Penile Splitting?
RonP100386
detail about penile splitting and one person in particular who had it
done. Apparently it is a tricky surgical operation for a number of
reasons: The shaft of the penis is actually separated into two areas which
fill with blood (thus causing an erection). These two areas are separated
by a thin wall of tissue.
If, During the procedure, this wall is breached on either side, it is
quite difficult to stop the bleeding. Apparently there exists the very
real possibility of bleeding to death.
The man who had this done claims to have a normally functioning member.
I know of no doctor in the United States who has performed any such
operation and the man in "Modern Primitives" claims to have gone to Mexico
for his.
Let me know of any other info or if you want more details on the "Modern
Primitives" book.
RDP
Sensoria Kollectiv
Shivamachn
>operation and the man in "Modern Primitives" claims to have gone to
Mexico
>for his.
>
>Let me know of any other info or if you want more details on the "Modern
>Primitives" book.
>
>RDP
>Sensoria Kollectiv
umm...the guy in modern primitives is carl carrol, from australia, and had
it done there...fakir musafar went to mexico for his penis enlongation
operation. penis splitting is also reportedly done by aborigines in
australia and new zealand as an homage to a lizard spirit totem.
shiva
John Atkinson
>>I know of no doctor in the United States who has performed any such
>>operation and the man in "Modern Primitives" claims to have gone to
>Mexico
>>for his.
>>
>umm...the guy in modern primitives is carl carrol, from australia, and had
>it done there...fakir musafar went to mexico for his penis enlongation
>operation. penis splitting is also reportedly done by aborigines in
>australia and new zealand as an homage to a lizard spirit totem.
>shiva
Carl Carroll split his penis himself, an eighth of an inch at a time,
waiting 3-4 weeks between cuts. He describes his procedure in detail in his
article in PFIQ 15, pp 12-15, 1982.
Australian aborigines perform subincision, cutting open of the urethra
all the way along the bottom of the penis. They do not split the main body
of the penis like Carroll did; he was imitating the practices of Indian
yogis. Subincision was carried out over almost the whole western and
central part of the continent of Australia at the time of white contact.
Local whites call it "whistle-cock". It was never carried out in the east
or in New Zealand. At present it is probably restricted to a few places in
the western desert and north where traditional practices are actively
maintained. It is widely discussed in the anthropological literature. I've
never heard of the "lizard spirit" rationale; Fakir probably made that up
himself. Among the many reasons quoted for the practice in the literature,
the only ones that that seem at all likely to me are: (1) a source of blood
for ceremonies; (2) in imitation of a kangaroo ancestor (most marsupials
have a small split in their penis); (3) women insist on it as it improves
intercourse for them.
John (jo...@tiny.me.su.oz.au)
Magnus
>The book, "Modern Primitives," by RE Search publications goes into great
>detail about penile splitting and one person in particular who had it
>done. Apparently it is a tricky surgical operation for a number of
>reasons: The shaft of the penis is actually separated into two areas which
>fill with blood (thus causing an erection). These two areas are separated
>by a thin wall of tissue.
>If, During the procedure, this wall is breached on either side, it is
>quite difficult to stop the bleeding. Apparently there exists the very
>real possibility of bleeding to death.
>The man who had this done claims to have a normally functioning member.
>I know of no doctor in the United States who has performed any such
>operation and the man in "Modern Primitives" claims to have gone to Mexico
>for his.
Actually.. I believe that you are speaking of the operation that Fakir
Musafar went through on his pee-pee..<grin>.. apparently to sut the
tendon in it.. he had to go to Mexico for the doc... I believe that the
penile bifurcation they show there was a man in australia who had done it
himself... course.. I could be way off too.. haven't read the article in
a few months...
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Glider
>The book, "Modern Primitives," by RE Search publications goes into great
>detail about penile splitting and one person in particular who had it
>done. Apparently it is a tricky surgical operation for a number of
>reasons: The shaft of the penis is actually separated into two areas which
>fill with blood (thus causing an erection). These two areas are separated
>by a thin wall of tissue.
