Pregnant Ranma: LAST WORD
davi...@imap1.asu.edu
Trish Ledoux & Co were asking Rumiko Takahashi the otaku type questions
at dinner. On the subject of "what would happen if Ranma got pregnant"
Ms. Takahashi said...
"I don't care to think about that, and you shouldn't either."
AMEN!
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: Saw this in Animerica and I just HAD to post it.
: Trish Ledoux & Co were asking Rumiko Takahashi the otaku type questions
: at dinner. On the subject of "what would happen if Ranma got pregnant"
: Ms. Takahashi said...
: "I don't care to think about that, and you shouldn't either."
: AMEN!
Well, to tell ya the truth, I don't think ranma would let anyone get him
pregnant in the first place. To tell ya the truth. With Ranam's ever changing
body, I don't think he can get pregnant in his female form. If he was, what
would happen when he changed back into a guy? It would either destory the child
or put his female half of his body into some type of suspended animation? For
all I know, Ranma may have the functions to get pregnant, but maybe he can't.
Oh well, enough dwelling on that, I too had this question a few days ago.
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Eric Tang Williamson <Nytefyre> <Nytefyre> wrote:
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>This is one way Ranma could <ahem> get preggers. Now assuming all this..
>what happens if Akane gets preggers instead? Same thing about the
>changing, ne?
Goddess, what the hell am I doing here.
Okay, there has been some theoretical work, and maybe some
experimental work on animals, on male pregnancy.
Genrally the idea is to implant the fetus on an organ, the liver I
think, and then let things develop more or less normally (if normal is a
word we can actually use in this situation). The placenta will supposedly
latch onto that organ and will function as per normal.
I believe this comes from actual case studies where pregnancy is
slightly screwed up and the development follows as outlined above. I also
seem to remember that there was an extremely high case of fatality for
the woman and maybe also for the child. The Doctor who was arguing this
thought said it was becasue of attempts to remove the placenta from the
organ leading to massive internal hemoraging and such.
So it might not be so crazy to assume that a gender switching
individual who has gotten pregnant could still carry the child no matter
what gender they are currently in. I would suggent switching to female
form when time comes to deilver though. C sections are just one more
problem you don't need.
We might also assume that the department of curses, located next
door to the GRO by the way, would intercede to protect the innocent life
and lock the cursed individual into female form until such a time that
the child has been delivered and is no longer in any danger.
It could happen.
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Eric Tang Williamson <Nytefyre>
Chac <jc...@slate.mines.colorado.edu> wrote:
>davi...@imap1.asu.edu wrote:
>: Saw this in Animerica and I just HAD to post it.
>
>: Trish Ledoux & Co were asking Rumiko Takahashi the otaku type questions
>: at dinner. On the subject of "what would happen if Ranma got pregnant"
>: Ms. Takahashi said...
>
>: "I don't care to think about that, and you shouldn't either."
>
>: AMEN!
>
>Well, to tell ya the truth, I don't think ranma would let anyone get him
>pregnant in the first place. To tell ya the truth. With Ranam's ever changing
>body, I don't think he can get pregnant in his female form. If he was, what
>would happen when he changed back into a guy? It would either destory the child
>or put his female half of his body into some type of suspended animation? For
>all I know, Ranma may have the functions to get pregnant, but maybe he can't.
>Oh well, enough dwelling on that, I too had this question a few days ago.
Okay... I'm pretty idle right now (lunch break), so here's a hypothetical
situation for you...
First, Akane has gone to Jusenkyo to train and falls in the spring of
drowning *boy*. Now, she and Ranma finally admit their love and get
married.... Next they, of course consummate their marriage, happening
(through some god awful way ;) to get wet (stop! thinking like that! I
meant water...;) and change... What happens, ne?
This is one way Ranma could <ahem> get preggers. Now assuming all this..
what happens if Akane gets preggers instead? Same thing about the
changing, ne?
Just to toss more twists (twisted, maybe) into this topic.. *evil grin*
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Ayukawa Madoka's priest
Ok, let's suppose something else:
a woman fall in nannichuan (sp ?). She gets pregnant. What does happen when
she gets wet ?
What does happen to a pregnant woman falling in nannichuan ?
I think this is much more realistic than Ranma getting pregnant. He would
NEVER let this happend.
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Eric Tang Williamson <Nytefyre> <Nytefyre> wrote:
[the Endless Question, once again]
>Okay... I'm pretty idle right now (lunch break), so here's a hypothetical
>situation for you...
>First, Akane has gone to Jusenkyo to train and falls in the spring of
>drowning *boy*. Now, she and Ranma finally admit their love and get
>married....
I seem to recall reading a fanfic, once upon a time, that took a premise
suspiciously similar to what you describe. ^_^ Pretty neat story, actually.
It managed to wrap up both Ranma 1/2 *AND* Urusei Yatsura rather handily in
one fell swoop, with the whole thing culminating in a double wedding --
femme-Ranma and mascu-Akane, and Ranma's pervy cousin from Tomobiki and his
alien girlfriend getting married on the same day.
Thoroughly cool, I almost coughed up a lung from laughing so hard. It's
really too bad Rumiko Takahashi seems to have this thing against /endings/ ...
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gets preggers ...
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> Thoroughly cool, I almost coughed up a lung from laughing so hard. It's
> really too bad Rumiko Takahashi seems to have this thing against
/endings/ ...
Well, Maison Ikkoku has an ending, just not UY...
John
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Raa Amon Zepol <xae...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Well ... there IS only one way to find out what'll happen if Ranma-chan
>gets preggers ...
>
>"Oh Ranma-chan ... come hither! I have a SURPRISE for yew ..."
>
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Ayukawa Madoka's priest <bou...@huez.cica.fr> wrote:
><lots of interesting stuffs deleted>
>Ok, let's suppose something else:
>a woman fall in nannichuan (sp ?). She gets pregnant. What does happen when
>she gets wet ?
>What does happen to a pregnant woman falling in nannichuan ?
>
>I think this is much more realistic than Ranma getting pregnant. He would
>NEVER let this happend.
Want something weird?
How about a "Spring of the drowned pregnant woman?"
Would anyone falling in come out pregnant? ^o^
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Eric Tang Williamson <Nytefyre>
Iskandar Taib <nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>Want something weird?
>
>How about a "Spring of the drowned pregnant woman?"
>
>Would anyone falling in come out pregnant? ^o^
Ewwww! Who'd the father be? Would you ever have the kid, or just be
eternally pregnant whenever you got wet? What would you do when you
really got pregnant?
Ugh! More dilemmas that a genma-panda can shake a sign at! :)
Iskander... what do they feed you in indiana to allow you to come up
with this stuff? (can you send me some? ;)
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ewi...@umbc.edu (Eric Tang Williamson <Nytefyre>) writes:
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>In article <CxBr7...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>Iskandar Taib <nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>>Want something weird?
>>
>>How about a "Spring of the drowned pregnant woman?"
>>
>>Would anyone falling in come out pregnant? ^o^
>
>
>Ewwww! Who'd the father be? Would you ever have the kid, or just be
>eternally pregnant whenever you got wet? What would you do when you
>really got pregnant?
>
>Ugh! More dilemmas that a genma-panda can shake a sign at! :)
>
>Iskander... what do they feed you in indiana to allow you to come up
>with this stuff? (can you send me some? ;)
P-Chan
> >: Trish Ledoux & Co were asking Rumiko Takahashi the otaku type questions
> >: at dinner. On the subject of "what would happen if Ranma got pregnant"
> >: Ms. Takahashi said...
> >
> >: "I don't care to think about that, and you shouldn't either."
> >
> >: AMEN!
> >
> >Well, to tell ya the truth, I don't think ranma would let anyone get him
> >pregnant in the first place. To tell ya the truth. With Ranam's ever changin
> >would happen when he changed back into a guy? It would either destory the ch
As for R.T., you know that had to mess her up for teh rest of the night. I
bet you could here "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" and the spound of crumpling paper all
night.
Out of curiosity, who started these "what if" questions?
P-Chan
P-Chan
> suspiciously similar to what you describe. ^_^ Pretty neat story, actually.
> It managed to wrap up both Ranma 1/2 *AND* Urusei Yatsura rather handily in
> one fell swoop, with the whole thing culminating in a double wedding --
> femme-Ranma and mascu-Akane, and Ranma's pervy cousin from Tomobiki and his
> alien girlfriend getting married on the same day.
> really too bad Rumiko Takahashi seems to have this thing against /endings/ ..
I seem to remeber the same thing. Did he ever continue it?
P-Chan
Dov Sherman
What if P-Chan made love to a sow? Would the offspring be piglets or would
P-Chan's sperm carry half-human DNA and produce human-pig hybrids?
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: What if P-Chan made love to a sow? Would the offspring be piglets or would
: P-Chan's sperm carry half-human DNA and produce human-pig hybrids?
Don't know. Go ask your mom where you came from.
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Christopher Shamis <stu...@alpha.wright.edu> wrote:
:The following article was scribed by Dov Sherman (AB3...@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU):
::What if P-Chan made love to a sow? Would the offspring be piglets or would
::P-Chan's sperm carry half-human DNA and produce human-pig hybrids?
:Don't know. Go ask your mom where you came from.
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: I seem to recall reading a fanfic, once upon a time, that took a premise
: suspiciously similar to what you describe. ^_^ Pretty neat story, actually.
: It managed to wrap up both Ranma 1/2 *AND* Urusei Yatsura rather handily in
: one fell swoop, with the whole thing culminating in a double wedding --
: femme-Ranma and mascu-Akane, and Ranma's pervy cousin from Tomobiki and his
: alien girlfriend getting married on the same day.
: Thoroughly cool, I almost coughed up a lung from laughing so hard. It's
: really too bad Rumiko Takahashi seems to have this thing against /endings/ ...
Dear Enlightened One,
Where, OH WHERE!, may one find this precious fanfic mentioned
above? Pleeeeeeze tell us.
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[Ranma/UY final episode fanfic]
>Dear Enlightened One,
^_^
> Where, OH WHERE!, may one find this precious fanfic mentioned
>above? Pleeeeeeze tell us.
I originally found it on Anime Archive, but apparently I still had a copy
here on my HD ... noone was more suprised than I :) (Clean out the drive?
What's that?)
I'll send it to r.a.a.s. It should show up in a couple of days.
Keijo Virta
>Gautama Buddha (suk...@netcom.com) wrote:
>: I seem to recall reading a fanfic, once upon a time, that took a premise
>: suspiciously similar to what you describe. ^_^ Pretty neat story, actually.
>: It managed to wrap up both Ranma 1/2 *AND* Urusei Yatsura rather handily in
>: one fell swoop, with the whole thing culminating in a double wedding --
>: femme-Ranma and mascu-Akane, and Ranma's pervy cousin from Tomobiki and his
>: alien girlfriend getting married on the same day.
>: Thoroughly cool, I almost coughed up a lung from laughing so hard. It's
>: really too bad Rumiko Takahashi seems to have this thing against /endings/ ...
