[DBZ] Question about Buu's strength
Joan Lau
On 29 Nov 1995, Fran Kan wrote:
>
> Question:
>
> After Gokou and Vegeta save the other DBZ warrior out of Buu's body,
> shouldn't Buu be very weak? I meant to the point that maybe Kurrin is
> equal match with him (not possible since Kurrin's dead)
Buu became back to his's original stage, which is before he suck the 3
(or 4) kaioshins. The "Original Buu" is still very strong, and he has no
emotional that he likes to destroy things for no reason.
>
> But why does Buu still appeared to be matchable with 3rd stage Super Seiya
> Gokou?
Because he is not weak!!
>
> Also, did they ever explained how Buu was put alsleep earlier? I
> understand a magician wake Buu up.
He was seal by the Babidi's father (forgot his name) who is also the
creator of Buu.
Joan
Bora Lee
Fran Kan <ws...@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wrote:
>
>In the beginning, Buu keep gaining power by sucking other people in his body.
>I believe Gohan kick Buu's butt until Buu suck Picolo, Goten, and little
>Trunks. When i said kick butt, i really meant it, Buu didn't even stand
>a chance.
>
Buu sucked Gotenks initially (later, their fusion failed in Buu's body, making
Buu weaker).
>And after that, Gohan and Buu kinda get even and had a good
>fight(althought Buu probably is a little stronger).
Buugotenks (Buu + Gotenks) kicked Gohan's butt.
>Then Gokou appear
>and kick Buu's butt UNTIL Buu suck Gohan.
Gokou didn't stand a chance against Buugotenks. He was scared (I think) because
Buugotenks was about to attack him and Gohan couldn't find the damn earring.
Gokou had to change to SSJ3 and ready to be humiliated when Gotenks' fusion
failed and Buu lost the strength. Then Buu sucked Gohan...
>
>But Gogeta (Gokou + Vegeta) still kick Buu's butt.
That's Vegito in manga, and yes. He *really* kicked Buuhan(Buu+Gohan)'s butt
(even in candy form).
>
>Buu wins all the time cause no matter how he get blown up in million
>parts, he can still come back and live.
Apparently not with giant Genki-Dama (well, they had to end the story
somewhere...)
>
>Question:
>
>After Gokou and Vegeta save the other DBZ warrior out of Buu's body,
>shouldn't Buu be very weak? I meant to the point that maybe Kurrin is
>equal match with him (not possible since Kurrin's dead)
>
Remember Kaioshin's story about how Buu got that fat body? Buu sucked north
Kaioshin and Tai-Kaioshin, and after *that* Bibidi(sp?) was even able to
control Buu. My guess is that these Kaioshins were no match for Buu (and
hence no match for either SSJ3 Gotenks, Gohan or SSJ3 Gokou), so merging
with them didn't increase Buu's power whole lot. So I'd say that little
Buu (the final form) had about the same strength as the fat Buu (the initial
form), and remember SSJ3 Gokou was evenly matched with fat Buu so the
final battle between SSJ3 Gokou and little Buu makes sense (well, sort of...).
>But why does Buu still appeared to be matchable with 3rd stage Super Seiya
>Gokou?
>
>Also, did they ever explained how Buu was put alsleep earlier? I
>understand a magician wake Buu up.
>
Apparently, Bibidi (Babidi's father) was able to put Buu in a Dama-thingy
using some sort of a spell. To release Buu from this, they needed "pure
energy" so in the Buu saga, two of Babidi's minions appear in Tenkaichi-
Budokai and sucked energy from SSJ2 Gohan to release Buu, starting those
wacky battles between Saiya-jins and Buu. (BTW, Buu was actually revived
by the shock energy generated by SSJ2 Gokou - SSJ2 Vegeta battle...)
>Thanks
>Fran
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From the Valley
>In the beginning, Buu keep gaining power by sucking other people in his body.
>I believe Gohan kick Buu's butt until Buu suck Picolo, Goten, and little
>Trunks. When i said kick butt, i really meant it, Buu didn't even stand
>a chance.
>And after that, Gohan and Buu kinda get even and had a good
>fight(althought Buu probably is a little stronger). Then Gokou appear
>and kick Buu's butt UNTIL Buu suck Gohan.
