Here we go...
Jess Bragg
tattooed, when the artist is prepping the materials and you suddenly
realize that this is going to really hurt? Well, maybe it's because the
magnitude of this procedure is so much greater than that of a tattoo or
piercing, but I'm feeling it already, 3 days before my surgery.
I'm suddenly realizing that I'm going to be in a great deal of pain for
several days, and at least some pain for weeks afterward. I'm realizing
that my life is going to change dramatically. I'm realizing that I can
plan and plan and still I have no clue exactly how things are going to
go.
Stuff like this also makes you think about the small percentage of
people who die while under general anesthesia. It's a small percentage,
but it's still a lot of people, when you think about it. Keith's death
was another log on that particular fire.
Keith's death. I try not to be superstitious, but sometimes stuff crops
up that makes you say "Woah." Today, I was proofing a page from a new
catalogue, and all the prefixes for the prices on the page were "KA".
It gave me some serious willies. I told my coworker about it and she
said that maybe it meant that Keith would be looking out for me, but
that didn't ring true. My immediate thought was that because of the
fact that I have been associating Keith's death with thoughts of my own
mortality, that it was an bad omen about my chances or survival. I know
it's corny and dumb, but it's what initially occurred to me. Still,
being the rational person I am, there's no way in hell I'm postponing
this for a superstitious twinge.
Anyway, to bring it back to topic a bit, I'm going to have an
interesting set of scars from this. If the surgeon finds it necessary
to switch from laparoscopic to open for this procedure (which is likely
because of the fact that stuff is probably all shifted around from my
splenectomy) then I will have a new scar perpendicular to my old scar.
I'll have a great big cross on my tummy. Hmmm, maybe when it's all
healed, I get it tattooed so it looks like ribbons on a package, with a
big bow on my breast. Then I'll get my nipple repierced and hang a card
from it. Tacky? Yeah, I guess so. Nevermind.
Well, if anyone wants to pray, chant, or send healing thoughts, I will
be having my surgery on Monday 7/25 at approximately 7:45 AM Central
Time(GMT -06:00), and I will probably be on the table for upwards of 6
hours. Such spiritual help is certainly appreciated. No atheists in a
foxhole, ya know.
If you're interested in the details about the procedure I'm having,
check out http://really-really.blogspot.com/2005/06/four-ounces.html
Jess
yttr...@gmail.com
and really does end up changing their lifestyle as a result.
Curt James
> I hope that you turn out to be the *one* person who has this surgery
> and really does end up changing their lifestyle as a result.
Define /this surgery/, yttrstein. She provided a link that stated she's
having a weight loss surgery procedure called the Duodenal Switch.
Another RABbit had successful weight loss surgery and, apparently,
ended up changing their lifestyle as a result.
So, by this surgery, did you mean Duodenal Switch specifically -
because I don't think the other RABbit had that surgery type - or did
you mean to say the *second* person?
I'll say a prayer that you survive general anestheisa and, yes, the
surgery as well, Jessica Bragg.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
yttr...@gmail.com
well.
Encore.
Corine
>
> Well, if anyone wants to pray, chant, or send healing thoughts, I will
> be having my surgery on Monday 7/25 at approximately 7:45 AM Central
> Time(GMT -06:00), and I will probably be on the table for upwards of 6
> hours. Such spiritual help is certainly appreciated. No atheists in a
> foxhole, ya know.
*I'll be praying for you before and during surgery Jess.
Dare share your fears with your anaesthesist, I found this to be a great
relief and he was able to soothe me back to calm.
Much love and good vibes,
Corine
Curt James
I see you're not going to answer the question. Forgive me for viewing
your statement as inappropriate and negative. She's no friend of mine,
but then neither are you. Are the two of you friends?
That whole fat people are slower than thin people thing has me
questioning your intelligence, but I would've guessed you could have
come up with something sweeter to offer as a response to Bragg's
hey-I-may-die post.
> Encore.
Obsess much? And speaking of encores:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/msg/87889bb43542b203?hl=en&
Oh, don't be shy. Click it! You call me a pseudo-politically correct
dipshit. Isn't that worth an encore? But, yeah, fat doesn't always
equal slow.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Mara
Please post the instant you are up to it so that we know you're all
right.
You *will* be fine. You will. You know that, you're a logical person.
Don't spook yourself.
Mara
yttr...@gmail.com
And as for questioning intelligence, I do beg your pardon. Clearly
the intellectual potency of a man who teaches little kids that paste
isn't food for a living is one with which to be reckoned.
More stuff about you, curt. You should be just glistening with
pleasure at this point.
Curt James
> Fat Always Equals Slow.
You really want to rehash your ignorance? Fat does not always equal
slow. What's the bodyfat percentage of the average professional
football player? What's your bodyfat percentage? Who would win a race
between you and a professional (and fat) athlete?
Or take a 110-pound girl with not an ounce of fat on her and a
220-pound man with a gut, but heavily muscled as well. Who wins the
race? Time's up. The fat guy!
Yours was a blanket statement which cannot be defended. You were wrong.
You continue to be wrong. It's an incorrect generalization.
> And as for questioning intelligence, I do beg your pardon. Clearly
> the intellectual potency of a man who teaches little kids that paste
> isn't food for a living is one with which to be reckoned.
Another incorrect generalization. How do you measure intelligence? Beg
pardon all you want, but displaying your insecurity like this is
telling.
> More stuff about you, curt. You should be just glistening with
> pleasure at this point.
Anything else?
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Susan
"Corine" <onedam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Heck, Scream and rant and cry at the anaesthetist - you probably won't
remember a thing about it afterwards anyway! :D
Jess, I had a hip replaced a little over a year ago, and I purportedly had a
long conversation with the anaesthetist after he added the "this will make
you relax" drug to my drip. I don't remember a bit of it. Nada
I also apparently hurled a number of times after I came out of surgery. I
had an argument with my husband about it, him saying I did, me saying no
way - how could I forget that?. I firmly believed that until he dredged up
memories that even still are only partial.
I go in for my other hip in September, and am counting on the amnesia
factor.
Good luck, and I hope all goes exactly as you wish!
Susan
Ruzinthra the Ruki
<lady_d...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
>Well, if anyone wants to pray, chant, or send healing thoughts, I will
>be having my surgery on Monday 7/25 at approximately 7:45 AM Central
>Time(GMT -06:00), and I will probably be on the table for upwards of 6
>hours. Such spiritual help is certainly appreciated. No atheists in a
>foxhole, ya know.
we'll be burying my step-mother (metastatic cancer) Monday
morning at 10 am CDT. but i'll still make a point to think of
you and send some good vibes your way.
on second thought, maybe i'll do that *after* the funeral.
hope all goes well for you, Jess.
david
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i'll teach you to turn away.
JB> If you're interested in the details about the procedure I'm having,
JB> check out http://really-really.blogspot.com/2005/06/four-ounces.html
another goes to FPS! awesome.
please don't pull a bekkkah & desire the surgeon to do an INK
RUBBING into your SURGICAL SCAR. omg.
lish "i have holes poked in me
cr...@got.net rendering me useless to collectors." -jerkcity
40.1% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
i'll teach you to turn away.
S> I also apparently hurled a number of times after I came out of surgery. I
S> had an argument with my husband about it, him saying I did, me saying no
S> way - how could I forget that?. I firmly believed that until he dredged up
S> memories that even still are only partial.
do you remember what we talked about when i called, scampy? ;D
lish "you bleed your ethics
cr...@got.net at a slow drip." -at
Jess Bragg
i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
> another goes to FPS! awesome.
FPS?
> please don't pull a bekkkah & desire the surgeon to do an INK
> RUBBING into your SURGICAL SCAR. omg.
Uh, no.
Jess
Judith Cookson
>
> i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
>
>> another goes to FPS! awesome.
>
>
> FPS?
fat person surgery, clearly.
//jew
Erica
> 220-pound man with a gut, but heavily muscled as well. Who wins the
> race? Time's up. The fat guy!