>Dear Enlightened One,
> Where, OH WHERE!, may one find this precious fanfic mentioned
>above? Pleeeeeeze tell us.
YES!
I would like to have it also,since i goofed the ftping. :(
So,if there is kind sold,who want to post it to me,i would be
eternally thankful. :)
Ataru
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Dov Sherman
>Gautama Buddha (suk...@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Thoroughly cool, I almost coughed up a lung from laughing so hard. It's
>: really too bad Rumiko Takahashi seems to have this thing against /endings/ .|
Actually, from the December 1993 Animerica....
Shirai (Takahashi's editor): However it ends, I don't think the
conclusion should be stretched out too long. A really satisfying
ending is so difficult to create for a long series. In most
series, there's usually a climax around the twentieth volume,
with another story arc concluding around the thirty-sixth or
thirty-eighth volume. Takahashi's not the type of artist
who'd stretch it out for the sake of filler, though; she's always
up for new challenges. I think it's possible that she may
already be preparing a final chapter to "Ranma".
To quote Shampoo, "Ai-ya!!!"
Of course, American readers will be happy(?) to know that, even if the
wondrous Rumiko Takahashi were to stop publishing today, it would still
be another 11 years before Viz runs out of material at their present rate
of publication.
I wonder how it *will* end, though. Ranma finally getting cured would be
something of a disappointment. Maybe if it were done in a suitably
dramatic and humorous way. I can imagine Ranma and Akane finally admitting
their love openly and getting married in the end. And it might also be
nice to see the "obvious pairs" finally matching up (Shampoo & Mousse, Kuno
& Nabiki, etc.). It's hard to imagine but I guess I'd rather see a
satisfying ending than have it just trail off and disappear.
By the way, what volume is "Ranma" up to in Japan?
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(Dov Sherman) wrote:
>
> >Gautama Buddha (suk...@netcom.com) wrote:
> >: Thoroughly cool, I almost coughed up a lung from laughing so hard. It's
> >: really too bad Rumiko Takahashi seems to have this thing against /endings/
This is one of those comments that really hecks me off. Pardon me while I
rant and rave. You may ignore the following paragraph.
I never know why Takahashi gets so much flame because her stories have "no
endings". Have you watched cartoons in America? Where the Hell are their
endings?! I wonder why people don't scream, "Gee, why doesn't Animaniacs
have an ending?" How much character development do you get out of those
shows? I know people that complain about Ranma 1/2's "weak plot" and then
watch Beavis and Butthead. Sorry about that, I'm back to normal now.
> I wonder how it *will* end, though. Ranma finally getting cured would be
> something of a disappointment. Maybe if it were done in a suitably
> dramatic and humorous way. I can imagine Ranma and Akane finally admitting
> their love openly and getting married in the end. And it might also be
> nice to see the "obvious pairs" finally matching up (Shampoo & Mousse, Kuno
> & Nabiki, etc.). It's hard to imagine but I guess I'd rather see a
> satisfying ending than have it just trail off and disappear.
Takahashi already a few comments about how she was going to end the story a
while back. She pretty much said the story will have a REAL end. (Whether
that's true or not is still up to her.) As for when the series ends, I
wouldn't worry about it. Volume 31 is coming out next month in Japan.
Takahashi said that she wanted to break her manga record of U.Y. of 34
volumes. This means that it won't end until mid-1995 at the earliest.
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: I wonder how it *will* end, though. Ranma finally getting cured would be
: something of a disappointment. Maybe if it were done in a suitably
: dramatic and humorous way. I can imagine Ranma and Akane finally admitting
: their love openly and getting married in the end. And it might also be
: nice to see the "obvious pairs" finally matching up (Shampoo & Mousse, Kuno
: & Nabiki, etc.). It's hard to imagine but I guess I'd rather see a
: satisfying ending than have it just trail off and disappear.
Well, once I had this weird idea of Ranma and Akane finally finding the
pool of the Drowned Girl, then one or maybe all of their enemies show up.
In the fracas, Akane falls into the pool and gets the reverse condition
of Ranma's. The pool for some reason would be destroyed and Ranma and
Akane would have to learn to accept their condition, considering it isn't
really debilitating. THEN they would finally be able to reach a mutual
understanding.
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Kevin Lew -- "The Lai-Lai Boy" <ra1...@email.sps.mot.com> wrote:
>> >Gautama Buddha (suk...@netcom.com) wrote:
>> >: against /endings/ ...
>This is one of those comments that really hecks me off. Pardon me while I
>rant and rave. You may ignore the following paragraph.
(I could have, but I wanted to explore this :)
>I never know why Takahashi gets so much flame because her stories have "no
>endings". Have you watched cartoons in America? Where the Hell are their
>endings?!
Yeah, I have, and that's a good question. The lack of a definitive ending
has always been one of the most irritating aspects about american cartoons
to me. (That and the dialogue, but that's a different story.)
So in a genre like anime, where when the story's over the show usually
ENDS, finis, no more, I find it a very refreshing thing. Comparing it to a
book, it's like calling the more reasonably-sized series (Tekkaman Blade,
Dirty Pair, Da Garn) a short story or novel, whereas something on the order
of UY or Dragonball or Sazae-san is getting well into the realm of War and
Peace ^_^
On the other hand, series length can also be a measure of success and quality.
Ranma would never have been given a second glance if the first 18 episodes
weren't real ass-kickers.
>I wonder why people don't scream, "Gee, why doesn't Animaniacs have an
>ending?" How much character development do you get out of those shows?
Why develop characters that only kiddies are going to care about? That
seems to be what the producers are thinking ...
>I know people that complain about Ranma 1/2's "weak plot" and then watch
>Beavis and Butthead.
A) You're probably watching B&B for the wrong reason ^_- and
B) Ranma does NOT have a weak plot. If it did, it wouldn't have stretched
on for this long.
>Sorry about that, I'm back to normal now.
Is there such a thing?
Dov Sherman
> I never know why Takahashi gets so much flame because her stories have "no
> endings".
It makes no sense to me. Her stories seem to have pretty clear endings to me.
Maybe it's in the way you look at it. Many of the plotlines tie up very
neatly but they also overlap with other plotlines. For example, the
introduction of Ryoga is just getting started when Akane's love for Dr.Tofu
is tying up but there's about a 2 or 3 episode overlap of the plotlines.
To me, this is a mark of good writing because it really gives the series
more depth by letting the various plotlines interweave. Unfortunately, this
interweaving disappears in the second series although it continues strongly
in the manga. If people are referring to the lack of resolution in stuff like
Kuno liking the "pig-tailed girl" and Akane and being unable to choose between
them, think of it as just a really, really, REALLY looooong plotline which
*WILL* get resolved by the end of the manga series.
> Have you watched cartoons in America? Where the Hell are their
> endings?! I wonder why people don't scream, "Gee, why doesn't Animaniacs
> have an ending?" How much character development do you get out of those
> shows?
Animaniacs is possibly the best American cartoon series currently running or,
at least one of the best. But it's a very different TYPE of series.
It's not meant to have depth of character and having it would work
*against* it. It's a silly show, more "skit" oriented while Ranma 1/2
is more like a sitcom. I'd easily say Ranma 1/2 is on par with sitcoms
like M.A.S.H. in terms of character development. I've rarely seen
an animated series or comic book with the degree of character development
and complexity of Ranma 1/2. In fact, the only comic that comes close is
Scott McCloud's "Zot!"
> I know people that complain about Ranma 1/2's "weak plot" and then
> watch Beavis and Butthead. Sorry about that, I'm back to normal now.
(A) I certainly don't see Ranma 1/2 as having a weak plot at all.
(B) How ANYONE with half a brain can watch Beavis and Butthead and like it
is beyond me.
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|> I never know why Takahashi gets so much flame because her stories have "no
|> endings". Have you watched cartoons in America? Where the Hell are their
|> endings?! I wonder why people don't scream, "Gee, why doesn't Animaniacs
|> have an ending?" How much character development do you get out of those
|> shows?
That's the point...since there is so much character development, you feel like it
should have an ending. In most American animation, there aren't any real tension-
producing plot elements...what is the plot of Animaniacs, anyway? ^_^
However, when there really is a plot, it naturally needs an ending. Just by the
nature of the story there HAS to be an ending, one way or another. In other words,
this can't go on forever...
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Joe Sewell
(Kevin Lew -- "The Lai-Lai Boy") wrote:
> I never know why Takahashi gets so much flame because her stories have "no
> endings". Have you watched cartoons in America? Where the Hell are their
> endings?! I wonder why people don't scream, "Gee, why doesn't Animaniacs
> have an ending?" How much character development do you get out of those
> shows? I know people that complain about Ranma 1/2's "weak plot" and then
> watch Beavis and Butthead.
Extremely good point. Perhaps it's like a friend of mine who was
complaining about a Macintosh program not using the user interface
consistently with other programs. I said, "and PC programs do?" His
response: "no, but they're not supposed to."
In other words, perhaps nobody complains about American programs (cartoons
OR syndicated live-action shows) having no solid endings because we don't
expect story or character development from them, only mindless drivel.
Anime isn't mindless drivel; it requires thought (which isn't popular in
American couch potato culture) and meeting higher expectations.
Joe
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> |> This is one of those comments that really hecks me off. Pardon me while I
> |> rant and rave. You may ignore the following paragraph.
> |>
> |> I never know why Takahashi gets so much flame because her stories have "no
> |> endings". Have you watched cartoons in America? Where the Hell are their
> |> endings?! I wonder why people don't scream, "Gee, why doesn't Animaniacs
> |> have an ending?" How much character development do you get out of those
> |> shows?
>
> That's the point...since there is so much character development, you feel like it
> should have an ending. In most American animation, there aren't any real tension-
> producing plot elements...what is the plot of Animaniacs, anyway? ^_^
>
> However, when there really is a plot, it naturally needs an ending. Just by the
> nature of the story there HAS to be an ending, one way or another. In other words,
> this can't go on forever...
>
> John "Obscure Reference" D. Evans --JOR--
Well, Takahashi may not have ended UY with an ending everyone thought was
satisfactory, but she did it the way she wanted to. I think its easy enough to
figure about what may have happened. I know someone who's been writing up the
ending for the last four years (fan projects should be given deadlines). She
is going to end Ranma with a definite ending and that much has been said
before. She will have Ranma marry Akane, but who knows about the rest?
The Darkworld Master
I carry a Happy Fun Ball in one hand and in the other,
a Grisly Sphere of Painful Death.
Robert Y Chang
perversive with your expectations.
However, don't turn this into another LUM "Frantically I love you" bullshit.
I am feeling a little weird after watching all that Urusei Yatsura episodes and
I don't want Ranma 1/2 getting onto my list of stress cause.
