KIKI'S: WHAT HAPPENED TO JIJI?
ggreg
i was confused about what happen to JIJI at the end. did the cat lose
it's powers to speak permanently? and if so, why? thanks for clearing
up this nagging question!
ggreg
rhee kie-hyock
It's the other way around; Kiki lost her power to understand animal
talk. Jiji himself is just a black cat, no magic powers or anything.
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Ken Iwasa
Hogan James Patrick <j-h...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>artist friend (name escapes me), and going back to visit the two old
>ladies, she had been cheered up enough (her heart "purified", if you
>will) that she had her powers at least partially back; after all, she was
>able to fly the deck brush to save Tonbo, though it was a bumpy ride. If
>she was able to control her magic again, shouldn't she have been able to
>understand Jiji? The ending leaves me wondering if her powers ever
>_were_ fully restored or not.
I was told that (after having asked the same question) Jiji lost his ability
to speak after losing his virginity to the long white-haired cat. It sounds
semi-reasonable. Some sort of bond between Kiki and Jiji was broken, maybe?
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>artist friend (name escapes me), and going back to visit the two old
>ladies, she had been cheered up enough (her heart "purified", if you
>will) that she had her powers at least partially back; after all, she was
>able to fly the deck brush to save Tonbo, though it was a bumpy ride. If
>she was able to control her magic again, shouldn't she have been able to
>understand Jiji? The ending leaves me wondering if her powers ever
>_were_ fully restored or not.
Perhaps someone who has read the novel would be able to clear this up
for us..
I did think Jiji Jr. was cute though ^_^;;
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Jon P Tsai
I believe talking to the cat (a familiar) is a witch's ability. So, when Kiki
started to lose her powers (like the ability to fly), she also loses her
ability to talk to tge cat.
I have another question. Why did Kiki lose her power in the first place? I
think it might have something with Kiki getting angry at Tombo and his friends,
but not sure
curious
John A. Kilpatrick
|> keni...@wam.umd.edu (Ken Iwasa) writes:
|>
|> >I was told that (after having asked the same question) Jiji lost his ability
|> >to speak after losing his virginity to the long white-haired cat. It sounds
|> >semi-reasonable. Some sort of bond between Kiki and Jiji was broken, maybe?
|>
I have always thought that since Kiki couldn't fly any more, it made more sense for her to have lost her powers than for JiJi to have done the nasty. :-) Besides...sex? In a Miyazaki film? Perish the thought!
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David Goldsmith
nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) wrote:
> In article <2p3r8d$5...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
> Hogan James Patrick <j-h...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >kr...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (rhee kie-hyock) writes:
> >
> >>>i watched KIKI'S DELIVERY... for the first time this past weekend, and
> >>>i was confused about what happen to JIJI at the end. did the cat lose
> >>>it's powers to speak permanently? and if so, why? thanks for clearing
> >>>up this nagging question!
> >>
> >> It's the other way around; Kiki lost her power to understand animal
> >> talk. Jiji himself is just a black cat, no magic powers or anything.
> >
> >This confused me too. Apparently, after the trip to the forest with her
> >artist friend (name escapes me), and going back to visit the two old
> >ladies, she had been cheered up enough (her heart "purified", if you
> >will) that she had her powers at least partially back; after all, she was
> >able to fly the deck brush to save Tonbo, though it was a bumpy ride. If
> >she was able to control her magic again, shouldn't she have been able to
> >understand Jiji? The ending leaves me wondering if her powers ever
> >_were_ fully restored or not.
>
> Perhaps someone who has read the novel would be able to clear this up
> for us..
>
I haven't read the whole thing, but in the book Kiki and Jiji never lose
the ability to communicate (Kiki doesn't lose her ability to fly either).
Both of these are dramatic devices Miyazaki introduced to compress the
story into the short time required for a movie. In the book (as Miyazaki
himself points out in the introduction to "The Art of Kiki's Delivery
Service"), Kiki learns the lessons of growing up more slowly and gently.
She and Jiji talk to each other all through the book, and all through the
sequel too.
However, at the end of chapter 1 it does say that when a witch gets
married, and her cat finds his/her own love, they go their separate ways,
though it says nothing about losing the ability to communicate. Perhaps
this was what Miyazaki tapped for that aspect of the film. By the way, when
Kiki's mother was young she had a cat named Meme.
