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DBZ: How did Gohan die?!

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Tony C. Chung

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May 18, 1994, 6:17:56 PM5/18/94
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-=]: > :"All hope lies with Gohan"? But, he's dead and out of the picture.
-=]: > :moment, Goku is trying to teach Goten and Trunks a "fusion" techniq
-=]: > :he learned while in the "other world" which allows two people of ab
-=]: > :same size and power to combine and create a new being with
special
-=]: >
-=]: > So how did Gohan die?
-=]:
-=]: I have no idea how he died. I'd like to know myself. I missed that
-=]: week's issue of Jump. :^(

Gohan is THOUGHT to have been killed, but he's not dead. Picollo
HEARD Begita said that Gohan is dead, and not even Begita was sure that
Gohan is dead. But in the latest issue of JUMP, Kaiyoshin found Gohan
and his sidekick (forgot his name), whom got reserected by Dragon Ball,
"healed" Gohan with the trick he did earlier when Gohan's energy was
taken at the tournament.
So, Gohan's not dead!

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Takehisa Ikeda

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May 19, 1994, 12:36:41 PM5/19/94
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>
> Gohan is THOUGHT to have been killed, but he's not dead. Picollo
> HEARD Begita said that Gohan is dead, and not even Begita was sure that
> Gohan is dead. But in the latest issue of JUMP, Kaiyoshin found Gohan
> and his sidekick (forgot his name), whom got reserected by Dragon Ball,
> "healed" Gohan with the trick he did earlier when Gohan's energy was
> taken at the tournament.
> So, Gohan's not dead!

Yay! Gohan's not dead! So. . .why did Vegita think he was dead? What
happened to Gohan? Why is he not dead? Why is Kaioushin-dude not dead? I
should read Jump more often. . . .

I guess that means Goku can do the fusion-thing with Gohan, now, huh?

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Takehisa Ikeda
ike...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu

Tony C. Chung

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May 19, 1994, 5:25:17 PM5/19/94
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-=[]: Yay! Gohan's not dead! So. . .why did Vegita think he was dead?
-=[]: What happened to Gohan? Why is he not dead? Why is Kaioushin-dude
-=[]: not dead? I should read Jump more often. . . .

Well, Begita (why do people spell it with a "V" when it's
phonetically
"B"?), before he blast his way out of the ship, felt Gohan's "ki"
disappear. So he thought Gohan died while fighting. What really happen
was that Gohan, while trying to protect Kaioshin, got hit by a energy
blast by the Goo. Kaioshin manage to disburst the energy blast which
released Gohan. But it seemed as though Gohan was hurt pretty bad,
which is why Begita couldn't feel his "ki". And the reason Kaioshin
didn't die was because Begita interupted the "killing" just in time
while he blasted out of the ship.


-=[]: I guess that means Goku can do the fusion-thing with Gohan, now,
-=[]: huh?

Who knows. =)

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Sea Wasp

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May 19, 1994, 9:53:17 PM5/19/94
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In article <2rglft$4...@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> to...@kaiwan.com (Tony C. Chung) writes:

>-=[]: Yay! Gohan's not dead! So. . .why did Vegita think he was dead?

> Well, Begita (why do people spell it with a "V" when it's
>phonetically
>"B"?)

Three obvious reasons:

1) the difference is NOT that obvious; I hear "Bejita" sometimes
when Napa says it, but when Gokuu says it, I hear "Vegita", as I do when
Vegita himself says it.

2) The "B" sound is an artifact of the confusion that the Japanese
language has for certain sounds -- like Belldandy/Velldandy/Verdandi.
L/R/D, B/V... these things are not cut-and-dried sounds in Japanese.

3) For the simple reason that the name comes from "Vegetable",
something obvious from the Saiyajin naming pattern, and therefore even
if the voice actors can't pronounce a V like a V, that's what it
SHOULD be.

, before he blast his way out of the ship, felt Gohan's "ki"
>disappear. So he thought Gohan died while fighting. What really happen
>was that Gohan, while trying to protect Kaioshin, got hit by a energy

I **REALLY*** need a synopsis of everything after the Cell Game.
I thought Kaio-sama lived in the afterworld, and thus if Gohan was there
he WAS dead -- just "Dead in training" rather than "dead and bored".


Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;

Edward A Weinstein

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May 20, 1994, 11:04:53 AM5/20/94
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>Yay! Gohan's not dead! So. . .why did Vegita think he was dead? What
>happened to Gohan? Why is he not dead? Why is Kaioushin-dude not dead? I
>should read Jump more often. . . .

I kinda had a suspicion that Toriyama would do something like this. If
Gohan isn't dead, the he's hurt pretty bad. Vegita took the last senzu,
and Bulma only brought back those "killed" by "evil people." Gohan isn't
dead, so he wasn't healed when Bulma brought the others back. So Gohan is
still out of the picture for the moment, making nim a valuable dea ex
machina (sp?) somewhere down the line......
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Tony C. Chung

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May 20, 1994, 11:21:53 AM5/20/94
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-=[]: 1) the difference is NOT that obvious; I hear "Bejita"
-=[]: sometimes when Napa says it, but when Gokuu says it, I hear
-=[]: "Vegita", as I do when Vegita himself says it.

Well, it's not so much the way they said it, but rather the way the
name is written. If you read the original Japanese version (rather than
some chinese translated version), you'll notice that whenever the name
"Bejita" (or "Vegita") is written, it's always "Be-Ji-Ta", since there's
no "Ve" equivilant in the Japanese "letters". Thought it may sound
different while spoken (like "hito" is sometimes pronounced as "shito"),
it is pronounced as, in writing, "Bejita".

-=[]: 2) The "B" sound is an artifact of the confusion that the
-=[]: Japanese language has for certain sounds -- like
-=[]: Belldandy/Velldandy/Verdandi. L/R/D, B/V... these things are not
-=[]: cut-and-dried sounds in Japanese.

Like the above, the written name for "Berudandy" starts with "Be"
since there's no equivalent for "Ve".

-=[]: 3) For the simple reason that the name comes from
-=[]: "Vegetable", something obvious from the Saiyajin naming pattern, and
-=[]: therefore even if the voice actors can't pronounce a V like a V,
-=[]: that's what it SHOULD be.

I don't know...I've seen a lot of Japanese posters where English is
used as the caption and many times they use different spellings for the
same character and/or word. For example, they've spelled "Begita" as
"Vegeta", "Vegita", "Vegeeta", "Bayjita", etc., etc. The same applies
to the way they spell "Saiyajin" where I've seen spellings such as
"Saiyan" or "Zaiyan". I guess not even THEY are sure how it's supposed
to be spelled! =)

-=[]: I **REALLY*** need a synopsis of everything after the Cell
-=[]: Game. I thought Kaio-sama lived in the afterworld, and thus if Gohan
-=[]: was there he WAS dead -- just "Dead in training" rather than "dead
-=[]: and bored".

Well, we're not dealing with Kaiyosama, rather Kaiyoshin whom
traveled from the "afterworld" to the mortal world. So, rather than
Gohan being at the "afterworld", it is Kaiyoshin who is in the mortal
world.

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Takehisa Ikeda

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May 21, 1994, 7:18:55 AM5/21/94
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> Well, Begita (why do people spell it with a "V" when it's
> phonetically
> "B"?), before he blast his way out of the ship, felt Gohan's "ki"
> disappear. So he thought Gohan died while fighting. What really happen
> was that Gohan, while trying to protect Kaioshin, got hit by a energy
> blast by the Goo. Kaioshin manage to disburst the energy blast which
> released Gohan. But it seemed as though Gohan was hurt pretty bad,
> which is why Begita couldn't feel his "ki". And the reason Kaioshin
> didn't die was because Begita interupted the "killing" just in time
> while he blasted out of the ship.

Thanks for the explanation! :)

As far as "Vegita" vs. "Begita" goes, it really doesn't matter. Just a
matter of preference. If you want his name spelled as it's pronounced in
Japanese, it should be "Begiita," anyway. So, neither one is right.
"Vegita" looks better, so some people spell it that way, is all. What's
that buttery stuff we get at movie theaters? The Japanese call it
"poppu-koon." Shall we spell it that way, phonetically, or can we spell
it "popcorn"?

