Complete Results: 1992 ANIME FAVORITES POLL!
Ryan Mathews
Well, the 1992 Anime Favorites Poll is finally over, and I'd like to
thank everyone who voted for making it such a success. By "success",
I mean the fact that there were over 50 votes, pretty good for the first
running of such a poll, and that the results were interesting, in most
categories. Here's a complete rundown of the results, with some brief
commentary.
BTW, there are bound to be some errors in the results, since I'm not
an anime ultra-expert, and I can only count what you send me. I got
some pretty weird lookin' votes...
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I was a little surprised at how many of the top vote-getters in the
Favorite Movie category were older movies, at least more than a couple
years old. Apparently not too many movies have come out recently that
really grab our attention. For all the commentary on Silent Mobius, it
got one vote.
Favorite Movie
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Wings of Honneamise................11
Laputa.............................10
Nausicaa...........................10
Macross: Do You Remember Love?......9
Akira...............................7
KOR: I Want to Return to that Day...7
Project A-ko........................7
Gundam: Char's Counterattack........4
Tonari no Totoro....................4
Urusei Yatsura: Beautiful Dreamer...4
Dirty Pair: Project Eden............3
Kiki's Delivery Service.............3
Lupin III: Castle Cagliostro........3
Windaria............................2
Tied with one: Angel's Egg, Captain Harlock: My Youth in Arcadia, Crusher
Joe, Five Star Stories, Kurenai no Buta, Megazone 23 part II,
Omohide Poroporo, Patlabor, Ranma 1/2 II, Silent Mobius, Touch, UY: Only You,
UY: Lum the Forever, UY 10th Anniversary, Venus Wars
Not too many surprises in the favorite TV series. Still, I hadn't expected
KOR to win by such a huge margin, and I thought UY and Nadia would've gotten
more votes.
Favorite TV Series
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Kimagure Orange Road........25
Ranma 1/2...................15
Maisson Ikkoku..............14
Urusei Yatsura...............5
Macross......................4
Nadia........................3
Patlabor.....................3
City Hunter..................2
Dirty Pair...................2
Giant Gorg...................2
Sailor Moon..................2
Yawara.......................2
Z Gundam.....................2
Tied with one: Cobra, Future Boy Conan, Genesis Climber Mospaeda,
Kureiyon Shinchan, Lamune + 40, Mobile Suit Gundam, Robotech, Saint Seiya,
Shurato, Teyande
This category was less than a success. As you'll see, people's taste in
OAVs is *incredibly* varied... (Oh, BTW: I've heard that some people
thought you couldn't vote for a single OAV that's part of a series. Sorry
if I wasn't clear.)
Favorite Single OAV
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Riding Bean.............9
KOR: Message in Rouge...4
Tied with two : Beast City, Black Magic M-66,
Bubble Gum Crisis: Deadly Vision, Bubble Gum Crisis: Scoop Chase,
Dirty Pair: Flight 005 Conspiracy, Gall Force: Eternal Story, Giant Robo #1,
GunBuster vol. 3, KOR: White Lovers, Outlanders, Sol Bianca (1),
Vampire Hunter D
Tied with one : Bubble Gum Crisis: Red Eyes, Bubble Gum Crisis: Revenge Road,
Burn Up, Dirty Pair: Affair of Nolandia, Demon Hunter Yohko,
The Enemy Are Pirates, Goshogun: Etranger, Iczer One special edition,
KOR: I Was a Fish, Then a Cat, KOR: A Star is Born, Laughing Target,
Leda: the Fantastic Adv. of Yohko, Maisson Ikkoku Karaoke video,
Macross Flashback 2012, MADOX 01: Metal Skin Panic, Megazone 23,
Minna Agechau, The Name of the Wind is Amnesia, Otaku No Video,
Project A-ko 3, Prefectural Earth Defense Force High School, Rhea Gall Force,
The Samurai, Space Family Carl Vinson, Spirit of Wonder, SuperGal,
Time Stranger, UY: Angry Sherbet, Vampire Princess Miyu #1,
Vampire Princess Miyu #2, Vampire Princess Miyu #4, Video Girl Ai 1
The OAV series went pretty much as I (should've) expected, with titles that
are easily available subtitled taking top marks.
Favorite OAV Series
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Vampire Princess Miyu.............14
Bubble Gum Crisis.................13
MS Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory...10
Record of Lodoss Wars..............9
Kimagure Orange Road...............6
Video Girl Ai......................5
Dominion...........................4
GunBuster..........................4
MS Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket..4
3X3 Eyes...........................3
Giant Robo.........................2
Tied with one: Chibi, Cyber City OEDO 808, Dirty Pair, Dream Hunter Rem,
Legend of Galactic Heroes, Otaku No Video, Patlabor P-series, Project A-ko,
Shurato, Slow Step, Tenchi Mayo
Not much I can say about the favorite male character, except the apparent
popularity of "cocky" characters...
Favorite Male Character
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Char Aznable (Gundam).............10
Kyosuke Kasuga (KOR)...............8
Bean Bandit (Riding Bean)..........6
Lupin III..........................6
Ranma Saotome (Ranma 1/2)..........6
Godai (Maisson Ikkoku).............3
Ryo Saeba (City Hunter)............3
Ryouga Hibiki (Ranma 1/2)..........3
Britain (Dominion).................2
Captain Harlock....................2
Hikaru Ichijo......................2
Leon McNichol (BGC)................2
Pavel/Pasu (Laputa)................2
Sanson (Nadia).....................2
Shilotsuge (Wings of Honneamise)...2
Yatsuya (Maisson Ikkoku)...........2
Tied with one: Shinohara Asuma (Patlabor), Bernie (0080), Boskone,
Leonardo Medinci Bundle (Goshogun), Roy Fokker (Macross), Yakumo Fuji
(3X3 Eyes), Anavel Gato (0083), Giev (Arslaan), Goemon (Lupin III),
Max Jinaus (Macross), Kashue (Record of Lodoss Wars), Kotatsu Neko (UY),
Largo (BGC), Locke, Kaneda (Akira), Mellowlink, Ataru Moroboshi (UY),
Amuro Rey (Gundam), Slayn (Record of Lodoss Wars), Son Goku (Dragonball),
Uesugi Tatsuya (Touch), Tetsuya (Outlanders), Dr. Tofu (Ranma 1/2),
Tuxedo Kamen (Sailor Moon), Kou Uraki (0083), Youta (Video Girl Ai),
Yang Wenli (Legend of Galactic Heroes)
One girl blew the rest of the field away...
Favorite Female Character
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Madoka Ayukawa (KOR).............18
Nausicaa..........................6
Miyu..............................5
Deedlit (Record of Lodoss Wars)...4
Lum (UY)..........................4
Shampoo (Ranma 1/2)...............4
Ai (Video Girl Ai)................3
Kyoko (Maisson Ikkoku)............3
Nene Romanova (BGC)...............3
Akane Tendou (Ranma 1/2)..........3
Vision (BGC)......................3
Priss (BGC)......... .............2
Eve (Megazone 23).................2
Kei (Dirty Pair)..................2
Kyoto Otanashi....................2
Linna (BGC).......................2
Minmei (Macross)..................2
Ranma-chan (Ranma 1/2)............2
Tied with one: Chen Agi (Char's Counterattack), A-ko, "demon woman from Beast
City", Grandis (Nadia), Misa Hayase (Macross), Kawai Iyona (Magical
Taruruuto-kun), Kahm (Outlanders), Leiquinni (Wings of Honneamise),
Katsumi Liqueur (Silent Mobius), Ling-Ling (3X3 Eyes), Asakura Minami (Touch),
Four Murasame, Nabiki, Izumi Noa (Patlabor), Taeko Okajima (Omohide Poroporo),
Leona Ozaki (Dominion), Oyuki (UY), Pai (3X3 Eyes), Rem (Dream Hunter Rem),
Ryoko (Tenchi Muyo), Sakura (UY), Dol Saten, Noriko Takaya (GunBuster),
Kuonji Ukyou, Yagami (Maisson Ikkoku), Yui (Megazone 23)
The Character Designer category was a race to the finish between two very
respected names. The brackets are for when people voted for "The guy who
did such-and-such". Care to help me fill them in?