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>> Dov Sherman (AB3...@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU) wrote:
>>
>> : I wonder how it *will* end, though. Ranma finally getting cured would be
>> : something of a disappointment. Maybe if it were done in a suitably
>> : dramatic and humorous way. I can imagine Ranma and Akane finally
>admitting
>> : their love openly and getting married in the end. And it might also be
>> : nice to see the "obvious pairs" finally matching up (Shampoo & Mousse,
>Kuno
>> : & Nabiki, etc.). It's hard to imagine but I guess I'd rather see a
>> : satisfying ending than have it just trail off and disappear.
Well, it's pretty complicated with all of the combinations one can imagine
(it's impossible for me to draw a diagram anymore). I think that a majority
of the people on r.a.a. would want Ranma and Akane to marry (or at least
attempt at love), but some questions are left unanswered.
What will become of Ryoga? He's a pretty good character to dispose of.
Can Mousse ever win Shampoo's love non-traditionally?
How will Kuno and Nabiki get along?
What about others (Ukyou, Kodachi, Doc Tofu & Kasumi)?
About the Akane-transformation-into-boy: I don't expect it to happen. After
all, she hates boys in general, and becoming one might be a bit too hard for
her. She does make attempts to be feminine, but she really hasn't met a boy
who hasn't treated her like an object. I think it would be much better for
cures to be found for all of the transformed.
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MissKate
(Geoffrey Robert Tebbetts) writes:
>What will become of Ryoga? He's a pretty good character to >dispose of.
>Can Mousse ever win Shampoo's love non-traditionally?
>How will Kuno and Nabiki get along?
>What about others (Ukyou, Kodachi, Doc Tofu & Kasumi)?
I know this is going to sound strange but after watching the Christmas OVA
I kind of thought Kasumi and Ryoga would be good together. Ryoga kind of
needs a mother and Kasumi needs to care for people....
Then again what do I know..
-=Kate=-
Ryouga Kun
(Geoffrey Robert Tebbetts) writes:
>> Well, it's pretty complicated with all of the combinations one can
imagine
>> (it's impossible for me to draw a diagram anymore). I think that a
majority
>> of the people on r.a.a. would want Ranma and Akane to marry (or at
least
>> attempt at love), but some questions are left unanswered.
>>
>> What will become of Ryoga? He's a pretty good character to dispose of.
>> Can Mousse ever win Shampoo's love non-traditionally?
>> How will Kuno and Nabiki get along?
>> What about others (Ukyou, Kodachi, Doc Tofu & Kasumi)?
>>
>> About the Akane-transformation-into-boy: I don't expect it to happen.
After
>> all, she hates boys in general, and becoming one might be a bit too
hard for
>> her. She does make attempts to be feminine, but she really hasn't met
a boy
>> who hasn't treated her like an object. I think it would be much better
for
>> cures to be found for all of the transformed.
If I was to dictate how Ranma 1/2 would end I'd guess it would go
something like this:
Akane & Ranma
Nabiki & Kunou
Shampoo & Ryouga
Kasumi & Tofu
Genma & Nadoka (Still)
Happousai & O-Babba
Ukkyou & Mousse
Soun & Tofu's Mother
Kodachi & One of her unlucky male schoolmates
Akane & Ranma: Well everyone knows it, So don't deny it.
Nabiki & Kunou: Nabiki and Kunou will get together quite well, He has the
money and she's there to spend it, End of story.
Shampoo & Ryouga: They seemed to get allong well with eachother, And they
seem like they'd work out well together, If she doesn't try to cook him
first.
Kasumi & Tofu: Tofu's in love with Kasumi, Kasumi is secretly in love with
Tofu... Why not?
Genma & Nadoka: Genma just keeps coming back for pain and torture from his
wife Nadoka... I think he likes it or something...
Happousai & O-Babba: Cologne just can't get enough of her beloved "Happy"!
Ukkyou & Mousse: Ukkyou makes the Omanyaki's and Mousse eats 'em. They
need eachother!
Soun & Tofu's Mother: Twards the end of the season you see them together
many times, Who knows what their doing when the cammera turns off?
Kodachi & Who knows who: I have no idea whatsoever who she could marry, If
She marries, Or if she turns lesbian or goes for that family thing with
Kunou and Nabiki. And sometimes Aloha...
Well who knows, Thats what I think and why, What do you guys think?
Ryouga Hibiki
Song Ouk Bang
>Didn't I hear something about a story where Takahashi *did* split them into
>but w/out Ranma-kun side, Ranma-chan became a real bad girl? Was I just
>imagining it.
I remember this episode. This was the episode where Happousai uses some
technique and splits Ranma-kun and Ranma-chan. This episode wasn't that
funny actually... that Ranma-chan was EVIL! She lowered her hair and
all... looked more mature though... but anyway, I think Takahashi will
finish Ranma like this... since it seems as Ranma won't show his face in
front of Nodoka without becoming a 100% man, he'll lost the curse. I'm
sorry to all the Ranma-chan fans, but she has to go. Akane will be right
next to him when he loses it, and she'll say something like, "Oh Ranma,
I'm so happy for you." Ranma'll say, "Akane, thanks for all the help" or
something nice for a change... and then they'll get married... I hope.
^_^ I waited very long for them to get together... they BETTER get
together. I hope Nabiki will end up with Kunou... I don't know why... I
know she'll use him a lot... but still... I like this couple. I mean,
they are both 17 years old (still???). I hope Ukyou will end up with
Ryouga... they look good together... from the "onsen race" to "cave"
episode... and also I hope Shampoo will just go back to China and marry
some guy there or even maybe live by herself... Mousse is not a kind of
person who can handle Shampoo anyway... oh wait. I forgot about that
Akari girl in book #30... hmmm... Ryouga would be happy with her. Then
again, if Ranma loses his curse, then everybody else has to lose their
curses. Without becoming P-chan, I don't see a point of Ryouga getting
together with Akari. Well, that's what I'm hoping. I hope they'll
finish Ranma 1/2 soon...
Song
P.S. I hope they'll keep Genma's curse though. ^_^
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John D Evans
|>
|> If I was to dictate how Ranma 1/2 would end I'd guess it would go
|> something like this:
|>
True. :)
|> Nabiki & Kunou: Nabiki and Kunou will get together quite well, He has the
|> money and she's there to spend it, End of story.
I think there were some stories that seemed to indicate this as well.
|> Shampoo & Ryouga: They seemed to get allong well with eachother, And they
|> seem like they'd work out well together, If she doesn't try to cook him
|> first.
Hm? Funny, I've never heard this...I dunno, it might work. Though I have a
feeling that Mousse will somehow get Shampoo. Of course, I may be wrong. ^_^
And there's Akari (I believe that's her name) to think of as well...^_^
|> Kasumi & Tofu: Tofu's in love with Kasumi, Kasumi is secretly in love with
|> Tofu... Why not?
Yep.
|> Genma & Nadoka: Genma just keeps coming back for pain and torture from his
|> wife Nadoka... I think he likes it or something...
Sound good to me. :)
|> Happousai & O-Babba: Cologne just can't get enough of her beloved "Happy"!
Um...I'm not sure...^_^
|> Ukkyou & Mousse: Ukkyou makes the Omanyaki's and Mousse eats 'em. They
|> need eachother!
This is another I hadn't thought of...but you're right, it seems like it might
work...of course, see theory under Shampoo and Ryouga, above. :)
|> Soun & Tofu's Mother: Twards the end of the season you see them together
|> many times, Who knows what their doing when the cammera turns off?
To tell you the truth, I hadn't thought about this either...^_^
|> Kodachi & Who knows who: I have no idea whatsoever who she could marry, If
|> She marries, Or if she turns lesbian or goes for that family thing with
|> Kunou and Nabiki. And sometimes Aloha...
Grrr...I DON'T think so. Sheesh...
|> Well who knows, Thats what I think and why, What do you guys think?
I think this story has already gotten way out of hand...not that I'm complaining,
of course. ^_^ I'll tell you, though, I think it should take about half a dozen
separate stories to feasibly end the comic, or I'll be disappointed. In other
words, everyone should be resolved somehow.
Just my $2e-02...:)
Give me mail and nobody gets hurt! A word is worth a thousand pictures
John "Obscure Reference" D. Evans --JOR--
Isaac Ji Kuo
>(Geoffrey Robert Tebbetts) writes:
>>What will become of Ryoga? He's a pretty good character to >dispose of.
>>Can Mousse ever win Shampoo's love non-traditionally?
>>How will Kuno and Nabiki get along?
>>What about others (Ukyou, Kodachi, Doc Tofu & Kasumi)?
>I know this is going to sound strange but after watching the Christmas OVA
>I kind of thought Kasumi and Ryoga would be good together. Ryoga kind of
>needs a mother and Kasumi needs to care for people....
The Christmas OVA was not based on a manga story. Similarly, the story
where Ryooga saves Anna and her uncle is not based on a manga story.
For those who don't know how this manga<->anime interaction works,
the manga (comic) versions comes first, and anime is based on it.
Usually, the anime version will have differences, but none of these
things have any bearing on the manga story.
Therefore, anything which happens in the anime (including both movies)
ought to be considered non-canon, and they won't have any effect on
the manga ending.
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Sheila Redmond
: I can't believe I'm participating in another Ranma noise thread...oh
: well. After a week away from r.a.a., I suppose I deserve it...
: Ryouga Kun <ryou...@aol.com> wrote:
: >If I was to dictate how Ranma 1/2 would end I'd guess it would go
: >something like this:
: >Akane & Ranma: Well everyone knows it, So don't deny it.
: Yeah, yeah. Takahashi isn't going to shock anyone here. Nonetheless,
: it's like the end of Pretty in Pink, where the stock ending demanded
: by the intended young audience is disgusting to a more mature eye.
: Just ask the question--"Why do Akane and Ranma like each other?" Ugh.
: >Shampoo & Ryouga: They seemed to get allong well with eachother, And they
: >seem like they'd work out well together, If she doesn't try to cook him
: >first.
: First off, Shampoo has not and will not try to cook Ryooga or Mousse.
: After she found out about his curse, there was an incident where she
: saved him from an unknowing Cologne. In Mousse's case, it's just
: paranoia that causes that nightmare. If she wanted to cook Mousse,
: it would have happenned long ago. Is it worth noting that Shampoo
: immediately and enthusiastically fulfills Mousse's requests (whenever
: that request is to beat him up)?
: As for how well Ryooga and Shampoo get along--do they? They don't
: run into each other much, do they?
: >Genma & Nadoka: Genma just keeps coming back for pain and torture from his
: >wife Nadoka... I think he likes it or something...
: In what parallel universe? She hasn't (knowingly) seen him in over one
: and a half decades, and Genma is doing his best to extend that indefinitely.
: >Happousai & O-Babba: Cologne just can't get enough of her beloved "Happy"!
: In what parallel universe?
: >Ukkyou & Mousse: Ukkyou makes the Omanyaki's and Mousse eats 'em. They
: >need eachother!
: Let's snip this thing in the bud--under no circumstances should Ukyoo's
: name be spelled with two "k"'s. As I understand it, this stems from
: some misspelling in a video game. Don't proliferate it!
