[DRAGONBALL] What are the names of the fireballs?
jer...@cruzio.com
Can someone please tel me the names of the fireballs that are used in
Dragonball, like Kame-Hame-Ha, etc. etc. I would appreciate any info.
Jeremy
PS: Thanks to everyone who respnded to my first post, it helped a lot!
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SixFtOfLuv
would you like to know the names of? (i.e. piccolo, vegeta, gohan, goten,
etc.)
Ryoko
He most likey meant ka-me-ha-me-ha the big power ki attach of Goku
cell and other would be planet destroing people. Tenshinhan and his group
use dodon, and Vejita has his garlic-hou(spelling) several assort. ki
attacks.
But kamehameha seems to be the most common these days.
Gautama Buddha
Curtis Hoffmann's DB manga personae list and background data:
[my comments in square brackets]
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[volumes 1-11]
Fighting Styles and attacks:
Janken -- actually the Japanese name for "scissors/paper/stone."
Gokuu punches (stone) and the proper counter is a block (paper.)
[Also includes an eye-gouge movement as "scissors".]
Kamehame-ha -- A power blast. Originally, Kamesennin was the only one
that could do this, after 50 years of training. Gokuu picked it
up just by watching. (Kame means "turtle".) Jackie Chun is the
third person to have been seen using this attack. Later on, a
number of other characters start using it.
One Pattern -- A fake, where the attacker moves so fast that an
after-image is left behind. Gokuu has been able to leave three
images of himself. First used by Jackie Chun.
Dodon -- This actually a mimetic adjective used to describe something
that is very powerful (eg. -- That bull is dodon strong.) This
is the name Tao-pie pie uses for his finger-blast, which initially
is more powerful than Gokuu's Kamehame-ha. Dodon can also be
used as a sound effect for an explosion (kind of like calling
your bomb a "ka-whump".)
Rouga Fuufuu Ken -- Yamcha's "Wolf Wind Attack." In volume 10, this is
replaced by Shin-Rouga Fuufuu Ken, or "New" Wolf Wind Attack.
Shin-tsurusen-ryuu Taiyou-ken: This is a blinding attack used by
Tenshinhan during the Tenkaichi-budoukai. His entire body
can glow with a very intense light.
Kikouhou: Another of Tenshinhan's techniques. Requires a lot of
concentration, and can be very devastating.
[Tenshinhan holds his hands in a triangle configuration around his third
eye, and the energy blast comes from there. It's VERY expensive in terms
of the amount of energy used to perform it. If he uses it too many times,
or throws *all* his energy into it, Tenshinhan's life can be in danger.]
[volumes 12-20]
Fighting styles:
Super Dodon-pa: A cannon blast that Tao-pie Pie uses against
Tenshinhan. Stronger than the regular Dodon attack.
[Only shows up after Taopaipai gets cyborged.]
Zanzou-ken: After-Image Attack. This is a technique that Ma Jr.
uses, which is basically the same thing as One Pattern.
Souki-Dan: Big inner-energy ball. Yamcha uses it against Shen.
[Ultra cool, remote-control energy bomb.]
Me no 12: Twelve Eyes. Tenshin has the ability to create 3 exact
clones of himself (actual creations, not just images.)
Chou-Kamehame-ha: "Ultimate" Kamehame-ha. Gokuu uses it for the
first time, while facing Ma Junior in volume 16.
Bukuujutsu: "No Air" This is name of the technique used when
people fly around. (Used from volume 16 on up.) May also be read
as Mukuujutsu, "Dancing on Air."
Makankousappou: Piccolo's screw blast. Very powerful, but requires some
time to build up the energy, first. "Heavy light attack"
(light as in illumination.) (Used in vol. 17)
Other notes:
Kamesennin originally said that it had taken him 50 years to master
Kamehame-ha, but Gokuu picked it up right after seeing it used.
There are 4 people in the world who are known to be able to use
this attack -- Kamesennin, Jackie Chun, Son Gohan, and Gokuu.
However, 4-5 years after meeting Kamesennin, two others have also
picked it up, as does one more at the Tenkaichi-Budoukai.
[At the beginning of DBZ, Yamucha and Kuririn are able to do the Kamehameha,
and /probably/ Tenshinhan as well. By late DBZ, almost anybody involved
seems to be able to do it ^_^]
[volumes 21-30]
Fighting styles:
En Getsu Zan: (Probably) Kuririn's cutting energy ball.
[I hear this as "Kien-zan". Maybe the name was changed for TV.]
Rikuum Eraser Gun: A mouth blast more powerful than most large bombs.
Crusher Ball: Jiisu's super powerful energy sphere.
[One remarkable one that seems to have been skipped:
Genki-dama: An energy-borrowing attack Kaiou-sama teaches Goku. The
fighter collects a little bit of ki from every living thing on
the planet, forms it into a big energy ball, and toasts his
opponent with it. Can only be performed with a "pure heart".]
[volumes 31-35]
Combat techniques:
Hell's Flash: #16's energy blast attack, fired from his forearms.
