Eva LDs -Just Saw on fj.rec.animation: Announcement from Ginax!
Daisuke Suzuki
from Mr.Takeda of Ginax, announcing about about the LDs for the last few
episodes.
For those of you who have already seen episode 25 and 26, be
delighted. They will remake and redubb the whole episodes the way it
was intended (director's cut, eh?), and release them together with the
TV ver (for those of you who haven't seen it yet, or didn't see my
earlier warning, take a DEEEEP breath before you see it)
For episodes 21 onwards, they will retake some shots.
Hope this'll be better news for those guys who can't wait for AD-Vision
or whoever get their act together and have the subbed version released!
(and whent hey do, make sure to insist on the LD relase ver nor the TV
ver master, folks!)
Daisuke "Ritsuko, die die, for killing Ayanami clones" Suzuki
John Chennavasin
Daisuke Suzuki <dsu...@dicrect.ca> wrote:
> For those of you who have already seen episode 25 and 26, be
>delighted. They will remake and redubb the whole episodes the way it
>was intended (director's cut, eh?), and release them together with the
>TV ver (for those of you who haven't seen it yet, or didn't see my
>earlier warning, take a DEEEEP breath before you see it)
Now this will be interesting.
> For episodes 21 onwards, they will retake some shots.
>Hope this'll be better news for those guys who can't wait for AD-Vision
>or whoever get their act together and have the subbed version released!
>(and whent hey do, make sure to insist on the LD relase ver nor the TV
>ver master, folks!)
Hmm...maybe ADV's original announcement regarding Evangelion was sort of
right on the money.
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Dwayne Gregory
> > Hi, I just saw in fj.rec.animation (Japanese r.a.a.)a posting
> from Mr.Takeda of Ginax, announcing about about the LDs for the last few
> episodes.
>
> delighted. They will remake and redubb the whole episodes the way it
> was intended (director's cut, eh?), and release them together with the
> TV ver (for those of you who haven't seen it yet, or didn't see my
> earlier warning, take a DEEEEP breath before you see it)
>
>
> Hope this'll be better news for those guys who can't wait for AD-Vision
> or whoever get their act together and have the subbed version released!
> (and whent hey do, make sure to insist on the LD relase ver nor the TV
> ver master, folks!)
>
You are confusing me. LD release, not the TV version master? They have
already started releasing the lds. Are you saying that a SECOND set of
lds are to be released?
Kentaro ONIZUKA
> > Hope this'll be better news for those guys who can't wait for AD-Vision
> > or whoever get their act together and have the subbed version released!
> > (and whent hey do, make sure to insist on the LD relase ver nor the TV
> > ver master, folks!)
> >
> > Daisuke "Ritsuko, die die, for killing Ayanami clones" Suzuki
>
>You are confusing me. LD release, not the TV version master? They have
>already started releasing the lds. Are you saying that a SECOND set of
>lds are to be released?
Here I go the literal translation of Mr. Takeda's announcement.
He allowed to post to anywhere.
# Though I am not sure if he allows me to translate.
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I am Takeda@GAINAX. The GAINAX's public relation section announced
the official information. So I inform you. It is not for the
commercial purpose but to follow many posts of conjecture.
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Regarding "Neon Genesis Evangelion" which concluded recently in the
everyone's unwillingness to miss, we decided to remake Episode 25 and
the final Episode based on the original scripts. Episode 19 will be
re-dubbed and all the episode from Episodes 21 will be the
retake-version with new scenes or something. The final volume of LD
version is scheduled to contain not only the retake-version of Episode
25, 26 but also TV versions coupled. The schedule of the release will
announced in major journals.
April 7, 1996 The section of public relation Yuuki Sato.
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And here I add the news in NewType magazine.
"Evangelion will truly conclude in the final volume of Video version
which will be released early next year. Will the mysteries be truly
solved?"
Roughly translated from the article in NewType Magazine May.
Kentaro ONIZUKA
Enrique Conty
> > For episodes 21 onwards, they will retake some shots.
>
>already started releasing the lds. Are you saying that a SECOND set of
>lds are to be released?