: Anyway, Ukyoo's not a main character, unfortunately, and she could easily
: just be left dangling. As for her getting together with a gaijin--it's
: not going to happen. Her father presumably doesn't mind foreigners, but
: Ukyoo seems like the epitome of Japanese-ness. She wears traditional
: clothing, has a local accent, and gets hundreds of times madder at
: Shampoo than at Akane despite knowing who her more serious rival is.
: >Kodachi & Who knows who: I have no idea whatsoever who she could marry, If
: Kodachi will almost certainly be left dangling. She's a gymnast, which
: in the Ranma 1/2 universe is supposed to be some sort of tragically
: lonely lot, or something like that.
: --
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: /___________\ "We've decided and I agree."
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You've forgot one pair: Kuno and Nibiki - She's schemeing and he's not to
bright, they're perfect for one another
John D Evans
but anyway, I think Takahashi will
|> finish Ranma like this... since it seems as Ranma won't show his face in
|> front of Nodoka without becoming a 100% man, he'll lost the curse. I'm
|> sorry to all the Ranma-chan fans, but she has to go.
No! No! No! Surely she can find some other way to resolve that conflict.
My personal theory goes something like this...
Shot of Nodoka looking surprised.
Nodoka: "Is THAT all?"
Genma and Ranma fall down doing that index-and-pinky thing with their hands.
:)
Akane will be right
|> next to him when he loses it, and she'll say something like, "Oh Ranma,
|> I'm so happy for you." Ranma'll say, "Akane, thanks for all the help" or
|> something nice for a change... and then they'll get married...
I don't mean to criticize, but...Give me a BREAK! ^_^
That's just too corny...^_^ IMHO, it should be something like this...
Ranma and Akane have one of those tender moments that they do sometimes, and
then Ranma says "kawaiikune" or something like he always does, and they trade
a couple of those insults...then they start to laugh, and realize how much they
actually like each other, and the tender mood comes back..
And then...SMOOCH! ^_^
Seriously, though, couldn't you see this? I could...
I hope.
|> ^_^ I waited very long for them to get together... they BETTER get
|> together.
I think that's pretty much a given...
I hope Nabiki will end up with Kunou... I don't know why... I
|> know she'll use him a lot... but still... I like this couple. I mean,
|> they are both 17 years old (still???).
You're right...they do work well together somehow. If they will actually concede
this. Personally, I'd like to see Nabiki show some warmth for once. In fact, I
might pay to see it. :)
Not to mention Kuno thinking of someone other than himself...^_^
I hope Ukyou will end up with
|> Ryouga... they look good together... from the "onsen race" to "cave"
|> episode...
Perhaps...I dunno, Ukkyo just seems to nice for him, or something...<shrug>
and also I hope Shampoo will just go back to China and marry
|> some guy there or even maybe live by herself... Mousse is not a kind of
|> person who can handle Shampoo anyway...
I dunno, I think he could. The only reason he can't is because he doesn't want
to hurt her...if Shampoo actually falls for him, they would make a great team.
oh wait. I forgot about that
|> Akari girl in book #30... hmmm... Ryouga would be happy with her.
Ack...when I heard about her, I was disappointed, because she seemed to throw
everything off...it kind of makes you think Takahashi will introduce a new
character to match up with every old one, so everything works out neatly.
If that did happen, I would be fairly disgusted...I think all the really old
characters (i.e., those that have been in the story for a long time), should
be matched up between themselves.
Then
|> again, if Ranma loses his curse, then everybody else has to lose their
|> curses. Without becoming P-chan, I don't see a point of Ryouga getting
|> together with Akari. Well, that's what I'm hoping.
No! Keep the curses! (sorry, but it bears repeating. ^_^)
I hope they'll
|> finish Ranma 1/2 soon...
I heard somewhere that Takahashi said she wanted to have more issues than UY.
In which case, it will be about four more volumes...^_^
|> P.S. I hope they'll keep Genma's curse though. ^_^
Definitely. :)
AMNE...@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
r...@hcflab.humnet.ucla.edu (Ray Huang) writes:
>
>I forgot when this thread was started, but this has been on my mind for a
>while. Why doesn't Rumiko Takashi end Ranma something like this? Have
>Ranma get into a situation where he gets rid of his curse by having the
>female Ranma split apart from him and make her become his sister or
>something. That way Ranma can end up marrying Akane curse free and you
>don't have to sacrafice Ranma-chan's character. Then again, maybe not. Oh
>well, just a thought.
>
>Ray
Didn't I hear something about a story where Takahashi *did* split them into
but w/out Ranma-kun side, Ranma-chan became a real bad girl? Was I just
imagining it.
Ray Huang
Song Ouk Bang
>No! No! No! Surely she can find some other way to resolve that conflict.
>My personal theory goes something like this...
>
>Shot of Nodoka looking surprised.
>Nodoka: "Is THAT all?"
>Genma and Ranma fall down doing that index-and-pinky thing with their hands.
This is possible... but it's just that they looked for that naninchuan for
such a long time, it'll be great if they found it at the end. But I can see
Nodoka saying that. She's such a naive woman. ^_^
>I don't mean to criticize, but...Give me a BREAK! ^_^
>
>That's just too corny...^_^ IMHO, it should be something like this...
>
>Ranma and Akane have one of those tender moments that they do sometimes, and
>then Ranma says "kawaiikune" or something like he always does, and they trade
>a couple of those insults...then they start to laugh, and realize how much they
>actually like each other, and the tender mood comes back..
Oh, did I forget to mention this part? ^_^ Of course they have to insult
each other a little... it's like in their blood...
>And then...SMOOCH! ^_^
Hmmm... don't know about this. I still think they are going to wait the
"kissing" part until they get married... makes it more special.
>Perhaps...I dunno, Ukkyo just seems to nice for him, or something...<shrug>
Yeah... she's such a nice girl. But Ryouga is also a nice guy... I think
it'll work out.
>I dunno, I think he could. The only reason he can't is because he doesn't want
>to hurt her...if Shampoo actually falls for him, they would make a great team.
I think Mousse is just a dumb idiot... Shampoo is too smart for him. Even
if they marry, I think they'll get divorced in like few months. I mean,
Mousse is only going after Shampoo for her looks and her sexy body. I don't
think he really likes anything about her inner self... if you marry someone,
you have to get along pretty well... and I don't think these two will get
along very well after marriage.
>Ack...when I heard about her, I was disappointed, because she seemed to throw
>everything off...it kind of makes you think Takahashi will introduce a new
>character to match up with every old one, so everything works out neatly.
>
>If that did happen, I would be fairly disgusted...I think all the really old
>characters (i.e., those that have been in the story for a long time), should
>be matched up between themselves.
Well, too bad we can't give any of our opinions to Takahashi herself... =(
>No! Keep the curses! (sorry, but it bears repeating. ^_^)
Well, I don't really care... but it would be nice if Ranma loses his curse...
I don't really care about anybody else... only Ranma.
>I heard somewhere that Takahashi said she wanted to have more issues than UY.
>In which case, it will be about four more volumes...^_^
I heard about this. Boy, at least 4 more volumes... that's one more
year! =(
>|> P.S. I hope they'll keep Genma's curse though. ^_^
>
>Definitely. :)
He should... since he stays as Panda a lot longer than his human self...
Song
Isaac Ji Kuo
well. After a week away from r.a.a., I suppose I deserve it...
Ryouga Kun <ryou...@aol.com> wrote:
>If I was to dictate how Ranma 1/2 would end I'd guess it would go
>something like this:
>Akane & Ranma: Well everyone knows it, So don't deny it.
Yeah, yeah. Takahashi isn't going to shock anyone here. Nonetheless,
it's like the end of Pretty in Pink, where the stock ending demanded
by the intended young audience is disgusting to a more mature eye.
Just ask the question--"Why do Akane and Ranma like each other?" Ugh.
>Shampoo & Ryouga: They seemed to get allong well with eachother, And they
>seem like they'd work out well together, If she doesn't try to cook him
>first.
First off, Shampoo has not and will not try to cook Ryooga or Mousse.
After she found out about his curse, there was an incident where she
saved him from an unknowing Cologne. In Mousse's case, it's just
paranoia that causes that nightmare. If she wanted to cook Mousse,
it would have happenned long ago. Is it worth noting that Shampoo
immediately and enthusiastically fulfills Mousse's requests (whenever
that request is to beat him up)?
As for how well Ryooga and Shampoo get along--do they? They don't
run into each other much, do they?
>Genma & Nadoka: Genma just keeps coming back for pain and torture from his
>wife Nadoka... I think he likes it or something...
In what parallel universe? She hasn't (knowingly) seen him in over one
and a half decades, and Genma is doing his best to extend that indefinitely.
>Happousai & O-Babba: Cologne just can't get enough of her beloved "Happy"!
In what parallel universe?
>Ukkyou & Mousse: Ukkyou makes the Omanyaki's and Mousse eats 'em. They
>need eachother!
Let's snip this thing in the bud--under no circumstances should Ukyoo's
name be spelled with two "k"'s. As I understand it, this stems from
some misspelling in a video game. Don't proliferate it!
Anyway, Ukyoo's not a main character, unfortunately, and she could easily
just be left dangling. As for her getting together with a gaijin--it's
not going to happen. Her father presumably doesn't mind foreigners, but
Ukyoo seems like the epitome of Japanese-ness. She wears traditional
clothing, has a local accent, and gets hundreds of times madder at
Shampoo than at Akane despite knowing who her more serious rival is.
>Kodachi & Who knows who: I have no idea whatsoever who she could marry, If
Kodachi will almost certainly be left dangling. She's a gymnast, which
MR0...@american.edu
>: >seem like they'd work out well together, If she doesn't try to cook him
>: >first.
>
>: >need eachother!
physics, people end up with their proclaimed mates. therefore, Mousse's
undying love for Shampoo will cause them to hook up.
then there's Kasumi and Tofu, natch. (for reason see above)
Nabiki and Kuno: she wants to live in the lap of luxury, and he's too slow
to know when he's getting shafted. also, they get along in
the anime, and that's reason enough.
Ryoga and Ukyou: Ryoga and Ukyou get along (sorta) and besides, after every-
one else has hooked up, they're the only ones left.
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Chi M Truong
> uh..let's think for a minute here please....due to romantic/comedy laws of
> physics, people end up with their proclaimed mates. therefore, Mousse's
> undying love for Shampoo will cause them to hook up.
What about Ryouga's undying love for Akane, and Shampoo's undying love
for Ranma, and Ukyou's undying love for Ranma, and Kodachi's unying
love for Ranma, and Kunou's undying love for both Akane and
onna-Ranma? Besides, Mousse is just an irritating goofball that
Shampoo hates. The only way she'd marry Mousse is if she were forced
to, and even then, she would probably fight it.
[cut]
> Ryoga and Ukyou: Ryoga and Ukyou get along (sorta) and besides, after every-
> one else has hooked up, they're the only ones left.
Being the only one's left isn't a very good reason to fall in love.
She only thinks of Ryouga as a friend. Besides, what about Akari?