Favorite Character Designer
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Kenichi Sonoda.........18
Haruhiko Mikimoto......16
Akemi Takada............8
Hayao Miyazaki..........5
Rumiko Takahashi........5
Masamune Shirow.........4
Toshihiro Hirano........2
Johji Manabe............2
Yoshiyuki Sadamoto......2
Tied with one: [Wings of Honneamise], [Patlabor, KOR, MI], [KOR],
Robert DeJesus, ??? Kawajiri, Hiroyuki Kitazume, Yasuomi Umetsu,
Quattro Vageena (???), Nob. Yuuki
Not much interest was displayed in the Mecha Designer category. Just
barely enough to get a winner. I doubt this category will be around
next year.
Favorite Mecha Designer
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Nagano Mamoru.........3
Yutaka Izubuchi.......2
Masonori Kawamori.....2
Shoji Kawamori........2
[Macross].............2
Kenichi Sonoda........2
Tied with one: [0083], [Patlabor], [BGC], B-ko :-), Masamune Shirow,
Yoshiyuki Tomino
Suprisingly, not much interest in the writer category, either. Most
of those who did vote voted fairly predictably.
Favorite Writer
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Rumiko Takahashi.....14
Hayao Miyazaki.......11
Izumi Matsumoto.......4
Toshimichi Sukuki.....3
Yoshiyuki Tomino......3
Mamoru Nagano.........2
Masamune Shirow.......2
Tied with one: [Wings of Honneamise], [Macross], [KOR], Noboru Aikawa,
Toshihiro Hirano, Toshio Okada, Katsuhiro Otomo, Haruka Takachiho,
Akemi Takada, Yuzo Takada, Motoki Tanaka, "Dynamic pro, inc"
I think it was a foregone conclusion who would win Favorite Director.
Still, there were quite a number of different votes in this category.
Favorite Director
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Hayao Miyazaki......15
Hideki Anno..........3
Toshihiro Hirano.....2
Oshii Mamoru.........2
Isao Takahata........2
Yoshiyuki Tomino.....2
Tied with one: [Wings of Honneamise], ["Presence"--Robot Carnival], [KOR],
Gooda Hiroaki, Kase Mitsuko, Go Nagai, Masami Obari, Yasuomi Umetsu
The studio category was much more successful than I had expected. Some
people voted for Artmic/Youmex as one company, some as two. Not knowing
what else to do, I recorded a vote for each in those cases. Gainax did
pretty well considering their recent lack of output.
Favorite Studio
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Artmic...............11
Gainax................8
Kitty.................3
Studio Madhouse.......3
Studio Pierrot........3
Youmex................3
Pony Canyon...........2
Studio Ghibli.........2
Tokyo Movie Shinsha...2
Tied with one: [KOR], AIC, Bandai, Dynamic Pro, Headgear, Jackstudios,
Studio Nue, Sunrise, Toei
Uh, I don't think I'll be doing Favorite BGM next year. I think I'll
probably replace it with a category for the anime with the best music.
Man, can't more than four of you agree on the same track? :-)
Favorite BGM Song or Track
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"Konya wa Hurricane" (BGC)............4
"Say Yes" (BGC).......................4
"Never the End" (BGC).................3
"Adesso e Fortuna" (RoLW).............2
"Do You Remember Love?" (Macross).....2
"Orange Mystery" (KOR)................2
"Victory" (BGC).......................2
Windaria end theme....................2
Tied with one: "Actress in the Mirror" (KOR), "Ano Hini" (Video Girl Ai),
"Ano Sorao Ukishimete", "Another Yesterday" (KOR), "Akuma to Tenshi no Kiss"
(BGC) "Asu e Touchdown" (BGC), "Bara no Soldier" (BGC), "Beyond the Time"
(Char's Counterattack), BGC 2 opening, BGC 5 ending, "Burning Love" (KOR),
"Bye Bye My Crisis" (BGC), Char's Counterattack entire soundtrack,
"Chase the Dream" (BGC), Dream Hunter Rem theme, "Eternal Wind", "Friends"
(Ranma 1/2), "Follow Your Dreams" (Project A-ko), "Get Chance"
(Project A-ko 3), "Glass Moon" (Video Girl Ai), "Hello Sadness" (Maisson
Ikkoku), "Joe Hisaishi's compositions for Miyazaki (Kiki's Delivery Service)",
"Kanashii no Idol" (Megazone 23 part II), "Kimi ws Nosete", KOR 2nd season
ending theme, KOR movie closing theme, Laputa opening theme, Laputa end theme,
"Little Date" (Ranma 1/2), "Lum no Love Song" (UY), "Mad Machine", "Mou
Nakanaide" (Ranma 1/2), Nadia theme, "Natsu no Mirage" (KOR), Nausicaa main
theme, New Nautilus theme, Ohmu theme (Nausicaa), Ranma 1/2 1st season
opening theme, Record of Lodoss Wars entire soundtrack, Robot Carnival theme,
Ryu Dolqs theme (Ryger), "Saliva No Hana" (KOR), "Stardust Memories" (BGC!),
"Techno-Fugue" (Dominion), Tonari no Totoro main theme, "Tonogata Gomen
Asobase" (UY), Video Girl Ai track #4, VPM action music, ZZ Gundam 2nd end
theme
There was a slight problem with the subtitled production category, in that
I never specified whether to vote for for series or individual works. Since
people did both, I took the votes for individual works (say a certain UY
tape), and consolidated them with the votes for the entire series.
Most votes were for professional works, which will seem curious once you read
the results for "translating organization". The vote for Devil Hunter Yohko
was interesting, seeing as how the subbed version hasn't come out yet (or
is it a fan-subbed version?).
Favorite Subtitled Production
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Bubble Gum Crisis (AnimEigo).......13
Kimagure Orange Road (AnimEigo)....10
Urusei Yatsura (AnimEigo, CPM)......8
Vampire Princess Miyu (AnimEigo)....8
Project A-ko (US Manga Corps).......7
GunBuster (USRenditions)............2
Gundam 0083 (Operation X)...........2
Riding Bean (AnimEigo)..............2
Wings of Honneamise.................2
Tied with one: Akira, Devil Hunter Yohko (ADVision),
Gundam 0080 (Arctic Animation, Operation X?), Laputa, Macross, 3X3 Eyes
Got a lot of snide comments rather than votes in the following category. :-)
The winning dubs have been much maligned on the net, but they won anyway.
Favorite Dubbed Production
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Akira (Streamline)...................8
Cagliostro Castle (Streamline).......5
Laputa...............................3
Macross II (L.A. Hero)...............3
Nadia (Streamline)...................3
Robotech (Harmony Gold/Streamline)...3
Fist of the Northstar (Streamline)...2
Orguss (L.A. Hero)...................2
Sherlock Hound.......................2
Speed Racer..........................2
Tied with one : Battle of the Planets (Sandy Frank), Dominion,
Galaxy Express 999, Guyver, Kiki's Delivery Service, Macross, "Pinesalad",
Running Man (Collosal Pictures version), Samurai Pizza Cats, Sea Prince and
Fire Child, Tonari No Totoro, Vampire Hunter "D" (Streamline), Venus Wars,
Zillion (Streamline)
As for translating organization, we all knew who was going to win. I think
secodn place is a lot more interesting. But I figured OpX's Gundam stuff
would've gotten more votes in the sub category...
Favorite Translating Organization
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AnimEigo...........28
Operation X.........9
USRenditions........5
Arctic Animation....4
US Manga Corps......4
Ranma Project.......3
Streamline..........2
Tied with one: ADVision, AXIS, Greyscale Studios, Robert Guttierez,
Nocturnal Aviation
And finally, the favorite english-language anime magazine. Again, I found
second place to be a big surprise. I'm glad I changed the category from
"Favorite American Anime Magazine"
Favorite English-language Magazine
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Animag.................13
Anime UK................7
V-Max...................7
Protoculture Addicts....6
Animerica...............4
Mangajin................4
Animenonimous...........3
Mecha Press.............2
Tied with one: Anime Electronic Velocity, Mangazine
Well, that's it! Thanks again for your participation, and I hope to
start this all over again next December!
---------- Ryan Mathews
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*poll deleted*
Yes and again Wings of Honneamaise wins again! Gosh maybe I've been
talking to the wrong people on this movie. I've only met one person that likes
this movie, am I wrong about this or has this poll been stuffed too?