Shin-Kikou-hou: Tenshinhan's self-killing energy attack, with 'shin'
in front of it (shin == new.)
[volumes 36-39]
Combat techniques:
Satsujin Punch -- Ikousa's "Assassin's/Kill Person" punch.
Totsugeki -- Goten's diving bombing attack.
Rolling Attack -- Mr. Satan's rolling attack.
Satan Punch!!! -- What else?
Satan Miracle Special Ultra Super Megaton Punch -- Mr. Satan's best
punch. Used on #18, it has no effect. Later on,
when asked to repeat the full name for the Press,
Satan has forgotten it.
[volume 41]
New attacks:
Dynamite Kick -- These are all standards punches and
Rolling Thunder Punch kicks, with new names devised by
Inoshishi (wild boar) Attack Gotenks
Power Tackle
Miracle Super Punch
Great Kick Special
Magnum Thunder
Ultra Miracle Parfait
Hyper Plasma Short Cake
Galactica Donut -- Gotenks' encircling, crushing energy ring.
Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack - Gotenks spits out a ghost of himself.
The ghosts explode on impact, which can
then do damage and drain you of energy.
Renzoku Super Donuts -- (Continuous Super Donuts.) This is like
Galactica Donut, with four contracting
energy rings being shot out, instead of
just one.
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SixFtOfLuv
also, gohan's masenko and boo's food attack!
Katrina Spencer
> Ultra Miracle Parfait
> Hyper Plasma Short Cake
> Galactica Donut -- Gotenks' encircling, crushing energy ring.
> Renzoku Super Donuts -- (Continuous Super Donuts.) This is like
> Galactica Donut, with four contracting
> energy rings being shot out, instead of
> just one.
Poor kids, they're always so hungry they have to name their attacks after
food =P (okay, *he* names his attacks after food -- I have trouble
considering Gotenks one person...)
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Gautama Buddha <suk...@netcom.com> wrote:
>[volumes 1-11]
>Fighting Styles and attacks:
>Janken -- actually the Japanese name for "scissors/paper/stone."
> Gokuu punches (stone) and the proper counter is a block (paper.)
>[Also includes an eye-gouge movement as "scissors".]
Actually "Jankenpa" or "Jankenpo", I think -- it's the same
as the game of that name, turned into a silly martial arts move.
>Kamehame-ha -- A power blast. Originally, Kamesennin was the only one
> that could do this, after 50 years of training. Gokuu picked it
> up just by watching. (Kame means "turtle".) Jackie Chun is the
> third person to have been seen using this attack. Later on, a
> number of other characters start using it.
You DO realize that Jackie Chun = Kamesennin?
Note about Kame-Hame-Ha: The reason it is difficult or impossible
to arrive at a "true" translation is that the attack's name was copied
directly from the name of the great Hawaiian hero, Kamehameha (pronounced
"Ka-may-ha may-ha" in Hawaii, rather than "kah-meh ha-meh ha" as in
the show); I'd guessed this a while back and had the guess confirmed
recently by someone who'd talked to Toriyama. Apparently Toriyama-sensei
either visited Hawaii or knew someone who did, and they had stayed at
the Kamehameha hotel...
Note also that the Kame-Hame-HA is essentially the ONLY combat
technique to be still in use after the length of time it's been around.
I've heard it said that it's the ultimate combat technique, limited
only by the power of the user. Be that as it may, the Kame-hame-HA is
the ONLY "ki blast" which remains a formidable weapon from the time
of its introduction to the end of the series.
>One Pattern -- A fake, where the attacker moves so fast that an
> after-image is left behind. Gokuu has been able to leave three
> images of himself. First used by Jackie Chun.
Goku and Kuririn both learn this one fairly quickly as well.
>Dodon -- This actually a mimetic adjective used to describe something
> that is very powerful (eg. -- That bull is dodon strong.) This
> is the name Tao-pie pie uses for his finger-blast, which initially
> is more powerful than Gokuu's Kamehame-ha. Dodon can also be
> used as a sound effect for an explosion (kind of like calling
> your bomb a "ka-whump".)
"Dodon-PA!" is also used similarly; I think the attack is
the Dodon-Pa but often the last syllable isn't used. Piccolo and
Freezer also seem to use this one.
>Rouga Fuufuu Ken -- Yamcha's "Wolf Wind Attack." In volume 10, this is
> replaced by Shin-Rouga Fuufuu Ken, or "New" Wolf Wind Attack.
>Shin-tsurusen-ryuu Taiyou-ken: This is a blinding attack used by
> Tenshinhan during the Tenkaichi-budoukai. His entire body
> can glow with a very intense light.
>Kikouhou: Another of Tenshinhan's techniques. Requires a lot of
> concentration, and can be very devastating.
>[Tenshinhan holds his hands in a triangle configuration around his third
> eye, and the energy blast comes from there. It's VERY expensive in terms
> of the amount of energy used to perform it. If he uses it too many times,
> or throws *all* his energy into it, Tenshinhan's life can be in danger.]