Actually, Goku was only able to beat Buu then because the fusion time had run
out for Gotenks, so he got signifigantly weaker.
>But Gogeta (Gokou + Vegeta) still kick Buu's butt.
>Buu wins all the time cause no matter how he get blown up in million
>parts, he can still come back and live.
>Question:
>After Gokou and Vegeta save the other DBZ warrior out of Buu's body,
>shouldn't Buu be very weak? I meant to the point that maybe Kurrin is
>equal match with him (not possible since Kurrin's dead)
>But why does Buu still appeared to be matchable with 3rd stage Super Seiya
>Gokou?
Vegeta removed the cord that connected Buu with Fat Buu. Fat Buu was created
when the true Majin Buu sucked in two Kaioushins, which downgraded Buu's power
signifigantly, and also had an effect on his personality, in which he was
actually more controllable.
>Also, did they ever explained how Buu was put alsleep earlier? I
>understand a magician wake Buu up.
Majin Buu was created by a magician by the name of Bibidi. Bibidi was able to
seal Buu up before he died (he sealed Buu up because he couldn't control Buu).
I believe Kaioushin killed Bibidi after he sealed Buu up.
Babadi, Bibidi's son, came along and wanted to release Buu from the seal, but
needed more power, so that Buu would be at his full strength before being
released.
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Fran Kan
In the beginning, Buu keep gaining power by sucking other people in his body.
I believe Gohan kick Buu's butt until Buu suck Picolo, Goten, and little
Trunks. When i said kick butt, i really meant it, Buu didn't even stand
a chance.
And after that, Gohan and Buu kinda get even and had a good
fight(althought Buu probably is a little stronger). Then Gokou appear
and kick Buu's butt UNTIL Buu suck Gohan.
But Gogeta (Gokou + Vegeta) still kick Buu's butt.
Buu wins all the time cause no matter how he get blown up in million
parts, he can still come back and live.
Question:
After Gokou and Vegeta save the other DBZ warrior out of Buu's body,
shouldn't Buu be very weak? I meant to the point that maybe Kurrin is
equal match with him (not possible since Kurrin's dead)
But why does Buu still appeared to be matchable with 3rd stage Super Seiya
Gokou?
Also, did they ever explained how Buu was put alsleep earlier? I
understand a magician wake Buu up.
Thanks
Fran
Fran Kan
>Vegeta removed the cord that connected Buu with Fat Buu. Fat Buu was created
>when the true Majin Buu sucked in two Kaioushins, which downgraded Buu's power
>signifigantly, and also had an effect on his personality, in which he was
>actually more controllable.
ok, one more mystery then, why is there a "Fat Buu" in the body of Buu
and not the "Kaioshin"s themselve?
if Fat Buu exist inside Buu's body, shouldn't Buugoten and Buugohan be
inside... or...?
i can only think of one reason... Buu suck Kaioshin for too long and it
get digested? but... anything officially mentioned, in Manga or TV?
Fran
Ian Kelley
ws...@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) wrote:
> In the beginning, Buu keep gaining power by sucking other people in his body.
> I believe Gohan kick Buu's butt until Buu suck Picolo, Goten, and little
> Trunks. When i said kick butt, i really meant it, Buu didn't even stand
> a chance.
>
> And after that, Gohan and Buu kinda get even and had a good
> fight(althought Buu probably is a little stronger). Then Gokou appear
> and kick Buu's butt UNTIL Buu suck Gohan.
>
This is almost right. After Gotenks and Piccolo were absorbed, Buu became
more powerful than Gohan. Goku came back to help Gohan, but never actually
fought Buu himself. If he had, Buu would have wiped up the floor with him,
even his SSJ3 form :) He just brought the earring for Gohan. Goku SSJ3 is
not even a match for Buu without Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed. Thats why
he started to get scared after he and Vejita split inside Buu.
> But Gogeta (Gokou + Vegeta) still kick Buu's butt.
>
Definitely! Even as a coffee candy Vejito was kicking his butt!
