GUNDAM: Dom, Dom Tropen, Rick Dom, Rick Dom II, Rick Dias
Prabal Nandy
Could somebody briefly differenciate between the gundam mechs I have
listed above? Also, can someone tell me what the red port on the left
central chest area of a Rick Dom II is? It is a circular port that is
highlighted and commented on the instructions for my Rick Dom II model, but
I have no idea what it could be.
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rhee kie-hyock
> Could somebody briefly differenciate between the gundam mechs I have
>listed above? Also, can someone tell me what the red port on the left
>central chest area of a Rick Dom II is? It is a circular port that is
>highlighted and commented on the instructions for my Rick Dom II model, but
>I have no idea what it could be.
Dom: big heavy duty MS. In the land version has hovering capability
(those bulky skirts around the legs). The space variant is called the
Rick Dom (Rick is a prefix given to space MS like the Rick Dias in Zeta
Gundam). Dom Tropen is just another land variant of the land Dom version
with a hovering unit.
Rick Dom II as the name suggests is an improved version of the Rick Dom.
Not too many cosmetic changes besides the fact that it was designed in the
90's and not the early 80's... ^_^
Rick Dias is the main AEUG force MS built with Jion technology at Anaheim,
not much in the way of a relation with the Rick Dom besides the prefix,
which designates it as a space capable model.
Oh, and the circular port is the hatch to the cockpit.
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Prabal Nandy
> Dom: big heavy duty MS. In the land version has hovering capability
> (those bulky skirts around the legs). The space variant is called the
> Rick Dom (Rick is a prefix given to space MS like the Rick Dias in Zeta
> Gundam). Dom Tropen is just another land variant of the land Dom version
> with a hovering unit.
The Rick Dom also has some really bulky skirts over the legs, does it
also carry the Hovering unit? Is there any major physical difference between
the MS-09 and the MS-09R? Are the hoverjets in the legs/feet exclusively? I
just got a model of the MS-09RII and noted 8 ports on each foot (Hover
jets?) three nozzles behind the foot (Hovers?) and five big nozzles hidden
under the skirt (Extra boosters?)
Also... the Dom Tropen is the "Tropical" dom... why is it called that?
Is there something about it that makes it well adapted to the tropics?
I understand that it carries unusually heavy armor, yet is very speedy
on the ground... But does armor ever help? In all the Gundam episodes I've
seen, it always seems like every MS blows up after the first hit. How tough
is the Dom compared to, say, a ZAK of that era? Compared to a GM?
Does it carry anything other than a Bazzoka, and why a bazzoka at that? It
seems to me that any mech can use a Bazzoka.
> Rick Dom II as the name suggests is an improved version of the Rick Dom.
> Not too many cosmetic changes besides the fact that it was designed in the
> 90's and not the early 80's... ^_^
Yeah, it looks very similar to the original... kinda ironic. On the
manual it has a picture of the Mech's bazzoka (in the tech specs) but also a
picture of a strum faust type weapon, sort of like the Kampfer's. Is this an
optional weapon for the Dom?
Do we ever see a Dom in 0080?
> Rick Dias is the main AEUG force MS built with Jion technology at Anaheim,
> not much in the way of a relation with the Rick Dom besides the prefix,
> which designates it as a space capable model.
Ok.. I thought I heard somewhere that it was loosely based on the Dom.
> Oh, and the circular port is the hatch to the cockpit.
The HATCH TO THE COCKPIT? Why is it off center like that? It certainly
doesn't look like a hatch from the 'closeup' in the manual, but I suppose
it's possible. Hmm... what else could it be. Any reason why it doesn't have
the opening chest like a ZAK and all the other MSs?
bruce martin
whether or not a Dom appears in 0080. Yes, a Rick Dom II appears in
episode 2 when the Jions try to find the base. IT snaps off a shot at
a GM that is hiding behind a building.
Now, why is the Tropical Dom labelled as an MS-09F in 0083 while
the variation series of models has it as a YMS-09? Does this mean
they are two different models even though technically they are the
same?
Iskandar Taib
Prabal Nandy <pr...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
> Also... the Dom Tropen is the "Tropical" dom... why is it called that?
>Is there something about it that makes it well adapted to the tropics?