Hm.
Well, from a purely mathematical standpoint, translational kinetic
energy is equal to 1/2[mass*(velocity^2)]. Fatter = more mass = more
energy required = more work needed to establish a higher velocity.
If the race was a short distance in a straight line, barring other
variables, I would bet on the 110 lb girl.
I mean, it's possible that the fat guy trains a lot and is able to
produce enough energy to compensate, but it doesn't change the fact
that being fat slows you down. Look at runners' bodies; they don't
train to be huge, they train to be solid and wiry.
'Cept for the roided-out ones, of course ;)
--Erica
Susan
"i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
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> Susan <sca...@comcast.net> wrote:
> S> I also apparently hurled a number of times after I came out of surgery.
> I
> S> had an argument with my husband about it, him saying I did, me saying
> no
> S> way - how could I forget that?. I firmly believed that until he dredged
> up
> S> memories that even still are only partial.
>
> do you remember what we talked about when i called, scampy? ;D
You called? :-D
Actually, I do remember you calling... and I remember laughing... but though
I could guess about the content of our conversation, that's all they'd be:
guesses - which is too bad. I'm not sure - I may have been still on the
morphine pump.
(Re)enlighten me?
FWIW: I also read a couple of books while in the hospital and I'd bet I
could read them over again and enjoy them just as much, maybe not as "new"
reads but they'd seem only vaguely familiar. I just need to remember which
books they were. :)
All in all, I remember the whole experience as being rather pleasant... I
had a few days where I had no responsibilities, everyone was concerned over
my wellbeing, whatever I wanted I just needed to press a button and I got
it... heck, they had me set up so I didn't even have to get up to pee. The
hospital is practically right next to Walden Pond, I had a nice view of the
Concord River and some woods out my window... if it hadn't been for the
helipad also right out my window it would have been idyllic.
Yeah, there was this pesky incision on my right hip, but it wasn't really a
big deal. I was in pretty good shape so even when they made me get out of
bed and crutch around or had the physical therapist in to do exercises...
that just broke up the day a bit.
Of course, percocet was also involved. :)
So Jess, again good luck, and may it go as nicely (or at least you remember
it so) as mine did for me!
Susan
i'll teach you to turn away.
E> Well, from a purely mathematical standpoint, translational kinetic
E> energy is equal to 1/2[mass*(velocity^2)]. Fatter = more mass = more
E> energy required = more work needed to establish a higher velocity.
E> If the race was a short distance in a straight line, barring other
E> variables, I would bet on the 110 lb girl.
ahahahahah that was awesome. hooray for math!
usually, anyhow:
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/296/2612/1024/idiot.jpg
lish "you still don't understand the reason
cr...@got.net you've been treated so unkind?" -ftf
i'll teach you to turn away.
JC> Jess Bragg wrote:
>> i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
>>> another goes to FPS! awesome.
>> FPS?
yep. i even got kate to refer to hers as that. :D
see, it's a nice, accurate catchall term for people who don't
need to differentiate between gastric bypass, duodenal switch, whatever.
for more information, see .sig.
lish "& 1,000,000 other reasons
cr...@got.net to beat the shit out of me." -jerkcity
i'll teach you to turn away.
S> "i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
S> Actually, I do remember you calling... and I remember laughing... but
S> (Re)enlighten me?
no way. :D
S> Yeah, there was this pesky incision on my right hip, but it wasn't rea
S> big deal. I was in pretty good shape so even when they made me get ou
i dig that they took the extra effort to line geoffrey's tattoo
back up.
lish "i've got truth
cr...@got.net in times of fiction." -hr
yttr...@gmail.com
Tried everything my ass.
Sorry, but its what everyone is thinking. It is utterly revolting to
know that there are people in the world that would happily risk their
lives to keep eating potato chips and sit on couches.
Wanna fight with me? Fuck you, im right.
Kavin
<yttr...@gmail.com> wrote in
> Sorry, but its what everyone is thinking. It is utterly revolting
> to
> know that there are people in the world that would happily risk
> their
> lives to keep eating potato chips and sit on couches.
>
> Wanna fight with me? Fuck you, im right.
The 700 lb man I used to ferry around in the back of my van was the
pickiest eater I ever met, short of a 2 year-old. I would shop for
him and it was amazing how particular that fat fucker could be. I
later figured out that part of the deal was it was his method of
controlling what little part of his life he could. That was probably
one of the contributing factors to his weight.
The family history is rife with molestations, infidelities, incest,
etc. Think there could be a tie in?
But glandular? NO FUCKING WAY.
If you gain weight on an 800 calorie diet, then eat 600 and exercise.
It is that simple.
Kavin
Jess Bragg
yttr...@gmail.com
thing, one healthy, workable option for a number of years without
giving up ever, those are the ones that get thin, despite what curt
would undoubtedly have you believe.
But, FPS exists for a reason.
Erica
> ahahahahah that was awesome. hooray for math!
>
> usually, anyhow:
> http://photos1.blogger.com/img/296/2612/1024/idiot.jpg
>
--Erica
Curt James
SNIP
> SNIP try one thing, oneSNIP despite what
> curt would undoubtedly have you believe.
You're like what'shisface. Piss and moan about my posts and my presence
but then beckon me at every opportunity. Signal-to-noise? You have no
concern for signal and a seeming interest in your own noise. Or
encouraging mine? Which is it? None of the above?
Cortisol.
I just read about alcohol causing a person's body to have a disrupted
release of that hormone which can cause a variety of problems with a
messed up metabolism being just one.
Do you drink beer and/or liquor? It doesn't take a genius to realize
that drinking can put on the unwanted pounds. I'm sure you've heard of
something called a beer gut.
At age 15, I was 6'0" and weighed 150 lbs. I've always been thin. At
6'1", I currently weigh 170 lbs. The most I've *ever* weighed was 180
lbs. and that was the result of years of weight training and
force-feeding. Although I've never been fat, I am starting to see some
blur. My pecs no longer have that defined line and the abs are covered
with some extra padding. It's time to actually USE that
recently-renewed Gold's Gym membership.
And, yeah, I've laid off my stops at the neighborhood bar. Maybe
leaving those Budweisers for someone else will whip my cortisol
production back into shape and, of course, a few gym visits couldn't
hurt.
But that's me. I've never been in the situation Jessica Bragg finds
herself in. Have you, yttrstein? Then why comment?
Again with the incorrect generalization. I can almost hear you cry
foul: *Fat people don't TRY hard enough. They don't STICK WITH an
exercise program or pattern of healthy eating. It's their fault they're
fat*
And again I question your intelligence as well as your lack of
compassion. But, hey, Jess can be a real pickle, so go ahead. Give 'er
/what for/!
Oh, my point! Almost forgot. You're wrong. I really don't even know
what you said, but I'm going with "You're wrong." You seem to like
blanket statements. And I'll bet that one applies.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Erica
> yttr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I hope that you turn out to be the *one* person who has this surgery
> > and really does end up changing their lifestyle as a result.
>
> Define /this surgery/, yttrstein. She provided a link that stated she's
> having a weight loss surgery procedure called the Duodenal Switch.
> Another RABbit had successful weight loss surgery and, apparently,
> ended up changing their lifestyle as a result.
Something to think about...
Look at the success rates of FPSs (thanx lish :D) like Roux-en-y, where
the surgery leads a high level of restriction, malabsorption, and
dumping, thus requiring very little lifestyle change. Then look at the
success rates of surgeries like the Lap Band or vertical banded
gastroplasty, where a high level of patient compliance is needed. The
former has by FAR a higher success rate.
Examples:
http://tinyurl.com/b28sb
http://tinyurl.com/ckatl
http://tinyurl.com/bo5xk
http://tinyurl.com/9h6ry
Of course, there are other contributing factors (eg, gastric bypass is
a more invasive surgery). But, I've read from a lot of sources that
gastroplasty has much higher success rates in Europe than in the US
(example: http://tinyurl.com/c5of4), and it's been theorized that it's
because Americans tend to graze all day instead of eating a few meals.