Nowhere does it explain how a cat born on the same day (one of the
requirements) can survive until a person is old enough to get married. Must
be more magic :-).
The book looks to be quite funny, by the way, but I haven't made a serious
attempt yet to get through it. Maybe after another year or so of
Japanese...
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David Schaub
No, No, No... :) Jiji did not lose anything. It is Kiki's
magical ability that allows her to understand her familiar. The question
is, does Kiki regain her ability to talk to Jiji. I think it is horribly
nasty to not clear that up at the end of the film. I consider it a matter
of taste. I have seen people argue that you grow out of familiars, but I
don't accept that. I do think that she is capable of speaking to Jiji
since she did get back her magical power of flight. If only he just said
anything at the end of the film...
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David Schaub
In a previous article, cur...@watnxt04.ucr.edu (Jon P Tsai) says:
>I have another question. Why did Kiki lose her power in the first place? I
>think it might have something with Kiki getting angry at Tombo and his friends,
>but not sure
>
I don't think ones magical ability is effected by social
situations, I believe that the los of magic was a secondary effect of the
cold that she had. For some reason it tok her magic far longer than her
body to recover. That makes sense to me at least. :)
Glen Kawano
ggreg <GGP...@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> wrote:
>i watched KIKI'S DELIVERY... for the first time this past weekend, and
>i was confused about what happen to JIJI at the end. did the cat lose
>it's powers to speak permanently? and if so, why? thanks for clearing
>up this nagging question!
What about the simplest explanation? I don't think we ever see Jiji
speak to Kiki whenever there are other people around. At the end, Kiki's
surrounded by the crowd. I think the scene was from the point of view of
a bystander, who would only see that the cat meowed to Kiki, and not
understand what he was saying.
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Greg Vilardi
I'm doing this from memory, but I do recall seeing a series of pictures
that to me clearly indicate that Kiki regains her abilities. 1) Kiki
flying with Jiji and "Jiji Jr." on a tether. and 2) The very last scene
with Kiki and Jiji and possibly "Jiji Jr." on the roof watching the night sky.
It would seem to me that these scenes indicate that Jiji and Kiki resume
their relationship and communication after Kiki regains her self-esteem
and powers.
As always, your mileage may vary...
Greg
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Eric Saari
On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Glen Kawano wrote:
> In article <16F9E994...@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu>,
> ggreg <GGP...@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> wrote:
> >i watched KIKI'S DELIVERY... for the first time this past weekend, and
> >i was confused about what happen to JIJI at the end. did the cat lose
> >it's powers to speak permanently? and if so, why? thanks for clearing
> >up this nagging question!
>
> What about the simplest explanation? I don't think we ever see Jiji
> speak to Kiki whenever there are other people around. At the end, Kiki's
> surrounded by the crowd. I think the scene was from the point of view of
> a bystander, who would only see that the cat meowed to Kiki, and not
> understand what he was saying.
While your first observation is true, I would have to disagree with
your conclusion. At the end when Jiji jumps up on to Kiki's shoulder and
"meows," Kiki's expression changes ever so slightly from surprise, to
almost sad, to her cheerful self. At least that's what I recall. ^_^
Eric Saari RISDJAS esa...@risd.edu
Phat H Tran
>artist friend (name escapes me), and going back to visit the two old
>ladies, she had been cheered up enough (her heart "purified", if you
>will) that she had her powers at least partially back; after all, she was
>able to fly the deck brush to save Tonbo, though it was a bumpy ride. If
>she was able to control her magic again, shouldn't she have been able to
>understand Jiji? The ending leaves me wondering if her powers ever
>_were_ fully restored or not.
Jiji's voice seemed almost like an imaginary friend to Kiki (although
it wasn't all in her head--there was true understanding and
communication between her and Jiji). As she matured, she "outgrew"
that stage of her childhood, becoming more involved in the
preoccupations of living on her own. She might very well have regained
all her flying powers without ever regaining the ability to understand
Jiji.
Phat.
Kenta Suzue
in the wood cabin. Her friend related how, suddenly she could no longer paint,
then after doing other things for a while, found that she could.
She realized that her previous paintings had not been from her own internal
"magic", but vague imitations of other paintings she had seen before.
Similarly, Kiki may have been "copying" somebody else's magical "style"
(her mother's?), so her temporary loss was a step in personal growth - to using
her own original talents instead of copying someone else's style (externally
evidenced by usage of the deck brush rather than the broom).