He expires from this, in fact, in the battle against Napa, having
expended all his energy in a Ki-Ko-Hou against Napa in revenge for Chouzu's
death. A useless gesture, unfortunately.
>Fighting styles:
> Super Dodon-pa: A cannon blast that Tao-pie Pie uses against
> Tenshinhan. Stronger than the regular Dodon attack.
>[Only shows up after Taopaipai gets cyborged.]
> Zanzou-ken: After-Image Attack. This is a technique that Ma Jr.
> uses, which is basically the same thing as One Pattern.
Again, just to make sure things are understood well here, "Ma Jr."
is Piccolo Daiyamo. He took the name "Ma Junior" ("Junior Demon")
to enter the Tenkai-ichi-Budokai, but once he gets into the final round
he drops the pretense and publicly acknowledges that he's the Demon King
Piccolo, reborn, ready to destroy the world, etc., etc...
> Souki-Dan: Big inner-energy ball. Yamcha uses it against Shen.
>[Ultra cool, remote-control energy bomb.]
It *is* cool; it's a shame that Yamucha gets utterly screwed in
every Tenkai-ichi-Budokai, being put up in his first round against
whoever is the absolutely nastiest person in the finals; Kamesennin in
the first one, Tenshinhan second, and Kami-sama himself in the third!
Someday I'd like to see him kick some butt...
> Makankousappou: Piccolo's screw blast. Very powerful, but requires some
> time to build up the energy, first. "Heavy light attack"
> (light as in illumination.) (Used in vol. 17)
Translates closer to "Demon's Light" something or other.
Gohan uses a blast "Ma-Sen-Kou" which I think means "Demon's
Lightning" and which was taught to him by Piccolo.
>Other notes:
> Kamesennin originally said that it had taken him 50 years to master
> Kamehame-ha, but Gokuu picked it up right after seeing it used.
> There are 4 people in the world who are known to be able to use
> this attack -- Kamesennin, Jackie Chun, Son Gohan, and Gokuu.
Three people -- Kamesenin and JC are the same person.
Yamucha and Kuririn are the next to learn it. By Dragonball Z,
it's a safe bet that all the Zed team know how to do the Kamehameha, even
though they have their own preferred techniques. I don't think Vegita
ever learns it, but I could be wrong. It's an extremely powerful, flexible,
and scalable attack.
>[volumes 21-30]
>Fighting styles:
> En Getsu Zan: (Probably) Kuririn's cutting energy ball.
>[I hear this as "Kien-zan". Maybe the name was changed for TV.]
Ki En Zan: Circular Ki Cut. A razor-sharp blade of pure soul
energy, the Kienzan is the only attack other than the Ma-Kan-Ko-Sappoo
which can hurt the Saiyajin when they first appear on Earth. Kuririn
invented this attack, and its only drawback was that it took a while to
summon. He speeds it up later. There seems to be absolutely nothing that
it cannot cut, nor anything I've seen that can block it. NO ONE
tries to "take it like a man"; that's death. Thus the writers never let
him really connect with the thing, since that would end the story.
> Genki-dama: An energy-borrowing attack Kaiou-sama teaches Goku. The
> fighter collects a little bit of ki from every living thing on
> the planet, forms it into a big energy ball, and toasts his
> opponent with it. Can only be performed with a "pure heart".]
Of all the characters in the show, only Goku has summoned the
Genki Dama, and only one other person, Kuririn, has been able to control
and direct it. I suspect that Kuririn NOW could summon it, if he was
so trained, but damn few others could. Its major drawback is that it
takes a hell of a long time to get going.
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tuk
>good job, but you forgot Piccolo's makankousatpou, a very deadly attack.
>also, gohan's masenko and boo's food attack!
don't forget vegita's final flash and big bang attack!!!
tuk
Gautama Buddha
>>[volumes 1-11]
>>Fighting Styles and attacks:
>>Janken -- actually the Japanese name for "scissors/paper/stone."
>> Gokuu punches (stone) and the proper counter is a block (paper.)
>>[Also includes an eye-gouge movement as "scissors".]
>
> Actually "Jankenpa" or "Jankenpo", I think -- it's the same
>as the game of that name, turned into a silly martial arts move.
I have in front of me -- the newly released Dragon Ball: Story Guide. It
is open to the Special Attacks section. The Story Guide lists this attack
as:
Jan Ken. "Jan" is in hiragana, "ken" is in the kanji for "style" or
"school."
>>Kamehame-ha -- A power blast. Originally, Kamesennin was the only one
>> that could do this, after 50 years of training. Gokuu picked it
>> up just by watching. (Kame means "turtle".) Jackie Chun is the
>> third person to have been seen using this attack. Later on, a
>> number of other characters start using it.
>
> You DO realize that Jackie Chun = Kamesennin?
Ummm, you DO realize that I'm the one that's been summarizing the entire
series?
Jackie Chun is known to the rest of the population of the Dragon World as
the winner of several prior Budoukai's. As such, he is a recognized
individual in his own right, and is even mentioned in the manga as being one
of the people besides Kamesennin that can use Kamehame-ha (as far as normal
people know.)