She likes Ryouga in both forms. :-)
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Jeff Yang
I've been writing a fanfic that makes certain presuppositions about how
Ranma ends and doesn't end) but Dwight Decker's statement about the
differences between -kun and -chan versions of Ranma is intriguing. Even
from Viz's tagline for the series--"Yin and Yang were never so much
fun"--it's clear that there's a sense in which Ranma's two halves can be
interpreted as two identities, or facets of the same individual, perhaps.
They AREN'T identical. Part of this is clearly socialization: there are
some things that -chan can do that -kun would be mocked for doing, or
would feel ashamed of doing: eating a parfait, looking clumsy or inept,
being overtly "playful". And Ranma often uses his -chan form to indulge
these socially unacceptable impulses.
In a society like Japan, where male and female roles are so rigidly
defined and deeply impressed, at least in mainstream society, Ranma's
situation is at the same time a wish-fulfilment fantasy and a comic
shtick--because a.) many males probably long to express more "feminine"
characteristics or behaviors, which they can in a vicarious sense by
watching Ranma; b.) presenting this fantasy in an overtly comic, even
slapstick form makes it nonthreatening. By this hypothesis, Ranma 1/2
would be popular among Japanese males because it lets them indulge their
fantasies to be women, or at least release their feminine sides, while
taking refuge in the fact that hey, it's just a wacky cartoon. This, of
course, would also apply to American male fans.
(The sound of a thousand Ranma tapes being hastily ejected and replaced with
Fist of the North Star is heard across America. :) )
Jeff "Yang Was Never So Much Fun."
Song Ouk Bang
> I wouldn't be surprised if Takahasi introduced all new characters to fix
>everyone up properly.
I'm sure you are just saying that because of that Akari girl... I don't
know. I would be more pleased if they would fix up all the people in the
show with each other... and then introduce new characters for the
"leftovers"... ^_^
Isaac Ji Kuo
Dwight Decker <dec...@agcs.com> wrote:
>... Early on in the story,
>before the evil Ranma-chan's true nature was discovered, Soun suggests
>that now Ranma could marry himself (with a fantasy scene of Ranma-kun
>and Ranma-chan doing just that). In answer to the immediate objections,
>Soun grins apologetically and insists, "Jodai! Jodai!" (Ah! A single,
"joodan"
No way was that ever Soon. It was Genma who suggested that. Soon,
far from being amused, was the one upset because he wants Ranma to
marry one of his daughters, remember?
>... In theory, the female form is just the boy in a
>girl's body. ...
>... And yet, the female version seems to act differently,
If he acts differently, it's because he can get away with stuff when
he's a girl he's too embarrased about when he's a guy. Also, when
he's not shamelessly taking advantage of that, he's usually really
mad at someone in female form.
Having various perverts instinctively grab/fondle/swallow him does
wonders to reinforce his "boot-away" instinct when in female form.
I don't think male Ranma even has the "boot-away" ability, except
maybe once with Happosai on the receiving end (not sure).
Geoffrey Robert Tebbetts
> I wouldn't be surprised if Takahasi introduced all new characters to fix
>everyone up properly.
I would. She wouldn't bring up characters in the first place if some weren't
meant to be with each other. For instance, we all know that the obvious pairs
will make it, but the others? There may be some hidden loves for each other.
In other words, anything can happen. It's up to Takahashi herself.
Dwight Decker
> I forgot when this thread was started, but this has been on my mind for a
> while. Why doesn't Rumiko Takashi end Ranma something like this? Have
> Ranma get into a situation where he gets rid of his curse by having the
> female Ranma split apart from him and make her become his sister or
> something. That way Ranma can end up marrying Akane curse free and you
>
Sounds pretty good to me. Then you could do in "reality" scenes like the
one in one of the various opening title sequences where Ranma-kun and
Ranma-chan appear together. As I think somebody already mentioned, one of
the TV episodes actually did a story in which Ranma-chan split off from
Ranma-kun. I've only seen this in Japanese, of course (Viz won't get
around to it until about 2014 AD), and my NQ (Nihongo Quotient) is
somewhere in the negative numbers, so I doubtless missed many of the
subtleties, but for some reason the detached Ranma-chan was something
on the order of an Evil Spirit (whose evilness seemed to be mainly
leading Ranma-kun out of the house and sitting with him on a tree branch
all night, so he was dead tired during the day). Early on in the story,
before the evil Ranma-chan's true nature was discovered, Soun suggests
that now Ranma could marry himself (with a fantasy scene of Ranma-kun
and Ranma-chan doing just that). In answer to the immediate objections,
Soun grins apologetically and insists, "Jodai! Jodai!" (Ah! A single,
my Romanized Japanese/English dictionary! It means "joke.")
Incidentally, the more I watch this stuff, the more I have a growing
suspicion that Ranma-kun and Ranma-chan (or Ranma and "Ran-ko") are not
100% one and the same. In theory, the female form is just the boy in a
girl's body. Shampoo and Ukyou treat him as the boy they're in love with
all the time no matter which form he's in. Memory carries over from one
form to the other. And yet, the female version seems to act differently,
more impulsive somehow (or maybe it just comes from being shorter and less
strong than usual, so the trained martial artist is overcompensating?). Or
maybe it's just part of the series's comic premise: the humor comes from
a boy in a girl's body, so you have to contrive situations to exploit
the humorous potential. Ranma-kun in a comic situation wouldn't be funny
but Ranma-chan would be. Still, my impression remains that the HIM-form
is a little more thoughtful and a little slower to act (unless he's mad),
but the HER-form is impulsive and inclined to jump right into things over
her head.
On the other hand, Ranma-chan finds kissing a guy just as repugnant
as Ranma-kun would. Would a permanently separated Ranma-chan get over
that little problem or become a lesbian or even turn completely asexual?
I'm thinking about this too much.
--Dwight Decker
Mike Sprague
-> gt0...@prism.gatech.edu (Geoffrey Robert Tebbetts) writes:
-> > What will become of Ryoga? He's a good character to dispose of.
->
-> I know this is going to sound strange but after watching the
-> Christmas OVA I kind of thought Kasumi and Ryoga would be good
-> together. Ryoga kind of needs a mother and Kasumi needs to care for
-> people....
->
-> Then again what do I know...
Ah, that's a relief! I thought I was going strange.
No, you're right. Kasumi and Ryoga would make a great couple. Is
it just me or was Kasumi making a play for him when they went to get
the soy sauce? It kind of seemed that way, especially when she says,
"Yes, I'm coming ... I might remember something I've forgotten to get."
Of course, this leaves Dr. Tofu high and dry ...
- MS
Sheila Redmond
: --Dwight Decker
I figure that the separated Ranma-chan would take on the personality
of the girl that originally drowned in the cursed spring.
Song Ouk Bang
>>before the evil Ranma-chan's true nature was discovered, Soun suggests
>>that now Ranma could marry himself (with a fantasy scene of Ranma-kun
>>and Ranma-chan doing just that). In answer to the immediate objections,
>>Soun grins apologetically and insists, "Jodai! Jodai!" (Ah! A single,
>
>"joodan"
>
>No way was that ever Soon. It was Genma who suggested that. Soon,
>far from being amused, was the one upset because he wants Ranma to
>marry one of his daughters, remember?
I'm absolutely positive that it WAS Soun who said they should marry each
other. And he did say "Joudan! Joudan!" It doesn't make any sense if
it was Genma who said they should marry each other. Why would Genma want
his son to marry his "daughter"? Genma did say this though... "But to me, I
gained a daughter. I'll make Ranma marry Akane, and I'll make Ranma-chan
marry some rich guy. *quietly laughing* That's it! My hard life is
over! *LAUGHING*"
I don't forget funny line like this. ^_^
John D Evans
|> John D Evans <jev...@athena.mit.edu> wrote:
|> >No! No! No! Surely she can find some other way to resolve that conflict.
|> >My personal theory goes something like this...
|> >
|> >Shot of Nodoka looking surprised.
|> >Nodoka: "Is THAT all?"
|> >Genma and Ranma fall down doing that index-and-pinky thing with their hands.
|>
|> This is possible... but it's just that they looked for that naninchuan for
|> such a long time, it'll be great if they found it at the end. But I can see
|> Nodoka saying that. She's such a naive woman. ^_^
I thought of it the other way around...I mean, she wanted Ranma to grow up to be
a good man...and he has, pretty much, except for this curse that he accidentally
acquired...through Genma's fault...^_^ So I think that Nodoka would understand,
and just wouldn't care. I.e., "That isn't what I meant!" :)
|> >That's just too corny...^_^ IMHO, it should be something like this...
|> >
|> >Ranma and Akane have one of those tender moments that they do sometimes, and
|> >then Ranma says "kawaiikune" or something like he always does, and they trade
|> >a couple of those insults...then they start to laugh, and realize how much they
|> >actually like each other, and the tender mood comes back..
|>
|> Oh, did I forget to mention this part? ^_^ Of course they have to insult
|> each other a little... it's like in their blood...
Yep. :)
|> >And then...SMOOCH! ^_^
|>
|> Hmmm... don't know about this. I still think they are going to wait the
|> "kissing" part until they get married... makes it more special.
You might be right...but I think they need some sort of expression of affection...
the kiss would seem to be the most natural, since they make a big deal about it
in some episodes...^_^
|> >Perhaps...I dunno, Ukkyo just seems to nice for him, or something...<shrug>
|>
|> Yeah... she's such a nice girl. But Ryouga is also a nice guy... I think
|> it'll work out.
Ryoga a nice guy...all I can say is, yes and no...my personal interpretation says
they wouldn't quite fit...which hardly means it's what Takahashi will eventually
do...^_^
|> I think Mousse is just a dumb idiot... Shampoo is too smart for him. Even
|> if they marry, I think they'll get divorced in like few months. I mean,
|> Mousse is only going after Shampoo for her looks and her sexy body. I don't
|> think he really likes anything about her inner self... if you marry someone,
|> you have to get along pretty well... and I don't think these two will get
|> along very well after marriage.
Hm, I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few points.
First, I don't think Mousse is dumb...he just seems that way for three reasons:
1) Ranma always beats him up 2) he can hardly see and 3) he won't take no for an
answer from Shampoo. Personally, I would think the third reason is explainable
just because he loves her so much...
And the story goes that Mousse has been in love with Shampoo since they were
children...which would seem to invalidate the looks argument...^_^
However, consider this: Mousse won't really force himself on Shampoo...I believe
it's been said that he could probably defeat Shampoo, but he can't bring himself
to. He wants her love rather than her acquiescence. So if they actually did get
married, it would mean that Shampoo did love him. Which would mean that they
would probably get along...I think...^_^
To tell you the truth, I've never really understood what Mousse sees in Shampoo...
ah, well...^_^
[Akari]
|> >Ack...when I heard about her, I was disappointed, because she seemed to throw
|> >everything off...it kind of makes you think Takahashi will introduce a new
|> >character to match up with every old one, so everything works out neatly.
|> >
|> >If that did happen, I would be fairly disgusted...I think all the really old
|> >characters (i.e., those that have been in the story for a long time), should
|> >be matched up between themselves.
|>
|> Well, too bad we can't give any of our opinions to Takahashi herself... =(
No kidding...^_^ (Wouldn't it be cool if she had an email account? :) )
Later...
