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Meghan

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My friend David (the "snopes" of http://www.snopes.com) got a query
which he sent on to me. I dug through Deja and regurgitated what I
found there, but I wonder if anyone has anything to add on the subject.

"This is such an informative site and I was wondering if you could
verify something I've heard. The Prince Albert piercing - wherein the
penis is pierced at the tip with a ring - is rumored to be named as such
because Prince Albert had that piercing done in order to hook his penis
to his back leg, thus ensuring a "smooth" look. True?"


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David Gartner

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Meg***h***an wrote:
>
>"This is such an informative site and I was wondering if you could
>verify something I've heard. The Prince Albert piercing - wherein the
>penis is pierced at the tip with a ring - is rumored to be named as such
>because Prince Albert had that piercing done in order to hook his penis
>to his back leg, thus ensuring a "smooth" look. True?"
>

that's what i always heard, except that a
"belt" or "strap" with an extension in back
was used. the extension had a hook on
it and went thru the legs to hook to the
PA.

david
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Meghan:
>http://www.snopes.com

and you've gotta love that MIDI version of
"i heard it thru the grapevine."

Ulf Scherov

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Meghan wrote:

> My friend David (the "snopes" of http://www.snopes.com) got a query
> which he sent on to me. I dug through Deja and regurgitated what I
> found there, but I wonder if anyone has anything to add on the subject.
>

> "This is such an informative site and I was wondering if you could
> verify something I've heard. The Prince Albert piercing - wherein the
> penis is pierced at the tip with a ring - is rumored to be named as such
> because Prince Albert had that piercing done in order to hook his penis
> to his back leg, thus ensuring a "smooth" look. True?"
>

> -Meghan
> ________________
>
> http://nettrash.com/users/meghan/enter.html
>
> "I think, therefore I'm single." --- Liz Winston

AFAIK it was a pretty common piercing, known as a "dress ring", used to
hide unsightly bulges in the pants by keeping it tied away.

The queens consort probably had one too.

Ulf
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SlackTop

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Meghan asks--

> [...] Prince Albert had that piercing done in order to hook his penis


>to his back leg, thus ensuring a "smooth" look. True?

No. It was actually hooked to his *front* leg.

Hope this helps.

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SlackTop

Dave Reinken

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Meghan wrote:
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> My friend David (the "snopes" of http://www.snopes.com) got a query
> which he sent on to me. I dug through Deja and regurgitated what I
> found there, but I wonder if anyone has anything to add on the subject.

Quick search finds:

http://www.bme.freeq.com/culture/970101/phistory.html
> Prince Albert: Long before it became associated with royalty, Victorian haberdashers called the Prince Albert a "dressing ring". According to Doug Malloy,
> the practice apparently originated with Beau Brummel, "a gay effete bachelor" who used the device to secure his penis against his leg and diminish his
> "manly endowments" during the Victorian craze for crotch-cutting pants. Around 1842-43, at the age of twenty-five, Prince Albert installed a dressing ring in
> his penis. Gossip magazines proclaimed the dressing ring a Prince Albert. Doug Malloy learned about the P.A. while working as a professional scuba Diver.
> Two Swede divers wore P.A.s as a means of controlling the flow of urine into a "rubber urinal" so that they didn't foul their diving suits. After piercing his
> penis, Doug discovered the P.A. was more than functional, it provided him with "wonderful sensations".

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/4127/sex.html
> The Prince Albert was originally called a
> "dressing ring" and was used to secure the penis against the leg in Victorian times when tight pants were in style; to this day it is still used by some scuba
> divers to control the urine into a designated receptacle.

http://www.adrenalin.dynamite.com.au/prince_a.htm
>The Prince Albert Piercing , was also known in the Victorian days as a "Dressing Ring", was apparently designed to strap the penis tightly
>against the leg to minimize the bulge caused by the penis when wearing the very tight trousers which were fashionable at that time. As the
>rumor goes, Prince Albert wore one of these "Dressing Rings" to hold back his foreskin so to keep his member sweet-smelling so as not to
>offend the Queen.

http://yourpage.blazenet.net/seven/info-his.html
> Named for Queen Victora's consort Prince Albert who is said to have had one. It is also sometimes refered to as the "dressing ring." Legend has it that the
> piercing was introduced by fashion revolutionary Beau Brummell and was used to secure the penis against the leg to reduce any "unsightly" bulge in tight
> pants.

