Anime in Deep Space Nine
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Christopher Ochs [237]
wondering if R. Sternbach was going to put anime references in
Deep Space Nine.
I think I spotted my first anime in-joke reference in the
Deep Space Nine episode this week! In the episode "Babel",
the alien captian who wanted to leave DS9 for fear of the virus
was named Largo, referring to a villain in BGC.
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kenneth r lipka
In article <1993Jan26.1...@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, c...@akira.att.com (Christopher Ochs [237]) writes:
> There was recently much discussion, with several people
> wondering if R. Sternbach was going to put anime references in
> Deep Space Nine.
> I think I spotted my first anime in-joke reference in the
> Deep Space Nine episode this week! In the episode "Babel",
> the alien captian who wanted to leave DS9 for fear of the virus
> was named Largo, referring to a villain in BGC.
>
Hate to burst your bubble on this one, but...
As has been discussed before with ST:TNG, the anime references can only occur in either models/props/backgrounds or in technical names of items/materials/whatever because the people who are major anime fans are involved with these things. In other words, any names of ships, major or minor characters are 99% certain not to be anime becuase the writers have to worry about copyrights and such.
Also, Largo is a fairly common name for single-named characters. And, who is to say that the writer who came up with that name hadn't just recently returned from a vacaction in the Florida Keys? (Key Largo). Maybe the character was named Largo because of how he resembled the Spanish translation of the word. As you can see, there are many sources for 'Largo', so don't jump on anime just because it is foremost in your mind.
Ken Lipka
fer...@engin.umich.edu
Albert Sze-Wei Wang
>There was recently much discussion, with several people
>wondering if R. Sternbach was going to put anime references in
>Deep Space Nine.
>I think I spotted my first anime in-joke reference in the
>Deep Space Nine episode this week! In the episode "Babel",
>the alien captian who wanted to leave DS9 for fear of the virus
>was named Largo, referring to a villain in BGC.
Darn, you guys see DS9 much too early. I won't get to see the episode
until Thursday here... :( If what you say is true, then it might be
the second Anime in-joke. The first, or course, being the ships from
Lensman which dock at DS9 in the last 20 seconds of the first episode.
Is anyone logging these?
Albert
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Robert Everett Brunskill
>There was recently much discussion, with several people
>wondering if R. Sternbach was going to put anime references in
>Deep Space Nine.
>I think I spotted my first anime in-joke reference in the
>Deep Space Nine episode this week! In the episode "Babel",
>the alien captian who wanted to leave DS9 for fear of the virus
>was named Largo, referring to a villain in BGC.
Wait a minute. I haven't seen the episode yet, but how does the name
'Babel' fit into the show? If it refers to the virus in any way, then
it's probably a reference to the Patlabor movie.
Rob
Emru Townsend
>There was recently much discussion, with several people
>wondering if R. Sternbach was going to put anime references in
>Deep Space Nine.
>I think I spotted my first anime in-joke reference in the
>Deep Space Nine episode this week! In the episode "Babel",
>the alien captian who wanted to leave DS9 for fear of the virus
>was named Largo, referring to a villain in BGC.
The name Largo existed before BGC 5, and since Okuda and Sternbach don't make
character names to the best of my knowledge, I'd think that's a bit of a
stretch.
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>c...@akira.att.com (Christopher Ochs [237]) writes:
>> There was recently much discussion, with several people
>> wondering if R. Sternbach was going to put anime references in
>> Deep Space Nine.
>> I think I spotted my first anime in-joke reference in the
>> Deep Space Nine episode this week! In the episode "Babel",
>> the alien captian who wanted to leave DS9 for fear of the virus
>> was named Largo, referring to a villain in BGC.
>
>only occur in either models/props/backgrounds or in technical names of
>items/materials/whatever because the people who are major anime fans are
>involved with these things.
1. Ken, please use more carriage returns. Different people use different
newsreaders. (And please keep your lines < 80 columns.)