> Note about Kame-Hame-Ha: The reason it is difficult or impossible
>to arrive at a "true" translation is that the attack's name was copied
>directly from the name of the great Hawaiian hero, Kamehameha (pronounced
>"Ka-may-ha may-ha" in Hawaii, rather than "kah-meh ha-meh ha" as in
>the show); I'd guessed this a while back and had the guess confirmed
>recently by someone who'd talked to Toriyama. Apparently Toriyama-sensei
>either visited Hawaii or knew someone who did, and they had stayed at
>the Kamehameha hotel...
I'd be much happier if you had actual sources that could be confirmed
here.
People have been speculating for YEARS that Kamehame-ha came from the
name of the Hawaiian king. (And, unless I'm mistaken, your "guess" occurred
some time after I printed the possibility on the net.)
> Note also that the Kame-Hame-HA is essentially the ONLY combat
>technique to be still in use after the length of time it's been around.
>I've heard it said that it's the ultimate combat technique, limited
>only by the power of the user. Be that as it may, the Kame-hame-HA is
>the ONLY "ki blast" which remains a formidable weapon from the time
>of its introduction to the end of the series.
All energy blasts are a function of the user's ki level. The difference
between each energy blast is more in the form it takes, than in the damage
it does. (Just like the attacks of any martial art, when the artist is at a
high enough skill level.) And, Gokuu, Gohan, and Goten have the highest ki
levels of anyone excepting possibly Trunks and Vejiita.
Kamehame-ha is the oldest ki attack, since all of the attacks before it
had been variants and parodies of different martial arts.
Dodon-pa came next, and is still in use mainly by Chau-zu. A version of
it is sometimes used by Vejiita. Usually, after a character has been around
for a while, he stops announcing the name of his signature attack, and
simply uses it when necessary. Kamehame-ha is the obvious exception (and
can still be recognized by the hand and finger positions just before it is
used.) This is not the case with most other attacks, which tend to blend
into each other after a while.
>>Dodon -- This actually a mimetic adjective used to describe something
>> that is very powerful (eg. -- That bull is dodon strong.) This
>> is the name Tao-pie pie uses for his finger-blast, which initially
>> is more powerful than Gokuu's Kamehame-ha. Dodon can also be
>> used as a sound effect for an explosion (kind of like calling
>> your bomb a "ka-whump".)
>
> "Dodon-PA!" is also used similarly; I think the attack is
>the Dodon-Pa but often the last syllable isn't used. Piccolo and
>Freezer also seem to use this one.
According to the Story Guide, it is indeed Dodon-pa. Freeza used an
energy ball attack, rather than a beam.
Tao-Pie Pie used Dodon-pa, and his older brother (Tsurusennin) taught it
to Tenshinhan and Chau-zu.
>>Fighting styles:
>>[Only shows up after Taopaipai gets cyborged.]
>> Zanzou-ken: After-Image Attack. This is a technique that Ma Jr.
>> uses, which is basically the same thing as One Pattern.
>
> Again, just to make sure things are understood well here, "Ma Jr."
>is Piccolo Daiyamo. He took the name "Ma Junior" ("Junior Demon")
>to enter the Tenkai-ichi-Budokai, but once he gets into the final round
>he drops the pretense and publicly acknowledges that he's the Demon King
>Piccolo, reborn, ready to destroy the world, etc., etc...
Ummm, if there's really any confusion here, people can just go read the
summaries or character guides...
>> Souki-Dan: Big inner-energy ball. Yamcha uses it against Shen.
>>[Ultra cool, remote-control energy bomb.]
>
> It *is* cool; it's a shame that Yamucha gets utterly screwed in
>every Tenkai-ichi-Budokai, being put up in his first round against
>whoever is the absolutely nastiest person in the finals; Kamesennin in
>the first one, Tenshinhan second, and Kami-sama himself in the third!
>Someday I'd like to see him kick some butt...
Yamcha is just like Kuririn -- both are supporting characters that get
pushed into the background and pulled out for gag purposes when necessary.
Since both are normal humans, neither is in Piccolo's class (after Piccolo
rejoins with Kami-sama.) And, Piccolo is way below the Saiya-jin and
Saiya-jin half-breeds.
Yamcha seems to be content with leaving the status quo as it is.
>> Makankousappou: Piccolo's screw blast. Very powerful, but requires some
>> time to build up the energy, first. "Heavy light attack"
>> (light as in illumination.) (Used in vol. 17)
>
> Translates closer to "Demon's Light" something or other.
Probably "Demon's Industrial Light Attack."
> Gohan uses a blast "Ma-Sen-Kou" which I think means "Demon's
>Lightning" and which was taught to him by Piccolo.
Demon's Flash.
>>Other notes:
>> Kamesennin originally said that it had taken him 50 years to master
>> Kamehame-ha, but Gokuu picked it up right after seeing it used.
>> There are 4 people in the world who are known to be able to use
>> this attack -- Kamesennin, Jackie Chun, Son Gohan, and Gokuu.