It is not a surgical, one-step procedure. It is done slowly, bit by bit,
over many years, making the split a bit more each time. Even simpler
is half a split (the cooked hot-dog look), as the tissue is easier go
through and heal...
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kokopelli
>Among the many reasons quoted for the practice in the literature,
>the only ones that that seem at all likely to me are: (1) a source of blood
>for ceremonies; (2) in imitation of a kangaroo ancestor (most marsupials
>have a small split in their penis); (3) women insist on it as it improves
>intercourse for them.
>John (jo...@tiny.me.su.oz.au)
my anthropology professor spoke about some research he has done with the
austrailian aborigines who split the underside of their penises. he said
they did it because they believe in hermaphrodite gods/goddesses and
therefore try to acheive oneness with their religion by making their
penis like a vagina. i don't know if this is the real reason, but it is
the one that i heard...
amadeus
Eric Anderson
Just because you have never heard of a "lizard spirit" doesn't mean it
doesn't exsist in aborigional belief. What makes you think that Fakir
made it up. What is up with all this crap about Fakir anyways. Is
everyone on this board totally baiased against Fakir and pro Jim Ward?
Geekboy
boy brent
:Just because you have never heard of a "lizard spirit" doesn't mean it
:made it up. What is up with all this crap about Fakir anyways. Is
:everyone on this board totally baiased against Fakir and pro Jim Ward?
i don't understand it either. A lot of people seem to think that
when it comes to other cultures, beliefs or ceremonies, Fakir is
making things up or generally doesn't know what he's talking about;
however they come to these conclusions by things they've read in
books. Fakir, OTOH, has actually been to these places and talked
to the shamans who have performed the ceremonies, and in many cases
he's performed the ceremonies or rites himself. The picture being
painted here of a phony who's out to make a fast buck and blow his
own horn just doesn't jive with the person i know. Fakir is a very
fair and nonjudgemental person. i do not question his motives.
i have seen him in a number of situations in which he has selflessly
given of his time and experience in the interests of helping others
gain knowledge and spiritual insight thru estatic ritual. Last
August, for example, he helped organize a ball dance for the attendees
of the Black Leather Wings gathering. This is a Hindu religious rite
performed every year at the Vegetarian Festival at Phuket, Thailand.
Fakir did considerable work in organizing and autoclaving the materials,
training the persons who would perform the temporary piercers, and
conducting the ceremony. There were around 35 to 40 participants, and
each participant had an average of about 12 temporary piercings.
That's a lot of piercings to supervise in one day. Yet he never
complained, nor did he seek renumeration for himself, despite the
fact that he spent some 5 hours constantly piercing one person after
another. The ceremony was a very moving one for me, and i had the
privilege of returning the kindness to him by putting some of my massage
skills to use for him after the ceremony. i can tell you that Fakir's
body is getting a little old for this kind of stress, yet he does it
anyway. It's a labor of love.
If he has made mistakes, i would remind you that he is not all knowing
any more than any of us are. If he is sometimes a bit disorganized,
i would remind you that he works very hard and has dedicated most of
his spare time to educating people about body modification. i think
he has earned a position of respect in our community, and i don't
appreciate people attributing malice of intent to his actions when
the real causes are overwork and advancing age.
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Glider
>books. Fakir, OTOH, has actually been to these places and talked
>to the shamans who have performed the ceremonies, and in many cases
>he's performed the ceremonies or rites himself.
not exist any more. Also, he has not been to the majority of the places
he talks about (I am assuming this because of what he says about
travelling in BP&MPQ).
>The picture being
>painted here of a phony who's out to make a fast buck and blow his
>own horn just doesn't jive with the person i know. Fakir is a very
>fair and nonjudgemental person. i do not question his motives.
I don't doubt that he is very nice. However, this doesn't mean that
he's a scholar, or has any real historical/cultural knowledge.
>of the Black Leather Wings gathering. This is a Hindu religious rite
>performed every year at the Vegetarian Festival at Phuket, Thailand.
And the way that they (at Phuket) are doing it is very different, and
quite unrelated. Only what's physically going on is even similar...