2. Mr. Sternback and his buddy do indeed offer technical sounding mumbo
jumbo for the writers. They have even been known to offer strange
alien sounding names and passwords. ("Nausicaans," "Ke ii Yu ri za
da tee") (These are acknowledged aural anime in-jokes.)
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Tuesday January 26 1993 18:02, Christopher Ochs [237] wrote to All:
CO[> was named Largo, referring to a villain in BGC.
That could also be a reference to Monkey Island ][ for all we know. I
don't think it is an Anime reference any more than the Galaxy class ship, USS
Yamato. Co-inky-dink is more like it.
R. Sternbach is a techical advisor/set something-or-other... So the
references are mostly there... Which is why most of us miss it. $^&$&$%&
Japanese characters! :)
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Steve Lamb
Tuesday January 26 1993 20:16, kenneth r lipka wrote to All:
krl> involved with these things. In other words, any names of ships, major
or
Hey now... There were the two ships, Kei and Yuri. Not said, but still,
the ships were named that. :)
Who's That Lemming
>>>>> Brunskill) said:
Robert> Wait a minute. I haven't seen the episode yet, but how does the
Robert> name 'Babel' fit into the show? If it refers to the virus in any
Robert> way, then it's probably a reference to the Patlabor movie.
Oh, give me a break.
DEFINE babel
DEFINITION 0
Ba.bel \'ba--b*l, 'bab-*l\ n [Heb Ba-bhel, fr. Assyr-Bab ba-b-ilu gate of
god] 1: a city in Shinar where the building of a tower is held in the Book
of Ge nesis to have been interrupted by the confusion of tongues often not
cap 2a: a confusion of sounds or voices 2b: a scene of noise or confusion
Try the second definition of "babel".
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Predecrement David
>rb...@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Everett Brunskill) said:
>
>Robert> Wait a minute. I haven't seen the episode yet, but how does the
>Robert> name 'Babel' fit into the show? If it refers to the virus in any
>Robert> way, then it's probably a reference to the Patlabor movie.
>
>Oh, give me a break.
>Try the second definition of "babel". [a confusion of sounds or voices]
I haven't seen the episode, either. But if "Babel" does refer to the virus,
there is a chance that it is a nod to the Patlabor movie. Sternback is
capable of this. Does anybody have access to CI$?
I kind of doubt the reference, but I hate to see Ratinox unduely knock Robert.
Steve Lamb
Wednesday January 27 1993 14:30, Robert Everett Brunskill wrote to All:
REB> Wait a minute. I haven't seen the episode yet, but how does the name
REB> 'Babel' fit into the show? If it refers to the virus in any way, then
REB> it's probably a reference to the Patlabor movie.
Doubtful, since the virus in Patlabor refered to BABYLON.
kenneth r lipka
In article <1993Jan27.1...@wdl.loral.com>, d...@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Predecrement David) writes:
>
> 1. Ken, please use more carriage returns. Different people use different
> newsreaders. (And please keep your lines < 80 columns.)
>
Well, I guess that just means that everyone else has to catch-up with
the latest technology. I mean, I go to a small state school and here I sit in
a room full of SUN SPARCstations, which just so happen to have a built-in
editor for news articles (much like any word processing program on a schmucky
PC).
I guess not everyone tries to make their life in the real world like the
world of anime.
Ken Lipka
fer...@engin.umich.edu
P.S.: For all the humor impaired out there, add the following annoying icon
after every single word: ;).
Emru Townsend
>Rob
Or maybe it's a reference to Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash. The idea of a
language-skewing virus isn't new, and Babel is an obvious name.
Alan Takahashi
>rat...@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu (Who's That Lemming) writes:
>>rb...@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Everett Brunskill) said:
>>
>>Oh, give me a break.
>>[...]