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Sea Wasp
> *poll deleted*
>Yes and again Wings of Honneamaise wins again! Gosh maybe I've been
>talking to the wrong people on this movie. I've only met one person that likes
We must be talking to similar groups. I have yet to hear anything
really positive about Wings of Mayonnaise except the artwork. Of course,
if the movie has a gloomy or dark tendency, that might explain it; most of
the group of people I interact with prefer movies with good endings and
distinguishable heroes (albeit often heroes with flaws); OTOH, a lot of
the people on r.a.a seem to like either the bubbleheaded stuff like
Ranma, UY, etc, or dark, gloomy plotlines.
Sea Wasp
christian gadeken
You guys *must* be talking to the wrong people:The anime club here in
Austin shows WoH an average of once a year. No, Sea Wasp, it's not
dark and gloomy, although it has its share of adversity, I actually
think it's rather uplifting(Thank you, David Brin :). My guess is
you've been talking to people who don't like stuff unless it's got
lots of explosions and babes in tight outfits. (Either that or
they've been watching unsubbed copies, I freely admit it's a *lot*
easier to enjoy subtitled.) Anyway, I voted for Nausicaa and UY2
but I'm not surprised WoH won.
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Sea Wasp
>You guys *must* be talking to the wrong people:The anime club here in
>Austin shows WoH an average of once a year. No, Sea Wasp, it's not
>dark and gloomy,
That was just a guess on my part; the actual comments from everyone
who's seen it have all amounted to
"The most boring thing I have ever seen."
although it has its share of adversity, I actually
>think it's rather uplifting(Thank you, David Brin :). My guess is
>you've been talking to people who don't like stuff unless it's got
>lots of explosions and babes in tight outfits. (Either that or
>they've been watching unsubbed copies, I freely admit it's a *lot*
>easier to enjoy subtitled.)
I dunno if they've had subbed copies or not. I know that the
explosions-and-babes isn't the answer -- 90% of them are female and
not interested in IJG's ("Independently jiggling gazongas", thanks
to whoever it was on this group who came up with that one).
Now, maybe the hero wasn't cute enough. THAT might be motivation,
since Char gets watched for hunk points, and the God-Warrior shows they like
all feature cute young men.
Anyway, I voted for Nausicaa and UY2
>but I'm not surprised WoH won.
I don't think I voted. I don't have an extensive enough experience
to vote in some of those categories.
Sea Wasp
Shinohara H Industries
<Stuff deleted>
Hey you did that fast! I think KOR won hands down because most
of December and January consisted of Orange Road threads.. I wonder how
Madoka would do 'off season'. (Of course she'd still win by a margin,
but maybe not 3 to 1 like this past one..)
As for the r.a.a polling, it's on it's way.. some people
cheated though, so I stopped compiling data for a while. (Madoka is
going to win.. despite heavy Kyoko Otonashi ballot stuffing).
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Benjamin Wai
sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>In article <1lu64q...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> chr...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (christian gadeken) writes:
>>You guys *must* be talking to the wrong people:The anime club here in
>>Austin shows WoH an average of once a year. No, Sea Wasp, it's not
>>dark and gloomy,
>
> That was just a guess on my part; the actual comments from everyone
>who's seen it have all amounted to
>
> "The most boring thing I have ever seen."
>
Just for info... Here at P.A.C., there were two shows which have
received the biggest applauses in our two years of operation.
One is the WoH, the other one is the KOR movie. The attendences
for these two meetings were 80 and 110 respectively.
- Benjamin Wai < w...@cn.ecn.purdue.edu > < w...@sage.cc.purdue.edu >
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>Yes and again Wings of Honneamaise wins again! Gosh maybe I've been
>talking to the wrong people on this movie. I've only met one person that likes
>this movie, am I wrong about this or has this poll been stuffed too?
Although I didn't vote on the polls. Wings of Honneamaise is probably one of
my favorites. May be the people who voted were fans of the "serious subjects"
anime. Polls like these does not say anything about what kind of people voted
(except that they have great taste :p)
In any case, why would people waste effort stuffing ballot boxes any way.
Anime is entertaining, fun, and even educational, but it does not reduce
deficit, or improve health-care. Results are probably forgotten within a
month or so. I find it hard to believe people on the net are sneaking around,
breaking into other people's account, just so they could cheat on the voting.
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Alan Takahashi
>>You guys *must* be talking to the wrong people:The anime club here in
>>Austin shows WoH an average of once a year. No, Sea Wasp, it's not
>>dark and gloomy,
>
> That was just a guess on my part; the actual comments from everyone
>who's seen it have all amounted to
>
> "The most boring thing I have ever seen."
I've actually gotten two kinds of reactions to "Wings":
- Those who think the movie is *really* good
- Those who think the movie was booooorrrrring...
Interestingly enough, the groups above also split into those who
understood the movie dialogue and those who didn't. Which groups
went with which is left as an exercise for the reader... :-)
This is a *very* dialogue-intensive movie with little external
action and a great deal of character exploration and development.
As such, if you don't understand what the 'talking heads' are
saying, there's really not much left to the movie...
If you haven't guessed which group *I* fall into by now, look
at the rating that I gave "Wings" in the Pocket Guide...
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E. Kontei
> In article <C2Lq3...@news.cso.uiuc.edu> k...@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer) writes:
> > *poll deleted*
> >Yes and again Wings of Honneamaise wins again! Gosh maybe I've been
> >talking to the wrong people on this movie.
>
> really positive about Wings of Mayonnaise except the artwork.
"Awright! An ARGUMENT!!!"
[Conty brandishes his trusty keyboard, and with a resounding
"GYAAAAA!" jumps into the fray...]
What I like about WINGS OF HONNEAMISE:
- The world. The *incredible* amounts of detail put into the Honneamisean
culture, history, and technology. From cars to kitchenware to
architecture to publicity posters and artistic murals, the world of
Honneamise makes a coherent whole.
- The plot. The kind of plot Hollywood scriptwriters would sell their
souls to write. The kind of plot that doesn't pull any punches by
showing you characters who are, above all, human. The kind of plot
that manages to be sublime and mundane, epic and humanistic, cautionary
and optimistic (and sometimes several at once).
- The animation. WINGS OF HONNEAMISE has some of the best flight/fight
sequences in anime (as discussed in another thread).
- The music... no, never mind, the music wasn't all that hot. But then
again, I'm not a fan of E-music. (Now watch the Ryuichi Sakamoto fans
flame *me*...)
That positive enough for you? :-)
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Dan Bongard
>Yes and again Wings of Honneamaise wins again! Gosh maybe I've been
>talking to the wrong people on this movie. I've only met one person that likes
>this movie, am I wrong about this or has this poll been stuffed too?
You are totally wrong, I'm afraid. :(
There are, indeed, many people who like this movie.
I personally think it is one of the best movies I've ever seen, and
that includes (gasp!) non-anime films. Ah, well.
Greg Vilardi
WoH. It has a wonderful plot that really has a lot of hidden detail that you
won't see without a good script. I re-TeXed a copy of one of the ftp-able ones
and added scene notes and some other things.
There is a lot of character development, and I can see why people might not like
the movie, if they like clear cut heroes. Shiro is just an average lazy guy who
finds direction in his life slowly. I find the whole thing fascinating and yes,most definitely uplifting.
See it with a good script, and decide for yourself. _Every_ otaku I know, and
everyone else I have showed it to have enjoyed it. As always, your mileage may
vary.
-Greg
P.S. If there are any TeX folks who would like a copy, I can e-mail a few out,
though if there is a large demand, I'll try to find an ftp site.
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A Techno-Discordian
>really positive about Wings of Mayonnaise except the artwork. Of course,
>if the movie has a gloomy or dark tendency, that might explain it; most of
>the group of people I interact with prefer movies with good endings and
>distinguishable heroes (albeit often heroes with flaws); OTOH, a lot of
>the people on r.a.a seem to like either the bubbleheaded stuff like
>Ranma, UY, etc, or dark, gloomy plotlines.
Wings is not exactly a happy movie, but it's not depressing either. I think
I like it because it convey a sense of wonder by the end of the movie.
Overall, there is a positive sense of motivation that the human race is going
somewhere.