The EVA LDs are being released one at a time. LD #3, containing episodes
5-6, was released last Friday, April 5. They have several months to go
before LD #11 (episodes 21-22) and so on. Plenty of time to do retakes.
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>The EVA LDs are being released one at a time. LD #3, containing episodes
>5-6, was released last Friday, April 5. They have several months to go
>before LD #11 (episodes 21-22) and so on. Plenty of time to do retakes.
Seriously, if they have that much time, they might as well reconsider
remaking episode 22. I mean, I can understand that they have a
shortage of cells, so we get scenes like Misato reporting to Zelei
committe (episode 17) and her sex scene (the end of episode ?).
However, that scene with Rei and Asuka in the elevator was just a BIT
TOO LONG!!!!! I actually set there in front of the TV set, wondering
if there's an era, if not for the continuing ticking noise of the
elevator counter....
Again, I seriously doubt that Gainax could tie up the loose ends with
just two episodes, original version of director's cut. For one thing,
there's still too much mystery to be explained in 2 episodes. Most
likely they'll just fuse the LD releases of the TV series with a
second season OVA that might extend the whole thing a bit....
And please, no movie failures like The Secret of Blue Waters...
Finally, no matter what they do, it is still unfair for the TV viewers
that don't have the access to those LDs (yes, including the frequent
users of Yahohan video stores...), not to mention the damage incurred
on TV stations airing Anime... Guess Gainax tainted their reputation a
bit...hope they won't do it again...
Well, but I guess we poor viewers don't really have any say in their
decision other than complaining....
-RL
John H Bogan
nuts trying to figure out what all the "reshooting episodes"
and "stage play" stuff is about.
At this point, I don't care about spoilers, I just want to
know what the hell is going on with Gainax.
Someone who knows please either e-mail me (preferred) or
post (with spoiler guards for folks who _do_ care).
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Elizabeth HL Horn
Very well, please be informed that I will discuss the ending of EVA.
EVA is a series which has sparked some controversy over the course of
its run. Some complained about the violence in episode eighteen
(ironically, I believe this received the highest rating of any up to
#24); some complained about the sex in episode twenty (why it was
considered "worse" than the average episode of BAKURETSU HUNTER is
beyond me). There has been considerable uncertainty whether Hideaki
Anno, the show's main writer and overall director, was going to be
able to explain and bring together all the mysteries he had advanced.
Anno, however, gave two basic warnings in NEWTYPE about the series:
one, the purpose of the show was to see whether he could put his
feelings of depression and hoplessness of the past four years on film,
and two, that he was only going by his own standards in judging the series.
He said, "I know this is a senseless, arrogant, and difficult course
of action--but it is my objective. I don't know yet (in last July)
what the result will be...because the story has not yet ended in my
mind...I feel that this is irresponsible...But it is also natural,
given that we (Gainax) are striving for a synchronization of ourselves
and the world of the story. At present this is the only theory I can
use to create..."
The last two episoes of EVA "break the fourth wall," that is, the
characters suddenly acknowledge to the audience that they know they
are in a fictional story. I say it's like a "stage play" for that
reason; some scenes in the final episodes literally take place on such
a set. The content of these episodes is an internal dialogue within
the characters over the question of their identity and happiness. It
should be acknowledged that these sort of scenes have appeared before
in the series; episode sixteen was largely composed of them, so they
were not in themselves a radical shift. Another bizarre element in #26
is a "imaginary" segment where EVA is played as if it were something
like a Takahashi high-school comedy; the purpose of this segment is
open to interpretation.
However, even though the last two episodes are in many ways consistent
with the basic premises of the story, they were not done to Anno's
satisfaction, a problem he has already blamed on himself. Given the
chance to re-do the final episodes, as well as improve certain scenes
in other episodes, he apparently intends to go back and do so.
From Okada's remarks in ANIMERICA, you may see that in his day Gainax
was not the easiest company to work with, and perhaps things have not
changed as much as Okada believed. As a fan, I have the luxury of not
having to worry about such considerations. Unfortunately, Gainax holds
a special trump card against fan criticism, mainly, the fact that they
were once just like us, talking about anime, going to cons about
anime, and buying anime goods--but one day they decided to actually
start making it, and ended up making some very memorable and
revolutionary work.