>>Try the second definition of "babel". [a confusion of sounds or voices]
>
>I haven't seen the episode, either. But if "Babel" does refer to the virus,
>there is a chance that it is a nod to the Patlabor movie. Sternback is
>capable of this. Does anybody have access to CI$?
Rick Sternbach is capable of this, but probably doesn't have the
influence to actually do it...
I *have* seen the episode. "Babel" refers to the rampant confusion
on board "Deep Space Nine". Watch the episode and read the Bible to
figure out what I mean...
No anime in-joke here, I'm afraid...
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Robert Everett Brunskill
>Oh, give me a break.
>
>DEFINE babel
>DEFINITION 0
>Ba.bel \'ba--b*l, 'bab-*l\ n [Heb Ba-bhel, fr. Assyr-Bab ba-b-ilu gate of
> god] 1: a city in Shinar where the building of a tower is held in the Book
> of Ge nesis to have been interrupted by the confusion of tongues often not
> cap 2a: a confusion of sounds or voices 2b: a scene of noise or confusion
>
>Try the second definition of "babel".
I know what 'babel' means. I just wanted to know how the title fits the
ST episode! I haven't seen it yet. Some one tell me please! (by the
way, the two definitions are intertwined in 'meaning'.)
Rob Brunskill
'Yes on one. No on two.' - BB
William Henderson
>Wednesday January 27 1993 14:30, Robert Everett Brunskill wrote to All:
REB> Wait a minute. I haven't seen the episode yet, but how does the name
REB> 'Babel' fit into the show? If it refers to the virus in any way, then
REB> it's probably a reference to the Patlabor movie.
To make this simple, "Babel" is a biblical reference. It refers to the
tower of Babel in Genesis. I am not one to quote script. over the net
so I won't, however, let it suffice to say, that it refers more specifically
to how the virus messes up one's speach.
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Well, I doubt that. It is more likely a biblical reference to the Tower
of Babel, where God struck down the tower because humans were brash enough
to try to reach heaven with the tower. As an added bonus, God caused humans
to speak different languages after that, so that humans cannot easily
communicate amongst themselves. This reflects the episode's premise, where
the virus caused a loss of communication. I do believe the Bible has
a lot more 'fans' than the Patlabor movie. :-)
James.
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> Robert,
>
> Wednesday January 27 1993 14:30, Robert Everett Brunskill wrote to All:
>
> REB> Wait a minute. I haven't seen the episode yet, but how does the name
> REB> 'Babel' fit into the show? If it refers to the virus in any way, then
> REB> it's probably a reference to the Patlabor movie.
>
> Doubtful, since the virus in Patlabor refered to BABYLON.
Wow... So then Babylon 5 is an anime ref!!!
:-) :-)
Steve
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Not related to the hotly debated title, but...
I thought I noticed on the small print in the description for the
doctor (who was later kidnapped
by Kira) the word 'Akira'. Sure enough, someone transcribed the displays
on r.a.startrek.info...
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.startrek.info: 1-Feb-93 Tiny text
screens in `Babel' Ron >O'De...@deeptht.armor (4790)
>
>SURMAK REN
>
>Born: Bajor 2319
>Parents: Surmak Hoek
> Surmak Stimson
>Medical doctor, graduated Univ of Bajor 2342
>Major field of study: Genetic Programming
>Former member Bajor Underground, Higa Mentar
>Arrested by Cardassian Govt, 2357 on charges of
>terrorist activity and disruption of military
>Imprisoned Velos VII, 2357
>Repatriated to Bajor stardate 46302.8
>Current status: Unknown
>
>Background information:
>
>Surmak Ren was a member of the Akira
>Advanced Genetics Research Unit and was...
>
So there was anime reference in the episode after all...