>
> Three people -- Kamesenin and JC are the same person.
Not according to the perceptions of the people within Dragon World.
It's four people.
> Yamucha and Kuririn are the next to learn it. By Dragonball Z,
>it's a safe bet that all the Zed team know how to do the Kamehameha, even
>though they have their own preferred techniques. I don't think Vegita
>ever learns it, but I could be wrong. It's an extremely powerful, flexible,
>and scalable attack.
Where does Yamcha use it?
As far as I know Gokuu learns it just by seeing Kamesennin use it
(Kamesennin may have gotten it because of his studies under Mutaito);
Kuririn had studied under Kamesennin, and trained on his own to develop it;
Gohan learned it from Gokuu; Goten probably learned it from Gohan; Goten
probably taught it to young Trunks.
Did Yamcha ever study under Kamesennin? I don't think so. Neither did
Piccolo or Tenshinhan.
>>[volumes 21-30]
>>Fighting styles:
>> En Getsu Zan: (Probably) Kuririn's cutting energy ball.
>>[I hear this as "Kien-zan". Maybe the name was changed for TV.]
>
> Ki En Zan: Circular Ki Cut. A razor-sharp blade of pure soul
Yes, it is Kienzan. The Story Guide lists it as another ki attack,
created as an attack against Nappa and Vejiita.
>> Genki-dama: An energy-borrowing attack Kaiou-sama teaches Goku. The
>> fighter collects a little bit of ki from every living thing on
>> the planet, forms it into a big energy ball, and toasts his
>> opponent with it. Can only be performed with a "pure heart".]
>
> Of all the characters in the show, only Goku has summoned the
>Genki Dama, and only one other person, Kuririn, has been able to control
>and direct it. I suspect that Kuririn NOW could summon it, if he was
>so trained, but damn few others could. Its major drawback is that it
>takes a hell of a long time to get going.
There are a lot of techniques that Gokuu uses that other people could
learn with training. Kaiou-ken, levitating, teleporting, Fusion. It's just
that Gokuu rarely acts as a teacher, and no one else has visited Kaiou-sama,
or planet Yardrat.
The other problem with Genki Dama is that it requires that you have
living creatures to draw from. The less life on the planet, the weaker the
Genki Dama. That is, if you believe the earlier manga volumes. In the
final battle with Buu, the life energy can come from ANYWHERE and from any
distance, as long as people point their arms in the right general direction.
If anyone wants to update the attacks file (and there should be a
separate file that only contains the attacks used in DB) feel free. I don't
have time anymore.
densetsu no super saiyajin
sea...@wizvax.wizvax.net (Sea Wasp) writes:
>Gautama Buddha <suk...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>[volumes 1-11]
>>Fighting Styles and attacks:
>>Janken -- actually the Japanese name for "scissors/paper/stone."
>as the game of that name, turned into a silly martial arts move.
seperate techniques (but VERY similar).
> Apparently Toriyama-sensei
>either visited Hawaii or knew someone who did, and they had stayed at
>the Kamehameha hotel...
his name would be pretty common in Hawaii...
> Note also that the Kame-Hame-HA is essentially the ONLY combat
>technique to be still in use after the length of time it's been around.
>I've heard it said that it's the ultimate combat technique, limited
>only by the power of the user. Be that as it may, the Kame-hame-HA is
>the ONLY "ki blast" which remains a formidable weapon from the time
>of its introduction to the end of the series.
that are, in proportion to their relative power levels, are equally as strong
as the Kamehame-ha, and they continue to use them. Come to think of it, the
only reason the Kamehame-ha is so popular is that many DBZ characters were
pupils of Kame-sennin. The characters that trained elsewhere use other
techniques (Vegita, Piccolo, Trunks, #18, Tenshinhan, Chaozu...).
>>One Pattern -- A fake, where the attacker moves so fast that an
>> after-image is left behind. Gokuu has been able to leave three
>> images of himself. First used by Jackie Chun.
is "Ichi Juuzanzoo-ken". I translate this as "one after-image". And of
course, there are also "Ni Juuzanzoo-ken", "San Juuzanzoo-ken"...
There are also some one-shot, silly techniques used in the 21st Tenkaichi-
budookai:
Mutenrooshi: Sui-ken; "drunk technique". The user seemingly staggers about
uncontrollably, as if intoxicated, but is actually attacking and
dodging in a bizarre, unpredictable fashion.
Minmin-ken; "sleep technique". Hypnotizes your opponent into
falling asleep.
Son Gokuu: Kyoo-ken; "dog technique". This name is a misnomer. "Kyoo"
actually means "cat". Gokuu basically acts like a savage dog,
throwing his opponent off balance.
Saru-ken; "monkey technique". Self explanitory.
>> Zanzou-ken: After-Image Attack. This is a technique that Ma Jr.
>> uses, which is basically the same thing as One Pattern.
> Again, just to make sure things are understood well here, "Ma Jr."