Probably a bigger air conditioner ^_^;;;
> I understand that it carries unusually heavy armor, yet is very speedy
>on the ground... But does armor ever help? In all the Gundam episodes I've
>seen, it always seems like every MS blows up after the first hit. How tough
>is the Dom compared to, say, a ZAK of that era? Compared to a GM?
Actually, it depends on who's in the suit. If its one of the major
characters (Keith in 0083 even) they can take all kinds of hits. But
if they're "extras" they blow up at the first opportunity. Makes one
want to comment about "charisma armor".
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+> Sorry I forgot to include the previous post. The question concerned
+>whether or not a Dom appears in 0080. Yes, a Rick Dom II appears in
+>episode 2 when the Jions try to find the base. IT snaps off a shot at
+>a GM that is hiding behind a building.
+> Now, why is the Tropical Dom labelled as an MS-09F in 0083 while
+>the variation series of models has it as a YMS-09? Does this mean
+>they are two different models even though technically they are the
+>same?
The YMS-09 is a tropical "test" suit according to the
box. It was probably the prototype while the MS-09F was the production
model. I seem to remember the US air force using "Y" as a prefix on some
non-production prototype aircraft.
rhee kie-hyock
> The Rick Dom also has some really bulky skirts over the legs, does it
>also carry the Hovering unit? Is there any major physical difference between
>the MS-09 and the MS-09R? Are the hoverjets in the legs/feet exclusively? I
>just got a model of the MS-09RII and noted 8 ports on each foot (Hover
>jets?) three nozzles behind the foot (Hovers?) and five big nozzles hidden
>under the skirt (Extra boosters?)
Those big skirts on the Rick Dom are thrusters, not hovering units.
> I understand that it carries unusually heavy armor, yet is very speedy
>on the ground... But does armor ever help? In all the Gundam episodes I've
>seen, it always seems like every MS blows up after the first hit. How tough
>is the Dom compared to, say, a ZAK of that era? Compared to a GM?
The extra armor helps against projectile weaponry, but not much against
beam weaponry. Remember that those MS were from the 1 year war era,
where a good number of MS used physical weaponry. It's armored somewhat
more heavier than a typical Zak, but another reason for the bulk is
the thruster units (space version) / nuclear powered hovering unit
(land version).
And oh, it's a LOT better than a GM. The bulk belies the mobility of
a Rick Dom in space - it's pretty good.
> Does it carry anything other than a Bazzoka, and why a bazzoka at that? It
>seems to me that any mech can use a Bazzoka.
Yes, but since its relative mass is heavier it can carry heavier weaponry
with ease. Zakus have to run around on land while Doms can skim around,
this makes them a more ideal MS for carrying heavy assault weaponry.
> Yeah, it looks very similar to the original... kinda ironic. On the
>manual it has a picture of the Mech's bazzoka (in the tech specs) but also a
>picture of a strum faust type weapon, sort of like the Kampfer's. Is this an
>optional weapon for the Dom?
> Do we ever see a Dom in 0080?
The sturm faust can be used pretty much by any MS. Most weaponry can be
interchanged between various MS if it's projectile based (i.e. doesn't
require a link to the reactor - this is in the hand) and has a trigger
the MS can pull.
And yes, very briefly, but they show a Dom in the street combat scene
just before Al meets Bernie for the first time.
> The HATCH TO THE COCKPIT? Why is it off center like that? It certainly
>doesn't look like a hatch from the 'closeup' in the manual, but I suppose
>it's possible. Hmm... what else could it be. Any reason why it doesn't have
>the opening chest like a ZAK and all the other MSs?
It is the hatch; watch the intro to 0083 episode 1, where Gato attempts
to enter a Rick Dom thru the hatch.
And the heavier the armor and the bulkier, the harder it is to
encorporate a bigger door without introducing too many parts. And the
less parts a thing has, the less likely it'll break. Since the Dom is
a "heavier" MS (more armor, etc), I guess that also brings a smaller,
sturdier door with it...
Prabal Nandy
> Those big skirts on the Rick Dom are thrusters, not hovering units.
Righto... But is there any physical _observable_ difference between a Dom
and a Rick Dom?
> And oh, it's a LOT better than a GM. The bulk belies the mobility of
> a Rick Dom in space - it's pretty good.