Paul
Ken Primer
>> We must be talking to similar groups. I have yet to hear anything
>>really positive about Wings of Mayonnaise except the artwork. Of course,
>>if the movie has a gloomy or dark tendency, that might explain it; most of
>>the group of people I interact with prefer movies with good endings and
>>distinguishable heroes (albeit often heroes with flaws); OTOH, a lot of
>>the people on r.a.a seem to like either the bubbleheaded stuff like
>>Ranma, UY, etc, or dark, gloomy plotlines.
>
>You guys *must* be talking to the wrong people:The anime club here in
>Austin shows WoH an average of once a year. No, Sea Wasp, it's not
>dark and gloomy, although it has its share of adversity, I actually
>think it's rather uplifting(Thank you, David Brin :). My guess is
>you've been talking to people who don't like stuff unless it's got
>lots of explosions and babes in tight outfits. (Either that or
>they've been watching unsubbed copies, I freely admit it's a *lot*
>easier to enjoy subtitled.) Anyway, I voted for Nausicaa and UY2
>but I'm not surprised WoH won.
the time. It's just that the story drags...and the people who agree with me
say the same thing (except Sea wasp who's opinion I don't know yet). Yes there
are people who like this movie but to be called the best suprised me a bit....
I think there was ballot stuffing on this one.
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Sea Wasp
>In article <41...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>> We must be talking to similar groups. I have yet to hear anything
>> really positive about Wings of Mayonnaise except the artwork.
>What I like about WINGS OF HONNEAMISE:
>- The world. The *incredible* amounts of detail put into the Honneamisean
> culture, history, and technology. From cars to kitchenware to
> architecture to publicity posters and artistic murals, the world of
> Honneamise makes a coherent whole.
Interesting. I read the whole Silmarillion, too, because of the detail
it gave Middle-Earth. I admit, that sounds like a very positive thing.
>- The plot. The kind of plot Hollywood scriptwriters would sell their
> souls to write. The kind of plot that doesn't pull any punches by
> showing you characters who are, above all, human. The kind of plot
> that manages to be sublime and mundane, epic and humanistic, cautionary
> and optimistic (and sometimes several at once).
Oh-oh. Warning bells going off all over, here. This sounds like the
kind of comments given about "serious films" -- like Chariots of Fire or
Jacob's Ladder.
Anything artsy is automatically struggling for its life. Good
reviews with words like "sublime", "characters who are HUMAN", and so on,
are red flags to KEEP AWAY, DANGER WIL ROBINSON! This is a four alarm
snoozer!
>- The animation. WINGS OF HONNEAMISE has some of the best flight/fight
> sequences in anime (as discussed in another thread).
That's the only positive thing I've heard directly, except for
>- The music... no, never mind, the music wasn't all that hot. But then
The music. Supposed to be some of the best. Ah well.
I'll have to get a copy someday.
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
christian gadeken
>
>>- The plot. The kind of plot Hollywood scriptwriters would sell their
>> souls to write. The kind of plot that doesn't pull any punches by
>> showing you characters who are, above all, human. The kind of plot
>> that manages to be sublime and mundane, epic and humanistic, cautionary
>> and optimistic (and sometimes several at once).
>
> Oh-oh. Warning bells going off all over, here. This sounds like the
>kind of comments given about "serious films" -- like Chariots of Fire or
>Jacob's Ladder.
>
> Anything artsy is automatically struggling for its life. Good
>reviews with words like "sublime", "characters who are HUMAN", and so on,
>are red flags to KEEP AWAY, DANGER WIL ROBINSON! This is a four alarm
>snoozer!
CYNICISM ALERT!! CYNICISM ALERT!! CYNICISM ALERT!!
Somebody help me tie this guy to a chair so we can show him 72 straight
hours of Miyazaki films. :)
Seriously, I've never seen Chariots of Fire(and don't intend to) but
I wouldn't use the sort of language you mention to describe "Jacob's
Ladder." Something like "roller-coaster ride through Hell a.k.a
New York." would be closer. It does have "meaningful" bits but
they're not the be-all and end-all of the film.
And if you don't like stories where the characters are human, I can
only assume you're a big fan of such 3-dimensional people as
the ones in "Tale of Two Robots."
Remember:Death is just Nature's way of telling you to slow down.
Darold Higa
Here here! [Wild applause] Thank you Enrique. Well said.
This film is a true CINEMATIC masterpiece. Intelligent script, fascinating
world, beautiful art...if that's not enough, then I shudder to think what
WOULD be defined as good.
Darold "Godai" Higa of Ikkoku-kan
Darold Higa
OOPS! Music, I forgot the music! Sakamoto did a beautiful job creating
music that is both familiar and foreign at the same time. I admired his
work on Last Emperor, and the BGM for this movie is simply INCREDIBLE!!!
Art=Boring? Mozart was pop music in his time! Shakespeare was the
Elizabethan version of TV! I find this criticism of "artistic" somewhat
mystifying. Is T+A the only reason for watching anime? Sigh. No wonder
Patlabor isn't that popular here...what a waste of a good plot.
Sea Wasp
>In article <41...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>> Anything artsy is automatically struggling for its life. Good
>>reviews with words like "sublime", "characters who are HUMAN", and so on,
>>are red flags to KEEP AWAY, DANGER WIL ROBINSON! This is a four alarm
>>snoozer!
>CYNICISM ALERT!! CYNICISM ALERT!! CYNICISM ALERT!!
>Somebody help me tie this guy to a chair so we can show him 72 straight
>hours of Miyazaki films. :)
You'll never take me alive!
>I wouldn't use the sort of language you mention to describe "Jacob's
>Ladder." Something like "roller-coaster ride through Hell a.k.a
>New York." would be closer. It does have "meaningful" bits but
>they're not the be-all and end-all of the film.
Language of that sort was precisely what was used by several reviews
of the film, not to mention the rabid fans of it I encountered (I rated
it as the second-worst movie I had ever been to, and by far the most
gut-level annoying [number one was Highlander II: The Sickening... er,
QUICKENING])
>And if you don't like stories where the characters are human, I can
>only assume you're a big fan of such 3-dimensional people as
>the ones in "Tale of Two Robots."
Depends on what you mean. Most reviews that mention "human" characters
mean "bundles of babbling neuroses".
I like heroes. I KNOW plenty of bundles of babbling neuroses. I know
a lot of ORDINARY types. Why should I waste my time watching MORE of them?
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
she...@yang.earlham.edu
>> souls to write. The kind of plot that doesn't pull any punches by
>> showing you characters who are, above all, human. The kind of plot
>> that manages to be sublime and mundane, epic and humanistic, cautionary
>> and optimistic (and sometimes several at once).
>
> Oh-oh. Warning bells going off all over, here. This sounds like the
> kind of comments given about "serious films" -- like Chariots of Fire or
> Jacob's Ladder.
Some of us happen to *like* serious films, wasp.
> Anything artsy is automatically struggling for its life.
Do tell, Mr. Roger Egbert. Define what you mean by "artsy".
> Good
> reviews with words like "sublime", "characters who are HUMAN", and so on,
> are red flags to KEEP AWAY, DANGER WIL ROBINSON! This is a four alarm
> snoozer!
Wasp, I could remark about the same qualities in Gundam 0083 with regards
to seeing characters who are "human". Does this automatically relegate 0083
to the "four alarm snoozer" category? I think not. 0083 is some of the
best anime I have ever seen, yet I see many "human" characters and many
things that are "sublime". I liked these qualities of the show, as well as
the action.
Good writing and characterization (which appears to be something you find
boring) makes for a good movie as well; there is more to film/TV anime than
artwork, music, and body count. Stop judging a book by its cover, wasp.
> I'll have to get a copy someday.
Do that. Maybe after you have actually *seen* the film you can review it
with some degree of skill. Until then, restrain yourself from slamming a
film you have never seen. It doesn't present a positive picture of you.
Isaac Sher
Co-convener of Anime-Earlham
Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana
Tonghyun Kim
>Art=Boring? Mozart was pop music in his time! Shakespeare was the
>Elizabethan version of TV! I find this criticism of "artistic" somewhat
>mystifying. Is T+A the only reason for watching anime? Sigh. No wonder
>Patlabor isn't that popular here...what a waste of a good plot.
Huh? I thought Patlabor was very popular among American anime fans,
at least as much as in Japan.
Also I don't think the quality of plot has anything to do with the
popularity/commercial success of an anime. Just look at how bad WoH
and Patlabor the Movie did at the theatres in Japan.
