how strong is ranma really?
Raymond Chen
to everyone else in the anime? because sometimes it seems like he
can kick everyone's ass, but then sometimes he gets beat/punched
really easily. like in the first (or is it the second) episode of
the series put out by viz, akane can't even touch him while they
are sparring so this means he is better than akane. and akane is
always saying that kunou is so good, so this implies tahat kunou
is better than akane. and then ranma can kick kunou's butt pretty
easily, case in point with that multi-hit leg thingamajigger he
does on kunou, even while kunou is doing his ya-ta-ta-ta kendo
sword thing. but then, right after, akane takes kunou's kendo sword
and bashes ranma in the face with it.
so, i don't get it. ranma > kunou > akane. but akane beats ranma
with kunou's sword (which she's not supposed to be good at) when
kunou couldn't beat ranma, and when akane couldn't even lay a finger
on ranma earlier. i know this whole post was pretty confusing, but
can anyone else figure this out? and this is just one example.
it seems that throughout the series, sometimes ranma is kick-butt
strong, while other times he is just a dweeb. what's with the
fluctuations?
ray
Gerald Leung
It's usually just Akane who he ALLOWS to do that to
him. He is MAGNIFICENTLY strong, agile, etc....
He usually lets Akane beat the crap out of him
for seemingly weird reasons of semi-guilt, won't lay
a finger on her, etc. (sort of like the way a guy
would let his girlfriend punch him or something if
she didn't like what he was doing or saying -- only
more extreme).
G
L
Gerald "Late, again..." Leung
PsychoKick
directly proportional to how angry someone is. Note the manifestation of
"battle aura" when someone, usually Akane, gets really pissed off. This
would explain why Akane couldn't beat Ranma in a normal fight, but kicks
the crap out of him when he gets her mad. This would also be the reason
for the EXTREME beating that Ranma took from Ryoga and Kuno in the end of
OAV #1, since the two seemed REALLY mad at Ranma for "playing with
hearts".
-PsychoKick
John Dunkelburg
: okay, here's the question: exactly how strong is ranma in relation
Simple. If Ranma knows that the attack is coming and has time to
prepare himself, then he can easily dodge the attack and counter-attack at
his will. If he doesn't know the attack is coming, or he doesn't have
time to prepare (such as when Akane bashes him over the head with the
table in Ep.1, or the above-mentioned sword), then ge gets his heinie
beat in.
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> Simple. If Ranma knows that the attack is coming and has time to
>prepare himself, then he can easily dodge the attack and counter-attack at
>his will. If he doesn't know the attack is coming, or he doesn't have
>time to prepare (such as when Akane bashes him over the head with the
>table in Ep.1, or the above-mentioned sword), then ge gets his heinie
>beat in.
This is not necessarily true. In some cases, someone sneaks in and
attacks Ranma, but Ranma still catches him/her anyway. And in some other
cases, Akane gets mad (you can see her glowing... ^_^) Ranma looks at
her... get scared... and in 5 seconds later, Akane attacks... (after
saying few things)... Ranma still gets beat up. He just gets beat up
when he insults girls like that... that's like one of the joke in the
series... Ranma insults Akane, and Akane beats him up.
Song
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Ken Arromdee
Kevin Lew -- 'The Lai-Lai Boy' <kas...@eden.com> wrote:
>--Males CANNOT beat up females. (I have yet to know of a manga/anime
>story where a guy deliberately punched a girl--Ranma doesn't count, she's
>really a guy)
In the superstrength noodles story, after the noodles wore off, Ranma
arm-wrestled Akane and kept winning.
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Kevin Lew -- 'The Lai-Lai Boy'
: okay, here's the question: exactly how strong is ranma in relation
: to everyone else in the anime?
Well, Ranma is supposed to be the BEST martial artist. He is NOT
the strongest martial artist. Ryouga is much stronger than him. In the
manga, probably nobody is stronger than Lime.
: so, i don't get it. ranma > kunou > akane. but akane beats ranma
: with kunou's sword (which she's not supposed to be good at) when
: kunou couldn't beat ranma, and when akane couldn't even lay a finger
: on ranma earlier. i know this whole post was pretty confusing, but
: can anyone else figure this out? and this is just one example.
: it seems that throughout the series, sometimes ranma is kick-butt
: strong, while other times he is just a dweeb. what's with the
: fluctuations?
The story is written by a woman that obviously has a bias towards females
in most of her stories.