Unless this whole argument is about him saying "the *one* person", in
which case...dude, it's a figure of speech. Lighten up :)
I'm not trying to be pedantic, I swear. It's just worth mentioning that
I agree that he voices a valid concern.
In any case, Jess, I wish you the best of luck :)
Kate A. Pohjola
> yttr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>I hope that you turn out to be the *one* person who has this surgery
>>and really does end up changing their lifestyle as a result.
yttrstein, i thought you were a bit more clueful and understanding.
perhaps i've overestimated you all these years?
> Define /this surgery/, yttrstein. She provided a link that stated she's
> having a weight loss surgery procedure called the Duodenal Switch.
> Another RABbit had successful weight loss surgery and, apparently,
> ended up changing their lifestyle as a result.
>
> So, by this surgery, did you mean Duodenal Switch specifically -
> because I don't think the other RABbit had that surgery type - or did
> you mean to say the *second* person?
if you're referring to me, i did indeed have this surgery type - the
duodenal switch. and yes, i have had great success with it and have
made major lifestyle changes. was it an easy choice to make? hell no.
was recovery easy? hell no. would i do it again? hell yes.
what most of y'all fail to see is that weight loss surgery, like a diet
and/or a workout plan or whatever route/method you choose, is simply a
tool. work with what you have in front of you, make your choices and
live your life. for those of you that have been able to lose major
amounts of weight (like 186 pounds) without resorting to surgery - kudos
to you. for those of you that say it's a simple as "getting off the
couch and putting down the potato chips," you really have *no* idea what
it's like to be in a position to need to lose something like 186 pounds.
and if you ever find yourself in that position, here's hoping you have
all of the tools available to you when you need them.
that having been said, best wishes Jess. you're right that it's going
to be a tad bit painful for a few days (by now you're probably in
recovery and hopefully they've got you on a pump or even better, an
epidural), and your life IS going to change. now it's totally up to YOU
to make that change work for you.
katester
--
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kate...@katester.net
http://www.katester.net
yttr...@gmail.com
>that drinking can put on the unwanted pounds. I'm sure you've heard of
>something called a beer gut.
I actually tend to drink wine more than anything. Occasionally a good
port or dry sherry.
>But that's me. I've never been in the situation Jessica Bragg finds
>herself in. Have you, yttrstein? Then why comment?
Yes, actually I have. When I was much younger, I decided to change my
body with what I like to call "willpower". I did it for many years,
and permanently changed my eating habits. As a result, I wrestled
varsity in highschool and college and am currently quite healthy.
>Again with the incorrect generalization. I can almost hear you cry
>foul: *Fat people don't TRY hard enough. They don't STICK WITH >an exercise program or pattern of healthy eating. It's their fault >they're fat*
A sedentary lifestyle IS THAT PERSON'S FAULT. You chose your
lifestyle. Just as you've chosen to be an ill-educated, ignorant
loser, someone who is fat has decided that it is more important to move
around as little as possible than it is to get the weight off.
And theres and army of ex-fat people at my back at this one Curt,
including me.
And as for my intelligence, it's not up for discussion. And my
compassion is limited to those who suffer *despite* the decisions the
make, not *because* of them.
yttr...@gmail.com
though). And I know quite a few people who have lost more than that
with hard work, lifestyle changes and exercise.
It comes right down to this:
It fucking revolts me that a person could possibly ever be in the state
of mind where they could chose a POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING PROCEDURE
INSTEAD OF GETTING OFF THE FUCKING COUCH.
I don't dislike fat people. But I despise lazy people.
Ruzinthra the Ruki
<yttr...@gmail.com> choked out these words:
>It fucking revolts me that a person could possibly ever be in the state
>of mind where they could chose a POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING PROCEDURE
>INSTEAD OF GETTING OFF THE FUCKING COUCH.
driving a car is protentially life threatening. so is crossing
the street, swimming in the ocean, and oh, breathing.
david
Curt James
re weight loss surgery
> Actually, I lost quite a bit of
> weight when I was younger
Define quite a bit of weight, please.
> (not 186lbs though).
Hnh. NOT 186 pounds. That has such an /I don't know what the hell I'm
talking about/ ring to it.
NOT 186 pounds. NOT 186 pounds. NOT 186 pounds. NOT 186 pounds. NOT 186
pounds. NOT 186 pounds. NOT 186 pounds. NOT 186 pou...
Your limited frame of reference restricts your ability to speak with
any amount of authority on this subject. But, hey, opinions are cool.
Even if they're incredibly wrong.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> A sedentary lifestyle IS THAT PERSON'S FAULT.
Spin your wheels some more. Or are you not saying that a sedentary
lifestyle is the only factor in someone being obese?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=causes+of+obesity&btnG=Google+Search
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
yttr...@gmail.com
where I stayed for a number of years.
I'm sorry curt, how much weight did you say you lost? Is there a
reason you feel that you can speak for fat people?
yttr...@gmail.com
>perhaps i've overestimated you all these years?
Ah, the stabby, bitchass zen compliment of non-compliment.
I always liked you and stuff, but ive never thought ONCE in all these
years that FPS was a good idea. I (and many others) simply didnt say
anything, because there was always the whole "making other people feel
bad" problem.
Not that that isnt a problem, but I'm in a more brutal mood these days.
i'll teach you to turn away.
ygc> anything, because there was always the whole "making other people feel
ygc> bad" problem.
i... don't understand?
lish "& help's not short when you're digging
cr...@got.net your grave. i'll help you dig it." -mm
Kate A. Pohjola
>>yttrstein, i thought you were a bit more clueful and understanding.
>>perhaps i've overestimated you all these years?
>
> Ah, the stabby, bitchass zen compliment of non-compliment.
that wasn't a compliment/non-compliment. it was more of a vocalization
of the sad realization that you're not the person i thought you were.
but then over the many years i've known you/jim/cora/yttrx/... you've
never been easy to nail down, and something tells me that'll never
change. that's life. (:
> I always liked you and stuff, but ive never thought ONCE in all these
> years that FPS was a good idea. I (and many others) simply didnt say
> anything, because there was always the whole "making other people feel
> bad" problem.
i don't recall ever asking you (or those phantom others) if you thought
my choice to pursue WLS was a good idea. i felt it was the right
decision for my situation; my family, my doctor and my surgeon agreed,
and after much soul searching and over two years of research, i moved
forward and saw things through to the end.
a few close friends did share their concerns with me - fears of dying,
fears of "shitting caramel" [nod to lish] and other potential
complications. some folks disagreed with me/my choices, but they still
supported, and continue to support, me. if you were too worried about
"hurting my feelings" or "making other people feel bad," or some such
bullshit, that's your issue, not mine.
> Not that that isnt a problem, but I'm in a more brutal mood these days.
you have fun with that, sweetheart.
Corine
i felt it was the right
> decision for my situation; my family, my doctor and my surgeon agreed,
> and after much soul searching and over two years of research, i moved
> forward and saw things through to the end.
*Kate, if you done what you felt was good for you then never second
guess yourself. More power to you for taking life changing decisions in
spite of fears.
I'm happy you took care of you (future) health.
Don't let anybody interfere: it's your life and body sweetie :)
Much love,
Corine
Curt James
Your piddly /about/ 79 pounds lost is less
than 45 percent of 186 pounds lost. So I
still maintain that your position re surgery
for the purpose of losing weight is flimsy
at best.
> where I stayed for a number of years.
I didn't ask.
> I'm sorry
No doubt!
> curt, how much weight did you say
> you lost?
I haven't lost. I've never been fat. The most I've ever weighed was 180
pounds at a height of 6'1". And, yeah, that was the result of years of
weight training and force-feeding. Any of that sound familiar?
Do you read my posts?
| as for hanging out around here
| for any length of time, curt will
| have to be fucking gone first
Hnh.
I'm still here. You're still here. Maybe I misunderstood you. I guess
that's it.