-Stephen
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Chris Swett
If Rick works an in joke into TNG or DS9 it's likely to appear in a
computer graphic or other visual prop rather than in an episode title or
in dialogue. Standard television doesn't have the resolution to reproduce
most of Mike and Rick's in jokes such that you can see them, which is why
they can get away with them in the first place. (exception: Ferengi password
in Menage a Troi)
A good place to hunt for in jokes in "Babel" would be to look at the
random dialogue printed on the computer monitors. I haven't checked yet,
but that would be the perfect place to slip something.
--- Chris
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Brett Barbaro
Fellow Otaku-
The other day, after viewing Plot of the Fuma Clan together, a friend of mine
posed this question -
"I like anime and all, but why do _you_ go so crazy for it?"
The question was answered with a long pause. What is the reason for my
obsession with anime? Why do I choose anime over all other types of film?
Why do I go to New York to buy comic books that I can't even read?
This question is open for discussion (that's why I'm posting it) but here
are a few of the possible things that attract me to it:
1. The babes. The mega-larger-than-fantasy babes. (Note: remember
that over 90% of anime fans (my estimation) are male.)
1. The violence. Able to be more graphic than any live-action film.
3. The creative freedom of the artists.
4. The fresh feeling of being exposed to a new culture.
These combined attributes always tend to get my blood pumping, and that is
an altogether pleasant sensation. But why does this work so well with
animation?
Also, the underlying question - why do we spend so much time on it? Oh,
it'seasy to do, I know...perhaps _too_ easy. I have spent the better part of
my last semester pursuing anime, and my grades reflect it. I don't want to
incriminate anyone else, but when I look at myself objectively, questions come
up, like, "Is anime really that important?" "Why aren't I doing something
more constructive?" or "After all, it's just entertainment, right?" or
Now, I've given up the idea that it's antisocial, because I have many friends
who I share it with, and some have gotten into it; and, of course, there are
all of you on the net. But I really hesitate to share my enthusiasm
for anime with some people (my parents included) for fear that they will
think me some kind of freak. Now, don't get me wrong, I will staunchly
defend my "hobby" when called upon to do so. I just don't know exactly why.
I figure that there are some of you out there who have asked similar
questions. Please post your feelings on this subject, and I will compile a
list for posterity.
Otaku Barbaro
E. Kontei
>
> The other day, after viewing Plot of the Fuma Clan together, a friend of mine
> posed this question -
>
> "I like anime and all, but why do _you_ go so crazy for it?"
> 1. The babes.
> 1. The violence.
> 3. The creative freedom of the artists.
> 4. The fresh feeling of being exposed to a new culture.
3 and 4 for me. ESPECIALLY 3. In fact, I've noticed I tend to
enjoy anime that don't put an emphasis on 1 and 1.
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equally impossible things to each other. On the downside it does remind
me that my own life is rather dull, and going nowhere at an ever
increasing rate.
Just my two cents worth. :)
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Predecrement David
[A frend asks Brett,]
>"I like anime and all, but why do _you_ go so crazy for it?"
>
>are a few of the possible things that attract me to it:
I've thought about that a lot, too. My roommate and girlfriend can appreciate
a good anime movie, but I'm a fan. Why the difference?
I think I tend to like anime because I can only pick out every 5th sentence of
the dialog. That way, I can understand a little, (so I don't get bored) and I
fill in the rest with my ideals. I tend to make movies more exciting, more
romantic to me than the actual scripts.
Anime is also the only place where I can find my favorite genre in full force.
I love teenage-angst, and tragic romance. Hence I tend to love KOR, Windaria,
Video Girl Ai type stuff... What domestic theatrical releases have we seen
in recent history that fit into these genres? "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer?"
Sea Wasp
>Fellow Otaku-
>The other day, after viewing Plot of the Fuma Clan together, a friend of mine
>posed this question -
>"I like anime and all, but why do _you_ go so crazy for it?"
>1. The babes. The mega-larger-than-fantasy babes. (Note: remember
> that over 90% of anime fans (my estimation) are male.)
