Pink Anime has got to go!!!!!!
Amaro Rey
of "Pink" anime.
Why!? Because the potential damage that "Pink" anime can do to the
American anime market is threatening to the well being of anime
world-wide. If companys like AD Vision and Star Anime Enterprises don't
want to be responsible and release other kinds of anime (Like
Science-fiction, action-adventure, or childrens shows) then they should
just pack their bags and move on, the anime market will thank you later.
Here is the problem, sex is an extremely touchy subject to the American
public, (It just is don't ask me why!?) and any number of TV news
programs, tabloids, and religous groups would not hesitate to blow the
whole situation out of proportion saying things like "Japan's Smut!" or
"Disney would Turn Over in his Grave!" and generalizing the art form I
love into something that only introverted, lonely, perverts enjoy (LIKE
INTERNET)
Now please, if you truely care about the art form of anime, (Like I do)
then write "AD Vision", "SAE" and even "Central Park Media" requesting
that the saturate the anime market with a little more variety then "Pink"
anime.
So watch out, after the smoke clears on this OJ Simpson case, don't be
suprised if the local television news starts a new story about "Anime:
XXX", "Japanimotion", or "AD Vision: Porn Brokers" And if this does
happen, don't come crying to me!!
End of message...>>>>
Amaro Rey
"Freedom Fighter"
"God"
-"What's the matter with giving the fans what they want??"
-"Nothing, if you concider the drug dealer on fifth avenue justified in
his business transactions!!!"
Snowhare
> I'm writing this post to request the slowing of the American distribution
> of "Pink" anime.
No.
> -"What's the matter with giving the fans what they want??"
> -"Nothing, if you concider the drug dealer on fifth avenue justified in
> his business transactions!!!"
Actually - I do.
Alcohol prohibition resulted in rival gang wars where innocent
bystanders were killed in turf wars with automatic and semi-automatic
weapons, the creation of a rich and powerful organized criminal element,
widespread disrespect of the law and was a miserable failure in all respects.
Oddly enough - drug prohibition did the same thing.
--
Benjamin Franz
"It is *everyone's* right to go to hell their own way."
"No - I don't use drugs. And I consider you stupid if you do."
"MYOB"
Amaro Rey
(Snowhare) writes:
>>No.
Well, well, well, I see we have a moron in our ranks. Do you realize the
rut that anime is in?! Or are you just a loser that has no life, and
who's only exposure to sex period is "Pink" anime, porn filcks, and
Playboys.
The video game industry is in a similar rut to the one that anime is in
now. All they want to make are fighting games. Do you want anime to take
that turn? Or do you care very little for the state of anime in America?
Well, I've said my peace!
>>Actually - I do.
>Alcohol prohibition resulted in rival gang wars where innocent
>bystanders were killed in turf wars with automatic and semi-automatic
>weapons, the creation of a rich and powerful organized criminal element,
>widespread disrespect of the law and was a miserable failure in all
respects.
>Oddly enough - drug prohibition did the same thing.
Gee, its good that you feel that drug dealers are justified in their
work!!!
I said, "What's wrong with the dealer!?" not "What's wrong with drugs!?"
Amaro Rey
"Freedom Fighter"
"God"
-When I write some thing here, I am quoting out of context! So don't
comment on any of this!!!!!
Brian Fan
: Well, well, well, I see we have a moron in our ranks. Do you realize the
: rut that anime is in?! Or are you just a loser that has no life, and
: who's only exposure to sex period is "Pink" anime, porn filcks, and
: Playboys.
Now, now, no need for name calling. Just because somebody doesn't agree
with your opinion doesn't mean you have the right to call him a "moron".
I agree somewhat with your original post, but you have to realize that
"Pink" anime is not all that's out there. And if you do, you're not
looking hard enough. I admit, it does pose a problem imagewise, but you
can't just tell AD Vision or other companies to stop doing it because it
doesn't fit your idea of a "clean" anime industry. There is no such
thing. In the movies, there are those adult restricted movies. In anime
there is adult anime. To do just say the hell with it and ban the stuff
is taking a whole genre out of anime.
Don't get me wrong. I hate UrutsokiDoji and everything that AD Vision
(or now SoftCel) distributes. But unfortunately, for every person that
calls them up and says, "I don't like what you're doing", there are more
who say "Release more!". It's the law of the market economy.
Don't give up though. Maybe enough pressure out there will force them to
change their focus.
: The video game industry is in a similar rut to the one that anime is in
: now. All they want to make are fighting games. Do you want anime to take
: that turn? Or do you care very little for the state of anime in America?
Anime is my hobby. And yes, I do care for it. If it gets bad press,
then phone up those journalists and set them straight. Remember, the
press can manipulate the masses, but the masses can manipulate the
press. We can also promote such classics as "Totoro" and make them get
more press than adult anime.
: Well, I've said my peace!
And I've said mine.
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Amaro Rey <amar...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <3b7c1s$3...@xmission.xmission.com>, snow...@xmission.com
>(Snowhare) writes:
>
>>>No.
>Well, well, well, I see we have a moron in our ranks.
Hmm. At least he had a better argument than someone
who resorts to insults at the first sign of opposition.
--
E n r i q u e C o n t y
"Do you ever watch movies with real people in them?"
co...@mcs.com
Amaro Rey
(Brian Fan) writes:
>>Now, now, no need for name calling. Just because somebody doesn't agree
with your opinion doesn't mean you have the right to call him a "moron".
Actually, the reason that I called him a moron is because it appeared that
he was rebuting a completely different post then the one I wrote....
>>Actually - I do.
>Alcohol prohibition resulted in rival gang wars where innocent
>bystanders were killed in turf wars with automatic and semi-automatic
>weapons, the creation of a rich and powerful organized criminal element,
>widespread disrespect of the law and was a miserable failure in all
respects.
>Oddly enough - drug prohibition did the same thing.
The statement I wrote was concerning the exploitation of the laws of the
land for the personal gain of someone who should hold a real job like
everyone else.
Amaro Rey
"Freedom Fighter"
"God"
-"I've been a charter accountant for twenty years, and I still don't feel
like I'm stuck in a rut, stuck in a rut, stuck in a rut, stuck in a
rut..."
Ryan Mathews
In a previous article, amar...@aol.com (Amaro Rey) says:
>I'm writing this post to request the slowing of the American distribution
>of "Pink" anime.
>
>Why!? Because the potential damage that "Pink" anime can do to the
>American anime market is threatening to the well being of anime
>world-wide. If companys like AD Vision and Star Anime Enterprises don't
>want to be responsible and release other kinds of anime then they should
>just pack their bags and move on, the anime market will thank you later.