They didn't do it through scholarships, school,
waving a magic wand, or through CG; they worked and worked and worked
with their hands to build their skill and their creations. I don't
mean to suggest that they aren't open to criticism from fans--of
course they are. It's just...we spend hours and hours on irc and
rec.arts.anime. How many hours do we spend making our *own* anime,
like Anno did when he was twenty-one with the DAICON III OPENING
ANIME, cutting indusrial acrylic sheets into pieces because real cels
weren't in their hundred-dollar budget? You see what I'm getting at.
Real achievement, such as that of the fans who became Gainax, must
always give us a certain reason for pause. To my mind they do more
interesting flawed work than the most perfect offerring of the
average studio.
--Carl "Sunday Morning" Horn
Thane Walkup
>I haven't been following Evangelion (yet), so I'm going
>nuts trying to figure out what all the "reshooting episodes"
>and "stage play" stuff is about.
>At this point, I don't care about spoilers, I just want to
>know what the hell is going on with Gainax.
>Someone who knows please either e-mail me (preferred) or
>post (with spoiler guards for folks who _do_ care).
I'd also like more info on all this... Having only read the scripts
for Ep 25+26 and having no chance to see the eps yet, I have no idea
what the quality is...
Fnord.
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Lumraptor
: Very well, please be informed that I will discuss the ending of EVA.
: EVA is a series which has sparked some controversy over the course of
: its run. Some complained about the violence in episode eighteen
Violence is part of life.
: (ironically, I believe this received the highest rating of any up to
: #24); some complained about the sex in episode twenty (why it was
Sex is a part of life.
: beyond me). There has been considerable uncertainty whether Hideaki
: Anno, the show's main writer and overall director, was going to be
: able to explain and bring together all the mysteries he had advanced.
Mystery is a part...... Well, okay. I do really want to know what what Nerv
was trying to do...
: Anno, however, gave two basic warnings in NEWTYPE about the series:
: one, the purpose of the show was to see whether he could put his
: feelings of depression and hoplessness of the past four years on film,
: and two, that he was only going by his own standards in judging the series.
: He said, "I know this is a senseless, arrogant, and difficult course
: of action--but it is my objective. I don't know yet (in last July)
: what the result will be...because the story has not yet ended in my
: mind...I feel that this is irresponsible...But it is also natural,
: given that we (Gainax) are striving for a synchronization of ourselves
: and the world of the story. At present this is the only theory I can
: use to create..."
Kore wa.... synchro?
: The last two episoes of EVA "break the fourth wall," that is, the
: characters suddenly acknowledge to the audience that they know they
: are in a fictional story. I say it's like a "stage play" for that
Coitus interuptus! Whaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
: reason; some scenes in the final episodes literally take place on such
: a set. The content of these episodes is an internal dialogue within
: the characters over the question of their identity and happiness. It
: should be acknowledged that these sort of scenes have appeared before
: in the series; episode sixteen was largely composed of them, so they
: were not in themselves a radical shift. Another bizarre element in #26
: is a "imaginary" segment where EVA is played as if it were something
: like a Takahashi high-school comedy; the purpose of this segment is
: open to interpretation.
: However, even though the last two episodes are in many ways consistent
: with the basic premises of the story, they were not done to Anno's
: satisfaction, a problem he has already blamed on himself. Given the
: chance to re-do the final episodes, as well as improve certain scenes
: in other episodes, he apparently intends to go back and do so.
This would be good. Unfortunately, so many anime have been left unfinished...
: They didn't do it through scholarships, school,
: waving a magic wand, or through CG; they worked and worked and worked
: with their hands to build their skill and their creations. I don't
: mean to suggest that they aren't open to criticism from fans--of
: course they are. It's just...we spend hours and hours on irc and
: rec.arts.anime. How many hours do we spend making our *own* anime,
: like Anno did when he was twenty-one with the DAICON III OPENING
: ANIME, cutting indusrial acrylic sheets into pieces because real cels
: weren't in their hundred-dollar budget? You see what I'm getting at.
Not many fans in the US even take the next easier road and make dojinshi. All
we produce in any quantity is fanfic and fan dubs- both of which require
little work and originality. I too am guilty of this.