>is Piccolo Daiyamo. He took the name "Ma Junior" ("Junior Demon")
>to enter the Tenkai-ichi-Budokai, but once he gets into the final round
>he drops the pretense and publicly acknowledges that he's the Demon King
>Piccolo, reborn, ready to destroy the world, etc., etc...
Piccolo Daimaoo, although he was probably born with his parent's memories
intact.
>> Souki-Dan: Big inner-energy ball. Yamcha uses it against Shen.
>>[Ultra cool, remote-control energy bomb.]
>> En Getsu Zan: (Probably) Kuririn's cutting energy ball.
>>[I hear this as "Kien-zan". Maybe the name was changed for TV.]
> Ki En Zan: Circular Ki Cut. A razor-sharp blade of pure soul
>energy, the Kienzan is the only attack other than the Ma-Kan-Ko-Sappoo
>which can hurt the Saiyajin when they first appear on Earth. Kuririn
Vegita. Radditsu was a "wimp", according to Nappa.
>invented this attack, and its only drawback was that it took a while to
>summon. He speeds it up later. There seems to be absolutely nothing that
>it cannot cut, nor anything I've seen that can block it. NO ONE
>tries to "take it like a man"; that's death. Thus the writers never let
>him really connect with the thing, since that would end the story.
even flinch. SSJ2 Gohan took one from a Cell Jr without sustaining any
damage, and later vaped two HUGE of Cell's HUGE kienzan using only his Ki.
But this was only in the anime, not the manga...
Also, kienzan are rather slow by current DBZ standards. They're easily
dodged, and trazer kienzan can be outsmarted. Freezer, Vegita, and #18 have
also used this technique, by the way...
-phil
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>>of course!! there's also trunks finishing blaster
>Is that the one he used on cyber Freezer?
>And what was his big-hurkin' fireball that he nuked stage-1 cell with when he
>returned to the future?
Finishing _BUSTER_. I've only seen him use it in the fighting games. It's the
one where he raises his arms over and behind his head, and then throws out a
big fireball straight ahead. The fireball he used against Freeza was the
"Burning Attack," and was not named in the manga; the name also came from the
fighting game. His fireball against Cell in the future was also never named,
'cause all he said was, "Cell, be obliterated completely!" and I hardly
consider that a move name.
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> There are also some one-shot, silly techniques used in the 21st Tenkaichi-
>budookai:
>Mutenrooshi: Sui-ken; "drunk technique". The user seemingly staggers about
> uncontrollably, as if intoxicated, but is actually attacking and
> dodging in a bizarre, unpredictable fashion.
Haven't you ever heard of "Drunken Fist"? I think it's only logical that
"Jackie Chun" should use it... After all, wasn't it Jackie Chen who made it
famous (at least in Japan)?
> Minmin-ken; "sleep technique". Hypnotizes your opponent into
> falling asleep.
I believe Kamesennin called it something like "Good Baby Sleeping Technique,"
but it was actually just hypnosis.
>Son Gokuu: Kyoo-ken; "dog technique". This name is a misnomer. "Kyoo"
> actually means "cat". Gokuu basically acts like a savage dog,
> throwing his opponent off balance.
I believe the kanji for this would mean something to the effect of "Crazed
Fist" (Crazed, or brutal, or monstrous, the word can mean several differnt
things that have somewhat of a similar meaning), in which Goku acted brutally
crazy... After Goku announced it as "Crazed Fist," Kamesennin (as Jackie Chun)
commented (or rather complained) that Goku have gotten the word wrong, as it
should really be "Crazed DOG," as in a mad dog, which is what Goku acted like.
> Saru-ken; "monkey technique". Self explanitory.
Yo, "ken" means "fist." (Just being picky, don't mind me)
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suk...@netcom.com (Gautama Buddha) writes:
>[Curtis responds::]
>>> Makankousappou: Piccolo's screw blast. Very powerful, but requires some
>>> time to build up the energy, first. "Heavy light attack"
>>> (light as in illumination.) (Used in vol. 17)
>> Translates closer to "Demon's Light" something or other.
> Probably "Demon's Industrial Light Attack."
How 'bout "Demon's Thorough-Killing Light Cannon"?
(Taking the kanji semi-literally)
>> Yamucha and Kuririn are the next to learn it. By Dragonball Z,
>>it's a safe bet that all the Zed team know how to do the Kamehameha, even
>>though they have their own preferred techniques. I don't think Vegita
>>ever learns it, but I could be wrong. It's an extremely powerful, flexible,
>>and scalable attack.
> Where does Yamcha use it?
In the Boudokai, just before Kuririn fought with Chaozi (dang, I forgot how to
spell his name).
> As far as I know Gokuu learns it just by seeing Kamesennin use it
>(Kamesennin may have gotten it because of his studies under Mutaito);
>Kuririn had studied under Kamesennin, and trained on his own to develop it;
>Gohan learned it from Gokuu; Goten probably learned it from Gohan; Goten
>probably taught it to young Trunks.
> Did Yamcha ever study under Kamesennin? I don't think so. Neither did
>Piccolo or Tenshinhan.