First, AD Vision *has* released other kinds of anime. Secondly, what you're
talking about is censorship, and I can't abide by that.
I don't mind the proliferation of "pink anime" myself, partly because I
have a slight "H"-tooth :-), partly because it's not as bad as you think.
Only AD Vision specializes in the pink stuff. USMC, AnimEigo, Pioneer, and the
forthcoming Manga Video haven't released an erotic title between them, save
UROTSUKIDOJI and U-JIN BRAND. As for Star Anime Enterprises, they only have
the one title so far, correct?
As for the tabloid media, they're gonna make us look bad no matter what we do.
It's their job, after all. Let's face it, the only anime they can't find
something objectionable in is stuff like TOTORO. It doesn't need to be pink
anime to have a shower scene or blown apart bodies.
The answer isn't in restrictions on what can be released. What we need to do
is draw more attention to the titles we're proud to be fans of, and away from
those that make us blush.
---------- Ryan Mathews
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S0ren Ashe
: In article <3b7c1s$3...@xmission.xmission.com>, snow...@xmission.com
: (Snowhare) writes:
: >>No.
: Well, well, well, I see we have a moron in our ranks. Do you realize the
: rut that anime is in?! Or are you just a loser that has no life, and
: who's only exposure to sex period is "Pink" anime, porn filcks, and
: Playboys.
You are failing to distinguish between your fantasized images of someone's
life and habits and issues of law and social policy. I hope you get
yourself into a more rational frame of mind before you vote, and that
your decisions on public policy are made from a more principaled and
less emotional posture.
: >>Actually - I do.
: >Alcohol prohibition resulted in rival gang wars where innocent
: >bystanders were killed in turf wars with automatic and semi-automatic
: >weapons, the creation of a rich and powerful organized criminal element,
: >widespread disrespect of the law and was a miserable failure in all
: respects.
: >Oddly enough - drug prohibition did the same thing.
: Gee, its good that you feel that drug dealers are justified in their
: work!!!
You are not reading with good comprehension. The person you're
arguing with said no such thing. It is an observable pattern in
our history that prohibition produces rich criminals, an aura of
attractiveness about the prohibited commodity, and contempt for
unenforcable laws. There is no such aura about Sterno drinking,
and "oddly enough" Sterno is available at any hardware store...
and few teens and pre-teens are interested in experimenting with
it, because it has an "accurate" aura: that of a terminal losing
feral human dying in a doorway. This ought to be the image adhering
to most destructive vices such as cocaine or crystal, or injectable
opiates, and were they cheaply available, with no patina of
illicit millions, expensive cars, gold jewelry, and media hysteria,
they might have sunk to that level in the public consciousness.
: I said, "What's wrong with the dealer!?" not "What's wrong with drugs!?"
The real issue is "What's wrong with freedom?" Freedom of choice
implies that some people will make choices others don't like. If they
choose wrong, they will die...or at least fail to thrive. But if
a paternal society forbids them choice, then more will seek to
circumvent the prohibition out of sheer human contrariness, and
the problem will be exacerbated. Sadly, there is dogma available
by the ton, and wisdom in short supply.
: Amaro Rey
: "Freedom Fighter"
: "God"
Wasn't it Amuro with a 'u'?
S.
Weldon Chen
Ryan Mathews <bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>
>In a previous article, amar...@aol.com (Amaro Rey) says:
>
>>I'm writing this post to request the slowing of the American distribution
>>of "Pink" anime.
>>
>>Why!? Because the potential damage that "Pink" anime can do to the
>>American anime market is threatening to the well being of anime
>>world-wide. If companys like AD Vision and Star Anime Enterprises don't
>>want to be responsible and release other kinds of anime then they should
>>just pack their bags and move on, the anime market will thank you later.
>
>First, AD Vision *has* released other kinds of anime. Secondly, what you're
>talking about is censorship, and I can't abide by that.
>
Sigh. I'l have to agree with Ryan. "pink" anime and worse will always be
out there, and there will be people who want more, but that's life in the
real universe.
Also, I fail to read anything in your post about what qualifies for "pink"
anime. yes, Legend of the Overfiend qualifies, but does Macross, does KOR,
does Ranma 1/2, does Tenchi-Muyo? All of them have some scenes that some
people think is too little (i.e. Minmay's shower scene, Madoka in the bath,
Ranma-chan in general, etc. etc. etc).
Does "pink" include just sex, or does it include nudity too? What about
general violence? Should Companies pack their bags because the potential
danger of violence in anime? Then Gundam, Battle Angel, Ranma 1/2, Macross,
and a whole bunch of others might be "banned."
In my opinion, NO! One of the reasons I like Anime is because of the
various range of stories it has. As Ryan said, the best thing to do is
show (or educate) others your favorite anime. If they think Anime is
nothing but "pink" anime, then you have a nice quest to show them other
stuff.
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can take out your face,
or an eyeball, at least).
The Stirge
> In article <3b7c1s$3...@xmission.xmission.com>, snow...@xmission.com
> (Snowhare) writes:
>
OK! that's it! Mr. Amory self proclamied anime crusader against H anime
is starting to really irritate me. Quite possibly its because he's
an AOL user :) (Geez one AOL user ruins the bunch :)
>
> Well, well, well, I see we have a moron in our ranks. Do you realize the
> rut that anime is in?! Or are you just a loser that has no life, and
> who's only exposure to sex period is "Pink" anime, porn filcks, and
> Playboys.
Uh excuse me Mr. Rey (*whap**whap*) your "Pink" anime, is still not the top
selling genre of Anime out there, I would guess it's Ranma 1/2, BGC,
Akira, Robotech etc To say that Pink anime (from now on I will call it H
anime)) is slowly taking over all of the anime video industry and
turing us into drooling perverts. Is an insult to many, many fans that
enjoy Ecchi anime from time to time.
I would be willing to bet an LD (that's right folks a legitimate bet to
Mr. Rey if he accepts) that there are more Ranma 1/2 fans, BGC fans and
UY fans than there are "H" anime fans.
(of course I want that Cream Lemon LD.. If I win)
> The video game industry is in a similar rut to the one that anime is in
> now. All they want to make are fighting games. Do you want anime to take
> that turn? Or do you care very little for the state of anime in America?
Here ya go Rey, take a Valium (tm) in fact keep taking them until the whole
bottle is gone. And down this bottle of Barcardi 151 after youre' done.