Ranma gets pounded whenever he does something bad to girls. You know,
like when he says some blatant insult to Akane, or when he does something
insensitive to Ukyou, etc. It all comes down to whether he "deserved
it". If males do bad things to females in Ranma 1/2, they ALWAYS get what
they deserve.
Okay, here we go with some of the Takahashi Prime Directives for Ranma 1/2:
(some rules that ought to be written down, but aren't)
--Females can beat up males. (100% hit potential when they "deserve it")
--Females can beat up other females. (rare, but happens)
--Males can beat up other males.
--Males CANNOT beat up females. (I have yet to know of a manga/anime
story where a guy deliberately punched a girl--Ranma doesn't count, she's
really a guy)
Kevin Lew -- "The Lai-Lai Boy" (Kasumi's Iinazuke)
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>--Males CANNOT beat up females. (I have yet to know of a manga/anime
>story where a guy deliberately punched a girl--Ranma doesn't count, she's
>really a guy)
Dragonball. Vegita. #18. 'Nuff said.
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Enrique Conty
>okay, here's the question: exactly how strong is ranma in relation
>to everyone else in the anime?
However strong (or weak) he needs to be for the story to be funny.
Remember, this is not Dragonball Z.
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Mark L. Neidengard
Kevin Lew -- 'The Lai-Lai Boy' <kas...@eden.com> wrote:
>Raymond Chen (ray...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>: okay, here's the question: exactly how strong is ranma in relation
>: to everyone else in the anime?
>
>Well, Ranma is supposed to be the BEST martial artist. He is NOT
>the strongest martial artist. Ryouga is much stronger than him. In the
>manga, probably nobody is stronger than Lime.
Actually, I think the distribution breaks down something like:
00)Cologne (the most awesome martial artist, and probably the most reserved)
01)Happosai (primarily 'cause he's seen so much in his life)
02)Ranma (hasn't been around as long, but he's got extreme talent and can
absorb everything, it seems)
03)Herb (who Ranma only beats w/ extreme difficulty)
and various others below...of the "main" characters we might hazard
Shampoo
Ryouga
Mousse
Ukyo
Genma
Soun
Akane
Kunou
though it's a little iffy, of course.
>
>The story is written by a woman that obviously has a bias towards females
>in most of her stories.
In a word: bunk =) Whether or not Takahashi exhibits such a bias in her
stories, I don't think that's the reason. It seems to be that Ranma isn't
trying to resist most of the time. If Ranma _REALLY_ got pissed at Akane, he
could quite probably kill her with one shot; of course he's very unlikely to
do this. I think of it like the fights between Aeka and Ryouko in TM!....if
Ryouko _really_ wanted to get rid of Aeka, she would have done so by now.
>
>Ranma gets pounded whenever he does something bad to girls. You know,
>like when he says some blatant insult to Akane, or when he does something
>insensitive to Ukyou, etc. It all comes down to whether he "deserved
>it". If males do bad things to females in Ranma 1/2, they ALWAYS get what
>they deserve.
So far, so good, but it seems like girls ALSO get what they deserve, though it
might be in emotional rather than physical form. The only person I can
really think of that "gets away" with much is Nabiki, and that seems to be her
only power, so I'll discount her for the purpose of the argument =)
>Okay, here we go with some of the Takahashi Prime Directives for Ranma 1/2:
>(some rules that ought to be written down, but aren't)
>--Females can beat up males. (100% hit potential when they "deserve it")
True, but provisionally. And not necessariy 100% accuracy either, I think.
>--Females can beat up other females. (rare, but happens)
>--Males can beat up other males.
Yup: again provisionally true.
>--Males CANNOT beat up females. (I have yet to know of a manga/anime
>story where a guy deliberately punched a girl--Ranma doesn't count, she's
>really a guy)
I certainly think that males CAN beat up females, however it's not _likely_ to
happen. If anything, an attack will be made that diminishes the female as a
threat. The "beating on" a male by a female is usually in indignation, not in
intent to kill. It seems rather obvious that females are less resilient to
such treatment (in the scope of the story if not in reality) and the males,
knowing this, do not "deal" with them in the same way. It also shows some
RESTRAINT on the part of the males that they are not pounding the ladies day in
and day out =)
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Jeff Yang
Actually, I remember starting a similar thread to this way back when I
was a complete newbie to anime, wondering what the "rank order" of
fighters in Ranma 1/2 are. It doesn't just begin and end with the
question of how good Ranma is--there are definitely some unusal things
going on with, say, Shampoo. Note that she's often portrayed as being
UNUSUALLY strong--Ryouga-level strength--like when she walks through
walls, or does other superhuman things. She's also been trained all of
her life by Cologne, who is presumably the most powerful of all of the
Ranma characters, save perhaps Happosai (and probably not even then).