Wings of Honneamise 400 million yen (production cost 800 million)
Patlabor 100 million yen
Still they're two of the best anime movies, IMHO.
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> Depends on what you mean. Most reviews that mention "human" characters
>mean "bundles of babbling neuroses".
> I like heroes. I KNOW plenty of bundles of babbling neuroses. I know
>a lot of ORDINARY types. Why should I waste my time watching MORE of them?
You know, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but why don't you
actually WATCH Wings of Honneamise before you engage in a lengthy
discussion of its merits?
And, for what it's worth, WoH is nothing at all like Jacob's
Ladder. Though, in terms of how "fast-paced" it is, Chariots of Fire
is not really all that bad a comparason. Of course, I thought
Chariots of Fire was a fantastic movie, too. (hmm... so is Jacob's
Ladder, but that's not important here).
If you watch anime for the T&A and blood&guts -- which, mind you,
is as good a reason as any -- you probably will be bored out of your
skull. If, on the other hand, you enjoy movies with an actual
_plot_, you might find WoH good.
I have said many times that, of all the animated films I have seen,
only Wings of Honneamise qualifies as a movie in its own right
(i.e., it would have been just as good "live" as animated).
(not to detract from Miyazaki)
Ken Primer
>
>Huh? I thought Patlabor was very popular among American anime fans,
>at least as much as in Japan.
>
>Also I don't think the quality of plot has anything to do with the
>popularity/commercial success of an anime. Just look at how bad WoH
>and Patlabor the Movie did at the theatres in Japan.
>
>Wings of Honneamise 400 million yen (production cost 800 million)
>Patlabor 100 million yen
>
I had no intention to start a WOH flamewar, I was only questioning the poll
that stated it was the best movie of al time. Yes now I realize that there
are indeed alot of RAA readers who love WOH. Was it a success outside of
fandom? Nope...
This kind of is like the poll in 1936 that predicted Alf Landon would
beat Franklin Roosevelt in a landslide election. After Roosevelt won
by a landslide it was discovered that the poll was conducted by phone, where
most of the people who could afford phones(this was the great dpression)
were staunch Republicans, and those who weren't polled were strong Roosevelt
voters. I guess box office will continue to be the true measure of a movie's
popularity and the academy awards will be the critics favorites.
E. Kontei
>
> Oh-oh. Warning bells going off all over, here. This sounds like the
> kind of comments given about "serious films" -- like Chariots of Fire or
> Jacob's Ladder.
Oh, but WINGS also has chases, a big fight at the end, and even a second
or two of jiggling breasts...
Sea Wasp
>> Good
>> reviews with words like "sublime", "characters who are HUMAN", and so on,
>> are red flags to KEEP AWAY, DANGER WIL ROBINSON! This is a four alarm
>> snoozer!
>Wasp, I could remark about the same qualities in Gundam 0083 with regards
>to seeing characters who are "human". Does this automatically relegate 0083
>to the "four alarm snoozer" category? I think not.
Dunno, haven't seen that one. My Gundam Guru said that the later Gundam
shows became knockoffs of the prior ones, without Newtypes, of course.
Depends on what one defines as "human" -- see my later post on the
subject.
>Do that. Maybe after you have actually *seen* the film you can review it
>with some degree of skill. Until then, restrain yourself from slamming a
>film you have never seen. It doesn't present a positive picture of you.
My, my, defensive today, eh? I NEVER slammed WoH. I simply repeated
what I had heard about it, and commented on what I consider warning
signals for overly pretentious shows. Not once did I say "Wings of H is
BAD"; I did, however, express my surprise at the ratings because
"All my usually reliable sources say it's bad."
Read postings more carefully.
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Sea Wasp
> You know, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but why don't you
>actually WATCH Wings of Honneamise before you engage in a lengthy
>discussion of its merits?
I will. I haven't discussed its merits or anything of the sort.
I repeated what was told to me, by usually reliable people, about the
movie. I then responded to semi-descriptive comments about the movie
with my opinion that they were the kinds of comments usually made about
movies I come to loathe.
> And, for what it's worth, WoH is nothing at all like Jacob's
>Ladder. Though, in terms of how "fast-paced" it is, Chariots of Fire
>is not really all that bad a comparason. Of course, I thought
>Chariots of Fire was a fantastic movie, too. (hmm... so is Jacob's
>Ladder, but that's not important here).
Actually, it might be. I consider pacing to be a pretty damn
important part of a movie. CoF had no pacing, and JL had nondirectional
pacing, which adds up to slow, slow pacing. If WoH is as slow, believe
me, it's a snoozer even if the actual STORY is better than Casablanca.
> If you watch anime for the T&A and blood&guts -- which, mind you,
Not likely T&A if I'm watching a lot of Saint Seiya. Blood and
guts I can take or leave -- I want it there if it makes sense to have it
there, but if it's gratuitous that bothers me.
>skull. If, on the other hand, you enjoy movies with an actual
>_plot_, you might find WoH good.
Well, what IS an "Actual Plot"?
I'm serious; I've heard this line a lot of times, but I've never
been quite clear on what people MEAN by "actual plot".
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
E. Kontei
>
> I guess box office will continue to be the true measure of a movie's
> popularity
True. But popular != good. They're not opposites either, but there's
not a lot of relation between them. A good film *might* become popular,
but a popular film won't become good by sake of being popular.
Or do you think that ALLADIN was the best American film made in 1992?
It had the highest box-office.
Do you think that HOME ALONE and ET were the best movies ever made?
I still maintain my opinion that WINGS OF HONNEAMISE and OMOHIDE POROPORO
(which BTW had the bigges box-office of any Japanese film in the year it
was released) are the two best anime films ever made...
Roger P. Ang
For me, I just never got attached to WoH because it left me
"unfulfilled" (for lack of a better word). Never could understand the
character Riquinni (sp?). But got to admit, the launch prep to
closing sequence are a "must see" for any anime fan.
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Irvine? Where's Irvine? Grad student at the
In the heart of the Orange Curtain. Dept. of Information & Computer Sci.
Oh no! The poor fool. Univ. of California, Irvine. USA
Doctor Enigma
>>- The music... no, never mind, the music wasn't all that hot. But then
> The music. Supposed to be some of the best. Ah well.
It's not Sakamoto's best, but his mediocrity is everyone else's excellence.
I'd rate it as my second favorite anime BGM (Akira's tops.)
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>In article <41...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea
Wasp) >writes:
>
>>
>> Oh-oh. Warning bells going off all over, here. This sounds like the
>> kind of comments given about "serious films" -- like Chariots of Fire or
>> Jacob's Ladder.
>
>Oh, but WINGS also has chases, a big fight at the end, and even a second
>or two of jiggling breasts...
Well it was done by Gainax wasn't it? I'm currently investigating the
theory that Gainax funded the Ranma 1/2 movie 2.
Rob
Master of Sinus
(snot what you think)
Michael Studte
In article <C2Lq3...@news.cso.uiuc.edu> k...@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
> *poll deleted*
> Yes and again Wings of Honneamaise wins again! Gosh maybe I've been
> talking to the wrong people on this movie. I've only met one person that likes
> this movie, am I wrong about this or has this poll been stuffed too?
Well, it's in my top three movies of all time. Highly underrated in
some fan circles.
With a good sub you can keep a group of 100+ spellbound. :)
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Andre A. Nurwono
>>> really positive about Wings of Mayonnaise except the artwork.
>
the same popular movies with lots of dramatic plotlines.
But NOT the second time I watched it. I felt it to be romantic.
The THIRD time, I began to develop a REAL LIKING to it !!
I began to realize LOTS of things I didn't notice in the first place.
Why ? Read below ! And I always found something new, the 4th, 5th, 6th
and 7th time I watched it !!
>>What I like about WINGS OF HONNEAMISE:
>>- The world. The *incredible* amounts of detail put into the Honneamisean
>> culture, history, and technology. From cars to kitchenware to
>> architecture to publicity posters and artistic murals, the world of
>> Honneamise makes a coherent whole.
You took the words right out of my mouth there...
It was great how they developed almost EVERYTHING on this world
- Its a literary masterpiece as well as an animation masterpiece !!
This should be in Norton's anthology of world masterpieces !!
Notice we never see purely 'entertaining shows' here.