: Real achievement, such as that of the fans who became Gainax, must
: always give us a certain reason for pause. To my mind they do more
: interesting flawed work than the most perfect offerring of the
: average studio.
: --Carl "Sunday Morning" Horn
It must be acknowleged on Gainax's part that their fans will have a
little less trust in them. Evangellion built your expectations so high
toward the episode that explains everything. It's just not right that Anno
takes you there and then suddenly says "Psych! Faked you out! It's just a
stage play to get some things off my chest!" How can fans trust Gainax to
entertain them again? Is Anno/Gendo going to make a career out of abandoning
the fans/Shinji from now on?
Kevin "The Lumraptor" O'Connell
Enrique Conty
>I haven't been following Evangelion (yet), so I'm going
>nuts trying to figure out what all the "reshooting episodes"
>and "stage play" stuff is about.
>
>At this point, I don't care about spoilers, I just want to
>know what the hell is going on with Gainax.
Simple. Anno wasn't satisfied with how the last 6 episodes ended up
on the TV broadcast, so he's going to get them slightly fixed for the
LD release. The last two episodes will be *completely* remade.
Daryel M. Bush
> For those of you who have already seen episode 25 and 26, be
> delighted. They will remake and redubb the whole episodes the way it
> was intended (director's cut, eh?), and release them together with the
> TV ver (for those of you who haven't seen it yet, or didn't see my
> earlier warning, take a DEEEEP breath before you see it)
>
Well, I guess this is what ADVision had in mind when they said the
video release was to get new, improved animation?
I still don't get this at all. Is this GAINAX's plot for increasing
video sales? We didn't get it right for broadcast, so please enjoy
our slightly redone video version?
...Daryel
Enrique Conty
>
>some complained about the sex in episode twenty (why it was
>considered "worse" than the average episode of BAKURETSU HUNTER is
>beyond me)
Put a cartoon character in an S&M fashion plate, and regardless of
what that makes you think it's still a cartoon character. Have a
voice actress doing realistic love noises offscreen is a lot more
*real*, and a lot more likely to disturb people who have problems
with sex in general.
Elizabeth HL Horn
As Mark Simmons has pointed out, though, Anno never really faked out
anyone. From the very beginning when he discussed his motivations for
making EVA, he said it was to describe his feelings and put them on
film--not to make a robot or SF anime per se. He gave ample warning.
The particular ending of EVA was unusual, but so was the self-aware
approach (Gainax making an anime about Gainax making an anime) of
OTAKU NO VIDEO, and EVA can be seen as something of a progression from
that. Therefore, even if Anno is not entirely satisfied with the
ending, I don't really think it can be accused of being a psych or a
fake-out. It will be interesting when we get to see the revised ending
on video and compare it with the original TV.
--Carl "Cause everybody knows/She's a femme fatale" Horn
Kentaro ONIZUKA
>Simple. Anno wasn't satisfied with how the last 6 episodes ended up
>on the TV broadcast, so he's going to get them slightly fixed for the
>LD release. The last two episodes will be *completely* remade.
But the volume including the last two episodes will also include the
TV broadcast version.
# I am curious whether the TV version will be remade or not to be
complete.
Kentaro ONIZUKA
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Tomar
Enrique Conty <co...@rtsg.mot.com> wrote:
>In article <4ki7jf$2...@pipe10.nyc.pipeline.com> jbo...@nyc.pipeline.com (John H Bogan) writes:
>>I haven't been following Evangelion (yet), so I'm going
>>nuts trying to figure out what all the "reshooting episodes"
>>and "stage play" stuff is about.
>>
>>At this point, I don't care about spoilers, I just want to
>>know what the hell is going on with Gainax.
>
>on the TV broadcast, so he's going to get them slightly fixed for the
>LD release. The last two episodes will be *completely* remade.
I still hope there will be an opportunity to get these "original" episodes.
Of course, that means more money, but I think these episodes would
still be important even though Anno thinks they are slightly flawed.