So: she's extremely strong, well trained, and not above using weapons and
dirty tricks. Why can't she beat Ranma then??? After all, Ranma was
trained by a crazed, lazy, weird old man who turns into a panda, right?
And Shampoo *definitely* has a strong motivation to beat Ranma, so it's
not like she's going easy on him.
Barring other insights, I'm going to guess that the power-ranking of the
Ranma gang is as follows (factoring in strength, skill, unusual talents,
and so on). Only "canonical" characters, i.e., appearing more than once
in the manga--no one-shots, no anime-only. Rankings are in "power
levels," where 1 is a normal human being's combat ability/strength.
1. Cologne: As skilled and powerful as Happosai, but wiser, more
reliable, and generally less hampered by stupid weaknesses, like underwear.
POWER LEVEL: 500+
2. Happosai: Extremely skilled, and probably possessed of more vile, raw,
power than anyone else in the cast, but easy to defeat with simple wiles.
(flashing bras, nude breasts, etc. and applying large mallet)
POWER LEVEL: 500+
3. Pansuto Taro: With no real weakness other than being extraordinarily
vain, his combination of ruthlessness, skill, and raw power, plus his
monstrous transformed shape, make him probably the most powerful martial
artist of the "younger" generation. Every time Ranma duels with him, he
nearly finishes Ranma off; yes, Ranma slips out of trouble, but it always
seems like he's at a disadvantage. (Mint probably IS more powerful than
PT, but is only in one storyline, so isn't included here.)
POWER LEVEL: 100+
4. Ranma-kun: In his male form, Ranma has the most balanced combination
of cunning, skill, agility, and strength of all the Ranma fighters--but
that's not what lets him win all the time. He's also lucky as hell,
capable of learning or innovating new moves at the drop of a bokken, and
besides, he's the hero.
POWER LEVEL: 100+
5. Shampoo: This is going to seem blasphemous to Ryouga fans, but I think
it's clear that Shampoo is more powerful than he is. She's smarter,
trickier, and better trained. She's probably not much weaker, if at
all--and she isn't at all hampered by morality. In a fair fight, I think
she would beat Ranma-chan, even--the initial duel at the Woman Warrior
Village doesn't count. But, of course, Shampoo would never let it be
*fair*...
POWER LEVEL: 50-70
6. Ryouga: Possessed of bull (or boar) like strength and a pea brain,
Ryouga is just too impaired to be a serious and consistent threat. In a
melee, he's dangerous: inhuman strength and a fascinating array of
weapons (which he hardly seems to use these days) plus a few nice ki
techniques make him formidable. But in a longer or more complex fight,
all you have to do is step out of the way when he charges and watch him
disappear into the sunset. You could also point to his feet shouting
"Your shoe's untied!" and knock him unconscious. That would work too.
POWER LEVEL: 40-70
7. Ranma-chan: With her smaller and weaker form, Ranma-chan drops down a
few notches; as -chan, Ranma also develops a few uncharacteristic
handicaps (such as a very feminine vanity "he scratched my pearly skin!",
and so on). He DOES acquire the power of the "anti-hentai maneuver,"
which can only be used by girls against boys: after getting squeezed or
fondled or otherwise harassed, any anime female can with a single blow
send the said hentai into orbit. But it's not enough to even out the
other handicaps.
POWER LEVEL: 30-70
8. Hinako-sensei: Only one major skill, but it's a doozy: her ki
sucking/blasting techniques are capable of defeating even Happosai, not
to mention all of the other combatants. She'd be much higher, except for
the fact that it's a temporary effect, and her ordinary form is not only
weak, but somewhat retarded.
POWER LEVEL: .5-100+
9. Genma: As much as it's not made expressly clear in the manga, Genma
must be fairly formidable to have trained Ranma (and to be able to keep
up with him, duelwise). His cowardice and laziness, however, prevent him
from being a serious contender. His amorality does give him a sideways
advantage over more ethical fighters.
POWER LEVEL: 20-40
10. Kodachi: Poison gas. Devious traps. Paralysis powder. Plus a mean
hand with a ribbon. If Kodachi weren't so mentally unstable, she'd be
more than capable of taking on any of the above fighters and putting up a
fairly good fight.
POWER LEVEL: 10-30
11. Soun: Seemingly less skilled than Genma, and certainly overly
melodramatic, but still a powerful fighter, trained by Happosai and the
trainer of Akane.