Because you need to CHILL OUT!
Uh... sit down Rey cause this might upset you.. (ehhehe) but there is a very
good selection of H anime at Laser Perceptions, Planet Anime, and other LD
shops that carry original Japanese LD's. (snicker) Oh no, and if they don't
have it.. you can always order it.
So scream at AD Vision all you want to.. Because AD aint really making the
anime they're just "reprocessing" it. If you want to blame somebody write
the makers (remember your Kanji and honnorifics) Tell Soft Cell, and
Pony Canyon, that you hate their Adult films and that they shouldn't sell
it in America ^_^ that their "Pink" anime is ruining the American Anime
scene. Ill even send you the stamps if you ask :)
Your solution of stopping the flood is like putting your finger in one leak
in the 100 leak dam.. (cant stop the flood can ya?)
Otherwise Mr. Rey you want to "enhance" the Image of Anime by excluding
(in your opinion) "Bad" "H" anime? Well I have news for you. You are
trying to promote a distorted image of anime, Anime is a dynamic artform
that covers ALL of the entertainment spectrum. Thats what makes it a
unique. Thats what makes it stand out from American cartooning. With
the good you have to take the bad.
Frankly, I think you are intimidated by what you think your peers might
think they see you watching, afraid that they may make a sterotype about your
watching habits. Well I have news for you, you have joined the group that
sterotypes as anime as perverted cartooning. Shame on you.
If I find you, im gonna pull out my superdimentional 100 ton hammer and
pound ya.. (-_^) (wink, wink). Then Im gonna sick a Overfiend beastie on
you for a tentacle love session :). That i'll teach ya!
"Phuck Censorship"
--
Ackerman
acke...@fred.com
"Fredom Fighter"
"Otakuwannabe"
(Since everyone that has been adding quote's to the end of the message I
guess I should follow the trend)
"My Karma ran over your Dogma"
OK, so it's totally irrelevant, but its a pretty cool quote .... :)
Michael Studte
In article <3b6rcu$j...@newsbf01.news.aol.com> amar...@aol.com writes:
>
> I'm writing this post to request the slowing of the American distribution
> of "Pink" anime.
>
Fat chance of that. A lot more damage was done with "red" (blood red)
titles like "Legend of the Overfiend", especially here in Australia.
The real dangerous titles are ones like the Manga titles like the
above, especially when they promote them with fliers that use large red
letters across the page "SEX, GORE AND ULTRA VIOLENCE" and "ORIGINALLY
BANNED, Now it's being unleashed!!!".
The "Pink" titles are harmless.
> So watch out, after the smoke clears on this OJ Simpson case, don't be
> suprised if the local television news starts a new story about "Anime:
> XXX", "Japanimotion", or "AD Vision: Porn Brokers" And if this does
> happen, don't come crying to me!!
<yawn> Most of these titles aren't going to get any press, unless they
get big promotion deals like Manga has done on purpose.
> Amaro Rey
Once you get your name right, I'll believe you.
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DogSupreme
(The Stirge) writes:
>OK! that's it! Mr. Amory self proclamied anime crusader against H anime
>is starting to really irritate me. Quite possibly its because he's
>an AOL user :) (Geez one AOL user ruins the bunch :)
Not all AOLers are idiots (well, alot of them are). This Amaro guy has
been whining for months on the Anime/Manga forum on AOL. If he can't
take the heat he should turn off the V.C.R.
DS
Jay Andrew Allen
>
> I'm writing this post to request the slowing of the American distribution
> of "Pink" anime.
>
> Why!? Because the potential damage that "Pink" anime can do to the
> American anime market is threatening to the well being of anime
> world-wide. If companys like AD Vision and Star Anime Enterprises don't
> want to be responsible and release other kinds of anime (Like
> Science-fiction, action-adventure, or childrens shows) then they should
> just pack their bags and move on, the anime market will thank you later.
>
> Here is the problem, sex is an extremely touchy subject to the American
> public, (It just is don't ask me why!?) and any number of TV news
> programs, tabloids, and religous groups would not hesitate to blow the
> whole situation out of proportion saying things like "Japan's Smut!" or
> "Disney would Turn Over in his Grave!" and generalizing the art form I
> love into something that only introverted, lonely, perverts enjoy (LIKE
> INTERNET)
If people wish to form fantastic conclusions on the basis of only
one portion of the existing American anime market, that is their
problem. I think most people are intelligent enough to buy into
such nonsense.
To ask AD Vision, etc., to cowtow to the irrationality of media
hounds and spin doctors is pretty disgusting. It's the attitude one
would expect to find in a dictatorship, not in a country where
everybody is free to speak his mind.
America's Judeo-Christian attitude toward sex is wrong, and it should
be challenged, not placated. Ask a homosexual who's been in the closet
for ten years where a policy of "placation" gets you.
-J-
Seth Green
>America's Judeo-Christian attitude toward sex is wrong
Wasn't this post warning of the dangers of over-generalizing ???? :)
Seth
Joe Perez
: : The video game industry is in a similar rut to the one that anime is in
: : now. All they want to make are fighting games. Do you want anime to take
: : that turn? Or do you care very little for the state of anime in America?
A rut??? The game companies can't count the money they are amking fast
enough, and those "fighting games" are selling faster than they can be
made. Are they any good? Probobly not. But they are still going to be
made because it's what the game players want. Certainly you don't think
that AD VISION is releasing this stuff stuff planning on it selling to
non-anime types, but pervs who will take smut in any form? They think
it's what the otakus want, and by their sales figures, I'd say they were
right before I'd agree with you.
: Anime is my hobby. And yes, I do care for it. If it gets bad press,
: then phone up those journalists and set them straight. Remember, the
: press can manipulate the masses, but the masses can manipulate the
: press. We can also promote such classics as "Totoro" and make them get
: more press than adult anime.
: : Well, I've said my peace!
: And I've said mine.
: --
And I've said mine (until i feel like saying some more ;-) ).
The Rocket-hammer
Joe Perez
Len Lekx
> It's their job, after all. Let's face it, the only anime they can't find
> something objectionable in is stuff like TOTORO. It doesn't need to be pink
> anime to have a shower scene or blown apart bodies.
Well, I can even see some in the media objecting to Totoro. After all, it
has a scene where (gasp!) father and kids are BATHING together... possibly
suggesting an incestuous relationship... (^_-)
--
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(1:250/74...@fidonet.org )
Benjamin Turner
S>> I'm writing this post to request the slowing of the American
S>> distribution of "Pink" anime.