> Is there a reason you feel that you
> can speak for fat people?
I'm not speaking for fat people. I'm speaking *against* blanket
statements. Your slogan, Fat Always Equals Slow, is incorrect.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Judith Cookson
> yttr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>Actually my heaviest was about 265lbs.
>>From there I dropped to 186,
>
> Your piddly /about/ 79 pounds lost is less
> than 45 percent of 186 pounds lost. So I
> still maintain that your position re surgery
> for the purpose of losing weight is flimsy
> at best.
what's your reasoning?
//jew
Curt James
Tell me, are you being rhetorical? Because I'm surprised that you would
expect me to use reason to derive any conclusion. Of course I don't
expect you to be capable of such a thing either, so there's that.
Still, I'll go with inductive:
yitterstein's position has been fallacious.
Therefore, yitterstein's position will continue to be fallacious.
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i'll teach you to turn away.
KAP> a few close friends did share their concerns with me - fears of dying,
KAP> fears of "shitting caramel" [nod to lish] and other potential
poor kevin. he got skinny eating ben & jerry's for dinner three
nights a week.
lish "well, i may be a lot of things
cr...@got.net but i won't be ignored." -mm
yttr...@gmail.com
didnt ask me what I thought, so I never told you what I thought. Now I
speak my mind about someone who isnt YOU, and suddenly theres a problem
because you made a similar decision.
And anyway, why do you care what I think in the first place?
I supported your whole thing in my own way---by being silent about it.
Thats as much as anyone was and will get out of me when I think what
theyre doing is incredibly dangerous, unnecessary and disappointing.
yttr...@gmail.com
Curt James
SNIP
> I supported youSNIP---by being silent SNIP
> Thats as much as anyone was and will get
> out of me when I think what theyre doing
Funny, when I see someone doing something I believe to be incredibly
dangerous then they're likely to actually HEAR ABOUT IT FROM ME! (And
not AFTER the fact.)
We all make choices.
--
Curt
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Curt James
> You know that feeling you get
SNIP
> If you're interested in the details about
> the procedure I'm having, check out
http://really-really.blogspot.com/
Well?
--
Curt
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Curt James
There, there, little bo, er, gir, er, boy. Whatever. I shall SAVE YOU!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/Curt/super.jpg
Don't eat paste, m'kay?
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
Superman is one person who could save you, but perhaps Haiku Man is the
guy for the job!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/iam/haiku-man.jpg
Yitterstein, STOP THAT!
Please don't run with those scissors!
And DON'T eat the paste.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
>Your piddly /about/ 79 pounds lost is less
> than 45 percent of 186 pounds lost.
I guess it's somehow apropos to the thread that someone who has never
lost 45 pounds* is calling such a weight loss "piddly."
~c.
* (/about/ 45 percent of 79 pounds)
Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>>Curt James wrote:
>>>
>>>Your piddly /about/ 79 pounds lost is less
>>>than 45 percent of 186 pounds lost. So I
>>>still maintain that your position re surgery
>>>for the purpose of losing weight is flimsy
>>>at best.
>>
>>what's your reasoning?
>
> Tell me, are you being rhetorical?
no.
> Because I'm surprised that you would
> expect me to use reason to derive any conclusion.
why?
> Of course I don't
> expect you to be capable of such a thing either, so there's that.
ad hominem attacks aren't very endearing.
> Still, I'll go with inductive:
>
> yitterstein's position has been fallacious.
> Therefore, yitterstein's position will continue to be fallacious.
i'm not talking about fat = slow, here. i really have nothing to say about
that. instead, i'm wondering why you think that a 79lb weight loss does not
entitle someone to speak about the experience of losing/needing to lose 186lbs.
//jew
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
> > Tell me, are you being rhetorical?
>
> no.
I was.
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Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>
>>Curt James wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
>>>Tell me, are you being rhetorical?
>>
>>no.
>
>
> I was.
Why don't you just answer the question? Be honest. No big deal. Yeah,
answer it! Answer the question, Claire^H^H^H^H^H^HCurt! Talk to us! Come
on, answer the question! It's easy; it's only one question...
Curt James
> On 27 Jul 2005 15:02:45 -0700,
> "Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Your piddly /about/ 79 pounds lost
> > is less than 45 percent of 186
> > pounds lost.
Note: 186 X .45 = 83.7
> I guess it's somehow apropos to the
> thread that someone who has never
> lost 45 pounds*
So far, so good. I've never lost 45 pounds.
> is calling such a weight loss "piddly."
Seventy-nine is piddly compared to 186, imo. In fact, 79 pounds
(yitterstein's stated loss, okay, /about/ loss) is only 43 percent of
the 186-pound loss mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Again, yes,
there was an about tossed in, so I did as well.
> ~c.
>
> * (/about/ 45 percent of 79 pounds)
Forty-five percent of 79 pounds?
Where'd you come up with 45% of 79 lbs.? Regardless of where you
derived that cute asterisk, 45% of 79 is 35.55, so /about/ would be...
*NOT* 45 lbs.
And how much weight have YOU lost?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/isp.jpg
Wait, I have no interest in what you have to say. Still, you really
should have introduced yourself. Okay, I'm actually very glad you
didn't.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> Jess Bragg wrote:
> > You know that feeling you get
> SNIP
> > If you're interested in the details about
> > the procedure I'm having, check out
>
> http://really-really.blogspot.com/
>
> Well?
WELL?!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Judith Cookson
>
> Seventy-nine is piddly compared to 186, imo. In fact, 79 pounds
> (yitterstein's stated loss, okay, /about/ loss) is only 43 percent of
> the 186-pound loss mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Again, yes,
> there was an about tossed in, so I did as well.
I would say that someone who has lost 79 lbs via diet & exercise -- and
kept it off -- is qualified to speak on the subject on "how to lose a
significant amount of weight," where "signifcant amount of weight" = 186lbs.
You appear to disagree with what I consider an entirely reasonable
position. I'm wondering why, and you won't tell me. Your reticence is
intriguing.
> And how much weight have YOU lost?
*snip picture link of miss c*
classy.
//jew
intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
>And how much weight have YOU lost?
I've lost 57 pounds of fat. Or 43" of fat from my body. I haven't
"lost weight" in about five months because as I shed fat, I'm
replacing it with muscle. I was about a size 20 and now I'm a size
10. I've done it all through dietary changes and exercise including
cardio workouts and weight training. I can bench press my own body
weight.
>
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/isp.jpg
How nice of you to have taken a photo of me and post it to the
internet without asking. I've lost even more weight since then,
when I was a size 14/16.
http://pics.livejournal.com/snittykitty/gallery/00002gp4
>Wait, I have no interest in what you have to say.
Well then I won't be expecting a reply and I'll just finish writing
this up for anyone else who may be interested in my reply.
>Still, you really
>should have introduced yourself.
I only introduce myself to people I'm interested in meeting.
>Okay, I'm actually very glad you
>didn't.
Why? You introduced yourself to me anyway.
~christyn.
Curt James
> I would say that someone who has lost
> 79 lbs via diet & exercise -- and kept
> it off -- is
Have they kept it off? It went like this: "where I stayed for a number
of years." That sounds awfully past tense, doesn't it?
And, perhaps, you should be addressing that person instead of me. How
does that sound? Or have you lost all the weight you had been so
concerned about? I mean, if I recall correctly, you cried foul, banned
me from your IAM page, and removed me from your LJ friends list soon
after I made a comment that went something like, well, how did it go?
I'm sure it's burned in your memory much more than it is in mine. You
made a rather big stink about what was intended as encouragement.
> qualified to speak on the subject on
> "how to lose a significant amount of
> weight," where "signifcant
What's significant is your unwillingness to let that whole drama go.
> amount of weight" = 186lbs.
YAY!
> You appear to disagree with what I
> consider an entirely reasonable
> position. I'm wondering why, and
> you won't tell me. Your reticence is
> intriguing.
Well, if you define reticence as not volunteering anything more than
necessary then, yeah, I'm displaying all due reticence.