Really? Neat. Any idea why it has those strange-looking fuel tanks?
> Yes, but since its relative mass is heavier it can carry heavier weaponry
> with ease. Zakus have to run around on land while Doms can skim around,
> this makes them a more ideal MS for carrying heavy assault weaponry.
Hmmm, yeah, the Rick Dom's mass (loaded) is some 20tons heavier than a
ZAK's, I'd say. I suppose it makes sense for it to carry heavy weapons
but... The Kampfer carries TWO identical bazzokas like the RD... but I hear
that the bazzoka only carries 4 shots. Is this true? If it is, isn't it
kinda unfair to send an MS into battle with only 4 shots?
Does the RD carry any melee weapons anywhere?
Are those glowing yellow ports on its forearms anything important?
By the way, the Zugock's empty tonnage is some 71 tons... It's 'loaded'
tonnage is over 300 tons! Anyone know what the heck its carrying that makes
it so heavy?
> The sturm faust can be used pretty much by any MS. Most weaponry can be
> interchanged between various MS if it's projectile based (i.e. doesn't
Ok... Looks like the Strum Faust RPG is a pretty ubiquitous weapon, even
though I've never seen it used in the anime.
> It is the hatch; watch the intro to 0083 episode 1, where Gato attempts
> to enter a Rick Dom thru the hatch.
DARN! I missed that episode!
Why was Gato trying to get into a Rick Dom anyway? BTW, that show had some
nice uses of RDs. They did a nasty job on those GMs.
> And the heavier the armor and the bulkier, the harder it is to
> encorporate a bigger door without introducing too many parts. And the
Ok, makes sense. I only ask because the RD looks almost like it has a
regular cockpit panel like a Zak... Anyone know what its cruise hovering
speed is like?
rhee kie-hyock
> Righto... But is there any physical _observable_ difference between a Dom
>and a Rick Dom?
The overall silouette is about the same. The Rick Dom has a slightly
bigger head section... they're mostly cosmetic differences.
> Really? Neat. Any idea why it has those strange-looking fuel tanks?
More weight, so it needs more thrusters. More thrusters and more weight,
so it needs more propellant. So it carries external ones just like our
modern day fighters do for long range missions.
> By the way, the Zugock's empty tonnage is some 71 tons... It's 'loaded'
>tonnage is over 300 tons! Anyone know what the heck its carrying that makes
>it so heavy?
Remember, things aren't as heavy and easier to move around when its
in the water. If I had to guess it'd be the propellant and the hydropack
it carries on its back. In several maritime MS this hydropack can be
blown off via explosive bolts so as to lose some dead weight should
they shift to land combat.
> DARN! I missed that episode!
> Why was Gato trying to get into a Rick Dom anyway? BTW, that show had some
>nice uses of RDs. They did a nasty job on those GMs.
Why? Cuz he needed an MS? ^_^
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kie-hyock) wrote:
> > The HATCH TO THE COCKPIT? Why is it off center like that? It certainly
> >doesn't look like a hatch from the 'closeup' in the manual, but I suppose
> >it's possible. Hmm... what else could it be. Any reason why it doesn't have
> >the opening chest like a ZAK and all the other MSs?
>
> It is the hatch; watch the intro to 0083 episode 1, where Gato attempts
> to enter a Rick Dom thru the hatch.
Yes, Gato was trying to board a Rick Dom in episode 1, but look closely;
the hatch
is where you would expect it, in the middle of the torso (not off-center).
I don't have my reference materials handy (posting from work... ^_^ ) but
the
circular device on the left side of the Dom's chest is a weapon, if I
remember
correctly. The Rick Dom II model instructions calls it a "beam point," I
think,
something like a one-shot beam blast to distract an enemy at close range in
an unfavorable combat situation.
There's an interesting error in 0083 episode 1... look closely at the Dom
that
Gato is boarding. Look at the head and shoulder armor -- it is a Dom
Tropen, not
a (space) Rick Dom. Now why would Gato want to fly a Tropen in space
combat?
Noel Gamboa
rhee kie-hyock
>that
>Gato is boarding. Look at the head and shoulder armor -- it is a Dom
>Tropen, not
>a (space) Rick Dom. Now why would Gato want to fly a Tropen in space
>combat?