POWER LEVEL: 10-20
12. Akane: It's a little hard to figure this one out, because most of the
time after volume two or so, Akane is in the role of the helpless "save
me" girl, but she's probably the most "traditionally" trained of the lot;
no match for any of the more powerful special moves, but capable in a
direct hand to hand situation with any normal martial artist. Her ability
to go into a berzerk rage is both a hindrance and an asset. Her
clumsiness and lack of common sense are strikes against her.
POWER LEVEL: 5-15
13. Mousse: Blind as a bat, dumb as a brick, and basically a loser
besides. His "hidden weapons" ability might be more powerful used by a
more competent individual; he really isn't anywhere in the same class
with the other male rivals, or even the female ones.
POWER LEVEL: 4-10
14. Ukyou: With not much by way of flexibility (her techniques are
basically "hit with spatula," "throw spatula," or some other minor
variant) and with much, much less raw power than any of the other
females, Ukyou is a nice girl but not much of a warrior.
POWER LEVEL: 2-7
15. Kuno: Kuno is easily the dumbest of all of the Ranma fighters, and is
just as likely to be used as a thrown object or weapon in any combat as
he is to be fighting in it. There hasn't yet been a scene in which Kuno
has been a real, active threat to any other fighter, male or female; his
self-hype in the beginning just didn't follow through. Although he can do
a few cute things with his wooden sword, by and large he's just an
above-average high-school athlete, with below-average intelligence.
POWER LEVEL: 1-3
Comment if you will, but no flames, please.
J.
Tomar
>Wow, I'm feeling, like, participatory today. :)
So do I... :-)
[munch...munch...munch]
BTW, I like your ratings.
>12. Akane: It's a little hard to figure this one out, because most of the
>time after volume two or so, Akane is in the role of the helpless "save
>me" girl, but she's probably the most "traditionally" trained of the lot;
>no match for any of the more powerful special moves, but capable in a
>direct hand to hand situation with any normal martial artist. Her ability
>to go into a berzerk rage is both a hindrance and an asset. Her
>clumsiness and lack of common sense are strikes against her.
>POWER LEVEL: 5-15
This is my slant on the Ranma Universe:
I think it's about time Akane got her own Ki Attack/special move.
Maybe it could be taught by her father, or *shiver* Hipposai but
right now the Art(or The Anything Goes School of Martial Arts) is
heavily "Saotomed". It's about time to put some "Tendo" into it.
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he almost beat Ranma, and I think he could be Shampoo if he hit girls. He's
almost as fast as Ranma, does a good amount of damage, although I have
to admit those glasses add quite a disadvantage....
Jeff Yang
Awesome fighter??? He almost beat Ranma-CHAN, but every time he's come
anywhere near Ranma-kun without some sort of magical assistance, he's
whipped into submission. Shampoo can squash him like a bug (don't say he
isn't trying--heck, if he were to WIN, he'd be able to marry her!); I don't
even want to think what Ryouga would do to him.
In fact, I think Mousse is probably about the lamest male fighter in the
bunch. Hikaru Gosungeki could probably beat him. :)
J.
Danyaw Chen
: okay, here's the question: exactly how strong is ranma in relation
: to everyone else in the anime? because sometimes it seems like he
: can kick everyone's ass, but then sometimes he gets beat/punched
: really easily. like in the first (or is it the second) episode of
: the series put out by viz, akane can't even touch him while they
: are sparring so this means he is better than akane. and akane is
: always saying that kunou is so good, so this implies tahat kunou
: is better than akane. and then ranma can kick kunou's butt pretty
: easily, case in point with that multi-hit leg thingamajigger he
: does on kunou, even while kunou is doing his ya-ta-ta-ta kendo
: sword thing. but then, right after, akane takes kunou's kendo sword
: and bashes ranma in the face with it.
Takahashi has employed for the longest time.
Otherwise he is probably the best martial artist in the series( Cologne
may be his only peer). Others with considerable abilities
Happosai knows piles of nasty tricks and owns an innumerable supply of
magical artifacts. Nonetheless he has that glaring weakness for lingerie.
Ryoga got very strong as the series progressed. His Jishi houkodan could
turn the planet into swiss cheese. He has beaten Ranma a few times, but
has never really won when it counts.
Others to consider are Herb, Hinako Ninomiya, and the flying cow Taro,
although Pantyhose Taro's abilities came through brute force(lots of it)
Most of the other characters aren't really in this class.