> *snip picture link of miss c*
*reinsert picture link of miss c*
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/isp.jpg
> classy.
I thought so.
And there's certainly precedent for that sort of thing here. The photo
came totally by chance, but was cropped accordingly.
--
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bLUEnOTE
says...
> Why don't you just answer the question? Be honest. No big deal. Yeah,
> answer it! Answer the question, Claire^H^H^H^H^H^HCurt! Talk to us! Come
> on, answer the question! It's easy; it's only one question...
cause he's a dickhead?
Curt James
>
> >And how much weight have YOU lost?
>
> I've lost 57 pounds of fat.
In unrelated news: My favorite Arnold Schwarzenegger quote is...
"I'll be back!"
> > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/isp.jpg
> http://pics.livejournal.com/snittykitty/gallery/00002gp4
Funny, I missed the full body shots.
> You introduced yourself to me anyway.
Really? I don't recall that happening. Still, if you say so.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> snitty wrote:
You've been a pill, so forgive me for replying in kind. Still, you
mentioned benching your bodyweight (snipped elsewhere in this thread).
Impressive.
> > I've lost 57 pounds of fat.
Yes, good job. And for anyone else interested in weight training to
assist in weight (fat) loss:
http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
>
>Funny, I missed the full body shots.
No, you didn't. As I didn't put that gallery together to show weight
loss anywhere but in my face. I've posted full body shots and
documented my weight loss on my IAM page.
Still, even pictures can be taken in more flattering light, in figure
enhancing outfits and to minimize flaws. A more accurate opinion of my
size change is evident by those who've seen me in person. They say
I've lost weight and look better and they're not the sort of people
would bother to lie about it for the sake of my ego.
>Really? I don't recall that happening. Still, if you say so.
But wait- there's more! After the introduction and handshaking and
almost hugging, you asked to take my photo. I said "no" and sneered.
And you took the photo anyway. And hey, look at that. In the photo
you linked to, I happen to be looking your direction as if I just
smelled something bad.
I wish I had as little memory of it as you do.
Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>
>>I would say that someone who has lost
>>79 lbs via diet & exercise -- and kept
>>it off -- is
>
> Have they kept it off? It went like this: "where I stayed for a number
> of years." That sounds awfully past tense, doesn't it?
yes, it does.
insider information tells me that subsequent weight gain of the subject
in question was not due to any intellectual misunderstanding of how to
healthily lose weight & keep it off, nor due to any lack of empathy with
the psychological/emotional issues surrounding being obese.
> And, perhaps, you should be addressing that person instead of me. How
i can talk to either yttrx or kate (not sure who you're talking about
here) any time i like. what should i be addresing him/her about?
> does that sound? Or have you lost all the weight you had been so
> concerned about?
nope.
> I mean, if I recall correctly, you cried foul, banned
> me from your IAM page, and removed me from your LJ friends list soon
> after I made a comment that went something like, well, how did it go?
> I'm sure it's burned in your memory much more than it is in mine. You
> made a rather big stink about what was intended as encouragement.
your intent and your execution were not... complementary; your
recollection of transpired events is somewhat faulty.
>>qualified to speak on the subject on
>>"how to lose a significant amount of
>>weight," where "signifcant
>
> What's significant is your unwillingness to let that whole drama go.
you're the one who just brought up "that whole drama," if by "drama" you
mean our rancorous falling-out. i really am loathe to discuss it beyond
the most cursory remarks (see above).
>>You appear to disagree with what I
>>consider an entirely reasonable
>>position. I'm wondering why, and
>>you won't tell me. Your reticence is
>>intriguing.
>
> Well, if you define reticence as not volunteering anything more than
> necessary then, yeah, I'm displaying all due reticence.
you're right; it isn't NECESSARY that you answer my question. but it's
interesting that usually you are at no loss for words and now you are
failing to address a simple, direct query.
> And there's certainly precedent for that sort of thing here. The photo
> came totally by chance, but was cropped accordingly.
precedence does not obviate rudeness or tackiness.
Curt James
> On 28 Jul 2005 19:02:15 -0700,
> "Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >Funny, I missed the full body shots.
>
> No, you didn't.
You're right, of course. I *didn't*. HAR!
> They say I've lost weight and look better
> and they're not the sort of people would
> bother to lie about it for the sake of
> my ego.
Oooooh, of course not.
> After the introduction and handshaking and
> almost hugging, you asked to take my photo.
> I said "no" and sneered.
Speak up next time. I'm old and my hearing is selective, er, poor.
Hnh. And what is /almost hugging/? Is that the same as when Jess said
she slapped or hit me? Bullshit, fiction, a nice story?
> And you took the photo anyway. And hey,
> look at that. In the photo you linked to,
This one?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/isp.jpg
> I wish I had as little memory of it as you do.
I'm lucky like that.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> snitty wrote:
> > After the introduction and handshaking and
> > almost hugging, you asked to take my photo.
> > I said "no" and sneered. And you took the
Uh huh. Okay. Right. THAT happened. (But, yeah, I don't think so. See
below.)
> > photo anyway. And hey, look at that. In
> > the photo you linked to,
>
> This one?
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/isp.jpg
How about the original (and uncropped) pic?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/ispplus.jpg
Lookit DEM smiles! So maybe what you smelled (snipped) was your own
stanky /attaTOOD/!
Hth!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
>> They say I've lost weight and look better
>> and they're not the sort of people would
>> bother to lie about it for the sake of
>> my ego.
>
>Oooooh, of course not.
You can chose to believe me or not. They can choose to post to support
what they've seen, or not. Either way, I don't mind. Your opinion of
me or my weight neither motivates or discourages my continued efforts
at improving myself and I've already heard their opinions.
>Hnh. And what is /almost hugging/? Is that the same as when Jess said
>she slapped or hit me? Bullshit, fiction, a nice story?
It's called "what really happened" as witnessed by several other
people. Your hand extended to shake and then a lean in by you for a
hug of some sort. I don't hug anyone I'm not very familiar with so I
won't act like my pulling away was anything other than standard
reaction.
You didn't even remember introducing yourself to me. Given that, why
would anything afterwards be remembered either?
intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
>
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/ispplus.jpg
>
>Lookit DEM smiles! So maybe what you smelled (snipped) was your own
>stanky /attaTOOD/!
You think that unedited photo proves I was happy with your taking my
photo? If anything it shows I clearly didn't want to be in the photo.
I mean, I'm standing next to my husband and a dear friend and I'm
sneering in your direction? But ok. Believe whatever you need to. You
can't know what I was thinking and apparently you'd rather attribute
my facial expression to my attitude than the idea I just simply might
not like you or be around you.
You've gone from having no recollection of meeting me (or introducing
yourself to me) to having asked to take my photo and even supplied
the proof of the photo. How, pray tell, did you get to take a photo
with 2/3 of us smiling and looking at you without at least speaking to
us first?
Curt James
> i can talk to either yttrx or kate
> (not sure who you're talking about
> here) any time i like. what should
> i be addresing him/her about?
You should be addressing them about whatever you'd like, of course, but
in the context of this thread and your posts then it would seem that
weight loss is your main interest or is it something else?
> your intent and your execution were
> not... complementary; your recollection
> of transpired events is somewhat faulty.
Somewhat? Cool.
> you're the one who just brought up "that
> whole drama," if by "drama" you mean our
> rancorous falling-out.
Rancorous? I gave you a lift to Detroit, yes, but we've never been more
than acquaintances, so rancorous - to my way of thinking - is
exagerration or overwrought. Probably both. Plus falling-out would
indicate some type of relationship. Other than sharing a ride and
posting to the same newsgroup, there is no and has been no
relationship.
> i really am loathe
Loathe? lol
Like I said, overwrought.
> you're right; it isn't NECESSARY that
> you answer my question. but it's
> interesting that usually you are at
> no loss for words and now you are
> failing to address a simple, direct query.