Yamcha did study under Kamesennin for a while, he asked while Goku was reviving
that little American Indian's father (forgot their names). Kamesennin never
actually taught them Kamehama-ha, but Yamcha secretly practiced it. Kuririn
never tried to practice it secretly, and when he saw that Yamcha could do it,
he thought that he (Kuririn) might be able to do it too, so he tried a small
one while fighting Chaozi.
Tenshinhan never studied under Kamesennin. But if I remember correctly, he did
live at the Kame House for a short while.
>>>[volumes 21-30]
>>>Fighting styles:
>>> En Getsu Zan: (Probably) Kuririn's cutting energy ball.
>>>[I hear this as "Kien-zan". Maybe the name was changed for TV.]
>> Ki En Zan: Circular Ki Cut. A razor-sharp blade of pure soul
> Yes, it is Kienzan. The Story Guide lists it as another ki attack,
>created as an attack against Nappa and Vejiita.
I always thought it was "Ki" (Obvious what "ki" is) "Yen" (as in the Japanese
currency) "Zan" (cut), because the ki resembles the shape of one yen coin...
Oh well, whatever.
>>> Genki-dama: An energy-borrowing attack Kaiou-sama teaches Goku. The
>>> fighter collects a little bit of ki from every living thing on
>>> the planet, forms it into a big energy ball, and toasts his
>>> opponent with it. Can only be performed with a "pure heart".]
>> Of all the characters in the show, only Goku has summoned the
>>Genki Dama, and only one other person, Kuririn, has been able to control
>>and direct it. I suspect that Kuririn NOW could summon it, if he was
>>so trained, but damn few others could. Its major drawback is that it
>>takes a hell of a long time to get going.
> There are a lot of techniques that Gokuu uses that other people could
>learn with training. Kaiou-ken, levitating, teleporting, Fusion. It's just
>that Gokuu rarely acts as a teacher, and no one else has visited Kaiou-sama,
>or planet Yardrat.
Actually, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozi have visited Kaiou-sama. It
was while Goku was on his way to Planet Namek, I believe. I'm sure you
remember it... Kaiou-sama wanted them to be able to make him laugh before they
were allowed to train with him, which gave Piccolo and Tenshinhan a hard time.
In the anime, they also had to chase after Bubbles, and Piccolo caught him very
quickly. Kaiou-sama never taught them Genki Dama, though, so Piccolo never
heard about it until Kuririn told him what Goku was trying to do (Piccolo:
"Damn Kaiou[sama?], he was holding out on us!")
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>of course!! there's also trunks finishing blaster
Is that the one he used on cyber Freezer?
And what was his big-hurkin' fireball that he nuked stage-1 cell with when he
returned to the future?
Steve Wallace
Dragonball Z Liberation Front
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Gautama Buddha <PXQ0...@niftyserve.or.jp> wrote:
>[Curtis responds::]
>>>Kamehame-ha -- A power blast. Originally, Kamesennin was the only one
>>> that could do this, after 50 years of training. Gokuu picked it
>>> up just by watching. (Kame means "turtle".) Jackie Chun is the
>>> third person to have been seen using this attack. Later on, a
>>> number of other characters start using it.
>> You DO realize that Jackie Chun = Kamesennin?
> Ummm, you DO realize that I'm the one that's been summarizing the entire
>series?
> Jackie Chun is known to the rest of the population of the Dragon World as
>the winner of several prior Budoukai's. As such, he is a recognized
>individual in his own right, and is even mentioned in the manga as being one
>of the people besides Kamesennin that can use Kamehame-ha (as far as normal
>people know.)
Yes, that's true, but I think if you're answering questions for
the AUDIENCE you have to make sure that both sides are covered. I went
through quite a bit of confusion when people were talking about a
"Ma Junior" fighting in a Tenkai-ichi-budoukai. Since I can only puzzle
out kana with long, painful effort, I obviously don't go through the
entire manga that way, and so I could clearly see Piccolo fighting Goku
and never could find one where Goku was fighting some other person that
I didn't recognize in the finals. Adding the notation you have above
for Jackie Chun and Ma Junior -- that the people in the world at that
time (or in JCs case, to this day) believed they were separate but that
in truth they are the same as their respective "pair-partners"-- will
eliminate any possibility of confusion. See?
>> Note about Kame-Hame-Ha: The reason it is difficult or impossible
>>to arrive at a "true" translation is that the attack's name was copied
>>directly from the name of the great Hawaiian hero, Kamehameha (pronounced
>>"Ka-may-ha may-ha" in Hawaii, rather than "kah-meh ha-meh ha" as in
>>the show); I'd guessed this a while back and had the guess confirmed
>>recently by someone who'd talked to Toriyama. Apparently Toriyama-sensei
>>either visited Hawaii or knew someone who did, and they had stayed at
>>the Kamehameha hotel...
> I'd be much happier if you had actual sources that could be confirmed
>here.
I'll ask Martin to specify exactly how he got the info; he was
the one who confirmed it for me.