If I want to understand his reasons for redoing these episodes, I
would love to see the originals. ^_^;
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Elizabeth HL Horn <zi...@netcom.com> wrote:
>I had a response to this, but in the interests of personal breadth,
>I've decided not to post anything about *that studio,* *that TV show,*
>or even *that movie they made in 1987* for two weeks. Instead, I'd
>like to chat about Hikaru-chan's therapy bill, BOKU NO MARI, MARMALADE
>BOY, Skuld, the upcoming LUPIN III: DEAD OR ALIVE, Sonoda's discovery
>of family values and Egawa's going off the deep end, and stuff like
>that. I think the vacation will be good for everybody.
blah blah blah GAINAX...blah blah blah EVA....blah blah blah Wings
I know I am gonna miss hearing that :D
Yeah, I wonder what it would be like if Hikaru-chan had like 4 beers
and called you up to talk about her feelings (or was it the color
of her celings?), now wouldn't that be so ironic? :D
[In-jokes galore here kids :D]
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Elizabeth HL Horn
I've decided not to post anything about *that studio,* *that TV show,*
or even *that movie they made in 1987* for two weeks. Instead, I'd
like to chat about Hikaru-chan's therapy bill, BOKU NO MARI, MARMALADE
BOY, Skuld, the upcoming LUPIN III: DEAD OR ALIVE, Sonoda's discovery
of family values and Egawa's going off the deep end, and stuff like
that. I think the vacation will be good for everybody.
--Carl "It's for UNICO, but do you want to come?" Horn
John H Bogan
on?>, 'zi...@netcom.com (Elizabeth HL Horn)' wrote:
>I had a response to this, but in the interests of personal breadth,
>I've decided not to post anything about *that studio,* *that TV show,*
>or even *that movie they made in 1987* for two weeks. Instead, I'd
>like to chat about Hikaru-chan's therapy bill, BOKU NO MARI, MARMALADE
>BOY, Skuld, the upcoming LUPIN III: DEAD OR ALIVE, Sonoda's discovery
>of family values and Egawa's going off the deep end, and stuff like
>that. I think the vacation will be good for everybody.
How much _is_ H-chan's bill (in 1996 Dollars/Yen)?/
Sonoda and family values? What's this?
Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld
Elizabeth HL Horn
>on?>, 'zi...@netcom.com (Elizabeth HL Horn)' wrote:
>
>
>>I had a response to this, but in the interests of personal breadth,
>>I've decided not to post anything about *that studio,* *that TV show,*
>>or even *that movie they made in 1987* for two weeks. Instead, I'd
>>like to chat about Hikaru-chan's therapy bill, BOKU NO MARI, MARMALADE
>>BOY, Skuld, the upcoming LUPIN III: DEAD OR ALIVE, Sonoda's discovery
>>of family values and Egawa's going off the deep end, and stuff like
>>that. I think the vacation will be good for everybody.
>
>
>OK, Carl,
>
>How much _is_ H-chan's bill (in 1996 Dollars/Yen)?/
This would depend on the venue of her therapy; i.e., psychologist,
psychiatrist, professional counselor...Assuming just for the moment a
licensed clinical psychologist specializing in adolescent development,
an 18-month period of treatment with weekly sessions, this would be
around $4680.00. However, I still offer psychiatric help for five cents.
>Sonoda and family values? What's this?
Ain't you read volume six of GUN SMITH CATS?
>Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld Skuld
The most conventionally cute of the trio, having neither the ethereal
transendence of Belldandy nor the-artist-formerly-known-as-Prince-protege
stylings of Urd, although I suppose when she grows up she'll go either
way; it's all part of that goddess career track.
--Carl "Sho nuff do be cookin' in my book" Horn
John H Bogan
Take it, Carl!>, 'zi...@netcom.com (Elizabeth HL Horn)' wrote:
[me]
>
>Ain't you read volume six of GUN SMITH CATS?
an illiterate. Is anyone translating it, or have they steered clear
so as not to infringe on Dark Horse?
I know I'd like to find out:
1) more about this Lufy^H^H^H^H^H Riff-Raff character;
2) if there's anything behind Rally's dad's strong resemblence
to Souichiro Otonashi ;) ;
3) what the hell's going on besides car chases and gunplay
(errr, that is, the setups to the car chases and gunplay :).