Richard Llewellyn
gw...@csupomona.edu (Glenn Wang) writes:
>
>In article <3i5h8n$1...@boris.eden.com>,
>kas...@eden.com (Kevin Lew -- 'The Lai-Lai Boy') writes:
>>--Males CANNOT beat up females. (I have yet to know of a manga/anime
>>story where a guy deliberately punched a girl--Ranma doesn't count, she's
>>really a guy)
>
>Dragonball. Vegita. #18. 'Nuff said.
and she proceeded to clobber him (at least in the manga, I haven't
seen the anime version yet but it can't be _that_ different).
>
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> 1. Cologne:
> POWER LEVEL: 500+
Okay.
> 2. Happosai:
> POWER LEVEL: 500+
Uh-huh. Currently, he seems somewhat less than that, since he's always relying
on those bombs of his. He does have amazing "ki".
> 3. Pansuto Taro:
> POWER LEVEL: 100+
Only in his beast form.
> 4. Ranma-kun:
> POWER LEVEL: 100+
> 5. Shampoo: I think
> she would beat Ranma-chan, even--the initial duel at the Woman Warrior
> Village doesn't count. But, of course, Shampoo would never let it be
> *fair*...
> POWER LEVEL: 50-70
Nah! Ranma-chan could beat her anytime! The only reason that Ranma-chan was
running away from Shampoo was that he didn't want to fight a girl (except
during the tournament, but only because it was a tournament, not an actual
battle). Ranma-chan's only shortcoming as a girl is that "her" strength is a
little bit lower than his male form, and that "she" has shorter arms and legs.
I'd place Ranma-chan at around 80-90
> 6. Ryouga: ... You could also point to his feet shouting
> "Your shoe's untied!" and knock him unconscious. That would work too.
> POWER LEVEL: 40-70
Ranma: "Look! Money on the floor!"
Soun & Genma: "Where? Where?"
Ryoga: "What do you think I am?" *slam*
Remember, Ryoga was trained, at one point, by Cologne. (Guess you could argue
the same for Ranma... sort of) Being hit a lot by hugh rocks made his body
really strong and durable. Ryoga is slightly stronger than the female Ranma,
but no match for the male Ranma. There is no way to tell if Ryoga is stronger
or weaker than Shampoo, since they never fought, and Ryoga would never fight a
girl.
> 7. Ranma-chan:
> POWER LEVEL: 30-70
See above.
> 8. Hinako-sensei:
> POWER LEVEL: .5-100+
Agreed.
> 9. Genma:
> POWER LEVEL: 20-40
Unsure. He is definately weaker than Ranma.
> 10. Kodachi:
> POWER LEVEL: 10-30
I guess so.
> 11. Soun:
> POWER LEVEL: 10-20
Never seen him fight.
> 12. Akane:
> POWER LEVEL: 5-15
Somehow I imagined for her to be stronger... but she doesn't fight anymore, so
who knows?
> 13. Mousse: ... he really isn't anywhere in the same class
> with the other male rivals, or even the female ones.
> POWER LEVEL: 4-10
I think I can agree with this somewhat... When he tried to kidnap Akane, I
really doubted if he would succeed if he actually caught Akane (instead of the
stuffed pig).
> 14. Ukyou:
> POWER LEVEL: 2-7
>
> 15. Kuno:
> POWER LEVEL: 1-3
Come on! Kuno ought to be stronger than that! Remember when he lost his
memory, and learned a new technique? Ranma had no chance of winning against
him then... of course, it turned out that Kuno wasn't learning a new fighting
technique, but a technique for slicing water-melons, but...
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Anand Chelian
Well, I might as well too... ^_^
The following is of course IMO for the smiley impaired.
Insane:
Cologne:
I think she is the most powerful character in the manga. She has
been sparring on and off for a hundred or more years, and she knows
more techinques than anyone else I know of.
Happosai:
He has a couple of neat items (no place near as many as Cologne).
He does have a couple of powerful techniques, but he is in someways
predictable. And his weakness/prediliction for girls is a major
failing, though it does keep him in shape.
Pantsu-tarou:
He is simply put physically tougher and stronger than anyone else,
and due to his wings, he can go places no one else can. However, he
is sorely lacking in technique (compared to others). He does know
how to take advantage of his form though.
You're kidding:
Ranma:
Ranma is at the top of his totem pole. He is smarter, faster, and
stronger than most of his opponents. Combined with the fact that he
never gives up, this makes him tops. It also helps that he knows
neko-ken, if he ever does get conscious control over this, he will be
in the insane category. He can also improvise like no one else.