Song Ouk Bang
>up to be a good man...and he has, pretty much, except for this curse
>that he accidentally acquired...through Genma's fault...^_^ So I think
>that Nodoka would understand, and just wouldn't care. I.e., "That isn't
>what I meant!" :)
Yeah, maybe you're right... but I still think she'll faint when she realizes
that Ranko-chan is really her son... ^_^ But I'm sure she'll understand...
I think. ^_-
>You might be right...but I think they need some sort of expression of
>affection... the kiss would seem to be the most natural, since they make
>a big deal about it in some episodes...^_^
Just saying nice things to each other is enough for these two... I mean,
they "insult" each other so much... if they say something nice for a change,
I think audience will be pleased with it. Of course, a kiss at the end of
the story will be nice... ^_^
>Ryoga a nice guy...all I can say is, yes and no...my personal
>interpretation says they wouldn't quite fit...which hardly means it's
>what Takahashi will eventually do...^_^
^_^ Yeah, I don't think they'll fit with each other THAT well, either...
but who else can Ukyou take? I wish Takahashi can draw me in there... ^_^
>Hm, I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few points.
>
>First, I don't think Mousse is dumb...he just seems that way for three reasons:
>1) Ranma always beats him up 2) he can hardly see and 3) he won't take
>no for an answer from Shampoo. Personally, I would think the third
>reason is explainable just because he loves her so much...
Well, I still think he's just dumb. ^_^
>And the story goes that Mousse has been in love with Shampoo since they were
>children...which would seem to invalidate the looks argument...^_^
Well, I guess he could've had a normal life if he didn't meet Shampoo when
he was young... but since he did, he grew up... just thinking about
Shampoo... so, he can't think of anything but Shampoo now... which I think
is a definition of dumb. ^_^
>However, consider this: Mousse won't really force himself on Shampoo...
>I believe it's been said that he could probably defeat Shampoo, but he
>can't bring himself to. He wants her love rather than her acquiescence.
>So if they actually did get married, it would mean that Shampoo did love
>him. Which would mean that they would probably get along...I think...^_^
Well, maybe Shampoo will get drunk when she finds out that Ranma loves Akane
more... and "accidentally" marry Mousse. ^_^ I still don't think Mousse
will be a good husband for Shampoo... he can't really do anything useful.
He'll probably make Shampoo make money... and he'll just sit around home,
watching sports or something. ^_^
>To tell you the truth, I've never really understood what Mousse sees in
>Shampoo... ah, well...^_^
Ah, Shampoo hater! ^_^ Hard to find one these days... probably I hate
Shampoo more than you do. Never really got to like her... ^_^
[Shampoo-fan. The finger information on my account is NOT real. So don't
send me death-threats... please! ^_-]
>|> Well, too bad we can't give any of our opinions to Takahashi herself... =(
>
>No kidding...^_^ (Wouldn't it be cool if she had an email account? :) )
If she did, it'll be flooded with e-mails everyday... I don't think
she'll have time to read all of them... besides, I doubt she'll
understand English too well anyway. ^_^
Ryouga Kun
((Rolling On The Floor Laughing)) That was great! I personnaly wouldn't
eject my Ranma tape if I had one in there. I like Ranma, I'd like to read
that FanFic, I love reading those! Expecially Ranma ones, With a generous
helping of Ryouga and Shampoo in em score BIG! But really if you could
send a copy my way when you get done, Ranma tapes ejecting for Fist Of The
North Star? Noooooo. Dragon Ball Z, Much more blood and gore and
masculine. Just what I hate... Give me Ranma and Lum any day over much of
anything else. Well maybe Sailor Moon, Dragon Warrior, and Rumik World.
Keep on the FanFic! Keep going and get it out. Like I tell my users on my
BBS, Maybe the author of the series will see it and make it into a movie
or TV eppisode. And make you millions... <G>... Remember those kids from
Tiny Toons? I rest my case.... <G>.
Ryouga Hibiki
Ryou...@AOL.COM
Dov Sherman
I guess everyone's got their own idea of who's gonna wind up hitching up with
whom and few people will agree on it.
But what I'm really curious about is the other stuff like, will Ranma's
curse be cured?? If so, do you think he'll miss it? Will he ever really
get to meet his mother as Ranma (not as "Ranko")?
Also, Ranma's been cursed for so long and he keeps showing up in nice girl
clothes in his girl-form and the clothes fit him well so they can't be
borrowed from Akane. Apparently, he's got a wardrobe of women's clothing
now. Hmmm... I guess that's not a question. Just an observation.
Ryouga Kun
(Mike Sprague) writes:
>> Ah, that's a relief! I thought I was going strange.
>> No, you're right. Kasumi and Ryoga would make a great couple. Is
>> it just me or was Kasumi making a play for him when they went to get
>> the soy sauce? It kind of seemed that way, especially when she says,
>> "Yes, I'm coming ... I might remember something I've forgotten to get."
>> Of course, this leaves Dr. Tofu high and dry ...
Kasumi and Ryouga?... Kasumi and Ryouga?... "We Can Dig It." That too
would be nice. But I think Shampoo and Ryouga would be cooler! but Kasumi
and Ryouga would also be lovely as well.
Ryouga Hibiki
Ryou...@AOL.COM
John D Evans
|> John D Evans <jev...@athena.mit.edu> wrote:
|> >I thought of it the other way around...I mean, she wanted Ranma to grow
|> >up to be a good man...and he has, pretty much, except for this curse
|> >that he accidentally acquired...through Genma's fault...^_^ So I think
|> >that Nodoka would understand, and just wouldn't care. I.e., "That isn't
|> >what I meant!" :)
|>
|> Yeah, maybe you're right... but I still think she'll faint when she realizes
|> that Ranko-chan is really her son... ^_^ But I'm sure she'll understand...
|> I think. ^_-
I agree. ^_^
|> >You might be right...but I think they need some sort of expression of
|> >affection... the kiss would seem to be the most natural, since they make
|> >a big deal about it in some episodes...^_^
|>
|> Just saying nice things to each other is enough for these two... I mean,
|> they "insult" each other so much... if they say something nice for a change,
|> I think audience will be pleased with it. Of course, a kiss at the end of
|> the story will be nice... ^_^
It would, wouldn't it...^_^
|> >Ryoga a nice guy...all I can say is, yes and no...my personal
|> >interpretation says they wouldn't quite fit...which hardly means it's
|> >what Takahashi will eventually do...^_^
|>
|> ^_^ Yeah, I don't think they'll fit with each other THAT well, either...
|> but who else can Ukyou take? I wish Takahashi can draw me in there... ^_^
Heh, heh...but that is a good question...Hm. I guess we'll just have to wait and
see...^_^
|> >Hm, I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few points.
|> >
|> >First, I don't think Mousse is dumb...he just seems that way for three reasons:
|> >1) Ranma always beats him up 2) he can hardly see and 3) he won't take
|> >no for an answer from Shampoo. Personally, I would think the third
|> >reason is explainable just because he loves her so much...
|>
|> Well, I still think he's just dumb. ^_^
Well, if you really think so...^_^
|> >And the story goes that Mousse has been in love with Shampoo since they were
|> >children...which would seem to invalidate the looks argument...^_^
|>
|> Well, I guess he could've had a normal life if he didn't meet Shampoo when
|> he was young... but since he did, he grew up... just thinking about
|> Shampoo... so, he can't think of anything but Shampoo now... which I think
|> is a definition of dumb. ^_^
Could be...but since he's doing it for love, it's called "noble"...^_-
|> >However, consider this: Mousse won't really force himself on Shampoo...
|> >I believe it's been said that he could probably defeat Shampoo, but he
|> >can't bring himself to. He wants her love rather than her acquiescence.
|> >So if they actually did get married, it would mean that Shampoo did love
|> >him. Which would mean that they would probably get along...I think...^_^
|>
|> Well, maybe Shampoo will get drunk when she finds out that Ranma loves Akane
|> more... and "accidentally" marry Mousse. ^_^ I still don't think Mousse
|> will be a good husband for Shampoo... he can't really do anything useful.
|> He'll probably make Shampoo make money... and he'll just sit around home,
|> watching sports or something. ^_^
Ack! Maybe not...^_^ Actually, I think Mousse can help with the restaurant...
he does in the series...it can just be a family-run restaurant...what does
Mousse do for money *now*? I think Cologne must feed him out of pity or
something...so it wouldn't be all that different...^_^
|> >To tell you the truth, I've never really understood what Mousse sees in
|> >Shampoo... ah, well...^_^
|>
|> Ah, Shampoo hater! ^_^ Hard to find one these days... probably I hate
|> Shampoo more than you do. Never really got to like her... ^_^
It isn't that I hate her...it's just that I don't really like her...^_^
|> >|> Well, too bad we can't give any of our opinions to Takahashi herself... =(
|> >
|> >No kidding...^_^ (Wouldn't it be cool if she had an email account? :) )
|>
|> If she did, it'll be flooded with e-mails everyday... I don't think
|> she'll have time to read all of them... besides, I doubt she'll
|> understand English too well anyway. ^_^
Yep...probably wouldn't be beneficial for her...besides not being able to read
it...^_^ Oh, well...
brendan odonnell
: In article <ray-0411...@128.97.170.54>
I believe you're refering to the time haposai sued a magic
brazier to split off ranma's female side, only the female side
manifested as a demonic entity who tried to take controll of ranma.
I also read a fan fiction where haposai tried it again, and
when ranma stopped him he discovered that the deamon appeared because
haposai couldn't read the directions writen on the braiser. By doing
the process right, ranma did manage to split himself into non
transforming people, however in what I have so far Ranma-chan(Ranma's
female side) was prety tromatised by sudenly being a girl forever.
Isaac Ji Kuo
Dov Sherman <AB3...@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU> wrote:
>Also, Ranma's been cursed for so long and he keeps showing up in nice girl
> clothes in his girl-form and the clothes fit him well so they can't be
> borrowed from Akane. Apparently, he's got a wardrobe of women's clothing
> now. Hmmm... I guess that's not a question. Just an observation.
I don't think so. Other than some anime-only scenes (like in Xmas OAV),
he only wears a dress when forced to (usually, because some pervert who
doesn't know about his curse has dressed him up that way while he was
unconscious). Even then, it's not clear they fit him well. Based on
the anime, he has probably bought exactly one dress (well, Akane, really).
Assuming he didn't get rid of it, that'd still not be much of a wardrobe.