George K. Loo
>ack!! :(
Well, Kiki could have understood Jiji at this scene.... Remember....
in the presence of other people... Jiji never says anything... Jiji only talks
when he is alone with Kiki. Plus, when Jiji meowed at Kiki at he end,
Kiki smiled... as if she knew what he were saying... So, it could be that
the POV has changed and we are viewing the scene from the viewpoint of the
audience... and not Kiki anymore...
George
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Iskandar Taib
David Goldsmith <David_G...@taligent.com> wrote:
>However, at the end of chapter 1 it does say that when a witch gets
>married, and her cat finds his/her own love, they go their separate ways,
>though it says nothing about losing the ability to communicate. Perhaps
>this was what Miyazaki tapped for that aspect of the film. By the way, when
>Kiki's mother was young she had a cat named Meme.
>Nowhere does it explain how a cat born on the same day (one of the
>requirements) can survive until a person is old enough to get married. Must
>be more magic :-).
Does the book go all the way to the time Kiki grows up and marries?
Wonder if she married Tonbo ^_^
David Goldsmith
nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) wrote:
> Does the book go all the way to the time Kiki grows up and marries?
> Wonder if she married Tonbo ^_^
No, the first book covers her first year on her own, and the second book
covers her second year. So I guess she's 15 by the end of the second book
(though she's not really drawn differently in the illustrations).
She and Tonbo are obviously friends, but I can't tell yet if there is
anything more by the end of the second book. It definitely doesn't center
on Kiki and Tonbo: both books are a series of episodes where Kiki makes
more friends and helps various people out.
If I ever get some free time (right) maybe I'll scan some of the
illustrations. The art style is pretty different between the two books
since the illustrators were different. BTW, Kiki has long hair in the
books, not short like in the movie.
The Javelin
She and the white cat had kids? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't
both cats female? I remember Jiji complaining to Kiki about the white cat,
that "she is so stuck-up!"
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Iskandar Taib
>Wait a minute... speaking of Jiji...
>
>She and the white cat had kids? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't
>both cats female? I remember Jiji complaining to Kiki about the white cat,
>that "she is so stuck-up!"
Jiji's definitely male - didn't you see the electric shock that
travelled up his tail when he saw Lily at the window? A friend told me
she was going to watch that scene over and over again..
And watch the trailers - Jiji and Lily are up on the roof with three
white kittens and one black one.
Tony Chen
: Wait a minute... speaking of Jiji...
:
: She and the white cat had kids? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't
: both cats female? I remember Jiji complaining to Kiki about the white cat,
: that "she is so stuck-up!"
Why not? Jiji is a male.
"ANIME-MANGA FOREVER!"
Tony.
Iskandar Taib
>>think it might have something with Kiki getting angry at Tombo and his friends,
>>but not sure
>
>of the movie, Kiki's mother tells her that a witch also needs to have a
>happy heart and a smile on her face (not an exact quote, but you get the
>gist). When she's out with Tonbo later, he runs off to go to the airship
>with his friends without asking Kiki first. She's hurt by this, and goes
>back home, feeling miserable and sorry for herself. It's at this point
>where she loses her magic.
>
>Later, when her friend from the forest (the painter) takes her out to her
>cabin in the woods, she gets cheered up; when she tries to fly the deck
>brush a little later, she finds that her powers are back.
I tend to think she was suffering from burnout - to her, flying wasn't
fun anymore, it was work. She wasn't able to concentrate on flying
anymore (it used to come naturally, without thinking - she tells
Ursula "I used to fly without thinking about it. Now I wonder - how
did I do it?") and simply lost the ability to do so, since it wasn't
something she did consciously. When she really, really had to fly (to
save Tonbo) she had to consciously try very hard, and managed to get
the broom flying. After that it was a matter of relearning the
technique. I don't think it was the stay with Ursula so much that
helped her, it was that need drove her.
David Goldsmith
nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) wrote:
> Jiji's definitely male - didn't you see the electric shock that
> travelled up his tail when he saw Lily at the window? A friend told me
> she was going to watch that scene over and over again..
>
> And watch the trailers - Jiji and Lily are up on the roof with three
> white kittens and one black one.
Jiji also uses male Japanese -- "boku" and so forth.
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