Herb: 1-shot
He is next. He knows a fantastic array of techniques. His big
disadvantage is that most of his attacks are ki based. He has as
much ki based power as Ranma, and probably more. I think he can
ouput about as much ki as Ryouga can with his perfected
shishihookoodan without having to get as worked up.
Rakoosai: 1-shot
He is as fast as Ranma, and has really nasty special attacks. However,
he is limited in his scope of imagination and effect. He also has the
same weakness as Happosai.
Hinako-sensei:
Well, she wouldn't be so bad, and Ranma can win any given fight with
her, but she takes a lot out of a person (so to speak). No one can
actually cancel her power, just temporarily neutralize her.
Ryouga:
He knows a lot of techinques, but he is bad at improvising; he tends
to rely on his toughness and strength to grind the other person down,
this only goes so far. Another major problem is his gullibility.
Ryouga is still a powerhouse, and has technique enough to take out
most people.
Lime: 1-shot
He is simply too tough and strong to ignore. He doesn't have that
much speed or technique, but he is tougher and stronger than Ryouga.
A couple of blows from him, and he'd level just about anyone.
Merely Ridiculous:
Shampoo:
She may actually be in the next category, but I haven't seen her
fight enough to be put up there. Besides which, Ranma can beat her
trivially. She does seem to be stronger than Moouse, and she has
a lot of technique.
Kumon Ryuu (nise Ranma): 1-shot
He has a really unorthodox fighting style that he uses to his
advantage. He is a good improviser, and decently tough. He is also
strong and ruthless (sort of). He also had a handle on Ranma for a
while.
Genma:
He knows a whole lot of techniques, and if he didn't run away so
often, he'd be a much tougher opponent. Heck, still teaches Ranma
new techniques, and is good enough to spar with him.
Moouse:
He has a good style that he is good at. It also gives him good range.
He also has an unfortunate tendency to cheat that gets him creamed
when he cannot. If he had good eyesight, he'd be a better fighter.
Mint: 1-shot
He is almost as fast as Ranma. Unfortunately, he is relatively easy
to distract. And he needs more technique. He could beat Moouse
trivially, if he learned to concentrate.
Ok, this isn't so bad:
Akane:
She is a fairly solid martial artist. And she is strong.
Unfortunately she tends to rely on this strength, and that just won't
cut it.
Koochoo-sensei:
He is just strange, and he is decent. He does have a knack for really
strange attacks.
Kunou Tatewaki:
Alright, he was top of the hill before Ranma showed up. He is still
a very good martial artist. He does seem to ease up on Akane most of
the time. And he is probably about tied with his sister for overall
effectiveness.
Kunou Kodachi (kuro BARA):
In her favor, she is psychotic and cheats. She also has a lot of
range and flexibility in her attacks.
Ukyou:
She is a decent martial artist, and can probably hold her own in a
normal fight, but Akane can probably beat her.
Sanzenin Mikado: 1-shot
He skates a good fight. Anyone who can take out a hundred hockey
players in 9 seconds (albeit with Azusa) is worthy of respect.
He is probably trashable when both combatants are not on skates.
Shratori Azusa: 1-shot
She's a good skater, and in her field she is probably the best (err..
second best female fighter). Her nastiest habit is to hit her
partner on a regular basis.
Konshuu Mariko: 1-shot
She has range, and knows how to use it. She is probably not used to
being hit, and if someone did decide to actually hit her, she would
probably be destroyed.
Tendo Sooun:
His main problem is usually an inability to make contact with a non-
stationary target, and incredible cowardice.
Furinkankookoo females:
They aren't bad, they are specialized in pound-a-single-male-into-the-
ground. And they do a fairly good job.
Nerima females:
They are also specialized in pound-a-single-male-into-the-ground.
Furinkankookoo males:
They are specialized in mob female, and they get trashed on a regular
basis.
Bakeneko:
This is a lousy martial artist, but at least it has claws.
Goshunkugi Hikaru:
He's just miserable.
Noncombatants:
Toofuu-sensei:
Tendo Kasumi:
Tendo Nabiki:
Kinosuke:
Piccolette:
Madame St. Paul:
Satsuki:
tea dude (forget his name):
tea dude's mother:
Kurenai Tsubasa:
Saotome Nodoka:
Akari
Doggy swimsuit
spring finders
bed boy
bed boy's mother
I think this is in terms of who would beat who.. The strongest at top, the
noncombatants are in no particular order.
--
Anand Chelian | ana...@ugcs.caltech.edu
"History is made by the few, and wielded over the many."