> People have been speculating for YEARS that Kamehame-ha came from the
>name of the Hawaiian king. (And, unless I'm mistaken, your "guess" occurred
>some time after I printed the possibility on the net.)
? What's the point of your latter sentence? If you advanced said
theory, I never saw it. I first thought of it when reading one of N&P's
books that mentioned the Hawaiian hero. "Gee, that name is the same...
and lots of Japanese visit Hawaii... it would be in character for Toriyama.."
was my train of thought.
>> Note also that the Kame-Hame-HA is essentially the ONLY combat
>>technique to be still in use after the length of time it's been around.
>>I've heard it said that it's the ultimate combat technique, limited
>>only by the power of the user. Be that as it may, the Kame-hame-HA is
>>the ONLY "ki blast" which remains a formidable weapon from the time
>>of its introduction to the end of the series.
>
> All energy blasts are a function of the user's ki level. The difference
>between each energy blast is more in the form it takes, than in the damage
>it does. (Just like the attacks of any martial art, when the artist is at a
>high enough skill level.) And, Gokuu, Gohan, and Goten have the highest ki
>levels of anyone excepting possibly Trunks and Vejiita.
It seems to me that the others just don't scale up as well. End
of Cell sequence, for instance. Cell uses Kamehameha almost exclusively,
even though he has full access to the abilities of everyone else too.
Vegita's "Final Flash" only distracts Cell at the end (making it what, the
equivalent of a five year old punching Arnold Schwartzenegger?) while
Gohan (with ghost-Goku cheerleading) vaporizes the green guy... I suppose
that's the difference in Stage 1 and Stage 2? (Exponential progression).
>>>Other notes:
>>> Kamesennin originally said that it had taken him 50 years to master
>>> Kamehame-ha, but Gokuu picked it up right after seeing it used.
[...]
>> Yamucha and Kuririn are the next to learn it. By Dragonball Z,
>>it's a safe bet that all the Zed team know how to do the Kamehameha, even
>>though they have their own preferred techniques. I don't think Vegita
>>ever learns it, but I could be wrong. It's an extremely powerful, flexible,
>>and scalable attack.
>
> Where does Yamcha use it?
> Did Yamcha ever study under Kamesennin? I don't think so. Neither did
>Piccolo or Tenshinhan.
Yamucha uses it in the Tenkai-Ichi-Budokai against Tenshinhan.
And Yamucha most certainly DID study under Kamesenin! With Kuririn,
before that Budokai! I'm surprised you forgot!
Curtis Hoffmann
>In article <173F11329...@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>,
>R3...@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (densetsu no super saiyajin) writes:
>> There are also some one-shot, silly techniques used in the 21st Tenkaichi-
>>budookai:
>
>>Mutenrooshi: Sui-ken; "drunk technique". The user seemingly staggers about
>> uncontrollably, as if intoxicated, but is actually attacking and
>> dodging in a bizarre, unpredictable fashion.
>Haven't you ever heard of "Drunken Fist"? I think it's only logical that
>"Jackie Chun" should use it... After all, wasn't it Jackie Chen who made it
>famous (at least in Japan)?
Yes, this is from the Drunken Fist movie. It is easy to assume
that Toriyama stole the idea from the movie, since he's stated before
that the combat styles have been heavily influenced by Jackie Chan's
own style.
And, Jackie Chan is still very popular here. I was just watching a
game show on TV 30 minutes ago, and Jackie Chan was one of the
featured guests.
>> Minmin-ken; "sleep technique". Hypnotizes your opponent into
>> falling asleep.
>I believe Kamesennin called it something like "Good Baby Sleeping Technique,"
>but it was actually just hypnosis.
Yoiko Minmin Ken. The story guide lists this as a form of
hypnotism ("saiminjutsu"). The kanji for "minmin" is the same as in
saiminjutsu. However, while minmin is not in my dictionary, it is the
very hypnotic sound made by the damn cicadas that you can find
EVERYWHERE in this country. yoiko == Good Child.
>>Son Gokuu: Kyoo-ken; "dog technique". This name is a misnomer. "Kyoo"
>> actually means "cat". Gokuu basically acts like a savage dog,
>> throwing his opponent off balance.
>I believe the kanji for this would mean something to the effect of "Crazed
>Fist" (Crazed, or brutal, or monstrous, the word can mean several differnt
>things that have somewhat of a similar meaning), in which Goku acted brutally
>crazy... After Goku announced it as "Crazed Fist," Kamesennin (as Jackie Chun)
>commented (or rather complained) that Goku have gotten the word wrong, as it
>should really be "Crazed DOG," as in a mad dog, which is what Goku acted like.
You are correct.
>> Saru-ken; "monkey technique". Self explanitory.
>Yo, "ken" means "fist." (Just being picky, don't mind me)
Fist or technique. When I'd asked Hitoshi Doi about this, he
didn't think there was any reason to pick one over the other.
Therefore, we can translate Hokuto no Ken as "Fist of the Northstar",
or "Northstar Technique/School" depending on which is more appropriate
to the story.