In the very first incarnations, there isn't too much of a difference
between the land and space versions of the Dom. I'd have to rewatch
that episode to confirm, but it could well be that in the One Year War
there wasn't too many cosmetic differences between the Dom (land version)
and the Rick Dom (space version).
Prabal Nandy
>Yes, Gato was trying to board a Rick Dom in episode 1, but look closely;
>circular device on the left side of the Dom's chest is a weapon, if I
>remember
>correctly. The Rick Dom II model instructions calls it a "beam point," I
>think,
>something like a one-shot beam blast to distract an enemy at close range in
>an unfavorable combat situation.
A one-shot secondary armament? Is it particularly powerful? It always
looked like some kind of weapon or special sensor to me, considering as how
it seems to have a port in its center. But only one shot?
I was wondering why the Rick Dom utterly lacked any close in weaponry...
it doesn't even have a heat rod! After it expends the 4 missiles in its
bazzoka, it's basically a toasted mech! I suppose the illustration on the
front cover, with a Rick Dom elbowing a RGM-79GS in the face is about the
only kind of Close-in fighting the RD can do.
Does anyone know what that glowing port on its forearm is though?
>Gato is boarding. Look at the head and shoulder armor -- it is a Dom
>Tropen, not
How can you tell that it's a Dom Tropen? What are the physical
differences between a Rick Dom and a Dom Tropen?
R M Miyashiro
Iskandar Taib <nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>In article <2ttmql...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>,
>Prabal Nandy <pr...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Also... the Dom Tropen is the "Tropical" dom... why is it called that?
>>Is there something about it that makes it well adapted to the tropics?
>
>Probably a bigger air conditioner ^_^;;;
>
yeah, or wears suntan lotion like in SD Gundam 1.
>> I understand that it carries unusually heavy armor, yet is very speedy
>>on the ground... But does armor ever help? In all the Gundam episodes I've
>>seen, it always seems like every MS blows up after the first hit. How tough
>>is the Dom compared to, say, a ZAK of that era? Compared to a GM?
>
>Actually, it depends on who's in the suit. If its one of the major
>characters (Keith in 0083 even) they can take all kinds of hits. But
>if they're "extras" they blow up at the first opportunity. Makes one
>want to comment about "charisma armor".
>
Yeah, Ranba Ral puts up quite a fight in his Gufu, just play Gachapon 3.
-Tokio D Randall /(P9
see you at the AX and ANAM
Albert Nakano CBN
>kie-hyock) wrote:
>
>> > The HATCH TO THE COCKPIT? Why is it off center like that? It certainly
>> >doesn't look like a hatch from the 'closeup' in the manual, but I suppose
>> >it's possible. Hmm... what else could it be. Any reason why it doesn't have
>> >the opening chest like a ZAK and all the other MSs?
>>
>> It is the hatch; watch the intro to 0083 episode 1, where Gato attempts
>> to enter a Rick Dom thru the hatch.
>
>Yes, Gato was trying to board a Rick Dom in episode 1, but look closely;
>the hatch
>is where you would expect it, in the middle of the torso (not off-center).
>
>I don't have my reference materials handy (posting from work... ^_^ ) but
>the
>circular device on the left side of the Dom's chest is a weapon, if I
>remember
>correctly. The Rick Dom II model instructions calls it a "beam point," I
>think,
>something like a one-shot beam blast to distract an enemy at close range in
>an unfavorable combat situation.
I don't have some source material handy, but I believe the only time I have
seen that beam weapon in operation is during the original Gundam series where
Amuro is fighting Doms for the first time (piloted by Triple Black Stars)
(episode where Matilda dies). In their attack, the Doms line up in single
file so that Amuro couldn't see the movement of the one behind the first Dom.
If memory is correct, the first Dom fires away the beam from the chest. It's
not very powerful but it's enough that the Gundam's beam sabre (the beam part)
is disrupted. Amuro steps on the first Dom, nails the second Dom when the
sabre regenerates, but misses the third Dom which smashes the Medea that
Matilda was in. Anyone care to confirm?
no sig yet,
Albert Nakano
Albert Nakano CBN
Yeah, but you should remember that Amuro was still growing as a pilot. The
other thing is that the Gundam has learning capabilities. Once it fought a
Gufu (Ranba Ral's was the first), it could better respond to the moves that
a Gufu would make.
no sig yet,
Albert Nakano>
John Stepp
: I don't have my reference materials handy (posting from work... ^_^ ) but
: the circular device on the left side of the Dom's chest is a weapon, if I
: remember correctly. The Rick Dom II model instructions calls it a "beam
: point," I think, something like a one-shot beam blast to distract an enemy
: at close range in an unfavorable combat situation.