- They created its own culture, by god ! which includes :
- Religion
Details on how different people interpret religion & spirituality
-- realization struck me as how close it was it resembles real
life, and how similar to how we really ponder about it in real life.
- History (remember the game of CIVILIZATION ? The discovery of
Fire, Masonry, Construction, Bronze working, Iron working,
Theory of Gravity, Automobile, Flight, Nuclear Fission,
Labor Union, Democracy, etc ... -- Space Flight !!
- Architecture
Have you noticed on how their windows open DOWNWARDS instead of
how we usually push it upwards ?
- Fashion
Yes, they have formal dress, and normal dress.
- Philosophy
Compromise of the self against idealism. Self denial.
Their purpose of existence. The general wondered what his purpose
was. He found his own answer within. Shiro volunteered.
How do you interpret this ? His emotions & ideals ?
- Social structure
The unemployed exists, (I take it you don't consider Presidential Speeches
as interesting :), how people protest against government spending,
argue about the feasibility of such a multibillion dollar project,
i.e. 'Build bridges instead of space battleships'.
- Politics
Seems like a feudal/monarchic type of government, but people's
power seems to have control, i.e. possibility of large demonstrations,
etc.
>
>>- The plot. The kind of plot Hollywood scriptwriters would sell their
>> souls to write. The kind of plot that doesn't pull any punches by
>> showing you characters who are, above all, human. The kind of plot
>> that manages to be sublime and mundane, epic and humanistic, cautionary
>> and optimistic (and sometimes several at once).
Hey, thats one more thing I can add to my checklist on why I would
recommend WoH.
> Anything artsy is automatically struggling for its life. Good
You've got a point there. It doesn't automatically mean that it is popular
unfortunately. The general public wants to be entertained when they go
to the theatres. They want to turn off their minds most of the time.
So first impressions wouldn't be very nice for the person that expects
hardcore entertainment (i.e. the film focuses on what we want to see,
like comedy, action, and, as today's fad is,unfortunately,NO LAME SCENES
ALLOWED=boring, realistic scenes, or hyperromantic emotional scenes)
I didn't get my largest impact until I watched it for the 2nd and 3rd time.
(Although, I like romantic people & think X-Men & Batman are stupid &
hyperfantasized 3 year-olds' entertainment :) I don't mean to offend
the fans tho. :) :)
Just goes to show how fanatic people can be with their tastes :) :)
>>- The animation. WINGS OF HONNEAMISE has some of the best flight/fight
>> sequences in anime (as discussed in another thread).
Best flight, best camera panning, wide angle shooting, etc... you name it,
you find it !
> That's the only positive thing I've heard directly, except for
Well, there's now a couple more positive things on why it was #1,
and I didn't even get the chance to vote !!
> I'll have to get a copy someday.
In fact, my efforts in getting a copy has been futile these past few
weeks. I rented a VCR to copy the Hi-Fi version and it ended up eating
the master tape !! (AARGH!!)
> Sea Wasp
> /^\
> ;;;
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> - Philosophy
> Compromise of the self against idealism. Self denial.
> Their purpose of existence. The general wondered what his purpose
> was. He found his own answer within. Shiro volunteered.
> How do you interpret this? His emotions & ideals?
This is the one of the big question of the film. Shirotsugh enters
the Space Force. Where do we go from here? He volunteers as the
pilot. Where do we go from here? He goes up for a quick spin among
the stars, while the planet is gearing for another war, perhaps the
biggest one yet. Where do we go from here?
Up. Out. To the stars.
Or back to drawing doodles in a cave wall. Our choice.
> - Politics
> Seems like a feudal/monarchic type of government, but people's
> power seems to have control, i.e. possibility of large demonstrations,
> etc.
From what I could gather, it's a republicanized monarchy, not unlike
England. The prince (who is backing the Space Program) is a figurehead,
while the show is run from behind the scenes by the military-industrial
complex.
Julian H Fong
>
>This is the one of the big question of the film. Shirotsugh enters
>the Space Force. Where do we go from here? He volunteers as the
>pilot. Where do we go from here? He goes up for a quick spin among
>the stars, while the planet is gearing for another war, perhaps the
>biggest one yet. Where do we go from here?
Not necessarily related to the specific subject of this thread, but
ever since I watched WINGS, this question has bothered me: Shirotsugh's
space capsule is ovoid in shape and studded with what I can only conclude
are sensors. It doesn't look like it has any kind of a reentry mechanism --
and we don't actually _see_ him come down....
So is Shiro going to remain in orbit until his life support gives
out? That he may have gone in to space to face certain death puts some spin
on the movie that wouldn't be there otherwise.
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> the stars, while the planet is gearing for another war, perhaps the
> biggest one yet. Where do we go from here?
>
for our Space Program was WWII. I gather from the planet's military
technique (standard bearers, heavy use of infantry, a stress on military
honor), that there was never a truly devastating war (ala WWI & II).
That one map we see (when they're talking about launch sites) would seem
to indicate that the planet is heavily balkanized (no huge powers like
the US or USSR). I figured that there was never a Cold War...
Profess'nal Agitator
>Well, the 1992 Anime Favorites Poll is finally over, and I'd like to
>thank everyone who voted for making it such a success. By "success",
>I mean the fact that there were over 50 votes, pretty good for the first
>running of such a poll, and that the results were interesting, in most
>categories. Here's a complete rundown of the results, with some brief
>commentary.
>This category was less than a success. As you'll see, people's taste in
>OAVs is *incredibly* varied... (Oh, BTW: I've heard that some people
>thought you couldn't vote for a single OAV that's part of a series. Sorry
>if I wasn't clear.)
Myself, I usually make a distinction *if* there are separate
categories for "single OAV" and "OAV series". So, add another vote to
BGC 7: Double [not Deadly] Vision to give it sole third place :-)
>Favorite Single OAV
>-------------------
>Riding Bean.............9
>KOR: Message in Rouge...4
>Tied with two : Beast City, Black Magic M-66,
>Bubble Gum Crisis: Deadly Vision, Bubble Gum Crisis: Scoop Chase,
>Dirty Pair: Flight 005 Conspiracy, Gall Force: Eternal Story, Giant Robo #1,
>GunBuster vol. 3, KOR: White Lovers, Outlanders, Sol Bianca (1),
>Vampire Hunter D
>One girl blew the rest of the field away...
>Favorite Female Character
>-------------------------
>Madoka Ayukawa (KOR).............18
>Kyoko (Maisson Ikkoku)............3
>Nene Romanova (BGC)...............3
>Vision (BGC)......................3
>Priss (BGC)......... .............2
Yes!! Vision ties one of the two disputed Knight Saber favs and beats
out the other by one vote.
>Kyoto Otanashi....................2
That's another vote for Kyoko, making a four way tie for fourth.
>The Character Designer category was a race to the finish between two very
>respected names. The brackets are for when people voted for "The guy who
>did such-and-such". Care to help me fill them in?
>Favorite Character Designer
>---------------------------
>Kenichi Sonoda.........18
>Haruhiko Mikimoto......16
>Akemi Takada............8
>Hayao Miyazaki..........5
>Rumiko Takahashi........5
>Masamune Shirow.........4
>Toshihiro Hirano........2
>Johji Manabe............2
>Yoshiyuki Sadamoto......2
>Tied with one: [Wings of Honneamise], [Patlabor, KOR, MI], [KOR],
^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^
Give Akemi Takada two more votes.
>Not much interest was displayed in the Mecha Designer category. Just
>barely enough to get a winner. I doubt this category will be around
>next year.
Possibly because people aren't as familiar with the appropriate names
(at least, that's why I didn't vote) and some people aren't interested
in mecha stories period.
Maybe, those who voted could tell us who these people are (and the
ones I deleted for space)
>Favorite Mecha Designer
>-----------------------
>Shoji Kawamori........2
>[Macross].............2
That's two more votes for Kawamori.
>Kenichi Sonoda........2
>Tied with one: [0083], Yoshiyuki Tomino
I believe these are one and the same.
> [BGC]
That's another vote for Sonoda, giving him a tie for first, I believe.
I'll give him a vote to put him over the top.
>
>Suprisingly, not much interest in the writer category, either. Most
>of those who did vote voted fairly predictably.