S>[...]
S>No.
Short. Concise. To-the-point. I like it. Too bad it's wrong. :)
S>> -"What's the matter with giving the fans what they want??"
S>> -"Nothing, if you concider the drug dealer on fifth avenue justified
S>> in his business transactions!!!"
S>Actually - I do.
S>Alcohol prohibition resulted in rival gang wars where innocent
S>bystanders were killed in turf wars with automatic and semi-automatic
S>weapons, the creation of a rich and powerful organized criminal
S>element, widespread disrespect of the law and was a miserable failure
S>in all respects.
Oh, boy. Here we go. ANOTHER person who responds without bothering to
pay attention. Nowhere in the entire original message was there any
mention of laws prohibiting this type of Anime. It just pointed out the
damage it would do to the reputation of Anime in this country.
S>Oddly enough - drug prohibition did the same thing.
S>--
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-Benjamin Turner, The Sixth Planeteer, Otaku-Wannabe
---
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Benjamin Turner
AR>distribution of "Pink" anime.
WOW! Somebody on raa I agree with! Cool!
AR>Why!? Because the potential damage that "Pink" anime can do to the
AR>American anime market is threatening to the well being of anime
AR>world-wide. If companys like AD Vision and Star Anime Enterprises
AR>don't want to be responsible and release other kinds of anime (Like
AR>Science-fiction, action-adventure, or childrens shows) then they
AR>should just pack their bags and move on, the anime market will thank
AR>you later.
Yeah. Manga Video is a perfect example outside the US.
AR>Here is the problem, sex is an extremely touchy subject to the
AR>American public, (It just is don't ask me why!?) and any number of TV
AR>news programs, tabloids, and religous groups would not hesitate to
AR>blow the whole situation out of proportion saying things like
AR>"Japan's Smut!" or "Disney would Turn Over in his Grave!" and
AR>generalizing the art form I love into something that only
AR>introverted, lonely, perverts enjoy (LIKE INTERNET)
AR>Now please, if you truely care about the art form of anime, (Like I
AR>do) then write "AD Vision", "SAE" and even "Central Park Media"
AR>requesting that the saturate the anime market with a little more
AR>variety then "Pink" anime.
Good idea.
AR>So watch out, after the smoke clears on this OJ Simpson case, don't
AR>be suprised if the local television news starts a new story about
AR>"Anime: XXX", "Japanimotion", or "AD Vision: Porn Brokers" And if
AR>this does happen, don't come crying to me!!
I hope everyone else here realizes that he's right. Whatever your
personal feelings about this type of Anime might be, you should
understand that it's not all there is, and even if it's all your
interested in, it could definitely be bad for the reputation of Anime in
this part of the world.
AR>End of message...>>>>
Beavis voice: "Heh-heh. Yeah. Me, too. Heh-heh."
AR>Amaro Rey
AR>"Freedom Fighter"
AR>"God"
Benjamin Turner
EC>Amaro Rey <amar...@aol.com> wrote:
EC>>In article <3b7c1s$3...@xmission.xmission.com>, snow...@xmission.com
EC>>(Snowhare) writes:
EC>>
EC>>>>No.
EC>>Well, well, well, I see we have a moron in our ranks.
EC>Hmm. At least he had a better argument than someone
EC>who resorts to insults at the first sign of opposition.
Well, considering that the response that prompted this name-calling was
itself an out-of-hand attack that:
1.dealt more with the original writer's tagline than with the message,
2.was arguing against an idea not presented or suggested in the message,
and 3.was mostly a statement of opinion presented as fact,
I'd say moron is a pretty approriate label.
Dave Brown
> Well, I can even see some in the media objecting to Totoro. After
>all, it has a scene where (gasp!) father and kids are BATHING
>together... possibly suggesting an incestuous relationship... (^_-)
And how about *this* for shocking?
Totoro has *more* *nudity* than Nausicaa. *stunned look*
Let's face it, though, Sturgeon's Principle applies to anime as well
as everything else. I'm happy to let the hentaisha have all their sex
and violence if it means I can have more of my Good Stuff[tm].
Now, if only there was more of that good story which hiding in U-doji,
instead of all those tentacles and exploding women (sigh). Almost en-
joyed watching it, too....
--Dave
Alan Ezust
If Jesse Helms and the Moral Majority get on the warpath and start
attacking Pink Anime, this would be the BEST THING EVER to happen to
Anime!!! At the moment, it's so obscure that nobody's ever heard about it.
Bad press is PRESS, in any form, and it'll be FREE. People will start to
wonder "hmmm. what is anime?" and sales will skyrocket. Look what it's
done for Rap and Heavy Metal music!
GIVE ME SMUT AND NOTHING BUT !!! - Tom Lehrer
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Michael Studte
In article <3b937l$n...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
> Only AD Vision specializes in the pink stuff. USMC, AnimEigo, Pioneer, and the
> forthcoming Manga Video haven't released an erotic title between them, save
> UROTSUKIDOJI and U-JIN BRAND. As for Star Anime Enterprises, they only have
Please use the right terms, if you must refer to Manga. Manga Video HAS
released several erotic titles (and several non-erotic titles they have
marketed as erotic ones), Manga Entertainment hasn't, yet.
> As for the tabloid media, they're gonna make us look bad no matter what we
> do. It's their job, after all. Let's face it, the only anime they can't
> find something objectionable in is stuff like TOTORO. It doesn't need to
> be pink anime to have a shower scene or blown apart bodies.
Exactly. It's very difficult to draw the line. Do you draw it at the
nudity from Sol Bianca, Plastic Little or Cream Lemon. There would be
people out there who would classify the nudity in Sol Bianca to make
that title pink.
> The answer isn't in restrictions on what can be released. What we
> need to do is draw more attention to the titles we're proud to be
> fans of, and away from those that make us blush.
Exactly.
Alan Liu
Ryan Mathews <bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>As for the tabloid media, they're gonna make us look bad no matter what we do.
>It's their job, after all. Let's face it, the only anime they can't find
>something objectionable in is stuff like TOTORO. It doesn't need to be pink
>anime to have a shower scene or blown apart bodies.
Actually they did find something wrong with Totoro. When it was initially
release, one newspaper said that the bath scene was pedophilic in nature (or
something like that). Could someone clarify?? Anyhow, my point is that if
the media has the power to destort even the nicest of anime.