>That's a lot of piercings to supervise in one day. Yet he never
>complained, nor did he seek renumeration for himself, despite the
>fact that he spent some 5 hours constantly piercing one person after
>another.
Like I said before, I don't think anyone doubts he was a nice guy.
But I think Ronald Reagan was a nice guy too, but that doesn't
mean he was well-informed :)
>The ceremony was a very moving one for me, and i had the
I believe it, and I think Fakir is probably an expert at ritual and
ceremony, but it bothers me when he makes up cultural
references, as he is seen as such an authority figure.
>his spare time to educating people about body modification. i think
>he has earned a position of respect in our community, and i don't
Yes, but I really must emphasize that he is NOT an authority
on cultural information.
joseph.j.de rosa
boy brent <bca...@teleport.com> wrote:
>In <Pine.A32.3.91c.950313...@homer09.u.washington.edu> Eric Anderson <gee...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>:everyone on this board totally baiased against Fakir and pro Jim Ward?
It seems to me that this group has routinely bashed Gauntlet and Jim Ward,
and elevated Fakir almost to a god. These two threads have been the first that
*I've* seen where Fakir was criticized.
Having said this, I have to agree somewhat with brent.
>i don't understand it either. A lot of people seem to think that
>when it comes to other cultures, beliefs or ceremonies, Fakir is
>making things up or generally doesn't know what he's talking about;
[stuff deleted to save space]
>If he has made mistakes, i would remind you that he is not all knowing
>any more than any of us are. ....
The original postings were critical of his mistakes because of
the reputation that Fakir has gained. We have to remember that
he is just as prone to error as anyone else.
Maybe a bigger question is how do these errors slip through?
I would imagine that some of these facts can be verified,
avoiding the complaints from some quarters.
>i think he has earned a position of respect in our community, and i don't
>appreciate people attributing malice of intent to his actions when ...
I don't think that there is any malice in his actions or
his alleged mis-information.
Perhaps the same criticisms that have been leveled
against Gauntlet recently could also apply to Fakir??
-that he has become too popular;
-that he is losing focus of the people who look up to him;
-that he has become seduced by the raw power and
authority he wields in this community;
-that he has become arrogant;
-that he feels that he has been missing out on the "big bucks, so is now
out to "get his";
etc)
Or is it that we all try to find one person to represent the ultimate in
knowledge in an area, and none can live up to our standards?
I *do* find Eric Anderson's blind devotion rather troubling.
This is the kind of attitude that makes people expect more than is
humanly possible from Fakir.
Joe "I've been lied to by natives, too" DeRosa
jde...@attmail.att.com
The Scorpion
>
> I *do* find Eric Anderson's blind devotion rather troubling.
> This is the kind of attitude that makes people expect more than is
> humanly possible from Fakir.
It's not just him, it's several others... including, now, the person
who started the "Fakir evilspeakers REPENT" thread.
Ian said in one of his posts "No one follows Fakir", yet the vehmonance
of his friends and students is almost that of a fundamintalist minister.
That frightens me.
It rather reminds me of Monty Python's "The life of Brian"...
Brian: You are all individuals.
Crowd: YES, WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS!
Stacy Maples was exactly right when she said that if you remove the rituals
from the over-all cultural context, you can *NOT* get the same results
as just going through the rituals, but being a part of this culture. That
isn't to say that you are not going to experience something profound.
Given that you will experience something profound, why not creat your
*OWN* ritual, which will be an expression of your own person and cultural
heratige. I wonder if doing so would not lead to an even more profound
experinece.
When I was 12 and began exploring myself sexually and spiritually, I took
part in a moving experience- a group meditation lead by a minister. At the
end, the minister told the group that we had all achieved the same deep
state (roughly analogous to gamma sleep), but one of us had gone there a
different way that how he was leading. Later he pulled me aside and told me
I was the "special" one; and never to lose that individual spirit. It was
that experience, perhapse more than any other, that ultimately shaped who I
am spiritually. Julian loves to go to Mass- he appreciates the sameness and
the ritual. I find it soffocating. Instead, I prefer to spend my time creating
my own praises for the Great Spirit, and creating my own, private rituals.