>
>Favorite Writer
>---------------
>Rumiko Takahashi.....14
>Hayao Miyazaki.......11
>Izumi Matsumoto.......4
>Toshimichi Sukuki.....3
>Yoshiyuki Tomino......3
>Mamoru Nagano.........2
>Masamune Shirow.......2
>Tied with one: [Wings of Honneamise],
Believe it or not Hiroyuki Yamaga of Gainax fame.
[Macross],
I believe this is Shoji Kawamori.
[KOR], Noboru Aikawa,
^^^
Another vote for Izumi Matsumoto.
>Akemi Takada, Yuzo Takada, Motoki Tanaka, "Dynamic pro, inc"
^^^^^ ^^^^^^
I know that Takada is the character designer for KOR, Patlabor, Creamy
Mami, and most of Maison Ikkoku, but does she fit in this category or
should this vote also go to Matsumoto.
>Favorite Director
>-----------------
>Hayao Miyazaki......15
>Hideki Anno..........3
>Toshihiro Hirano.....2
>Oshii Mamoru.........2
>Isao Takahata........2
>Yoshiyuki Tomino.....2
>Tied with one: [Wings of Honneamise], ["Presence"--Robot Carnival], [KOR],
^^^
Don't know about the movie or series, but for the OAV's, that's Gotoo Masako.
>Favorite Studio
>---------------
>Tied with one: [KOR], AIC, Bandai, Dynamic Pro, Headgear, Jackstudios,
^^^
Studio Toho and Studio Pierrot
>Uh, I don't think I'll be doing Favorite BGM next year. I think I'll
>probably replace it with a category for the anime with the best music.
>Man, can't more than four of you agree on the same track? :-)
>Favorite BGM Song or Track
>--------------------------
>"Konya wa Hurricane" (BGC)............4
This is surprising considering that "Konya wa Hurricane" ran away
easily in the last BGC poll.
>"Say Yes" (BGC).......................4
>"Never the End" (BGC).................3
Two Vision songs near the top!!
>"Adesso e Fortuna" (RoLW).............2
>"Do You Remember Love?" (Macross).....2
>"Orange Mystery" (KOR)................2
Didn't "Orange Mystery" aka KOR OP 2, place third in the openings
poll? Interesting since the other songs in that poll got one vote,
and "Night of Summer Side" received none.
>"Victory" (BGC).......................2
>Windaria end theme....................2
>Tied with one: "Actress in the Mirror" (KOR), "Ano Hini" (Video Girl Ai),
>"Ano Sorao Ukishimete", "Another Yesterday" (KOR), "Akuma to Tenshi no Kiss"
^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
That's "Ano sora wo dakishimete" and it received another vote below as
KOR movie closing theme, to give it two.
>(Char's Counterattack), BGC 2 opening, BGC 5 ending,
BGC 2 OP: Add another vote to "Mad Machine" below, to give it two.
BGC 5 ED: "Omoide ni Dakarete" or "Mysterious Night," I forget.
"Burning Love" (KOR),
Doesn't sound like a KOR song to me. Will the original voter please clarify?
>"Kanashii no Idol" (Megazone 23 part II), "Kimi ws Nosete", KOR 2nd season
>ending theme, KOR movie closing theme, Laputa opening theme, Laputa end theme,
KOR 2 ED: "Kanashii Heart wa Moete-iru"
>theme, New Nautilus theme, Ohmu theme (Nausicaa), Ranma 1/2 1st season
>opening theme, Record of Lodoss Wars entire soundtrack, Robot Carnival theme,
Ranma first season OP: "Jajauma ni sasenaide"
>Ryu Dolqs theme (Ryger), "Saliva No Hana" (KOR), "Stardust Memories" (BGC!),
^^^^^^
That's "Salvia" not saliva.
>"Techno-Fugue" (Dominion), Tonari no Totoro main theme, "Tonogata Gomen
>Asobase" (UY), Video Girl Ai track #4, VPM action music, ZZ Gundam 2nd end
>theme
>Well, that's it! Thanks again for your participation, and I hope to
>start this all over again next December!
And thanx to Ryan for your dedication, effort, and time put in to run
this first poll.
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In a previous article, mic...@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (A Techno-Discordian) says:
>In any case, why would people waste effort stuffing ballot boxes any way.
Beats the hell out of me, but someone tried it. However, the jerk
in question was not voting for WoH...
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In a previous article, rn...@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator) says:
>Myself, I usually make a distinction *if* there are separate
>categories for "single OAV" and "OAV series". So, add another vote to
>BGC 7: Double [not Deadly] Vision to give it sole third place :-)
And which vote shall I delete? I assume you've already voted?
>>Favorite Female Character
>>-------------------------
>>Madoka Ayukawa (KOR).............18
>>Kyoko (Maisson Ikkoku)............3
>>Nene Romanova (BGC)...............3
>>Vision (BGC)......................3
>>Priss (BGC)......... .............2
>>Kyoto Otanashi....................2
>
>That's another vote for Kyoko, making a four way tie for fourth.
Eh? You're saying that Kyoko and "Kyoto" are the same person? Wouldn't
that give her five votes and sole possesion of second? I don't get it...
>> [BGC]
>
>That's another vote for Sonoda, giving him a tie for first, I believe.
>I'll give him a vote to put him over the top.
Sonoda did the mecha as well as the characters? I didn't know that...
>>Akemi Takada
> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>I know that Takada is the character designer for KOR, Patlabor, Creamy
>Mami, and most of Maison Ikkoku, but does she fit in this category or
>should this vote also go to Matsumoto.
Well, it's too late to do anything about it now... :-P I'd have to get int
touch with the person who voted and ask him or her to change it, in order
to be fair. And I have no idea who that was.
>>"Saliva No Hana" (KOR)
>That's "Salvia" not saliva.
Uh, heh, heh, my fault. I corrected the "typo". I had heard that there
was a anime song "Like a Flower of Saliva" and I thought that might be it.
So what does "Salvia" mean?
CMH...@psuvm.psu.edu
>From what I could gather, it's a republicanized monarchy, not unlike
>England. The prince (who is backing the Space Program) is a figurehead,
>while the show is run from behind the scenes by the military-industrial
>complex.
Really? I read it as a well-disguised variant on late Meiji, or early Taisho
Japan: Popular protest, the beginnings of militarism, the control of the
government by an oligarchy (ie, the ministers that the General meets with late
into the show, gee, they look an awful lot like Genro) an imperial family
that maybe has both less control that it would appear from blank-faced
publicity, and more influence than would be supposed by the cynical. (that is,
the Imperial family interferes in affairs enough to surriptisiously facilitate
financing for the space force, but the last word in such affairs is a Privy
Council). And, of course, the government, the military, and the great
industrial companies are inextricably and corruptly intermixed.
Easy to confuse with an english model, as the Meiji/Taisho Japanese model
bears many resemblances to that of england between the Glorious Revolution(1688
and the American Revolution.
Ahh, I love to go on about my speciality. Historians don't rule the world,
but they should. :)
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in Wings looks like it could re-enter.
I think they would have mentioned it, and I think I remember, during the
narritive over the training sequences, Shiro cheerfully talking about the
reentry process.
Remember, the early Gemini and Freedom capsules didn't look like much either,
and his capsule was obviously intended as a variation of those designs.
E. Kontei
> In article <1lskog...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>
[..]
> >Tied with one: [0083], Yoshiyuki Tomino
>
> I believe these are one and the same.
Nope. Even if Tomino were a mecha designer (he's not, he's a writer),
he wasn't involved with GUNDAM 0083.
Darin Johnson
designed how the characters looked, but if Akemi Takada was
the character designer for MI, that would imply that Takahashi
did not draw the manga... I'm confused...
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> Conty-san sez something to the effect that he isn't sure that the space
> capsule in Wings looks like it could re-enter.
EEK! That wasn't me!
In fact, I sent the originator an e-mail. To quote:
"I take it you've never seen the end credits? ^_^"
Lyrical Terrorist Chuck D
>
>>>Madoka Ayukawa (KOR).............18
Madoka kicks Kyoko's ass!! Haha! If only Panda were here to see
this.
>>>"Saliva No Hana" (KOR)
>>That's "Salvia" not saliva.
>
>Uh, heh, heh, my fault. I corrected the "typo". I had heard that there
>was a anime song "Like a Flower of Saliva" and I thought that might be it.
>So what does "Salvia" mean?
I think it is the name of a flower. In the song Yukari (Wada)
sings something about the Saliva flower blossoming (blooming, sprouting)
abnd stuff. Nice song.