(the following has like a whole page on history on Victoria leading up
to this..)
http://www.hom.net/~walkuere/news-AGR/victoria.html
> Enter what would become celebrated as the "Prince Albert Ring," which nicely solved the problem of satisfying both the dictates of current fashion and the
> essentiality of keeping one's penis and yet being fashionable - and discreet. It is not known who came up with the idea (at least, if it is, I have yet to find
> mention of the proud inventor) of basically "chaining the Beast," but it worked. For those unaware of the mechanics, a ring was inserted, usually on the
> underside, through the end of the urethea so that it dangled along the underside of the glans penis. A chain was attached, and the penis pulled down between
> the legs so that the penis, in essence, "disappeared" and was not visible in tight clothing. Though the "Prince Albert Ring" is considered the "fastest healer" of
> genital piercings, one can imagine that the apparatus took some getting used to. (For the curious, there is a picture on the 'Net, though I warn you that it is
> utterly devoid of medical terminology: http://www.queernet.org/deviant/fsprmprc.htm#Glossary )
> Since this ring could not be easily removed and replaced without risk of the skin healing over, it can be imagined that once in place, Victorian gentlemen
> left them there, at least for long periods until there was absolutely no danger of having to repeat the whole business over again. I have found no information as
> to at what age men had this procedure done, or who was doing the procedure.
> All this being said, the introduction of this metal ring on such a sensitive organ, which ultimately was headed for contact with another sensitive organ, it
> opens up a whole new view of what went on in Victorian bedrooms. Victoria, who shows herself to be amazed and intrigued by the simplest differences
> between a man and a woman (as I mentioned before, she enjoyed watching Albert shave) could hardly failed to notice that Albert was adorned with a ring
> and chain, be they of iron or silver. It can be supposed that Victoria inquired as to its function and noticed that it provided sensation.

Meghan

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SlackTop wrote:

<<Meghan asks-->>

Wait a minute. Don't attribute that one to me --- it's somebody who
wrote in to the ULRP.

<< No. It was actually hooked to his *front* leg. >>

One could assume the person meant to the back *of* his leg, but hey.

<<Hope this helps.>>

Not particularly. Most of the jokes about it on the UL list were a lot
funnier. But nice try.

cshardie

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Meghan wrote:
> Why would they bother with piercing it just to tie it away? Why not
> just use a little leash? Or did it serve a sexual purpose even then?

Actually tying or wrapping it probably would have chaffed more than
using a piercing to hook it back.

That might have defeated the purpose ;)

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Meghan

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Ulf Scherov wrote:

<<AFAIK it was a pretty common piercing, known as a "dress ring", used
to hide unsightly bulges in the pants by keeping it tied away.>>

Have a cite, perchance? Not about Prince Albert doing it in particular,
but about anyone doing it and the historical period in which it was
prevalent.

Why would they bother with piercing it just to tie it away? Why not
just use a little leash? Or did it serve a sexual purpose even then?

Meghan

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Meghan wrote:

<<Have a cite, perchance? Not about Prince Albert doing it in
particular, but about anyone doing it and the historical period in which
it was prevalent.>>

Never mind --- Dave Reinken went above and beyond.

LordMonkey

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In article <381E89...@nettrash.com>,

meg...@nettrash.nospam.com wrote:
> My friend David (the "snopes" of http://www.snopes.com) got a query
> which he sent on to me. I dug through Deja and regurgitated what I
> found there, but I wonder if anyone has anything to add on the
subject.
>
> "This is such an informative site and I was wondering if you could
> verify something I've heard. The Prince Albert piercing - wherein the
> penis is pierced at the tip with a ring - is rumored to be named as
such
> because Prince Albert had that piercing done in order to hook his

penis
> to his back leg, thus ensuring a "smooth" look. True?"
>
At that period in history it was the fashion to have a PA in order to
fasten the penis to the leg so the tightest pants possible could be
worn. So that part is true. I'm not sure whether Prince Albert himself
actually had one or if that's just a legend.
--
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well-oiled machine."


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WyrdWoman

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Meghan wrote in message...

>Why would they bother with piercing it just to tie it away? Why not
>just use a little leash? Or did it serve a sexual purpose even then?


My friend, the Drag Queen, said that a common thing in the business was
to tie a tampon string around the penis, and insert the tampon in their
ass. For some reason, I think I would prefer a Prince Albert.

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Jez

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whats always amused me more, in those days, instead of using a lignocaine
based anaesthetic, they used cocaine to dull the urethra. ouch.