I think your estimate is badly skewed by whatever you watch. For
example, I know damn well that *ALL* of the anime fans I've met in person
were female. It was a female who converted me. And in the APA my fiancee
and I are (sporadically) contributing to, the membership list looks to be
well over 60% female.
The "God Warrior" shows, like Saint Seiya and Yoroiden Samurai
Troopers, tend to attract a more female audience because they star cute
boys in neat outfits. The BGC/Dominion/Dirty Pair stuff attracts a lot
more hentai males.
I suspect that OVERALL anime fandom is only slightly heavier in
male percentages, and that ONLY for the US. In Japan, I'm sure it's split
50/50, with the males going for the shoot-em-up-bang-bang-boobs-'bots-blood
stuff more, and the females more interested in the characters.
>1. The violence. Able to be more graphic than any live-action film.
Doubt you could get more graphic than a lot of live action films
these days. And violence, again, is a matter of taste. I like shoot-'em-ups
a lot, but a lot of people don't. The nice thing about anime is that
it can do EVERYTHING, and do it well. It doesn't HAVE to be violent (see
Maison Ikkoku, for example).
>3. The creative freedom of the artists.
BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! Surely you jest. SOME artists get freedom. A
LOT of them crank out just what they are told to do.
>4. The fresh feeling of being exposed to a new culture.
A lot of the rock-em sock'em anime you appear to prefer is just
American stuff covered with a very thin layer of Japan. Real old
Nipponese culture is damn hard to understand for a typical American
like me.
Why do *I* watch it?
Well, I don't like saying I "watch anime" as a general thing,
any more than I say I "watch television" or "read books". That's too
vague. Anime covers a range from stuff I wouldn't watch if paid to do
so (various sports-based shows) to stuff that I'd pay to watch (Arion,
YST: Legend of Keikotai, Crusher Joe).
The stuff I really like generally has one of the following
characteristics:
1) Does something far better than the equivalent here. A good
example of this is the God Warrior shows. Superhero-type action shows
just have NOT ever been done well in the US. Either they are watered
down to the point that they simply lose whatever value they have (all
Saturday morning fare and, sadly, even the modern shows like Batman
and X-Men), or if done live action their budget and scripts demonstrate
the inability of the producers to comprehend the necessities of the
larger-than-life genre. Saint Seiya (first season, at least) managed to
surpass any expectations I had. In the end, it had only two MAJOR flaws:
1) a distressing sameness of sequence to the major adventures, and
thus little real character development after season 1, and 2) too-stylized
fight sequences. Yoroiden Samurai Troopers mostly avoided those pitfalls,
but ran into others, most notably the constant reuse of footage to put
Seiya to complete shame.
2) Does something really original. Saint Seiya's particular bizarre
blend of Grecian myth and superheroes counts here, as does the Grecian
interpretation in Arion. Demon City also gets good ratings here. Patalliro!,
though I can only take a little of it, certainly had the most bizarre mixing
and parody of James Bond and Japanese culture I could have imagined. In
fact, to be honest, I don't think I COULD have imagined Patalliro...
3) Does a story that's damn good, even if it's been done well
elsewhere. Crusher Joe, Dirty Pair: Project EDEN, for example. Good animation
and, CJ especially, some very good use of both Space Opera cliche's and
realistic space scenes.
Even better, in this category, is GUNDAM. You don't GET character
development like this in the US. Movies are too short and our networks
are too timid to allow stuff like what happens to Camille Biden to happen
to standard TV characters.
4) Technical expertise or effects that are either impossible or
too expensive for live action. AKIRA; Demon City; Yoroiden Samurai
Troopers; Locke the Superman; etc.
Obviously my bias shows in my choice of subject matter, but that
is the point. The reason that people are drawn to anime is in large part
due to the fact that anime HAS something for EVERYONE.
Sea Wasp
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Saturday February 06 1993 00:08, Predecrement David wrote to All:
PD> have we seen in recent history that fit into these genres? "Buffy, the
PD> Vampire Slayer?"