> Question:
>
> After Gokou and Vegeta save the other DBZ warrior out of Buu's body,
> shouldn't Buu be very weak? I meant to the point that maybe Kurrin is
> equal match with him (not possible since Kurrin's dead)
>
Once Goku and Vejita save all the other guys, (not counting fat Buu) his
power would go down to the Buu that Gohan first fought after getting his
massive power-up from Kaioshin. (I call this guy Super Buu like in the PSX
game :P) Even still at this point the only ones who could have beaten him
would be Gohan or maybe Gotenks since the earrings were destroyed. Wonder
what a Goku-Gohan fusion would be like? Now that's POWER!
> But why does Buu still appeared to be matchable with 3rd stage Super Seiya
> Gokou?
>
If you're talking about original Buu, (the kid once Fat Buu was saved from
inside Buu) Goku's SSJ3 is about the same level, though a little less
powerful. My guess is that Original Buu is a little less powerful than
Super Buu, since Goku SSJ3 isn't powerful enough to handle Super Buu (even
SSJ3 Gotenks was only about the same level of power.) But Original Buu is
still in a way a lot more dangerous because he has even less reservations
about blowing up anything and everything that stands in his way.
> Also, did they ever explained how Buu was put alsleep earlier? I
> understand a magician wake Buu up.
>
That would be Babidi. Babidi's father Bibidi sealed Buu up in an egg with
a magic spell. Babidi released him with the energy from Gohan plus the
energy released in Goku and Vejita's fight.
On a side note, a couple of days ago I watched a bit of Disney's
Cinderella in a friend's dorm room...when the good fairy cast her spell
she said "Bibidi, Babidi, Buu"...is this a coincidence? :)
--Ian
Joan Lau
On 30 Nov 1995, Fran Kan wrote:
>
> ok, one more mystery then, why is there a "Fat Buu" in the body of Buu
> and not the "Kaioshin"s themselve?
Because Fat Buu was suck more recently, those Kaioshin was suck millions
years ago.
>
> if Fat Buu exist inside Buu's body, shouldn't Buugoten and Buugohan be
> inside... or...?
Goten, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo are inside Buu's body too.
>
> i can only think of one reason... Buu suck Kaioshin for too long and it
> get digested? but... anything officially mentioned, in Manga or TV?
Yes, you are right? It didn't mentioned in the story because you suppose
to use your common sense.
Joan
>
>
Ian Kelley
ws...@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) wrote:
>
> ok, one more mystery then, why is there a "Fat Buu" in the body of Buu
> and not the "Kaioshin"s themselve?
>
inside the body of Fat Buu, who is also inside the body of Buu. Come to
think of it, this could be a problem...if somebody manages to remove the
Kaioshins from Fat Buu, he'd revert back to Original Buu, and they'd have
to fight him all over again :)
> if Fat Buu exist inside Buu's body, shouldn't Buugoten and Buugohan be
> inside... or...?
>
The reason Fat Buu is inside Buu's body is because Skinny Buu absorbed Fat
Buu when he ate him. The Piccolo, Gotenks, and Gohan Buus are just Buu
using the powers of those he absorbed. So in this case, Fat Buu counts as
one of the absorbees.
> i can only think of one reason... Buu suck Kaioshin for too long and it
> get digested? but... anything officially mentioned, in Manga or TV?
>
I'm not sure if it's different in the TV series, since I've only seen the
manga, but I'd say that the absorbed Fat Buu is Original Buu along with
the Kaioshins absorbed. (Remember how one of the Kaioshins was really fat
and looked a lot like Fat Buu?
> Fran
--Ian
Bora Lee
Joan Lau <jl...@arcturus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>
>
>On 30 Nov 1995, Fran Kan wrote:
>
>>
>> ok, one more mystery then, why is there a "Fat Buu" in the body of Buu
>> and not the "Kaioshin"s themselve?
>
>years ago.
>
Hm. I think it's because that Buu (oh darn... this is going to be confusing)
Ok. Stop. First, here's the "Buu diagram":
Long time ago: Babidi creates Buu ("little Buu")...
Then:
Little Buu -> Buu NK (after sucking North Kaioshin)
Buu NK -> Fat Buu (after sucking Dai-Kaioushin)
Fat Buu was sealed by Babidi. Babidi dies. Bibidi revives Fat Buu...