Mike Sprague
-> Barring other insights, I'm going to guess that the power-ranking of
-> the Ranma gang is as follows (factoring in strength, skill, unusual
-> talents, and so on). Only "canonical" characters, i.e., appearing
-> more than once in the manga--no one-shots, no anime-only. Rankings
-> are in "power levels," where 1 is a normal human being's combat
-> ability/strength.
Hmm ... Ranma ratings! What an interesting idea!
Actually, most of these "ratings" were pretty interesting, and I
guess quite accurate in most cases, insofar as you can gauge anything
in Ranma, since absolutely anything up to and including the laws of
physics can be changed if it's funny.
I agreed (mostly at least) with most of them, with one major
exception:
-> 13. Mousse: Blind as a bat, dumb as a brick, and basically a loser
-> besides. His "hidden weapons" ability might be more powerful used by
-> a more competent individual; he really isn't anywhere in the same
-> class with the other male rivals, or even the female ones.
-> POWER LEVEL: 4-10
Hmmm ... I would disagree with this one entirely. Mousse is, if
anything, probably the most powerful of the semi-regular characters
(not counting Happosai and Cologne, of course). Granted, he doesn't
have the advantage of a devastating array of ki attacks like Ranma
and Ryoga do, but nevertheless ...
He's got to have extreme agility and strength, because of A. his
ability to carry around an arsenal of weapons large enough to arm
the entire cast on his body at the same time undetected, and B. not
only can he MOVE while carrying all these weapons, but he can also
jump, somersault, do that nifty "wall-spring" thing ...
Personally I think that Mousse COULD defeat Shampoo but won't use
his full strength against her for fear of hurting her. (Remember,
unlike, say, Ryoga, who largely uses blunt objects [like his head],
Mousse specializes in razor-sharp blades and chain weapons ...) And
Ranma himself has specifically stated that Mousse is one of his
most difficult opponents.
Mousse has also excelled in combat situations quite a lot. He has
come closer to defeating Ranma than any other major character
(Natsume/Kurumi, Herb, Pantyhose Taro etc. don't really count since
they're either relatively rare occurances or only appeared once and
then disappeared forever. Ditto the Princes Toma and Kirin.) Also,
check out the Christmas OVA; Mousse successfully fights both Kuno
and Ryoga at the same time. He probably would have won, too, if the
pond hadn't unfortunately gotten in the way. :)
I'm not even going to bother bringing his fight with the bird-man
in the second movie into this, because that speaks for itself. The
couple of weaknesses Mousse does have are offset by his strengths.
BTW, have you noticed that he's one of the few people who is still
able to fight proficiently in his cursed form? A knife-wielding
duck is a force to be reckoned with.
Gee, I guess I'm a Mousse fan. Who'da thunk it?
I'd also like to point out that onna Ranma is indeed equal to
otoko Ranma in terms of fighting ability, (she still has the same
martial arts prowess and is more than capable of beating the living
crap out of her opponents while worrying about her nails.) The only
real weakness she has is Ranma's rather sexist conviction that he
must naturally be weaker as a girl. And even this got remedied in
the third OAV. (And I just LOVE the way onna Ranma yells "Hiryu
Shouten Ha!" she puts so much more feeling into it than her male
side does. :)
Well, that's enough Ranma-related drivel for today.
Flame at will. ;)
- MS
P.S: Dude, are you the same Jeff Yang who went to Japan to try to
interview Ranma and failed miserably ..? If so, I apologize
for arguing about onna Ranma's abilities. You'd obviously
know more about the Nyannichuan curse than me ... <G,D&R>
Jeff Yang
Aheh. ^_^;;
I take my showers hot these days, is all.
Jeff Nibunnoichi :D
Jeff Yang
>You guy's who rank down Mousse by the fact that he hasn't yet defeted
>Shampoo, seem to be forgetting that Mousse would've defeted Ranma-chan
>, Ranma-chan defeted Shampoo, therefore Mousse must not have been using
>his full strenth on Shampoo, for fear of hurting her. (Would you kick
>the crap out of the girl you want top marry??)
Uh...if that's the only way she'd want to marry me, I think I would. :)
j.
Hiei
>In article <1995Feb20.111109@clstac>
>gw...@csupomona.edu (Glenn Wang) writes:
>>In article <3i5h8n$1...@boris.eden.com>,
>>kas...@eden.com (Kevin Lew -- 'The Lai-Lai Boy') writes:
>>>--Males CANNOT beat up females. (I have yet to know of a manga/anime
>>>story where a guy deliberately punched a girl--Ranma doesn't count, she's
>>>really a guy)
>>
>>Dragonball. Vegita. #18. 'Nuff said.