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Takehisa Ikeda
ike...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu

Takehisa Ikeda

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May 21, 1994, 7:31:41 AM5/21/94
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> 3) For the simple reason that the name comes from "Vegetable",
> something obvious from the Saiyajin naming pattern, and therefore even
> if the voice actors can't pronounce a V like a V, that's what it
> SHOULD be.

Funny that you should mention "vegetable" and "Saiyajin."

How many of you knew that "saiya" is one of Toriyama-sensei's
play-on-words? If you take the "ya" and put it in front of "sai," you get
"yasai."

"Yasai" is the Japanese word for "vegetable." He then came up with
"Vegita" (from "vegetable," like you said) and "Nappa" (a Japanese
vegetable) as the names of two "saiya-jin."

Toriyama-san's characters' names are hilarious!

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Takehisa Ikeda
ike...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu

Takehisa Ikeda

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May 21, 1994, 7:36:33 AM5/21/94
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In article <2rh56d$h...@epicycle.lm.com>, sea...@epicycle.lm.com (Sea Wasp)
wrote:

> I **REALLY*** need a synopsis of everything after the Cell Game.
> I thought Kaio-sama lived in the afterworld, and thus if Gohan was there
> he WAS dead -- just "Dead in training" rather than "dead and bored".

We're talking about Kaioushin-sama. Kaioushin is the god of all the
kaiou's of the universe, one of which is our favorite, blue catfish-lookin'
kaiou-sama.

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Takehisa Ikeda
ike...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu

Takehisa Ikeda

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May 21, 1994, 7:42:31 AM5/21/94
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> I kinda had a suspicion that Toriyama would do something like this. If
> Gohan isn't dead, the he's hurt pretty bad. Vegita took the last senzu,
> and Bulma only brought back those "killed" by "evil people." Gohan isn't
> dead, so he wasn't healed when Bulma brought the others back. So Gohan is
> still out of the picture for the moment, making nim a valuable dea ex
> machina (sp?) somewhere down the line......

Wasn't Gohan killed once before and brought back to life? I thought that
was why he wasn't brought back when Bulma (or was it Yamucha?) made the
"bring back those killed by evil people" wish.

Actually, now that I think about it. . .what scene are you talking about?
I remember Yamucha asking Shen-ron to "bring back everyone who was killed
today EXCEPT the bad guys," not "BY the bad guys."
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Takehisa Ikeda
ike...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu

Michael Cayton

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May 21, 1994, 3:40:46 AM5/21/94
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Why is Vegita always spelled with a "V" instead of a "B"?
Well, isn't it obvious...It looks cooler.

gw...@csupomona.edu

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May 25, 1994, 5:12:24 PM5/25/94
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In article <ikeda.2-21...@slip1-11.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ike...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Takehisa Ikeda) writes:
>Wasn't Gohan killed once before and brought back to life? I thought that
>was why he wasn't brought back when Bulma (or was it Yamucha?) made the
>"bring back those killed by evil people" wish.

Gohan, unlike most of the people in his gang, have never died before. In fact,
all the kids of Goku's generation's Saiyajins (Saiyans?) have never died
(except for the different future where teenage Trunks came from, where Gohan
was killed, and Goten was never born).

BTW, the Kaiou-sama that we're familiar with (the one who trained Goku), to the
best of our knowledge, has never been killed before until Cell blew himself up,
so how come he's still dead? How can someone refuse to be resurrected when
everyone else was?

>--
>Takehisa Ikeda
>ike...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu

Glenn Wang
<gw...@csupomona.edu>

ARCADIA, THE PIRATE QUEEN

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May 25, 1994, 8:32:16 PM5/25/94
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Is it just me, or do the quests for the dragonballs seem kinda reptitious.
>From what I've heard, they go on a quest to find them, and alot of characters
get killed along the way. And when they find the dragonballs, they use them to
bring everyone back, and it all starts over again.

Arcadia

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