Hey, leave Buffy outta this. :P Sheesh, I can't think of any release
that would relate to KOR at all anywhere in American Media. No wonder, as a
teen, I'm REALLY messed up.
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Andre A. Nurwono
>
>
>1. The babes. The mega-larger-than-fantasy babes. (Note: remember
> that over 90% of anime fans (my estimation) are male.)
>
>1. The violence. Able to be more graphic than any live-action film.
>
>3. The creative freedom of the artists.
>
>4. The fresh feeling of being exposed to a new culture.
>
>questions. Please post your feelings on this subject, and I will compile a
>list for posterity.
>
Looks like anime itself could open up a lot of possibilities
in social studies... Norton anthology of anime ? :) :)
Anime & pop-culture studies ?
Anyway, here's my list :
1. Its the result of an advanced culture.
It is an ART that has sucessfully become popular among its viewers.
And what a diversity of viewers !
It combines VISUAL ART, LITERATURE, AUDIO-VISUAL TECHNOLOGY,
FILM MAKING, EXCELLENT ORGANIZATIONAL & MARKETING SKILLS.
2. It has potential as an alternate media of pop-culture entertainment.
Look at people's enthusiasm ! Yes, there is something for
everyone. Have you ever got bored of Batman, Superman,
Spiderman, Ironman, X-men, etc ?
Have you ever gotten bored of Star Trek, a very old concept ?
Are you sick of artificial make-beleive 'psychological thrillers' ?
Are you sick of cop-shows ?
Well, here's something new for ya ! Well, there's also all of the
above if ya ever wanna see them differently !
3. It is still new here, and you still have control over what is going
on in this frontier. We might share much of the knowledge of
anime with each other, that is, this 'world' is not too big & diverse
yet, like music & movies, for instance. Who'll have the intention
of seeing movies every time a new one comes to your theater ?
But when KURENAI NO BUTA (Porco Rosso) came out, lots of people
were talking about it, and yet they search for more.
The same goes with Beauty & The Beast and Aladdin, and these are
both QUALITY ANIMATION which seemingly is in short supply.
4. It seems to succeed better as a consumer-driven entertainment
market. Here in USA, Hollywood dictates movie productions, and
Disney monopolizes good animation. Raplh Bakshi's works
sucks conceptually, so where's the animation not-just-for-kids ?
The industry sucks like hell and nobody is bold enough to
venture to this world.
Anyway, the scope (concept) of movies & entertainment is not diverse
enough yet here to satisfy everybody. ANIME seems to fill
in this hole very nicely.
Graveyard = good = sad.
Orange road = college = romantic w/o DUMB animal-house stereotypes.
Gundam = serial = long CONSISTENT story w/ multiple episodes.
Totoro = beautiful = REALISTIC characterization
All of which properties seem non-existent in ANY US entertainment
production.
5. My friends like it. (Or I like THEM for liking anime :)
6. ALLOFIT IS GODDAM ENTERTAINING !!
Including all romantic, political, philosophical, religious,
fantastic, erotic, dramatic, emotional, comic, blah blah blah,
which includes a wide range of human emotions depicted in
the acting, visual effects, sound effects, plot, etc etc etc...
So WHAT do I like ?
- The babes ? Yeah !
- The boobs (erotica) ? Yeah !
- The baka-istidicity (humor) ? Of course !
- The bullshit (cheesy scenes) ? Some
- The bombs (dramatic explosions) ? Yeaaa !
- The blood ? Yes !
- The quality ? Yeah !
- The stories ? Yeah !
- The messsage ? Especially (Honneamise, Fireflies, Kiki's, BGC, ...)
What can I say, this is the 1st time I've ever become
a fan of ANYTHING !
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Andre Nurwono | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha,
and...@cs.utexas.edu | thrust... (BOINNNG!)" - Daffy Duck