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On a recent visit to a local video store, I discovered that a big part
of their stock in Anime is Pink Pineapple stuff... Now, I don't consider this
to be in any way the best of animation, or even a good representation of most
anime. It's rather irritating, in fact, to see these being purchased when
items of a much higher quality are available. Not that it shouldn't exist, but
I'd rather not see it being as prolific as it is.
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Ryan Mathews
In a previous article, ez...@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Alan Ezust) says:
>If Jesse Helms and the Moral Majority get on the warpath and start
>attacking Pink Anime, this would be the BEST THING EVER to happen to
>Anime!!! At the moment, it's so obscure that nobody's ever heard about it.
>Bad press is PRESS, in any form, and it'll be FREE. People will start to
>wonder "hmmm. what is anime?" and sales will skyrocket. Look what it's
>done for Rap and Heavy Metal music!
"Good publicity, bad publicity, who cares, as long as they spell the name
right." -- ???
Markmeister
> In article <3b937l$n...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
> Ryan Mathews <bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>>As for the tabloid media, they're gonna make us look bad no matter what we do.
>>It's their job, after all. Let's face it, the only anime they can't find
>>something objectionable in is stuff like TOTORO. It doesn't need to be pink
>>anime to have a shower scene or blown apart bodies.
>
> Actually they did find something wrong with Totoro. When it was initially
> release, one newspaper said that the bath scene was pedophilic in nature (or
> something like that). Could someone clarify?? Anyhow, my point is that if
> the media has the power to destort even the nicest of anime.
WHAT??!! Well, I'm not surprised either; Gene Siskel didn't like the film
because he felt "something was wrong with the opening sequence". Whatever.
When the AKIRA LD was reviewed in TIME magazine, it was called "a futuristic
skull-burster", and much was made of the graphic nature of the film.
Ryan Mathews was right....the American tabloid media obviously believes that
the only good animation is from Disney. I'm sure that WOH is probably going to
get trashed too....
We just can't win, can't we?
M. Mckenzie
St. Peter's College
st91...@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
overrepresented in the US and as such people will get the wrong
impression of what anime is (anime=porn). Pink anime is fringe
anime!
William Rogers
dogsu...@aol.com (DogSupreme) writes:
> Not all AOLers are idiots (well, alot of them are). This Amaro guy has
> been whining for months on the Anime/Manga forum on AOL. If he can't
> take the heat he should turn off the V.C.R.
He doesn't have to turn off the VCR, just don't buy H tapes. I
remember when I first saw an ep. of Cream Lemon. I was appauled. So,
I didn't watch anymore. Hey, I probably shouldn't have watched it in
the first place, but there is this thing called curiosity. And at
least I know that those who like it can view it without the fear of
censors. That's what's known as our freedom against censorship. As
long as the news doesn't brainwash the public, we should be alright.
The media hasn't said anything yet, and there was actually good news
when Totoro came out. It's up to the fans to make sure that this stuff
doesn't get out of hand. Hence the reason AD Vision releases don't go
to Blockbuster, but BGC does. And why H anime is only viewed after
midnight at conventions. It will always be there, it's just how we
handle it that will determine how the public views it.
I'm sure all of this has been said to death, so I'll shut up now.
Bill
st91...@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Companies like A.D. Vision should go after mainstream stuff more.
Douglas Orlowski
Japanese companies (part of "the world") are making it (no pun
intended). Generally, I find that the attitude over here of reselling
products for an age group the product was never designed for to be
offensive, moreso than the product itself. Foe example, all those toys
that were made available for movies like: Alien, Predator, Robocop,
Nightmare on Elm St., Halloween, etc. Face it, these films are all "R"
rated over here yet the toys are generally for a much younger age group.
So do these marketing execs think that the parent's will be lax and just
bring the video home so the kids can watch it, then sell them the toys?
Ditto on anime. That the society over here is *still* very uptight when
it comes to sexual matters so it makes it easy for some companies to
merely cater to the "taboo" market. It's interesting to note that these
days porn films seem to cater to the middle aged male viewer (the
"happily married types") than anyone else these days. Anime (in this
case the porn stuff) seems to be similar in that it seems in many
respects to cater to teenage boys with too much angst in their systems.
Probably why the vast majority of the material on this SIG gets the
"kill file" treatment by me since I haven't been a teenager in 20 years!
It's probably all going to be moot since these companies have decided to
pander to the clients of the Japanese porn merchants anyway. What I want
to know is what YOU PERSONALLY are going to do about it? As far as the
public perception of anime, it's too late. Our hobby has been getting a
black eye for a lot of years already, before the cons, before the SIG,
from the very beginnings of anime fandom. That of course may have been
inevitable.
Lance Wong
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True.. I think that's very true that it's hurting the bases of anime..
but what they do is to approach the theme of "sex sells" anyways.. anime
in my opinion is FOR the slightly higher age than the American public..
while cartoons of US is made for some of the ages of 3-12.. Anime of
Japan is made for the wider range.. thus covering more subjects.. but
telling them to go (People selling the pink stuff) is kinda to the
extreme.. AD vision did sell some goods like Mamano Hunter Yohko.. and
some others.. but as I see that they are approaching to the "Hentai"
section of the anime group.. much similar to what the software company of
"MEGATECH" seeling 'r' rated games... it's just what sells.. what
sells.. ethically I may say that they kinda step over the borderline a
bit.. but they need to $ to release maybe the better stuff!
Lance
Yat Siu
Yet anime is growing in popularity, and companies appear to be growing with
it. You can't expect sudden massive approval for nearly _anything_ that is
new anywhere in the world (most of the time).
I personally don't care if more or less "H" anime is released. As long as
it has the rating system and respective warnings on the tape and
advertising there should be nothing wrong with that. It's always nice to
have the freedom of choice.
Let us also not forget that as it seems, the current impression of anime or
"japanimation" is maintained by the _current_ set of major media spokesmen,
and that they will always choose _any_ kind of anime to prove whatever
point they wish to make. So if journalist XYZ wishes to downplay anime to
prove his point he will always find enough evidence to prove his point. It
doesn't matter if "Pink" anime is released or not (why is it called Pink
anyways???). In defense of ADVision I enjoy their professional quality
releases, and at least they appear to come out with more new titles (and
not all are "H" btw) than any of the other companies to date.
As for Totoro...as Carl Macek had once commented, animation that is too
ethnocentric is not suitable for the american public. I don't care for
Mr.Macek all too much (as many on this newsgroup do as well I believe) but
for a mass marketing approach even to this date, I can see it
apply. (eg. the bathing scene). I can imagine how anime can be more readily
accepted in most European countries, simply because of the less puritan
background of their original foundation (such as the U.S. would be). A very
typical example is probably the extreme sensitive to nudity and topics of
sexual nature.