Jez

Nina Baltes

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Jez wrote:
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> whats always amused me more, in those days, instead of using a lignocaine
> based anaesthetic, they used cocaine to dull the urethra. ouch.

Cocaine is still occasionally used for local anesthesia of the cornea as
well :)

Nina
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Jez

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really? what properties does it have to do this? i assume its a liquid form?
hey, you learn something new everyday...


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Nina Baltes

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"Jez" <seven...@virgin.net> wrote:

>really? what properties does it have to do this? i assume its a liquid form?
>hey, you learn something new everyday...

I made cocaine eyedrops (cocaine hydrochloride in water iirc) in pharm
class. The stinging apparently ceases when the local anesthetic effect
kicks in ;-).
It's a regular local anesthetic, like the other 'caines.
It was actually the first one to be developed. It has one major
disadvantage: it breaks down when you sterilize it. That's why the
others were invented (first one being procaine). Yeah, and because
it's addictive ;-).

Nina

Ulf Scherov

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LordMonkey wrote:

> At that period in history it was the fashion to have a PA in order to
> fasten the penis to the leg so the tightest pants possible could be
> worn. So that part is true. I'm not sure whether Prince Albert himself
> actually had one or if that's just a legend.
> --
> LordMonkey

It would seem like he did, it was a fairly common piercing in high society
AND the queen allegedly mentioned his PA in writing. Though she didn't
refer to it as a PA, of course.

Plogsloth

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In article <381E89...@nettrash.com>, Meghan <meg...@nettrash.com> writes:

>"This is such an informative site and I was wondering if you could
>verify something I've heard. The Prince Albert piercing - wherein the
>penis is pierced at the tip with a ring - is rumored to be named as such
>because Prince Albert had that piercing done in order to hook his penis
>to his back leg, thus ensuring a "smooth" look. True?"
>

I posted a great deal about this a few years back, but I think this is actually
worth repeating.

There is solid evidence to support the dressing ring during the Victorian era,
including a few mentions of notables needing medical assistance when the
piercing became intolerable. Oddly however, there has been no luck in
attributing the pierce to Prince Albert himself, We do know with reasonable
certainty that Sir Walter Raliegh sported such an adornment and it was to him
that the phrase "So as not to offend the Queen" can be attributed in reference
to the pierce being used to keep the foreskin back. Through the years I have
lost contact with the proffesor that gave me this information, but I do believe
if anyone cared enough the actual citation should be available via a deja
search. The book in question was essentially a reprinting of various gossip of
the era, including the scandelous news of Sir Ralieghs need for medical
attention.


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Sean Christian

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During this era it was the fashion to have a dressing hook.
It was adopted from eastern European ballet, where it was inappropriate
to show "gender", and they had been doing it from a much earlier era.
That's what I have been told.

But the original Prince Albert myth did come from the phrase "So as not to
offend the Queen". It was supposed to hold back the skin a bit to "air it
out"

thinking of piercing trivia do you know where the hafada came from
and where the placement is? that's a good story

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Jez

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*laughs* getting addicted to eyedrops ;)
now i want someone in my family to ask about eyedrops so i can amaze the,
with useless info now..

Jez

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Jez

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> thinking of piercing trivia do you know where the hafada came from
> and where the placement is? that's a good story


oooh, i know this one.... well, part of it. isnt it a puberty right from a
tribe? i dont know about the placement tho..

Jez

Ulf Scherov

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Nina Baltes wrote:

> Jez wrote:
> >
> > whats always amused me more, in those days, instead of using a lignocaine
> > based anaesthetic, they used cocaine to dull the urethra. ouch.
>
> Cocaine is still occasionally used for local anesthesia of the cornea as
> well :)

And Marijuana is used as a med in some instances, like a few other narcotics.

And Freud recommended cocaine as an anti-depressant (this was when
cocaine wasn't an illegal substance) before he was aware of
it's long-term effects... Nearly ruined his reputation.

i'll teach you to turn away.

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Meghan <meg...@nettrash.com> wrote:
M> Why would they bother with piercing it just to tie it away? Why not
M> just use a little leash? Or did it serve a sexual purpose even then?

i couldn't be everywhere at once.

HA HA HA GET IT? A LITTLE LISH? HAHAHHAAHHA

sorry.

lish
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David Gartner

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WyrdWoman wrote:
>
>My friend, the Drag Queen, said that a common thing in the business was
>to tie a tampon string around the penis, and insert the tampon in their
>ass. For some reason, I think I would prefer a Prince Albert.
>

if i didn't already have a PA, and my choice
was limited to the tampon, i think i'd rather
be a butch drag queen with a big basket.