Fat Buu ---> "evil" Buu (created from Fat Buu's anger)
|
--> Fat Buu
evil Buu "ate" Fat Buu (in chocolate form) -> Buu
Buu -> Bugotenks (after sucking Gotenks)
Bugotenks -> Buucolo (after Gotenk's fusion failed inside Buu)
Buucolo -> Buuhan (after sucking Gohan)
Buuhan -> Buu -> Buu NK -> little Buu (after Vegita & Goku
ripped Fat Buu off inside Buu)
So, you see, those Kaioshins are inside Fat Buu, who is inside Buu.
So if you go inside Fat Buu's body I'm sure you'll be able to find
those Kaioshins somewhere.
I hope this clears up everything 8).
P.S. I can see a whole bunch of more questions coming.... Like:
* If you go inside Fat Buu and "rescue" those Kaioshins, would there be two
"little Buu"'s?
* Since Buu changes to Buucolo when the gotenks fusion failed, does this
mean that Piccolo is stronger than Goten or Trunks?
* Does Buu have the ability to duplicate him(?)self?
* Why didn't fat Buu transform when he ate Danbura(sp?)?
* Does eating a chocolate form of someone and "sucking" someone have the
same effect?
* etc. etc. ......
From the Valley
>As far as I can remember, in the TV series, they feature the fight
>between the Original Buu and the 3 (or 4, don't remember exactly)
>Kaioshins, one Kaioshin is really fat and likes to eat, one is really
>strong and huge (the strongest?), and one is a female Kaioshin (pretty
Yeah, he's the strongest. According to the manga, anyway.
>cute). First, O. Buu absort the female Kaioshin first, and then the huge
>one (buu became huge) and at last absorb the fat one (which became the
>fat buu).
According to the manga, one of the Kaioushins was killed (it didn't say what
he/she looked like, or anything else about him/her, so I don't know if it was a
female). Then, Buu absorbed the strongest of the Kaioushins. The fat
Kaioushin was to follow. The fat Kaioushin was very mild and gentle, and since
neither of them were very strong compared to Buu, Buu's power became less, and
he became somewhat more controllable (due to the fat Kaioushin's personality).
Joan Lau
On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Ian Kelley wrote:
> > i can only think of one reason... Buu suck Kaioshin for too long and it
> > get digested? but... anything officially mentioned, in Manga or TV?
> >
> I'm not sure if it's different in the TV series, since I've only seen the
> manga, but I'd say that the absorbed Fat Buu is Original Buu along with
> the Kaioshins absorbed. (Remember how one of the Kaioshins was really fat
> and looked a lot like Fat Buu?
>
> --Ian
>
As far as I can remember, in the TV series, they feature the fight
between the Original Buu and the 3 (or 4, don't remember exactly)
Kaioshins, one Kaioshin is really fat and likes to eat, one is really
strong and huge (the strongest?), and one is a female Kaioshin (pretty
cute). First, O. Buu absort the female Kaioshin first, and then the huge
one (buu became huge) and at last absorb the fat one (which became the
fat buu).
Joan
From the Valley
>Hm. I think it's because that Buu (oh darn... this is going to be confusing)
>Ok. Stop. First, here's the "Buu diagram":
>Long time ago: Babidi creates Buu ("little Buu")...
>Then:
> Little Buu -> Buu NK (after sucking North Kaioshin)
> Buu NK -> Fat Buu (after sucking Dai-Kaioushin)
>Fat Buu was sealed by Babidi. Babidi dies. Bibidi revives Fat Buu...
> Fat Buu ---> "evil" Buu (created from Fat Buu's anger)
> |
> --> Fat Buu
> evil Buu "ate" Fat Buu (in chocolate form) -> Buu
> Buu -> Bugotenks (after sucking Gotenks)
> Bugotenks -> Buucolo (after Gotenk's fusion failed inside Buu)
> Buucolo -> Buuhan (after sucking Gohan)
> Buuhan -> Buu -> Buu NK -> little Buu (after Vegita & Goku
> ripped Fat Buu off inside Buu)
I understand what you are saying (actually, I understood before you did the
diagram, and so it doesn't confuse me at all), but something doesn't add up
here... Simplifying the equation, you see that "Fat Buu" + "Evil Buu" = "Buu"
(or as the PSX game calls him, "Super Buu", and to aviod confusion, from
hereonforth I shall to refer to him thus.)