We should also not forget the very patriotic feelings many americans have
about "very american foundations" such as Disney. Mind you americans use to
feel the same way about Cars too...*grin* (and to some extent still do).
Cheers
Yat
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Yat Siu
>Except in his case it was "Good publicity, bad publicity, who cares, as long
>as they spell the name wrong."
>
>And if you agree with this attitude, I suggest you take a look at the
>reputation anime is earning in the UK and Australia... :-(
Neil,
doesn't it all depend with what kind of people you talk to as well? :)
At least it is a beginning, and I think with time people will look for
other kinds of animation and they will become available.
Cheers
Yat
Aarron Michael Newton
: >Ryan Mathews was right....the American tabloid media obviously believes that
: >going to >get trashed too....
It already has. Check out the review from a newspaper that was posted here
just today.
Aaron, the Plaid Ranger
Eric Tolle
(reputation anime is earning in Austraillia)
>doesn't it all depend with what kind of people you talk to as well? :)
>At least it is a beginning, and I think with time people will look for
>other kinds of animation and they will become available.
Oh, not neccesarily at all true. It all depends on the _type_ of people
that anime will attract. Allready the commercially subbed stuff has
attracted a crowd who lack the wit or patience to figure out unsubbed
stuff. So of course we'll attract a new crowd that think Urutsukidoji and
Fan Service Shots are the be-all and end-all of anime...
Eric Tolle unde...@mcl.ucsb.edu
I kid thee not. Allready I've had to answer a newbies question whether
Urutsukidoji was a represenative anime...
jason chu
> In article <1994Nov29...@spcvxb.spc.edu>,
> Markmeister <4mcke...@spcvxb.spc.edu> wrote:
> >In article <CzzJp...@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>,
asy...@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Liu) writes:
> >> In article <3b937l$n...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
> >> Ryan Mathews <bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>
> >> release, one newspaper said that the bath scene was pedophilic in
nature (or
> >> something like that). Could someone clarify?? Anyhow, my point is that if
> >> the media has the power to destort even the nicest of anime.
> >
> >Whether we want to admit it or not, but I think anime fans have a
love/hate thing with anime going more public and gaining broader appeal.
Yes, we like the idea of it being more widely seen but at the same time I
think we enjoy being a little sub-culture of our own and I wouldn't be
suprised that if anime ever went "big" 1/2 of us here would be crying for
the older days. I mean look at all the moaning with Sailor Moon and
Dragonball potentially coming to the US.
And as for H? Well I was at animeast and the guy from star seemed like
the loneliest man there-did he sell one tape? I kinda felt bad for him.
Did anyone see their release? I gotta say, I think ADV tapes are on
average the best made in terms of sharpness, subtitling, color-synch, and
audio tracks. Yup, count me in-i'll be watching Flare soon. Face it
people, you can't tell me most of you wouldn't watch H if it was sitting
there. I know if a playboy's at my barber shop i'm gonna be flipping...
Todd Derscheid (Chalk)
>In article <3bl4kn$6...@news.bu.edu>, lex...@csa.bu.edu (Yat Siu) wrote:
>
>> In article <1994Nov29...@spcvxb.spc.edu>,
>> Markmeister <4mcke...@spcvxb.spc.edu> wrote:
>> >In article <CzzJp...@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>,
>asy...@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Liu) writes:
>> >> In article <3b937l$n...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
>> >> Ryan Mathews <bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
What a strange, long thread it's been.
>>
>> >> release, one newspaper said that the bath scene was pedophilic in
>nature (or
>> >> something like that). Could someone clarify?? Anyhow, my point is that if
>> >> the media has the power to destort even the nicest of anime.
>> >
>> >Whether we want to admit it or not, but I think anime fans have a
>love/hate thing with anime going more public and gaining broader appeal.
>Yes, we like the idea of it being more widely seen but at the same time I
>think we enjoy being a little sub-culture of our own and I wouldn't be
>suprised that if anime ever went "big" 1/2 of us here would be crying for
>the older days. I mean look at all the moaning with Sailor Moon and
>Dragonball potentially coming to the US.
You're not hearing any from me! I think it'll be great for anime to get
more exposure... and improve ratio of exposure regarding:
Mundane sees anime as normal
----------------------------
Mundane sees anime as freaky
Remember, kids' shows, at least in US, are regarded as harmless...
> And as for H? Well I was at animeast and the guy from star seemed like
>the loneliest man there-did he sell one tape? I kinda felt bad for him.
>Did anyone see their release? I gotta say, I think ADV tapes are on
>average the best made in terms of sharpness, subtitling, color-synch, and
>audio tracks. Yup, count me in-i'll be watching Flare soon. Face it
>people, you can't tell me most of you wouldn't watch H if it was sitting
>there. I know if a playboy's at my barber shop i'm gonna be flipping...
Sorry, no can do... the stuff you see is the stuff you think. I am
uncomfortable with the depiction of women solely as objects of lust. EVEN
if I was at friend's house with stacks of Pink Anime around, I still wouldn't
partake. And expend any time, money, effort, or connections to obtain it?
Hell no! The more mainstream and harmless anime seems the easier it will
be to obtain it ANYWHERE. It's no coincidence that a very large proportion
of Blockbuster's domestic movies DON'T contain hentai/Pink stuff. There's
just not the demand (or SCARY CONJECTURE, there is and pretty soon the
video stores will figure it out and flip their stocks in the other direction
.. on second thought, maybe not).
Eric Gustafson
>From: st...@jane.uh.edu (Todd Derscheid (Chalk))
> It's no coincidence that a very large proportion
>of Blockbuster's domestic movies DON'T contain hentai/Pink stuff. There's
>just not the demand (or SCARY CONJECTURE, there is and pretty soon the
>video stores will figure it out and flip their stocks in the other direction
>.. on second thought, maybe not).
Right, no coincidence. Blockbuster corporate policy. X/NC-17 or unrated
movies don't get bought by Blockbuster. Or Hollywood Video, generally.
Non-chain stores, on the other hand, survive on adult rentals.
If there is no demand, don't worry. AD Vision and SAE will go out of
business, Antarctic Press will cancel the Venus Comics imprint, and Central
Park Media will stop carrying "Usotsuki" Doji/Adventure Kid.
From the looks of things, there is demand, and so all companies involved will
keep releasing H stuff. This is probably slightly disturbing to you.
But, don't worry so much about its impact on public awareness of anime.