>True, he did attack her but the main rule that you quoted went into effect
>and she proceeded to clobber him (at least in the manga, I haven't
>seen the anime version yet but it can't be _that_ different).
But not because he deserved it for trying to beat up a girl... It was simply
because #18 was much better (at the time) than he was...
How 'bout another example from DB? In the manga (I don't know if this was in
the anime... it should be), when Trunks returned to the future, he proceeded to
destroy #18 and #17. He killed her. Did Trunks get any punishment for killing
#18? Just that he didn't have this cute girl around anymore...
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Hiei
Unfortunately, that rule from Shampoo's village only applies to people
*outside* of the village defeating them...
Nabiki: "When you are defeated by an outsider..."
"If the opponent was a girl, then you shall give her the kiss of death,
a vow, for which you will stalk her and kill her, wherever she might
go."
"If, however, the opponent was a male, you are to be married to him."
Shampoo: (Holding on to Ranma and nodding.)
So it wouldn't make any difference if Mousse defeated Shampoo or not, since the
rule of marrying a man who has defeated you only applies to an outsider...
Hiei
> You guy's who rank down Mousse by the fact that he hasn't yet defeted
> Shampoo, seem to be forgetting that Mousse would've defeted Ranma-chan
> , Ranma-chan defeted Shampoo, therefore Mousse must not have been using
> his full strenth on Shampoo, for fear of hurting her. (Would you kick
> the crap out of the girl you want top marry??)
The only reason Mousse was able to beat Ranma (as a girl) was because the
female Ranma had shorter arms and legs (the same thing was used in Dragonball
when "Jackie Chun" was fighting with Son Goku)... This implies that the female
Ranma was stronger than Mousse, and could've defeated Mousse if only he'd
remembered that he was in his female body, and had shorter legs.
Besides, Ranma went through numerous trainings after his first fight with
Mousse, while we have not seen Mousse training at all.
Kevin Lew -- 'The Lai-Lai Boy'
: You guy's who rank down Mousse by the fact that he hasn't yet defeted
: , Ranma-chan defeted Shampoo, therefore Mousse must not have been using
: the crap out of the girl you want top marry??)
That's not a good example. Ranma wasn't used to fighting as a
female, so she wasn't as good as a fighter. Believe it or not, Mousse
wouldn't stand a chance with the new Ranma. In the manga, he's powered
up so much now that it's starting to look like that Drag-on manga. ^_^
************************************************************************
Kevin Lew -- "The Lai-Lai Boy" (Kasumi's Iinazuke)
Troublemaker on the Internet, and the Original Ranma Fool
Hiei
amp...@aix2.uottawa.ca (Andrew Petalik) writes:
>:So it wouldn't make any difference if Mousse defeated Shampoo or not, since the
>:rule of marrying a man who has defeated you only applies to an outsider...
>That's not true. If a girl warrior is defeated by someone who is not an
>outsider... they don't get the kiss of death. They just get nothing. :P
Hello? Is there a communications problem here? Isn't that what I tried to
say?
Andrew Petalik
: *outside* of the village defeating them...
: Nabiki: "When you are defeated by an outsider..."
: "If the opponent was a girl, then you shall give her the kiss of death,
: a vow, for which you will stalk her and kill her, wherever she might
: go."
: "If, however, the opponent was a male, you are to be married to him."
: Shampoo: (Holding on to Ranma and nodding.)
: So it wouldn't make any difference if Mousse defeated Shampoo or not, since the
: rule of marrying a man who has defeated you only applies to an outsider...
That's not true. If a girl warrior is defeated by someone who is not an
outsider... they don't get the kiss of death. They just get nothing. :P
If they do defeat the girl warrior... they are aloud to marry her.
The term MUST only involves outsiders.
I could be wrong... but it was fun to say. :)
--
Andrew Petalik
Help Desk Analyst
Computing Help Center
Christopher Sean Jackson
: j.
This also comes under the heading of 'Knowing your opponent'/
Psycological warfare. When sparring, I'm actually a force to be recond
with in my division (Ain't braggin' if it's true...). However, there are
a few opponents that I just can't seem to beat. This is mainly due to
the fact that we've been training together for so long, that they know
how to read me. The same would apply doubly for Mousse, since his whole
style depends upon the supreise of a hidden weapon. Shampoo and Mousse
grew up together. She can read him like a book. Add that to the problems
he's got hitting someone he wishes to marry (Don't laugh. I have a hard
time giving some of the ladies in my class a fair fight, since I don't
want to over-power them.), and you've got the recipie for a long string
of losses.
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