Colin Thornby

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Cocaine is also used as a topical anaesthetic for nasopharyngeal surgery
- particularly sinus surgery. When I was nursing it was dispensed in
little puffer bottles and kept in the dangerous drugs (S8 in Australia)
safe. Very cheap though - it cost the hospital about A$0.50 for a bottle
(morphine sulphate is even cheaper - a few cents an ampoule!).

Colin

Jez wrote:
>
> whats always amused me more, in those days, instead of using a lignocaine
> based anaesthetic, they used cocaine to dull the urethra. ouch.
>

> Jez
>
> > that's what i always heard, except that a
> > "belt" or "strap" with an extension in back
> > was used. the extension had a hook on
> > it and went thru the legs to hook to the
> > PA.
> >

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myrrh

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Colin Thornby <colin....@arts.monash.edu.au> wrote:
> Cocaine is also used as a topical anaesthetic for nasopharyngeal surgery
> - particularly sinus surgery. When I was nursing it was dispensed in
> little puffer bottles and kept in the dangerous drugs (S8 in Australia)
> safe. Very cheap though - it cost the hospital about A$0.50 for a bottle
> (morphine sulphate is even cheaper - a few cents an ampoule!).
>
> Colin

Heh. My friend had cocaine, got a severe, gushing nosebleed, went to the
hospital, was cauterized w/ Ag nitrate....

Not in that order.

myrrh

(strike strike.)

Computer Lab

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On 02 Nov 1999 19:55:22 GMT, plog...@aol.com.tumor (Plogsloth)
wrote:

>We do know with reasonable
>certainty that Sir Walter Raliegh sported such an adornment and it was to him
>that the phrase "So as not to offend the Queen" can be attributed in reference
>to the pierce being used to keep the foreskin back.

I somehow doubt this. Walter Raleigh died in 1618, and his queen would
have been Elizabeth I, not Victoria.

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Plogsloth

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In article <382083e0.12889581@news>, mct7N...@pge.com (Computer Lab) writes:

>>We do know with reasonable
>>certainty that Sir Walter Raliegh sported such an adornment and it was to
>him
>>that the phrase "So as not to offend the Queen" can be attributed in
>reference
>>to the pierce being used to keep the foreskin back.
>
>I somehow doubt this. Walter Raleigh died in 1618, and his queen would
>have been Elizabeth I, not Victoria.

It's also well documented that they had relations, check your history books,
the point is that the practice is older then the Victorian era, and Prince
Albert was not the originator. Ten years of working a ren Faire and being good
friends with a History proffesor that speciallized in the time period had to be
good for something.

I'm still looking for the book that was cited, but it's rather obscure due to
being so damn old. I know it's available through the University of Wisconsin
Madison Campus Library, if anyones in the area and has some free time.

Computer Lab

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On 03 Nov 1999 20:08:49 GMT, plog...@aol.com.tumor (Plogsloth)
wrote:

>In article <382083e0.12889581@news>, mct7N...@pge.com (Computer Lab) writes:
>
>>>We do know with reasonable
>>>certainty that Sir Walter Raliegh sported such an adornment and it was to
>>>him that the phrase "So as not to offend the Queen" can be attributed in
>>>reference to the pierce being used to keep the foreskin back.
>>
>>I somehow doubt this. Walter Raleigh died in 1618, and his queen would
>>have been Elizabeth I, not Victoria.
>
>It's also well documented that they had relations, check your history books,

It's well documented that there were rumors of relations. Certainly
Raleigh was a favorite at court at times, but the queen's relationship
with the Earl of Leicester was ongoing at the time. Not arguing,
though: just my opinion. My knowledge of the period is admittedly less
than encyclopedic (I was a zoology major).

>the point is that the practice is older then the Victorian era, and Prince
>Albert was not the originator.

Point taken, but then I never said otherwise.

> Ten years of working a ren Faire and being good
>friends with a History proffesor that speciallized in the time period had to be
>good for something.

25 years as a turkey, never actually worked Faire. Hang around a lot
with the RPFN crowd (especially the Irish). Know Linda Underhill. Met
the Pattersons.

Not really interested in PAs. I don't know why I even jumped into
this.

Ampallangs, on the other hand ...

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