Foreign films are a niche market in the US. Anime even MORE of a niche
market. H anime is about as small of a market as you can imagine.
With rare exceptions (Suncoast's dropping of Doji, LA Times article on "Minna
Agechau"), it doesn't even make a blip in the news.
Eric Gustafson, egust...@symantec.com
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Derscheid (Chalk)) wrote:
> It's no coincidence that a very large proportion
> of Blockbuster's domestic movies DON'T contain hentai/Pink stuff. There's
> just not the demand (or SCARY CONJECTURE, there is and pretty soon the
> video stores will figure it out and flip their stocks in the other direction
> .. on second thought, maybe not).
Wrong. Blockbuster is just a lot stricter than any other rental place
cause they gear themselves as a family oriented place and if you rented
Overfiend you know some parent is gonna go insane. A better gauge of
demand is to find a rental store that carries both a lot of H and regular
titles and ask them how it goes. I know a place that has a lot and it was
almost impossible renting the new H releases until after a good month or
two. The same couldn't be said when they just put the latest Urusei movie
on the block.
Cecil T. Spunkmeister M.d.
I read in the list of anime related video games that someone so nicely
posted that there is some kind of flight/battle simulation game based on the
Space Cruiser Yamato/Star Blazers series. If anyone has any information as to
where I could get my hands on this game, I would be forever in their debt...
cya
Freddy Chan
: I read in the list of anime related video games that someone so nicely
: posted that there is some kind of flight/battle simulation game based on the
: Space Cruiser Yamato/Star Blazers series. If anyone has any information as to
: where I could get my hands on this game, I would be forever in their debt...
There is one for PC Engine, this game is hard to find in US.
KhChan
Joe Perez
: >the loneliest man there-did he sell one tape? I kinda felt bad for him.
: >Did anyone see their release? I gotta say, I think ADV tapes are on
I picked up his release, "Homeroom Affairs," and I think it's great. Even
tho' it's chock full of nudity, it is absolutely charming. Yes it's H,
but not offensive in ANY way (at least to me.
The guy from Star did look kind of lonely in his booth (table), but he
really didn't have much of a display. I didn't even notice him until late
in the day, and I took MANY strolls around the dealer's room. All he had
was a table with amany copies of his one video on it. He had no sign
behind him with his company name/logo. His table was also pretty small,
so he has east to miss, which is a shame because the video is top-notch,
and highly recommended to all otaku-dudes.
Joe Perez
Matthew Alt
>From: khc...@csulb.edu (Freddy Chan)
>Subject: Re: Yamato software
>Date: 8 Dec 1994 15:27:58 GMT
>KhChan
Don't forget the Game Boy version!
-Matt
JUSTIN MATTHEW FROST
g (Cecil T. Spunkmeister M.d.) writes:
>
> I read in the list of anime related video games that someone so nicely
>posted that there is some kind of flight/battle simulation game based on the
>Space Cruiser Yamato/Star Blazers series. If anyone has any information as to
>where I could get my hands on this game, I would be forever in their debt...
>
>
I too would be interested in this informantion.
Justin Frost
Lehigh University
jm...@lehigh.edu
MegaZone
>Sorry, no can do... the stuff you see is the stuff you think. I am
Then you have an incredibly weak willpower, and little self-knowledge.
>partake. And expend any time, money, effort, or connections to obtain it?
Why not? I have a sex life, I've invested in 'other' adult things. And
I enjoy adult entertainment too. I also know how to control myself and
it doesn't impact my perceptions of reality. I know the difference between
fantasy and reality, and there is nothing wrong with *any* fantasy, as
long as you maintain that division.
>be to obtain it ANYWHERE. It's no coincidence that a very large proportion
>of Blockbuster's domestic movies DON'T contain hentai/Pink stuff. There's
No coincidence at all, Blockbuster has openly stated that they believe
in conservative values and will not carry any titles, animated or otherwise,
that they feel violate those values. They are *very* strict in many ways,
they also strongly support drug testing - which is one reason I avoid them
until my last resort. But that is way off topic.
You won't see such titles in blockbuster.
Now, other chains *do* carry the adult titles.
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>In article <3bl4kn$6...@news.bu.edu>, lex...@csa.bu.edu (Yat Siu) wrote:
>> In article <1994Nov29...@spcvxb.spc.edu>,
>> Markmeister <4mcke...@spcvxb.spc.edu> wrote:
>> >In article <CzzJp...@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>,
>asy...@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Liu) writes:
>> >> In article <3b937l$n...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
>> >> Ryan Mathews <bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>>
>> >Whether we want to admit it or not, but I think anime fans have a
>love/hate thing with anime going more public and gaining broader appeal.
>Yes, we like the idea of it being more widely seen but at the same time I
>think we enjoy being a little sub-culture of our own and I wouldn't be
>suprised that if anime ever went "big" 1/2 of us here would be crying for
>the older days. I mean look at all the moaning with Sailor Moon and
>Dragonball potentially coming to the US.
I have already heard many of the older fans I know bemoaning the "old
days" and complaining about they younger generation of fans. From what
I can gather, it is in part because there are so many fans now who seem
to be in it only for the H stuff, and seem to persist in, a) insisting
that most anime/manga is H, and b) shoving it down everyone's throats
with loud cries of "what's wrong with it?" Just the sheer... enthusiasm
of fans like that seems to be the primary cause of my friends' dislike
of the genre. Perhaps they have a point, or perhaps they are just
demonstrating the syndrome of the past always looking more rosey than
it actually was. Who can tell...?
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kao ga ureru to ugokizurai kara da na." --Mukuro
Melinda Miller/sanj...@netcom.com
Gerald Leung
> I have already heard many of the older fans I know bemoaning the "old
>days" and complaining about they younger generation of fans. From what
>I can gather, it is in part because there are so many fans now who seem
>to be in it only for the H stuff, and seem to persist in, a) insisting
>that most anime/manga is H, and b) shoving it down everyone's throats
>with loud cries of "what's wrong with it?" Just the sheer... enthusiasm
>of fans like that seems to be the primary cause of my friends' dislike
>of the genre. Perhaps they have a point, or perhaps they are just
>demonstrating the syndrome of the past always looking more rosey than
>it actually was. Who can tell...?
They do have a point, but that is just one facet of anime and its fans.
Anime fans are not such a homogeneous group that can be called as being
this or that. The only thing you can deduce about an anime fan is exactly
that: that the person is a fan of anime.