And what was that query? Something about yitterstein's qualification
for talking smack about weight loss surgery, wasn't it? Because he's
never been *there* and, therefore, would do well to save his breath. Is
that less than reticent (if all too repetitive) enough for you?
I'm the RAB bookends. I've been called reticent as well as a
blabbermouth. I guess I win again. Most diverse.
> precedence does not obviate rudeness or tackiness.
Does it excuse name-calling? Because I'm curious about how that fits in
your philosophy overall. Uh, yeah, rhetorical as ever.
Are we through here? If not, perhaps I'll catch up with you tomorrow.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Judith Cookson
> Are we through here?
I'm satisfied.
//jew
Curt James
re http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/ispplus.jpg
> You think that unedited photo proves I
> was happy with your taking my photo?
Duuuuh. No.
> I'm standing next to my husband and a
> dear friend and I'm sneering in your
> direction?
It was a random picture. Get real. You've stated that I asked to take
your picture and you said no. Is that a correct restatement of what you
say happened? Yes. Reread your posts. So, if - as you have written - I
approach, ask to take your picture, you say *no*... are you following
me so far? Here it comes:
*What would your husband and a dear friend have done?*
Take your time. I'll wait.
OF COURSE! OH, THEY'LL JUST SMILE THEIR EFFING ASSES OFF AND POSE FOR A
PICTURE!
> You can't know what I was thinking
Obviously, there's NO telling.
> and apparently you'd rather attribute
> my facial expression to my attitude
> than the idea I just simply might not
> like you or be around you.
Okay. I'm cool with that, too. I posted, you yanked my chain, here we
are. I'm happy with the way things are going. You?
> You've gone from having no recollection
> of meeting me (or introducing yourself
> to me) to having asked to take my photo
> and even supplied the proof of the photo.
Okay, hold up. Where'd you get that idea? Same place you found
forty-five percent of 79 pounds (elsewhere in this thread)? Because it
wasn't from me.
> How, pray tell, did you get to take
> a photo with 2/3 of us smiling and
> looking at you without at least speaking
> to us first?
What? I guess you've never heard of people snapping photos at BBQs. I
must have missed the part where everyone handed out model release
forms. I'm incredibly and undeniably shy, regardless of what some may
think. Typically, I offer "Is it okay?" while motioning with the
camera. I don't get it that you said no and yet your hubby and dear
friend would smile.
It was a random shot.
Or I guess they missed your plea or demand, too. *OR* they're not the
Sean Penn types. Or, yeah, hey, it could've transpired as you remember.
Me? I'd've given some asshole the finger and turned my back if I wasn't
interested in getting my picture taken.
We all make choices. Haven't I said that already?
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Ruzinthra the Ruki
<snitty...@exciteME.com> choked out these words:
<crap>
>I've lost 57 pounds of fat. Or 43" of fat from my body. I haven't
>"lost weight" in about five months because as I shed fat, I'm
>replacing it with muscle. I was about a size 20 and now I'm a size
>10. I've done it all through dietary changes and exercise including
>cardio workouts and weight training. I can bench press my own body
>weight.
THAT is amazing! will you be my trainer? i have no motivation.
>>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/isp.jpg
>
>How nice of you to have taken a photo of me and post it to the
>internet without asking.
that wasn't nice at all, IMO.
>http://pics.livejournal.com/snittykitty/gallery/00002gp4
your husband's really cute. and i say that in a completely
non-sexual, uninterested kinda way. y'all look very happy
together. (i'm assuming the man in the picture is your husband.)
>Well then I won't be expecting a reply and I'll just finish writing
>this up for anyone else who may be interested in my reply.
i keep getting half the conversation. i try to filter as much
noise as possible.
>I only introduce myself to people I'm interested in meeting.
you going to AZ? i'm hoping to. maybe we could meet?
david
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intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
>OF COURSE! OH, THEY'LL JUST SMILE THEIR EFFING ASSES OFF AND POSE FOR A
>PICTURE!
>
Unless they had no idea who you were and thought you were just Random
Photo Taking Guy.
> I don't get it that you said no and yet your hubby and dear
>friend would smile.
Perhaps "is it ok?" resulted in them smiling because they didn't care
if anyone took their photo and had no idea who you were. It's not
like five minutes transpired between your asking to take the picture
and the flash of the camera; perhaps if there'd been time for me to
tell them anything about you in particular they'd have chosen to
answer "no" as well. I don't know. Don't care.
So far nothing you've said contradicts what I said. Which was "you
asked. I said 'no' and you took the photo anyway." I'm not a loud
person and it's possible you didn't hear me. Or, as you mentioned
previously, you had selective hearing.
>I'd've given some asshole the finger and turned my back if I wasn't
>interested in getting my picture taken.
I never said you were rude in person. You were very nice and polite
and hand shaking and almost huggy. You were even smiling. Maybe
you're right; if I'd given you the finger when you introduced yourself
instead of being polite, perhaps you wouldn't have come around asking
for that "random" shot later on.
intergalactic snitty princess
<ruzi...@ruki.com> wrote:
>THAT is amazing! will you be my trainer? i have no motivation.
I can't motivate any one else. Hell, I spent two years or so
motivating myself. Or rather, being unmotivated. Then, one day I
caught my reflection in a store mirror while walking down the street
and freaked out.
I haven't used a trainer at all. I've done it all through my own
dietary research and experiments and using free weights. I've even
purchased equipment so I can work out at home. The only motivation I
have is not wanting to be or look fat. If you'd like to discuss it
further, send me an email or shoot me a message via IAM. I'll gladly
discuss it with you.
>your husband's really cute. and i say that in a completely
>non-sexual, uninterested kinda way. y'all look very happy
>together. (i'm assuming the man in the picture is your husband.)
Thanks.
>you going to AZ? i'm hoping to. maybe we could meet?
Nope, I'm not going to AZ. That's not to say I won't take a trip to
your neck of the woods one day (or you'd end up in DC for some reason)
and we could meet up. But don't expect a hug.
~christy.
Ruzinthra the Ruki
<snitty...@exciteME.com> choked out these words:
>So far nothing you've said contradicts what I said. Which was "you
>asked. I said 'no' and you took the photo anyway." I'm not a loud
>person and it's possible you didn't hear me. Or, as you mentioned
>previously, you had selective hearing.
it's also possible that he's just an asshole, heard you just
fine, but doesn't respect anyones privacy.
david
Ruzinthra the Ruki
<snitty...@exciteME.com> choked out these words:
>But don't expect a hug.
i try not to have expectations of other people. they invariably
don't do what i want them to do, and having expectations only
guarantees that i'll be pissed off when i don't get my way.
live and let live and all that.
david
i'll teach you to turn away.
isp> enhancing outfits and to minimize flaws. A more accurate opinion of my
isp> size change is evident by those who've seen me in person. They say
isp> I've lost weight and look better and they're not the sort of people
isp> would bother to lie about it for the sake of my ego.
the sake of your what? you mean... OTHER people have egos too?!
i thought you looked Pretty Damned Good last year. & i'm not only
the sort of people who wouldn't lie about it, my likeliness to be tactless
about it is in direct proportion with how likely my opinion is to damage
you. :D
lish "you seem to be on a different
cr...@got.net level of understanding." -lm
40.1% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
i'll teach you to turn away.
isp> caught my reflection in a store mirror while walking down the street
isp> and freaked out.
don't forget the role i played in all of this.
"instigator". :D
lish "& it takes half as much
cr...@got.net as it used to for me." -mm
Kate A. Pohjola
> See kate, this is exactly why I left the motherfucking midwest.
what does your leaving the midwest have to do with anything?
> You
> didnt ask me what I thought, so I never told you what I thought. Now I
> speak my mind about someone who isnt YOU, and suddenly theres a problem
> because you made a similar decision.
there's a problem? the only reason i spoke up was your ignorant
comment, way back in the beginning of this thread... "I hope that you
turn out to be the *one* person who has this surgery and really does end
up changing their lifestyle as a result." were you trying to bait Jess?
myself? Rebekah? i am one person whose life and lifestyle has been
changed in many positive ways by having undergone bariatric surgery.