Shouldn't that mean that "Super Buu" - "Fat Buu" = "Evil Buu"?
>So, you see, those Kaioshins are inside Fat Buu, who is inside Buu.
>So if you go inside Fat Buu's body I'm sure you'll be able to find
>those Kaioshins somewhere.
>I hope this clears up everything 8).
The only thing is this: Not everyone who gets absorbed are stored up in
little cacoon-like things inside Buu's body. "Super Buu" himself said that
"Fat Buu" got some special treatment from him, that's why he was still there.
I assume that he means the people he ate are digested, and with the exception
of "Fat Buu," who, instead of getting digested, became stored in that cacoon
thing, as if he'd been absorbed through different means (ie. part of Buu's
body envelopes him, like Gotenks, Gohan, etc.). This probably means that he
can probably "digest" people that he didn't get through eating.
In the anime, how were the Kaioushins shown being absorbed? Eaten or
enveloped? (Well, it doesn't make too much difference, anyway)
>P.S. I can see a whole bunch of more questions coming.... Like:
>* If you go inside Fat Buu and "rescue" those Kaioshins, would there be two
> "little Buu"'s?
No, because (even if the Kaioushins are there) Buu never split off into two
while he was fighting Kaioushins, therefore didn't absorb differnt Buus, so
there can't be any little Buus inside of him.
>* Since Buu changes to Buucolo when the gotenks fusion failed, does this
> mean that Piccolo is stronger than Goten or Trunks?
We can assume the Goten and Trunks are somewhere in the mid to high level of
Super Saiyajin 1, since they were never shown in SSJ2 form. I doubt that they
were as strong as Goku during the Cell Game, or like "Super Vegeta" (just
before the Cell Game). Since Piccolo was clearly stronger than a level one
Super Saiyajin (after he re-merged with Kami-sama), I'd say that Piccolo
probably is stronger than Goten and Trunks. However, it didn't seem that way
when Goku told them to powerup before teaching them the fusion-waza, so who
knows?
>* Does Buu have the ability to duplicate him(?)self?
Well, he can definately split himself into multiple parts, each part looking
like a minaturized version of himself, so I guess he can... Though I don't
know how stron these split up Buus are compared to a single one (they ought to
be weaker, but there's not a sure way to tell).
>* Why didn't fat Buu transform when he ate Danbura(sp?)?
Because he digested him instead of absorbing him.
>* Does eating a chocolate form of someone and "sucking" someone have the
> same effect?
Depends on Buu's intention for eating someone.
>* etc. etc. ......
Did I confuse anyone?
Grant Otsuki
>wacky battles between Saiya-jins and Buu. (BTW, Buu was actually revived
>by the shock energy generated by SSJ2 Gokou - SSJ2 Vegeta battle...)
Nope, In the last few pages of book 38, Babidi says that Majin Buu
reached full power from the damage energy from Goku. The way I
understand it, after Babidi takes control of someone like he did to
Vejita, any damage that that person causes is turned automatically
sent to Buu's egg. That would explain why Babidi gets so happy after
Vejita kills all those people at the Budokai and also why the guy that
fought beedle in the budokai beat her almost to death instead of
throwing her out of bounds.
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Wei-Hwa Huang
>he/she looked like, or anything else about him/her, so I don't know if it was a
>female). Then, Buu absorbed the strongest of the Kaioushins. The fat
>Kaioushin was to follow. The fat Kaioushin was very mild and gentle, and since
>neither of them were very strong compared to Buu, Buu's power became less, and
>he became somewhat more controllable (due to the fat Kaioushin's personality).
This explains why after Fat Buu was removed from the body of Buu, Buu first
grew very muscular before reverting to the form he eventually died in.
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> On a side note, a couple of days ago I watched a bit of Disney's
> Cinderella in a friend's dorm room...when the good fairy cast her spell
> she said "Bibidi, Babidi, Buu"...is this a coincidence? :)
From what I heard, it's not a coincidence : Toriyama really took these
names from Disney cinderella. But I could be wrong.
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