GL
Gerald "I am. What rotten luck." Leung
DogSupreme
go to every anime tape but Grave of the Fireflies has a sticker on it
saying no-one under 17 can rent it. That includes A-Ko, Dominion, DP
Affair at Nolandia (sp?), Harmagedon, ect. I don't even think they
bothered to watch these. I don't think the average american will ever get
it through their head that not all cartoons are for children. So why
coddle them? They're never going to buy the tapes. And if we change the
music and dub the voices and change the name from Tetsuo to Timmy
(example) is it really the same thing we liked so much to begin with? I
know, I know I'm on 2 different subjects here, but they kinda run
together, at least IMO. It seems like some people want to change the
anime and the anime industry to make it more presentable to the average
guy off the street.
DS
Michael Studte
In article <D0I5p...@dorsai.org> joep...@news.dorsai.org writes:
> : > And as for H? Well I was at animeast and the guy from star seemed like
> : >the loneliest man there-did he sell one tape? I kinda felt bad for him.
> : >Did anyone see their release? I gotta say, I think ADV tapes are on
>
> I picked up his release, "Homeroom Affairs," and I think it's great. Even
> tho' it's chock full of nudity, it is absolutely charming. Yes it's H,
> but not offensive in ANY way (at least to me.
Since nobody has said anything about it, I didn't even know. More info.
Star's address (mail order?), title name, length, format, etc.
I'm not surprised nobody picked up this guy's copies, they haven't made
much of any kind of announcement (and nobody on the net has provided
any info).
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DogSupreme <dogsu...@aol.com> wrote:
>I wouldn't trust BlockBuster's judgement about these movies. At the BB I
>go to every anime tape but Grave of the Fireflies has a sticker on it
>saying no-one under 17 can rent it. That includes A-Ko, Dominion, DP
>Affair at Nolandia (sp?), Harmagedon, ect. I don't even think they
>bothered to watch these. I don't think the average american will ever get
>
>DS
>
I think Blockbuster needs a little work on their rating system. My
local Blockbuster has much the same arrangement with their animation,
with things like A-Ko as NC-17, but then anyone at any age can rent the
most recent B-movie gore fest. I even saw a bunch of Divine movies as
"not rated", including Pink Flamingos. I suspect these movies aren't
even previewed, but that someone rates them based on what they think the
movie is all about.
Gary McAllister ga...@halcyon.com
John T. Carr III
> I picked up his release, "Homeroom Affairs," and I think it's great. Even
> tho' it's chock full of nudity, it is absolutely charming. Yes it's H,
> but not offensive in ANY way (at least to me.
>
> The guy from Star did look kind of lonely in his booth (table), but he
> really didn't have much of a display. I didn't even notice him until late
> in the day, and I took MANY strolls around the dealer's room. All he had
> was a table with amany copies of his one video on it. He had no sign
> behind him with his company name/logo. His table was also pretty small,
> so he has east to miss, which is a shame because the video is top-notch,
> and highly recommended to all otaku-dudes.
I passed on your msg to the folks at Star League, and they thank you.
Right now they're operating on a shoestring budget, the better to be able
to get more features. And personally speaking, I'm glad you liked the
video for two reasons: (1) Tannin no Kankei, the manga on which homeroom
affairs is based, is a personal favorite of mine (and I would put it in
the young adult category as opposed to the sukebe category). (2) Yours
truly did the translation work.
Here's my two cents on the Pink issue: no matter what people say or take
a stance on, the fact is that sex sells, period. At least the Japanese
are honest enough to slap an under 18 forbiden notice on their "Pink
anime" and rental store owners are very scrupulous as to whom they rent
what to. I note that of the titles that have been brought over and
subbed/dubbed by pro companies, there are very, very few which I would
give the XXX rating to. Most deserve an R.
Does this mean I advocate Pink Anime and thus give the puritans
ammunition to brand our hobby with a scarlet H? Not necessarily. What I
do believe in is the right to choose. If we insist that people cannot
make responsible decisions as to what they want to view, then we take the
risks of being given the rights of chidren - which are precious few,
believe you me.
As an example, while I wouldn't want to see Be My Baby or Escalation on
the shelves, I wouldn't be as upset if, say, Kuro Neko Kan were. Look at
the foreign films section of your rental shop and you'll find things a
lot less innoucuous.
But I digress :)
As to Homeroom Affairs, I urge all you curious people to pick up a copy
of the latest Animerica and check the ad near the back. If it sounds
interesting, try it out. You won't be disappointed. I've heard it
described by people who've seen it as " an adult Orange Road", which I
think is pretty high praise. And for those who have seen part 1, part
two is due out soon. The title? "I Was BORN Reckless!" Fans of the
Manga know which scene this refers to; my personal title for the second
half is "My Boyfriend's back and there's gonna be trouble..."
Oh, BTW, for all you puritans out there, the second half is much less
titilating , but a lot more violent. To say anything more would
constitute a spoiler alert.
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jt...@columbia.edu |Remember: The best gift|Desslar sent to earth
...who wants to remind |is the one you know |two planet bombs AND AN
you that it's two weeks |will be appreciated by | UL - TI - MAAA- TUM!!
and counting to X-mas |the receiver, not you! | -old anime filk
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>
> Is it going to be released on LD? CAV?
>
NOt to my knowledge. Tokuma Publishing and KSS, the distributors in
Japan, only released it in tape form in Japan, and even then directly to
video rental stores form what Star League tells me (not that they didn't
receive a lot of special orders - Tannin was a pretty popular manga).
Wouldn't it be a neat trick if an anime proved to be so popular in the US
that they had to release an LD version? That hasn't happened since
Technovoyagers became Thunderbirds 2086 and was exported back to Japan!
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John T. Carr III(jtcIII)|If you're in the NY |"So, what are you doing here
jt...@columbia.edu |area on Dec. 18th, come|on a Sunday morning?"
...who wants to remind |cheer me on at the 3rd | -Tokiro
you that it's two weeks |Annual Big Apple Kara- |"I just moved in!"
and counting to X-mas |oke Tai kai!! | -Miyako
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Chris Lawrence Amshey
an R or NC17 rating easily with the amount of nudity in the first episode
alone...
Just a thought.
--Chris
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SCUM Rises to the Top! Chris Lawrence Amshey
Science-Fiction Conventioneers of Umass SCUM Chair
Hosts of NotJustAnotherCon ams...@student.umass.edu
NotJustAnotherCon XI: Oct 20-22 1995 or ams...@twain.ucs.umass.edu
Gregg Turek
beginning of this thread, who has it?
Gregg Turek
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