
the material in question is niobium. Secondly, titanium, atomic number
22, is not at all the same as niobium, atomic number 41, except for the
fact that they are both, silver-colored metals. Perhaps the most important
difference for us is the fact that niobium is ductile enough to be drawn
into wire, while titanium is too brittle.
_My_ source? My dictionary. (It's amazing that people will believe
whatever they hear without even checking against the _simplest_ sources for
_any_ confirmation.)
>The only way to color titanium is to heat it via electrical current.
>The hotter it gets, the brighter the color. Vary the electrical current
>along the way, you get various colors on the titanium.
This effect is called "incandescence." It can be commonly observed
in the home using an ordinary desk lamp. See the tungsten filament get hot!
Look at the bright color! What you're referring to is oxidation of the surface
of the metal, and there are many ways to achieve that.
Titanium, like most metals, can be colored by: alloying with other
materials, oxidization of the surface, electrical or chemical plating and
chemical etching.
Oh, paint works too. Just for point of reference, the skin of the
SR-71 is made from a titanium alloy. Can you guess why it is called the
"Blackbird?"
>If you cut the titanium in half, it will be the same color all the way
>thru.
>
>And Titanium/Nobium is non-allergenic, most people will not have a reaction
>to it. It is almost as good as Surgical Stainless Steel and Gold, which
>are the best non-allergenic metals available (never can remember which is
>better)
>
>Hypo-allergenic means non-allergenic.
As any woman knows, "hypo-allergenic" does _not_ mean "non-allergenic;"
if it did, make-up manufacturers would have been calling their products "non-
allergenic" for years. All "hypo-allergenic" means is that steps have been
taken to reduce a product's likelihood of provoking an allergic reaction.
One could develop a strain of "hypo-allergenic" honeybees.
>Any material science/metalurgy folks out there that can prove/disprove the
>above??
My pleasure. Actually, all that was needed was a dictionary and
a high-school chemistry class.
>
>Grins,
>
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>
>Nobium is, if my sources are correct, electrically colored titanium.
>
Er, uh... I trust you mean Niobium? Niobium is an element and has nothing
^
in common with Titanium beyond the fact that they are both metallic.
Just thought I'd clear that up a bit. Of course if you are really talking
about something called Nobium, then please disregard this post and relegate me
to the "you DICK" category, and please accept my apologies.
-Andy V.
Tejas Wood
> >Titanium isn't the easiest stuff in the world to work with, but it is probab
> >ly one of the very best metals to put in your body, as it forms a passive
> >oxide layer very easily,
>
> I'd think that aluminium would act similarly.
>
> > and that is very resistant to scratching or dissolution.
>
> Aluminium probably doesn't fit that bill, though.
>
>
>
> --
Considering the damning evidence against aluminum, I would recomend
against it.
Where does one find titanium jewelry? I know about silver, gold, stainless
and even niobium...but titanium? Where do you get it?
Im still having trouble with my stainless (end of june 1991) nipple
rings.
-texx
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Clark M. Wright
Humble, humble...after watching jonathon punch several
large holes in my last post. (BTW thanks for the corrections,
i think the only thing I got right was my name... :-)
Teach me to post while recovering from from having
wisdom teeth pulled out...
where are those pain killers?
grins,
clark, slinking back into his hole...
Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames
>> Betadine will discolor gold, but it won't produce any reactants
>> that will harm your piercing. On a related noted, Betadine also will
>> discolor niobium jewelry. If you don't want to ruin your jewelry and
>> can't tolerate diluted Hibiclens, try Basic-H or Benzalkonium Chloride,
>> commonly sold as "Ear Car Solution". (BTW: this is _not_ Bactine, which
>> it is sometimes mistaken for. Bactine is alcohol and Lidocane)
Bullshit. The only difference is that bactine has a bit more
Benzalkonium Chloride, along with the lidocaine and some scent
agents (And maybe some other stabilizers or something.
Active ingredients are identical; I *have* checked this.
-Karl
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