ADVision & EVA
Sexton Furnival
>It is interesting to see you guys post. SS is the quiet company in the
>US. There isn't much traffic here about Miku or Zenki, and your
>promotions are kind of unassuming. We don't have an idea about your
>corporate identity (Evil monolith, fan favorite, H-monger, etc.) on RAA.
that's probably because zenki's awful and miku is just past mediocre... and the
only reason miku is just past mediocre is because the character designs are
soooo cute...
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Jello
: that's probably because zenki's awful and miku is just past mediocre... and the
: only reason miku is just past mediocre is because the character designs are
: soooo cute...
some of us happen to like Zenki...
even thinkin' about picking up some of the manga..
Jello
aka Aron Craig
Anime O-Tekku Treasurer.
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Alan D. Peters
In a previous article, fal...@best.com (Peter L. Ward) says:
>In article <313917...@panix.com> Snowdog <sno...@panix.com> writes:
>>From: Snowdog <sno...@panix.com>
>>Subject: ADVision & EVA
>>Date: Sat, 02 Mar 1996 23:51:01 -0400
>
>>AD Vision does not have the right to Evangelion. Period! (Not yet)
>
>And what are your sources on this information?
>
>
>Peter L. Ward fal...@best.com Kyusaku on IRC #Anime!
>Caretaker of the Urd Shrine (http://www.best.com/~falcon/urdhome.htm)
>
>"Okay, *here's* an idea...I've heard the best cure for memory loss
> is...SHOCK TREATMENT!!" - Urd
>
He works for Software Sculptors, so they might also have a bid in.
Alan D. Peters
Andrew Hall
>Snowdog (sno...@panix.com) wrote:
>: AD Vision does not have the right to Evangelion. Period! (Not yet)
>
>Ummmmm....HELLO!!! Anybody home? They have offically annonced that they
>have the rights both here on r.a.a and on their home page. Either they
>are LYING, which I doubt, or your company lost the bidding. Sorry.
>
>Geo
>
*Ahem* [As he surpresses the urge to grab a large sledgehammer]
Sorry pal, but your whole rant tells the story. AD did indeed annouce
that they had EVA, both here in r.a.a & their webpage..BUT BEFORE THEY
HAD THE ACTUAL RIGHTS TO IT. This in turn pissed off those terrific
folks at GIANAX. Needless to say, things obviously didn't go through.
Otherwise we would have heard a lot more from AD by now. :p
Andy
Harold Ancell
Geoffrey Scott <g...@victoria.pe.net> wrote:
>I posted this before I read Snowdog's later posts stating this.
>Personally, I want to hear from AD Vision. If this rumor is true, AD
>Vision probably doesn't want to say anything about it, probably being
>afraid of looking like total morons (which, if the rumor is true, they
>are).
According to ADV, they licensed it from MOVIC. Acording to GAINAX,
contrary to what ADV said MOVIC told them, there are no plans to
enhance the animation. Someone who says they've spoken directly to
GAINAX said the latter hadn't licensed it (GAINAX's message could be
construed to say that).
Given the above info, ADV can be faulted for trusting MOVIC, but it
sure looks like MOVIC is to answer for this mess.
ADV's silence could simply reflect a desire to salvage the situation.
>If AD Vision DOESN'T respond to this message, I take the rumor to
>be true. Defend yourselves, AD Vision.
The above challenge can never be legitimate given the current start of
the art of netnews. You have no guarantee that the news server ADV's
net represenative uses will receive your message, so silence might
simply reflect netnews dropping the ball.
Email is better, but even it isn't certain.
- Harold
Thane Walkup
>>Geo
> Andy
Ya know, maybe this is behind GAINAX's recent crackdown on websites
containing information about EVA - they are afraid that the websites
will be used as evidence by one party or another that they aren't
protecting their copyrights in the US or in another market, and will
have EVA lifted right out from under their noses - kinda like the
buyout in Otaku-no Video! (Well, I'm stretching a bit on that one, but
you know what I mean...)
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Bo-Yi Lin
>According to ADV, they licensed it from MOVIC. Acording to GAINAX,
>contrary to what ADV said MOVIC told them, there are no plans to
>enhance the animation. Someone who says they've spoken directly to
>GAINAX said the latter hadn't licensed it (GAINAX's message could be
>construed to say that).
that they are made from "new" masters. Perhaps that's what they
mean.
Bo
Harold Ancell
>Andrew Hall <ah...@capecod.net> wrote:
>Ya know, maybe this is behind GAINAX's recent crackdown on websites
>containing information about EVA - they are afraid that the websites
>will be used as evidence by one party or another that they aren't
>protecting their copyrights in the US or in another market, and will
>have EVA lifted right out from under their noses - kinda like the
>buyout in Otaku-no Video! (Well, I'm stretching a bit on that one, but
>you know what I mean...)
I think you are indeed stretching a bit; I've never heard that
copyright law is like that. What you're describing sounds like a
"feature" of trademark law, where if you don't protect your trademark
and especially if you let it become part of the language you
essentially lose it. E.g. if the courts recognize that "Xerox" has
become a synonym for copy....
Copyright protection is without question the strongest form of
intellectual property. You create a work, register your copyright
with the appropriate authority, and outside of "fair use" and the like
*no one* can legally copy your work without your permission, and the
protection, if properly renewed by you and your heirs (renewal is
required last time I checked) can last for more than a century in the
US if you live long enough.
By comparison, trade secrets can be lost if they lose their secrecy
(or are independantly duplicated), patents can be invalidated by prior
art (in the US, at least) and only last around 17 years (although it
can be said they are very strong because they cover all expressions of
an idea), and trademarks are hard to establish and must be guarded.
As for fair use in copyright law, in the US at least, all the EVA
websites I've seen with the exception of the picture galleries and the
translation site are covered by fair use. Sure, GAINAX could sue
(it's very easy to start a suit), but if they were fought they'd
almost certainly lose. And of course civil litigation in Japan is
nearly a contradiction in terms....
- Harold