I don't march to the beat of a different drummer- I don't march, and I am
my *OWN* drummer.
-chris
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Lani Teshima-Miller
>The original postings were critical of his mistakes because of
>the reputation that Fakir has gained. We have to remember that
>he is just as prone to error as anyone else.
>
>Maybe a bigger question is how do these errors slip through?
>I would imagine that some of these facts can be verified,
>avoiding the complaints from some quarters.
On a parallel plane, let's ask this question: Why, after Stephen King
wrote such a tightly, well-woven novel such as _the Stand_, was the
unexpurgated version (bloated with an excess of more than 300 extra
pages over the original) published by DoubleDay (who'd lost King to
Viking)?
Why, when King was able to write such effective stories as _the
Shining_, was he allowed to spew out mediocrity like _Dolores Claiborne_?
The answer to these questions can probably be applied to Fakir:
o He is GREAT at what he does. He is doing something he loves to do,
and would do it for free except people keep paying him money.
o Just because he's great at what he does, doesn't mean he's
a master or a sage about everything.
o Because he's so great at what he does, and he is so revered
and/or respected/feared in the industry, NOBODY will touch
his work to make sure the facts are correct.
There you have it.
NOW, think about this fact: Fakir is a writer for _Body Play_. Fakir
is the editor for _Body Play_. Fakir is the publisher for _Body
Play_. Where, within this picture, is the copy editor who checks all
the facts? And if they DID have one, would the editor say, "Hey Fak,
buddy--you shouldn't say this." (Oh yeah--Fakir is the BOSS and
guy-who-signs-the-checks for _Body Play_ too, I'm sure).
Having said all that, I have a strong suggestion for the original
poster. Why don't you write a Letter to the Editor of _Body Play_ and
explain some of the points you brought up--in a non-judgmental way?
Since I tend to agree with those who said Fakir wasn't trying to err
on purpose, I think he would be open to correction.
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Richard White
<cps...@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> Stacy Maples was exactly right when she said that if you remove the rituals
> from the over-all cultural context, you can *NOT* get the same results
> as just going through the rituals, but being a part of this culture. That
> isn't to say that you are not going to experience something profound.
> Given that you will experience something profound, why not creat your
> *OWN* ritual, which will be an expression of your own person and cultural
> heratige. I wonder if doing so would not lead to an even more profound
> experinece.
I agree entirely. That's one reason why, though I really like tribal
tattoo work, I refused to get any traditional tribal designs. Though they
are executed in that style, they're my designs- the one on my chest, as a
matter of fact, is a tribal style IC chip, with a 0/1 talisman
representing binary code. I believe if one feels a lack of cultural
heritage, you should invent your own mythology, in lieu of adopting
someone else's.
stace maples
>I agree entirely. That's one reason why, though I really like tribal
>tattoo work, I refused to get any traditional tribal designs. Though
they
>are executed in that style, they're my designs- the one on my chest, as
a
>matter of fact, is a tribal style IC chip, with a 0/1 talisman
>representing binary code. I believe if one feels a lack of cultural
>heritage, you should invent your own mythology, in lieu of adopting
>someone else's.
>
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Julian Hurt
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Subject: Re: Bashing Fakir(was: Re: Penile Splitting? && Re: Fakir's LACK of knowledge)
Date: 22 Mar 1995 04:32:25 GMT
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The Scorpion <cps...@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> It was
> that experience, perhapse more than any other, that ultimately
> shaped who I am spiritually. Julian loves to go to Mass- he
> appreciates the sameness and the ritual. I find it soffocating.
> Instead, I prefer to spend my time creating
> my own praises for the Great Spirit, and creating my own, private
> rituals.
>
Well, girl! That's just because the Scorpion is an Native American
and Julian is a WASP-converted-to-Catholic. (What we DO share is a
LOVE for ritual!)
Julian "who agrees with the Scorpion that the Church whose ritual he
loves is raving Homophobic" Hurt
"Now that it is denied them, people realize how romantic
promiscuity was. Gay life without the sex is a theme park."
-Andrew Holleran
"Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess."
-Hunter S. Thompson
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