> And anyway, why do you care what I think in the first place?
in the grand scheme of things, i don't care one whit what you think. i
value the educated opinions of many people, but overall, when it all
comes down to what i want for me, it only matters what *i* think.
> I supported your whole thing in my own way---by being silent about it.
> Thats as much as anyone was and will get out of me when I think what
> theyre doing is incredibly dangerous, unnecessary and disappointing.
hand.staple.forehead. jim/pook/pookie/pookala/kay/
abbie/cora/yttrx/jamie/ is disappointed in me. what ever shall i do?
katester
yttr...@gmail.com
Anyhow, enjoy the taco bell you keep getting, despite your inability
(but not unwillingness) to eat in the amounts you used to. Yay
surgery.
You didnt change your lifestyle, you're simply biologically incapable
now of eating as much as you used to.
You can keep your backhanded bullshit and midwestern apathetic passive
aggression. Christ, its good to be around people who think.
yttr...@gmail.com
or eat a salad or anything though, for god's sake.
yttr...@gmail.com
Curt James wrote:
> Have they kept it off? It went like this: "where I stayed for a number
> of years." That sounds awfully past tense, doesn't it?
>
That's because when I stopped wrestling for the university of
pennsylvania
because I wanted more time to pursue things I found much more
intersesting,
I went from 186 to about 200lbs. Right now I fluctuate between 205 and
215, depending on the time of year.
> And, perhaps, you should be addressing that person instead of me. How
> does that sound? Or have you lost all the weight you had been so
> concerned about? I mean, if I recall correctly, you cried foul, banned
> me from your IAM page, and removed me from your LJ friends list soon
> after I made a comment that went something like, well, how did it go?
> I'm sure it's burned in your memory much more than it is in mine. You
> made a rather big stink about what was intended as encouragement.
Nice. Now pretty much everybody (with the possible exception of
katester,
because well, you're on her side) completely despises you. You did it!
BTW, next time leer at girls and offer them creepy rides on your
infantile
harley and they all kind of pretend you didnt say anything, realize
that its
because YOU CREEP THEM ALL OUT COMPLETELY AND THEY DONT LIKE YOU.
Curt James
> I stopped wrestling for the university
> of pennsylvania because I wanted more
> time to pursue things I found much more
> intersesting,
Cool.
> I went from 186 to about 200lbs. Right
> now I fluctuate between 205 and 215,
> depending on the time of year.
re opinion based on a specific segment of the population
> Nice.
Sweet!
> Now pretty much everybody
Look who can be trained! That's a big jump away from The Blanket
Statement™. Pretty much. Good for you, yitterstein. This is a display
of growth I hadn't expected. You're apparently coming around to my way
of thinking. Congratulations.
> (with the possible exception of
> katester, because well, you're on her
> side) completely despises you. You did it!
It's always been a goal of mine. And whether I'm on Kate's side is not
the point. I disagreed and disapproved of your reply to Jessica Bragg's
post. Based on that reply, it seems that you're expecting a less than
successful result for her.
> BTW, next time leer at girls and offer
> them creepy rides on your infantile
> harley and they all kind of pretend
> you didnt say anything, realize that its
> because YOU CREEP THEM ALL OUT COMPLETELY
> AND THEY DONT LIKE YOU.
I'll keep that in mind.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
re husband and dear friend smiling
See:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/ispplus.jpg
> Unless they had no idea who you were
> and thought you were just Random Photo
> Taking Guy.
I *am* Random Photo Taking Guy. I think I've seen your friend at other
BBQs. I don't remember ever seeing your husband on IAM or at an event.
Although my memory is anything but razor-sharp, I /thought/ I recalled
taking the picture and THEN finding out it was you.
> Perhaps "is it ok?" resulted in them smiling
> because they didn't care if anyone took
> their photo and had no idea who you were.
Yes, no, maybe so.
> It's not like five minutes transpired
> between your asking to take the picture
> and the flash of the camera; perhaps if
> there'd been time for me to tell them
> anything about you in particular they'd
> have chosen to answer "no" as well.
> I don't know. Don't care.
Okay.
> So far nothing you've said contradicts
> what I said. Which was "you asked. I said
> 'no' and you took the photo anyway."
Well, this isn't necessarily a contradiction, but more a suggestion:
Ever hear of no means no? Get a spine and some lungs next time. "HEY, I
SAID DON'T TAKE MY PICTURE!" Most digital cameras have delete option,
don't they?
> I'm not a loud person and it's possible
> you didn't hear me. Or, as you mentioned
> previously, you had selective hearing.
Selective hearing was in jest. If I had heard you then I'm certain that
I would NOT have taken your picture. I mean, why? You were just another
girl with multi-colored Betty bangs and those glasses. Always a good
look, but nothing I couldn't have done without.
> I never said you were rude in person.
> You were very nice and polite and
> hand shaking and almost huggy. You
> were even smiling.
Well, you've been more friendly and sociable in emails. And haven't you
IMed me at least once regarding some sort of attaboy? Hmmm. I should
look.
No matter. I'm typically not a rude person. I am nice. I am polite. I'm
a two-hands shaker and, yes, huggy. (And so modest!) So, again, I'll
take your word for all that, but *my* perhaps faulty recollection is
that:
I took the random shot, later found out who you were wrt RAB and THEN
asked to take an additional shot. That makes more sense to me and is
more fitting with my non-confrontational personality.
> Maybe you're right;
Time out. I think I'm right so far as the sequence of events is
concerned, however my memory is truly not Olympics-level caliber and so
let's just go with... "I heard you. You said no. I thought 'fuck it'
and took the picture anyway." Does that work for you?
> if I'd given you the finger when
> you introduced yourself instead
> of being polite, perhaps you wouldn't
...have thought you were fake upon finding out that you *weren't*
interested in saying hello? Oh, wait, I keep forgetting I'm a jerk who
took your picture against your wishes. My bad.
> have come around asking for that
> "random" shot later on.
HOLD UP! So which is it? I took the so-called deliberate shot (after
I'd asked and been refused) and THEN came around and asked to take
ANOTHER picture later on? Looks like I don't have to offer anything
that contradicts what you've said. You're contradicting yourself.
Naaaaaah. You're right.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
re yours truly AGAIN
> it's also possible that he's just
> an asshole, heard you just fine,
> but doesn't respect anyones privacy.
>
> david
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/msg/1cb2d1cc2d22156e?hl=en&
I love that post.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> intergalactic snitSNIPchoked out these words:
>
> <crap>
Someone pass the following to David: "Nice attribution! You snipping
Snitty's crap or did you mean someone else? D'OH!"
And re posting
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/isp.jpg
> that wasn't nice at all, IMO.
It wasn't, eh? So he *REPOSTS* the URL in his reply. David Gartner
Coyote... Suuuuper Geeenius.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Jess Bragg
Mara wrote:
> I will be sending many lovinghealingprotecting vibes your way, Jess.
> Please post the instant you are up to it so that we know you're all
> right.
Mara, et al,
I'm home and doing well. I have diligently been following my doctors',
nurse's, PTs', OT's, and nutritionist's directions. I have been told by
several of the aforementioned professionals that if I keep up this
level of commitment, I'll have the best case scenario results.
I appreciate the words of encouragement and the thoughts and prayers.
Those, my husband's zealous helpfulness, and all the flowers I got
helped brighten what parts of the day I spent conscious.
I still have trouble wrapping my mind around the fact that it's all
happening. Even with all of my research and preparation, it continues
to be a lot to wrap my mind around.
Jess
intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
>.have thought you were fake upon finding out that you *weren't*
>interested in saying hello?
I'm not sure what you're saying here, but if you're asking "do I think
I was fake because, upon meeting you, I didn't say anything at all
which could be construed as rude, mean spirited, bitchy, etc. and
didn't flick you off even though I had no desire to meet you or speak
with you?" my answer is no.