Labelled a "close-combat beam point" on the diagrams. Interesting that
it has never been listed under armament in any of the accompanying data text.
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: Does anyone know what that glowing port on its forearm is though?
An apogee motor?
: How can you tell that it's a Dom Tropen? What are the physical
: differences between a Rick Dom and a Dom Tropen?
The head of a Rick Dom is small compared to the mono-eye housing, the top
of which extends over the top of the head. The mono-eye housing of a Dom
Tropen is small compared to the head, which has a vent of some sort
running along the top.
The shoulders of a Rick Dom are rounded, have upturned ends, and contain
three apogee motors. The shoulders of a Dom Tropen are squared-off, have
straight ends, and contain no apogee motors.
The torso of a Rick Dom contains the beam point (mounted off-center), an
apogee motor, and has 4-sided front skirts. The torso of a Rick Dom has
no beam point, no apogee motor, and jagged front skirts.
The forearms of a Rick Dom are rounded and have an apogee motor centrally
mounted. The forearms of a Dom Tropen are squared-off and have no apogee
motor (and are physically smaller than those of the Rick Dom).
The feet of the Dom Tropen are more blocky than those of the Rick Dias
and have the portruding air intakes for its turbines. The Dom Tropen
also has much larger knees.
The rear skirt of a Rick Dom is rounded and contains louvers (function
unknown) and apogee motors. The rear skirt of a Dom Tropen is
wedge-shaped and only has a weapon storage mount.
Prabal Nandy
>Amuro is fighting Doms for the first time (piloted by Triple Black Stars)
Triple black stars? What does this mean? Test pilots?
>is disrupted. Amuro steps on the first Dom, nails the second Dom when the
He steps on it? What do you mean? Why didn't the Dom shoot/punch him? Are
there weapons like the Dom's beam point designed to interefere with the
operation of a beam sabre?
>sabre regenerates, but misses the third Dom which smashes the Medea that
>Matilda was in. Anyone care to confirm?
He slashes the second Dom... did he have any problem penetrating the
super heavy armor with his regular beam pistol?
Kana Sihsobhon
> In article <CrrDI...@news.cis.umn.edu> be...@snowman.med.umn.edu (Albert Nakano CBN) writes:
>
>>Amuro is fighting Doms for the first time (piloted by Triple Black Stars)
>
> Triple black stars? What does this mean? Test pilots?
>
series. They piloted MS-06-R high manuvered Zaku, according to MSV sources.
They were given the Doms just to fight against Amuro and the Gundam. Their
famus combat tactic is "Jet Stream Attack" where they line up then
continuously attacked an unlucky enemy suit.
> He steps on it? What do you mean? Why didn't the Dom shoot/punch him? Are
> there weapons like the Dom's beam point designed to interefere with the
> operation of a beam sabre?
I guess Amuro is too agile for them :-)
>
dOh, one more thing. Dom doesn't have beam sabre, I think Gelgoog is the
only mass produced Jion suit that does. But Dom has a heat sabre that
function similarily to Zaku's heat axe, but in a sword shape.
Kana Sihsobhon
sihs...@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
Noel Gamboa
Prabal Nandy <pr...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
>
>>Gato is boarding. Look at the head and shoulder armor -- it is a Dom
>>Tropen, not
>
> How can you tell that it's a Dom Tropen? What are the physical
>differences between a Rick Dom and a Dom Tropen?
The most obvious cosmetic difference is the shoulder armor. The Rick
Dom has shoulder armor the curves upwards at the end (away from the
torso). The Dom Tropen's does not curve up, and has additional armor
/trimmings around the edges.
Also, the Dom Tropen's head has a bump.
I mentioned the shoulders and the head because these are the two most
obvious features in the Dom which Gato was boarding in 0083 episode 1.
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