Isaac Ji Kuo
Song Ouk Bang <s...@uclink.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>Isaac Ji Kuo <isaa...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>>>before the evil Ranma-chan's true nature was discovered, Soun suggests
>>>that now Ranma could marry himself (with a fantasy scene of Ranma-kun
>>>and Ranma-chan doing just that). In answer to the immediate objections,
>>>Soun grins apologetically and insists, "Jodai! Jodai!" (Ah! A single,
>>No way was that ever Soon. It was Genma who suggested that. Soon,
>I'm absolutely positive that it WAS Soun who said they should marry each
>other. And he did say "Joudan! Joudan!" It doesn't make any sense if
I had remembered it a bit wrong, since it was a while since I had seen
it.
Genma was the only person who actually _said_ anything about female Ranma
being married, and the only person to say anything like that _before_
female Ranma's nature was explained by Cologne. Of course, he had a
more selfish idea in mind...
Later, _after_ Cologne explains the situation, Soon and Genma imagine
the two getting married, but it goes unstated in the anime (it's just
the fantasy scene). However, when that fantasy scene is on screen,
Soon and Genma simultaneously say how it would be a _bad_ situation.
Akane and Shampoo immediately ringed in in agreement, and yes, it was
Soon who said, "Joodan, joodan! Joodan!"
Ray Huang
> as Ranma-kun would. Would a permanently separated Ranma-chan get over
> that little problem or become a lesbian or even turn completely asexual?
> I'm thinking about this too much.
Uh, Dwight, I feel you might have gone just a little too far with this.
Sorry, just my opinion, but I meant only to share a thought that came up
during discussons with my younger teenage cousin. He was just commenting
that it seemed to him that Ranma-chan was a seperate and individually
character. And remember that this is a cartoon, so anything can happen.
Ranma-chan could and I hope would like guys after she is seperated. I also
don't think that Rumiko Takahashi would make Ranma-chan into a lesbian or
asexual because of a comment someone posted a while back about a pregnant
Ranma-chan. She says that she doesn't worry about it, and that we
shouldn't either. And I hope not! Now, you've gotten me thinking too
much.
Ray
Isaac Ji Kuo
>MR0...@american.edu writes:
>> Ryoga and Ukyou: Ryoga and Ukyou get along (sorta) and besides, after every-
>> one else has hooked up, they're the only ones left.
>Being the only one's left isn't a very good reason to fall in love.
>She only thinks of Ryouga as a friend. Besides, what about Akari?
>She likes Ryouga in both forms. :-)
For all the times Ukyoo and Ryooga bump into each other, they seem
rather distant. I don't think Ukyoo thinks of Ryooga as anything at
all (as opposed to Ranma, whom she dreams of all the time). Does she
even know about Ryooga's curse? Has she even seen P-chan?
Charlie Luce
>I figure that the separated Ranma-chan would take on the personality
>of the girl that originally drowned in the cursed spring.
Then I think the _first_ order of business would be swimming lessons! ^_^
Shoots down the Nabiki & Kuno pair, though, doesn't it, unless "Ranko" leaves
town. (Now wouldn't it be funny if Ranko fell for Ryouga?).
Would you want to apply the process to the others' curses? Akane gets P-Chan
full time, I suppose, and the Tokyo zoo gets a new panda exhibit.
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Keith J. Davey
: In article <399d28$d...@acmex.gatech.edu>, gt0...@prism.gatech.edu
: (Geoffrey Robert Tebbetts) writes:
: >What will become of Ryoga? He's a pretty good character to >dispose of.
: >Can Mousse ever win Shampoo's love non-traditionally?
: >How will Kuno and Nabiki get along?
: >What about others (Ukyou, Kodachi, Doc Tofu & Kasumi)?
: I know this is going to sound strange but after watching the Christmas OVA
: I kind of thought Kasumi and Ryoga would be good together. Ryoga kind of
: needs a mother and Kasumi needs to care for people....
: Then again what do I know..
: -=Kate=-
I would have to agree that Ryouga and Kasumi would make a great pair. They
seem almost made for on another. If I remember correctly there is a sceen in
the second Ranma movie that seems to show that this is where it might be leading. Then again it has been such a long time since I have seen the movie that
I might be mistaken.
SPC Keith Davey
U.S. Army, MI Corps.
kda...@oldcolo.com
Luigi Mattera
: : -=Kate=-
Actually the second movie paired the girls/guys in the following way:
1. Ranma & Akane
2. Shampoo & Mousse
3. Nabiki & Kuno
4. Ryouga & Ukyou
Robert Babcock
: seem almost made for on another. If I remember correctly there is a sceen in
: the second Ranma movie that seems to show that this is where it might be leading. Then again it has been such a long time since I have seen the movie that
: I might be mistaken.
: SPC Keith Davey
: U.S. Army, MI Corps.
: kda...@oldcolo.com
<BLINK> <BLINK>
I think you've got your characters wrong, in movie #2 Ryouga ended up
paired up with Ukyou. Besides, I'd say it's been telegraphed from that
start and throughout the rest of the series that Kasumi and Tofu will
eventually get together. Assuming he can stop causing severe collateral
damage whenever he sees her.
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Ed Sharpe
>Keith J. Davey (kda...@oldcolo.com) wrote:
>: I would have to agree that Ryouga and Kasumi would make a great pair. They
>: seem almost made for on another. If I remember correctly there is a sceen in
>: the second Ranma movie that seems to show that this is where it might be leading. Then again it has been such a long time since I have seen the movie that
>: I might be mistaken.
Having only just starting to watch Ranma, and since the 1st TV episoide
is still in my mind. The first thing that Kasumi asked her father
about Ranma was How old was she. She is interested in an older
man. "younger men are so, young".
>I think you've got your characters wrong, in movie #2 Ryouga ended up
>paired up with Ukyou. Besides, I'd say it's been telegraphed from that
>start and throughout the rest of the series that Kasumi and Tofu will
>eventually get together. Assuming he can stop causing severe collateral
>damage whenever he sees her.
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Mike Sprague
KD-> : I would have to agree that Ryouga and Kasumi would make a great
-> pair. They : seem almost made for on another. If I remember
-> correctly there is a sceen in : the second Ranma movie that seems to
-> show that this is where it might be leading. Then again it has been
-> such a long time since I have seen the movie that
-> : I might be mistaken.
RB-> <BLINK> <BLINK>
-> I think you've got your characters wrong, in movie #2 Ryouga ended up
-> paired up with Ukyou. Besides, I'd say it's been telegraphed from
-> that start and throughout the rest of the series that Kasumi and Tofu
-> will eventually get together. Assuming he can stop causing severe
-> collateral damage whenever he sees her.
Naaah. Ryoga DOES rescue Ukyou in the second movie, but there's
obviously no romantic connection there. "Akane!" "Ryoga! Help me!"
"Oh, it's just you. Bye!" They're hardly the perfect couple.
I think the reference that Ryoga cares about Kasumi came at the
beginning when he's imagining her being kidnapped by giant octopi.
He did seem awfully concerned about her ... and Kasumi obviously
likes him too (of course, Kasumi likes EVERYONE.)
You have a point about Dr. Tofu, of course ... every time we
come up with one happy couple, another has to go ... I wonder where
Akari has got to..?
- MS
Arbaal
> |> Ah, Shampoo hater! ^_^ Hard to find one these days... probably I hate
> |> Shampoo more than you do. Never really got to like her... ^_^
> It isn't that I hate her...it's just that I don't really like her...^_^
Blashemy!!!!!!!!!!
Shampoo is the Goddess!
Arbaal
Song Ouk Bang
>Shampoo is the Goddess!
Yeah, she is... Goddess of EVIL.
P-Chan
Hmmm, if he gives you a copy, let me know, ok? I need some FanFics BAD! I'd
mail him myself exept my server deleted the original....
P-Chan
P-Chan
> ->
> -> I know this is going to sound strange but after watching the
> -> Christmas OVA I kind of thought Kasumi and Ryoga would be good
> -> together. Ryoga kind of needs a mother and Kasumi needs to care for
> -> people....
> ->
> -> Then again what do I know...
> Ah, that's a relief! I thought I was going strange.
> No, you're right. Kasumi and Ryoga would make a great couple. Is
> it just me or was Kasumi making a play for him when they went to get
> the soy sauce? It kind of seemed that way, especially when she says,
> "Yes, I'm coming ... I might remember something I've forgotten to get."
> Of course, this leaves Dr. Tofu high and dry ...
HUH?!
Ryouga and Kasumi? That would be weird. In the Christmas OAV, I don't
think that was a "play" for him. Have you ever been food shopping at
Christmas? You will forget stuff, even if you're Kasumi! After 5 trips to the
Food Lion, I know. Besides, there is ONE personality trait you guys are
forgetting about Kasumi: she doesn't DO that type of thing. Remeber in one
of the Nett. eps when the guys at the beach were hitting on her and she
didn't even realizie it? How can she play if she doesn't know the rules? Oh,
I kinda wen overboard on that one, didn't I?
Just a thought: What happens when Kasumi goes for a check-up? Now THATS
scary....
P-Chan
Duane Anthony Johnson
(Mike Sprague) wrote:
Well, I've done my share of closet Ranma matchmaking (hoping, in some
cases), and one of the pairs I've come up with is Ryoga and Ukyou. I
could be wrong, buy I'm pretty sure Akane will end up with Ranma
(eventually). So, where does that leave Ryoga? I don't know much about
Ukyou's background, buy from what I've seen of her, I think it could work
between them. Ryoga will just have to get his head out of the clouds
first (after he asks for directions that is).
Andy Chiu
: Well, I've done my share of closet Ranma matchmaking (hoping, in some
: cases), and one of the pairs I've come up with is Ryoga and Ukyou. I
: could be wrong, buy I'm pretty sure Akane will end up with Ranma
: (eventually). So, where does that leave Ryoga? I don't know much about
: Ukyou's background, buy from what I've seen of her, I think it could work
: between them. Ryoga will just have to get his head out of the clouds
: first (after he asks for directions that is).
Agree 1000%...after all, Ryoga has nobody else to go with...Nabiki? No
way whatsoever... Ukyou and Ryoga makes a GREAT couple anyway..at least
Ukyou knows her direction..:)
Takahashi will throw off MANY of her readers if Akane doesn't end up with
Ranma... I definitely hope the ending is not going to be that
disappoiting..:)
Andy
Chi M Truong
> Agree 1000%...after all, Ryoga has nobody else to go with...Nabiki? No
> way whatsoever... Ukyou and Ryoga makes a GREAT couple anyway..at least
> Ukyou knows her direction..:)
>
> Takahashi will throw off MANY of her readers if Akane doesn't end up with
> Ranma... I definitely hope the ending is not going to be that
> disappoiting..:)
>
> Andy
Actually, Ryouga has Akari, the pig-loving girl. And Ukyou, well,
she's got Tsubasa <shudder>, just like Shampoo has Mousse <shudder>.
Ukyou might also match up with Crepe Joe, but their cooking styles
conflict.
Chi M. Truong
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>Duane Anthony Johnson (dajo...@bucknell.edu) wrote:
>: Well, I've done my share of closet Ranma matchmaking (hoping, in some
>: cases), and one of the pairs I've come up with is Ryoga and Ukyou. I
>: could be wrong, buy I'm pretty sure Akane will end up with Ranma
>: (eventually).