I encounter people I'd rather not deal with every day. I don't have
the time or desire to yell at them all and even if I did, it's poor
social etiquette. There have been occasions where I've thrown social
etiquette out the window to deal with the assholes when I felt doing
so would better the situation. I can't possibly see how lashing out
at you would have done anything except add some unneeded drama.
And if you're at the event again this year, don't be surprised that
I'll again choose to avoid the drama.
Mara
week.
I will continue to send ~~supportiverahrah~~ vibes to you.
:)
Mara
Curt James
| if I'd given you the finger when you
| introduced yourself instead of being
| polite, perhaps you wouldn't
^^^^^^^^^^
SNIP
/snitty quote
Funny, you snipped that part where you said you were being polite. Or,
hey, that's what I take from you saying "instead of being polite" but I
guess I'm wrong about that, too. ;-)
> > ...have thought you were fake upon
> > finding out that you *weren't*
> > interested in saying hello?
>
> I'm not sure what you're saying here,
Okay, yitterstein has forgotten how to post properly and now you can no
longer read?! Or, rather, comprehend what you're reading. IT'S AN
EPIDEMIC!
> but if you're asking
Asking? Let me review my post. Be right back...
Okay, I'm back. You're still here! How patient of you.
Here are the questions from the post you were replying to or, yeah, if
you prefer, *to which you were replying.*
1) Ever hear of no means no?
re getting a spine and some lungs and stating: "HEY, I SAID DON'T TAKE
MY PICTURE!"
2) Most digital cameras have delete option, don't they?
Okay, that one's rhetorical.
3) I mean, why?
re If I had heard you (reject my alleged photo request) then I'm
certain that I would NOT have taken your picture. You were just another
girl with multi-colored Betty bangs and those glasses. Always a good
look, but nothing I couldn't have done without.
4) Haven't you IMed me at least once regarding some sort of attaboy?
And, yeah, I should look for that IM.
5) Does that work for you?
re My memory is truly not Olympics-level caliber and so let's just go
with... "I heard you. You said no. I thought 'fuck it' and took the
picture anyway."
[Here comes the one that apparently gave you trouble. You had to
combine your sentence and mine, but it shouldn't've been THAT difficult
to accomplish. Seems it was, though, but I'm happy to help you decipher
my scribbling.]
Here is what you had written:
|| if I'd given you the finger when you introduced
|| yourself instead of being polite, perhaps you wouldn't
Here's what I tacked on:
| ...have thought you were fake upon finding out
| that you *weren't* interested in saying hello?
Now, please stay with me. It seems like you're saying you were polite.
See those words you typed? See 'em? "Instead of being polite," is what
I'm reading and that says to me that you believed (when you wrote your
response) that you had been polite. Is that too much of a stretch for
you?
So what I'm asking is something like this:
6) Do you think that if you had given me the finger instead of being
polite that *I* would have seen YOU as straightforward and genuine?
Note: I knocked that double negative - *wouldn't have thought you were
fake* - out of the picture just to make things easier for both of us.
Hmm. IS that a double negative? Still, I think it's clearer as
rewritten above.
[I think you snipped this next bit as well. It's cool. I'm all about
the copy/paste action.]
You wrote re yours truly:
|| have come around asking for that "random"
|| shot later on.
7a) So which is it? 7b) I took a photograph of you (after I'd asked and
been refused) and THEN came around and asked to take ANOTHER picture
later on?
Let me rephrase 7b without changing the question's intent: Did I ask to
take a random picture before or after I'd initially asked to take a
picture of you and been refused?
Because I only have that one picture of you.
8) Are you contradicting yourself?
> "do I think I was fake because, upon
> meeting you, I didn't say anything
> at all
Newp. Didn't ask anything about you not talking. Don't remember you
saying a word, in fact.
> which could be construed as rude, mean
> spirited, bitchy, etc.
Or how about quiet? Could /not saying anything at all/ be construed as
peacefully serene and quiet? You seem awfully negative there, snit.
> and didn't flick you off even though
> I had no desire to meet you or speak
> with you?"
Nah, that wasn't my question. See above. Oh, heck, let's review: I
wanted to know if you think that I would have seen you as being direct
and/or genuine if you'd just given me the finger instead of being
polite. I wasn't asking you for your perception of yourself, but *my*
perception of you based on an imaginary scenario. Answering that, I
suspect, would take some guesswork, but it seems like a pop fly
situation.
Hey, let's take another time out.
...
Are you still reading? That's hilarious. I would've stopped by now.
You're no quitter!
I mean, you know, for someone without a spine.
"I don't want Curt to take a picture of me. I said no. He's snapping my
picture! GRRR. But instead of telling him to stop, well, I-I-I'll
SNEER! Yes, that's JUST what I'll do."
> my answer is no.
Oh, thank you for answering a question I didn't ask. How about the
others? Care to take a swing at them? I didn't think so. But I won't
crrrryyyyyy about it like SOME PEOPLE!
> I encounter people I'd rather not
> deal with every day.
Woah. What a great life you must have! Retail sales? Been there, done
that. Really not such a bad gig.
> I don't have the time or desire to
> yell at them all and even if I did,
> it's poor social etiquette.
Thank you for being the glue that holds society together, Miss Manners.
> There have been occasions where I've
> thrown social etiquette out the window
> to deal with the assholes when I felt doing
> so would better the situation.
GRRRR! (Hey, that really rings a bell. I should Google GRRR and snitty.
That's somethingsomething.)
> I can't possibly see how lashing out
> at you would have done anything except
> add some unneeded drama.
Uh, telling me not to take your picture would not have been unneeded
drama or even considered lashing out. Hey, in MY opinion anyway. And
telling your husband that I wasn't complying with your wishes also
wouldn't have been unneeded drama. It would have been assertive. And it
would have avoided future drama. Or *present* drama. Like now. Like
here. Do you see that? Nah, I suspect not.
> And if you're at the event again this year,
> don't be surprised that I'll again choose
> to avoid the drama.
Which equates to continuing the ol' spineless and nonassertive
behavior, right? Whatever works for you, snitty, however I strongly
recommend speaking up in a calm but audible manner.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
>Whatever works for you, snitty, however I strongly
>recommend speaking up in a calm but audible manner.
Yeah. I'll file that right there will all the other pearls of wisdom
you've handed out.
intergalactic snitty princess
where "will" = "with"
Curt
>>SNIP "Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>SNIP I strongly recommend speaking up in a calm but audible manner.
>>
>>Yeah. I'll file that right there will all the other pearls of wisdom
>>you've handed out.
>
>where "will" = "with"
Thanks, but, yeah, I made that jump.
So, are we through here or did you want to correct yourself some more?
I'm good either way.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> Nice, curt.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> SNIP
> all about you SNIP
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cool.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
[...]
>BTW, next time leer at girls and offer them creepy rides on
>your infantile harley and they all kind of pretend you didnt
>say anything, realize that its because YOU CREEP THEM
>ALL OUT COMPLETELY AND THEY DONT LIKE YOU.
Didn't find the snitty "please delete that image" request, but I did
find this post which you seem to have latched onto of late.
You know, I didn't see you there, but I did have several IAMers take
that ride on my so-called infantile bike. One man and at least three
women. I could IM two of them and ask them both to give you a
description of the fun they had. One even told me they wanted to ask
to go again.
I could, but, yeah, that /would/ be creepy and I don't need validation
like that. Sorry, pal. Try again.
--
Curt
Curt James
Looky there. An apostrophe. Wuddyaknow? Nice stroll down memory lane,
fwiw. Although I haven't found any post specifically asking for the
delete of the photobucket image, I think I'll zap it just because.
Why? Because I'm the bigger person. ;) Now maybe you could apologize
to Kate or even Jess. Meh.
--
Curt
David RL Gärtner, RMT
choked out these words:
>Looky there. An apostrophe. Wuddyaknow? Nice stroll down memory lane,
>fwiw.
acronyms are usually capitalized.