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E. Kontei
> Messr. Conty sez:
>
> >From what I could gather, it's a republicanized monarchy, not unlike
> >England.
>
> Japan:
[Lots of description of the system of government, which fits better the
Honneamise world than my guess.]
> Easy to confuse with an english model, as the Meiji/Taisho Japanese model
> bears many resemblances to that of england between the Glorious
> Revolution(1688 and the American Revolution.
> Ahh, I love to go on about my speciality. Historians don't rule the world,
> but they should. :)
[Conty gets a chill down the spine as he realizes he's about to get into
an argument about history against an extremely well-armed opponent.]
What you said... ^_^;
Robert Everett Brunskill
From: fon...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Julian H Fong):
Not necessarily related to the specific subject of this thread, but
ever since I watched WINGS, this question has bothered me: Shirotsugh's
space capsule is ovoid in shape and studded with what I can only conclude
are sensors. It doesn't look like it has any kind of a reentry mechanism --
and we don't actually _see_ him come down....
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Well, as long as the bulk of the outer surface is built to withstand the
heat of reentry (ie, proper materials), the sensors don't really matter
because the capsule is only being used once.
Rob
Profess'nal Agitator
>In a previous article, rn...@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator) says:
>>Myself, I usually make a distinction *if* there are separate
>>categories for "single OAV" and "OAV series". So, add another vote to
>>BGC 7: Double [not Deadly] Vision to give it sole third place :-)
>And which vote shall I delete? I assume you've already voted?
Hmm, didn't think of that, and I don't remember. I think it was (1)
Riding Bean, (2) Megazone 23 (so, I was a little flexible with my
definition of single OAV ;-) and (3) Kabuto, but I may have (2) and
(3) switched or just wrong.
>>>Favorite Female Character
>>>-------------------------
>>>Madoka Ayukawa (KOR).............18
>>>Kyoko (Maisson Ikkoku)............3
>>>Nene Romanova (BGC)...............3
>>>Vision (BGC)......................3
>>>Priss (BGC)......... .............2
>>>Kyoto Otanashi....................2
>>That's another vote for Kyoko, making a four way tie for fourth.
>Eh? You're saying that Kyoko and "Kyoto" are the same person? Wouldn't
>that give her five votes and sole possesion of second? I don't get it...
Er, I'm a math grad and I can't add (but I can rhyme :-)
I believe that gives her sole possession of fourth. (I deleted second
and third for space. I think second [Nausicaa?] had 9 and third [Lum?] had 6)
>>>Akemi Takada
^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>I know that Takada is the character designer for KOR, Patlabor, Creamy
>>Mami, and most of Maison Ikkoku, but does she fit in this category or
>>should this vote also go to Matsumoto.
>Well, it's too late to do anything about it now... :-P I'd have to get int
>touch with the person who voted and ask him or her to change it, in order
>to be fair. And I have no idea who that was.
Well, you don't necessarily have to be the one to clarify. Actually,
I was referring to the original voter as well just as I did with "Burning
Love" (KOR) in the song voting.
>>>"Saliva No Hana" (KOR)
>>That's "Salvia" not saliva.
>Uh, heh, heh, my fault. I corrected the "typo". I had heard that there
>was a anime song "Like a Flower of Saliva" and I thought that might be it.
>So what does "Salvia" mean?
Well, according to our resident songs expert, Miss Animerica, the full
translation is: Like a Salvia Flower, so "salvia" means "salvia" :-)
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Thanx again for running the poll!
Profess'nal Agitator
>In article <1lskog...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>>Favorite Studio
>>---------------
>>Tied with one: [KOR], AIC, Bandai, Dynamic Pro, Headgear, Jackstudios,
> ^^^
>Studio Toho and Studio Pierrot
I just rechecked the total vote count. This gives Studio Pierrot four
votes for third place.
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>What's a character designer? I assumed it was the person who
>designed how the characters looked, but if Akemi Takada was
>the character designer for MI, that would imply that Takahashi
>did not draw the manga... I'm confused...
Compare the manga designs (from the Nannichuan translation) and the
anime. They are different. Takada took over character design around
ep 28 or so.
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>> >talking to the wrong people on this movie.
>>
>> really positive about Wings of Mayonnaise except the artwork.
>
>[Conty brandishes his trusty keyboard, and with a resounding
> "GYAAAAA!" jumps into the fray...]
>
[numerous insightful comments by Se^nor Conty deleted]
You shall not fight alone! The Raf picks up his now worn and dented keyboard
and begins swinging.
The best thing about Wings of Honneamise is that it has what few anime
but many real films have: serious characterization, realistic motivations,
and realistic interactions of characters. The characters don't make cute
sighs and they don't flash their tits. They aren't supermen and superwomen.
They have hopes, fears, and dreams. They fail and then pick themselves up
and try again. There are no "deux ex machina" powersuits that can save
everything with the touch of a button, just people battling technology
and human error and fears as they try to accomplish their dreams.
One of the best anime ever produced in my opinion. Why? Essentially because
it doesn't use the medium to make funny faces or breasts way out of
proportion to body size. Instead it takes the same same approach as a
real film (i.e. create a story with characters and put them through a
well developed plot) and it uses the animation to enhance this story.
>
>That positive enough for you? :-)
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Conty we definitely agree here. Make that two positive arguments.
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christian gadeken
>translation is: Like a Salvia Flower, so "salvia" means "salvia" :-)
>
flower called "scarlet sage" so the title "Salvia no Hana no You ni"
translates as "Like a Bloom of Scarlet Sage."
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>>>>Favorite Female Character
>>>>-------------------------
>>>>Madoka Ayukawa (KOR).............18
>>>>Kyoko (Maisson Ikkoku)............3
>>>>Vision (BGC)......................3
>>>>Kyoto Otanashi....................2
>>>That's another vote for Kyoko, making a four way tie for fourth.
>>Eh? You're saying that Kyoko and "Kyoto" are the same person? Wouldn't
>>that give her five votes and sole possesion of second? I don't get it...
>Er, I'm a math grad and I can't add (but I can rhyme :-)
>I believe that gives her sole possession of fourth. (I deleted second
>and third for space. I think second [Nausicaa?] had 9 and third [Lum?] had 6)
I just rechecked the full vote again. It seems that third place was
Miyu with 5, so adding in these two votes gives Kyoko a two-way tie
for third. Also, Nausicaa only merited 6(?!?) votes.
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Michael Studte
In article <41...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu writes:
> Anything artsy is automatically struggling for its life. Good
> are red flags to KEEP AWAY, DANGER WIL ROBINSON! This is a four alarm
> snoozer!
Well, as they say, anime is for people who can't face real life (I
should talk!!!).
Well, if you can't take anime that portrays pretty real life, then it's
time to get out Voltron or similar (jodan, jodan).
Any serious fan (any worth talking to) will at least give a movie
described such a fair go.
But the dialogue reuires that you get a sub or script to read from.
The Prisoner
(Sorry Rob, I can't find Julian's Post)...
Actually, you DO see him after he's landed. I remember people saying "Oh,
it's really depressing at the end to see him die out there with no way of
getting back." This simply isn't the Case. If you watch the ending
credits, and paying attention to the pictures behind the credits, you
will notice that his friends are greeting him after returning back to the
planet. (Can't remember the specific info on the Planet, though...)
I even remember there being a poster which I would LOVE to have... It was
a Wings poster and there was a type of Street Parade (Sort of after the
film) and they're having a Ticker-tape (sp?) parade for him. Nicely done.
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> Well, according to our resident songs expert, Miss Animerica, the full
> translation is: Like a Salvia Flower, so "salvia" means "salvia" :-)
That's right, once again, that's "Salvia", not "saliva". :P
christian gadeken responds:
> Well according to my Japanese dictionary, SA-RU-BI-A refers to the
> flower called "scarlet sage" so the title "Salvia no Hana no You ni"
> translates as "Like a Bloom of Scarlet Sage."
"Salvia" means any plant of the Salvia genus, garden planets of the
mint family, but especially the scarlet sage grown for its brilliant
red flowers.
I think i'll change my song file to read "Salvia [scarlet sage]" to
help keep this from coming up again.
What i'd like to know is what JENIINA is, if not a name. The closest
words i could find were jenna and genipa.