A fair bet. They've been in love since around episodce 5 (of 150+).
>: So, where does that leave Ryoga?
As an unmarried bachelor ;-)
>: I don't know much about
>: Ukyou's background, buy from what I've seen of her, I think it could work
>: between them. Ryoga will just have to get his head out of the clouds
>: first (after he asks for directions that is).
>Agree 1000%...after all, Ryoga has nobody else to go with...Nabiki? No
>way whatsoever... Ukyou and Ryoga makes a GREAT couple anyway..at least
>Ukyou knows her direction..:)
I don't see what makes Ukyou and Ryouga so good for each other. People
are simply matching them because they're there.
>Takahashi will throw off MANY of her readers if Akane doesn't end up with
>Ranma... I definitely hope the ending is not going to be that
>disappoiting..:)
Actually I would love to see Ranma walk out on AKane after one of her
temper tantrums and move in with Ukyou (or Shampoo). Would be an
entertaining twist to what has become a predictable series. IMHO.
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Dov Sherman
> Actually, Ryouga has Akari, the pig-loving girl. And Ukyou, well,
> she's got Tsubasa <shudder>, just like Shampoo has Mousse <shudder>.
> Ukyou might also match up with Crepe Joe, but their cooking styles
> conflict.
Ryouga's a bigger fool than he sometimes seems if he doesn't go back to
Akari once Ranma nd Akane get married (an inevitable ending). And while
I really do like Tsubasa (definitely one of my fave characters), I seriously
doubt Ukyou will ever fall for him unless something drastic happens to
change her view of him (like something traumatic like being rescued from
certain death by Tsubasa or maybe getting hit on the head really hard).
But Ukyou and Joe have no love between them, do they? Near as I can tell,
their only relationship is competitive martial arts cooking.
I think Mousse will one day win Shampoo over. He tries so hard and suffers
so much he really deserves something. Maybe he'll get some training and
finally defeat her so she could allow herself to love him.
Who knows? With this series, anything could happen. (Jeez, that really sounds
like a bad advertising plug line, doesn't it?)
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AB3...@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Dov Sherman) writes:
>In <siqE0ge00...@andrew.cmu.edu> ct...@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
>> Actually, Ryouga has Akari, the pig-loving girl. And Ukyou, well,
>> she's got Tsubasa <shudder>, just like Shampoo has Mousse <shudder>.
>> Ukyou might also match up with Crepe Joe, but their cooking styles
>> conflict.
>Ryouga's a bigger fool than he sometimes seems if he doesn't go back to
> Akari once Ranma nd Akane get married (an inevitable ending). And while
> I really do like Tsubasa (definitely one of my fave characters), I seriously
> doubt Ukyou will ever fall for him unless something drastic happens to
> change her view of him (like something traumatic like being rescued from
> certain death by Tsubasa or maybe getting hit on the head really hard).
> But Ukyou and Joe have no love between them, do they? Near as I can tell,
> their only relationship is competitive martial arts cooking.
Uh... pardon my ignorance, but who's Crepe Joe?
Did he apear before or after vol.27 (condensed manga)?
Glenn Wang
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Andy Chiu
: >: So, where does that leave Ryoga?
: As an unmarried bachelor ;-)
Argh...his piggy life is miserable enough..:)
: I don't see what makes Ukyou and Ryouga so good for each other. People
: are simply matching them because they're there.
And I don't see what makes them NOT good for each other. You're right.
They're probably not the perfect couple. But they're there and they
can't go with anyone else, plus there's no reason that they can NOT go
together, so they might as well be matched. Makes perfect sense to me.
Actually there ARE reasons that they're good for each other. Ukyou is
the kind of strong and able female, whereas Ryouga is often confused and
lost..:)
: Actually I would love to see Ranma walk out on AKane after one of her
: temper tantrums and move in with Ukyou (or Shampoo). Would be an
: entertaining twist to what has become a predictable series. IMHO.
Hasn't he done that many times already even though they do come back
together in the end? I remember he changed the marriage agreement to
Nabiki in one of the episodes...that's just one example..
If he does do that IN THE END, though, I wouldn't think it's an
"entertaining twist".
Andy
Isaac Ji Kuo
>David Bateson (ma...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
>: I don't see what makes Ukyou and Ryouga so good for each other. People
>: are simply matching them because they're there.
This is true. It makes little/no sense. They have no history, no feelings
for each other, and only one of them is a main character.
>And I don't see what makes them NOT good for each other.
They don't like each other. Ryooga likes Akane. Ukyoo likes Ranma.
This is pretty obviously the only thing which matters in Ranma 1/2 if
Akane and Ranma are destined for each other. Is there any reason why
Akane and Ranma should care for each other besides the fact that they
care for each other? No.
OTOH, there are plenty of reasons why they shouldn't care about each other.
>You're right. They're probably not the perfect couple. But they're
>there and they can't go with anyone else, plus there's no reason that
>they can NOT go together, so they might as well be matched. Makes
>perfect sense to me.
How about a course in Takahashi 101? Not all loose ends get tied up in the
end of a Takahashi series, not even all main characters. In UY, _nothing_
got resolved in the end. In MI, just about everybody was paired in the end
with notable exceptions of certain weirdos, but still one main character,
Yagami Ibuki, was left entirely dangling (and not even mentionned in the
end).
Now, let's take a look at Ranma 1/2. One need only glance at the situation
to realize that loose ends are inevitable. Upon closer examination, it
seems that Ryooga won't be a loose end--but it's with some other girl.
As for Ukyoo, she's not even a main character, and she's also the most
independent of all characters with the possible exception of Tofu. She's
obviously not one of the more popular characters (take a look at who appears
in Ranma 1/2 merchandise). Loose end? Most likely.
>Actually there ARE reasons that they're good for each other. Ukyou is
>the kind of strong and able female, whereas Ryouga is often confused and
>lost..:)
Akane is kind of a strong and able female. Umm...so is Shampoo.
>: Actually I would love to see Ranma walk out on AKane after one of her
>: temper tantrums and move in with Ukyou (or Shampoo). Would be an
>: entertaining twist to what has become a predictable series. IMHO.
I agree, but unfortunately Takahashi is not such a writer. She'll stick
to what the majority of readers want.
>Hasn't he done that many times already even though they do come back
>together in the end?
Ranma has never shacked up with Shampoo, and he's only "sort of" shacked
up with Ukyoo (the rest of the Tendoo and Saotome families were also
in the room). As for Kodachi...
>I remember he changed the marriage agreement to
>Nabiki in one of the episodes...that's just one example..
Never got to 1/10th base. Gosunkugi's gotten further with Akane.
>If he does do that IN THE END, though, I wouldn't think it's an
>"entertaining twist".
I, for one, would be _very_ entertained. It would certainly boost my
respect for Takahashi.
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: This is true. It makes little/no sense. They have no history, no feelings
: for each other, and only one of them is a main character.
: They don't like each other. Ryooga likes Akane. Ukyoo likes Ranma.
In MI, Mitaka doesn't like Akina either. Did they get together at the
end? Sure... Mitaka decided to marry Akina simply because he thought
Akina was pregenant.. he still loves Kyoga..
Conclusion.. Takahashi DOES match people without mutual love together if
it is neccessary.
: This is pretty obviously the only thing which matters in Ranma 1/2 if
: Akane and Ranma are destined for each other. Is there any reason why
: Akane and Ranma should care for each other besides the fact that they
: care for each other? No.
They care for each other, they like each other (made perfectly clear in
the later episodes), and they're destined for each other (how many people
of their age do live together and are arranged to be married?). I don't
think, therefore, there's any reason that they should NOT be together in
the end.
: OTOH, there are plenty of reasons why they shouldn't care about each other.
There are plenty of reasons why nobody should care about anyone else.
They DO care for each other, that's all that matters.
: Now, let's take a look at Ranma 1/2. One need only glance at the situation
: to realize that loose ends are inevitable. Upon closer examination, it
Not nearly neccessary. Takahashi does show a sense of Ukyoo and Ryoga
being together in the episode of the "Cursed Couple Seperation Hole"
(however it was orignally called...part 9 of Chinese translated manga
volume 27...I only wish I can read th eoriginal version..)... and also in
the episode where everyone fights for a trip to China in couples.. in
which Ukyoo and Ryoga was coupled up and won the race in the end..
: seems that Ryooga won't be a loose end--but it's with some other girl.
: As for Ukyoo, she's not even a main character, and she's also the most
Why isn't Ukyoo a main character?? I think she is just as important as
Shampoo or Akane, if you consider them being the main female characters.
: independent of all characters with the possible exception of Tofu. She's
: obviously not one of the more popular characters (take a look at who appears
: in Ranma 1/2 merchandise). Loose end? Most likely.
A main character doesn't have to be a popular one, IMHO..
: I agree, but unfortunately Takahashi is not such a writer. She'll stick
: to what the majority of readers want.
: >If he does do that IN THE END, though, I wouldn't think it's an
: >"entertaining twist".
: I, for one, would be _very_ entertained. It would certainly boost my
: respect for Takahashi.
Hehe...I guess everyone's different..let's see how Takahashi will plot it..
Andy
Barry Hales
says...
>: This is true. It makes little/no sense. They have no history, no
feelings
>: for each other, and only one of them is a main character.
>
>: They don't like each other. Ryooga likes Akane. Ukyoo likes Ranma.
>
>being together in the episode of the "Cursed Couple Seperation Hole"
>(however it was orignally called...part 9 of Chinese translated manga
>volume 27...I only wish I can read th eoriginal version..)... and also
in
>the episode where everyone fights for a trip to China in couples.. in
>which Ukyoo and Ryoga was coupled up and won the race in the end..
After just seeing "Nihao My Concubine: Bring Back the Brides", I can see
how Ukyou and Ryouga might get matched up if Ranma 1/2 was ever ended.
Apparently, from the above information, there is another episode to
support this. I think Ranma is intened to be a happy-ending love story,
so everybody would get paired up. Shampoo even warmed up to Mousse in
this one.
Barry
b...@cybernetics.net
ps Now where did all the characters get their exploding-energy combat
moves like Ranma uses at the end of the movie? Is that from the second
tv series?
Song Ouk Bang
>After just seeing "Nihao My Concubine: Bring Back the Brides", I can see
>how Ukyou and Ryouga might get matched up if Ranma 1/2 was ever ended.
>Apparently, from the above information, there is another episode to
>support this. I think Ranma is intened to be a happy-ending love story,
>so everybody would get paired up. Shampoo even warmed up to Mousse in
>this one.
I also do have a feeling that Ryouga and Ukyou will be together at the
end... but Shampoo and Mousse? I still say they don't look good together...
>ps Now where did all the characters get their exploding-energy combat
>moves like Ranma uses at the end of the movie? Is that from the second
>tv series?
That is from the second TV series... or Nettouhen episodes. That was a
pretty good story... and he learns "iryuu shotenha" (in Ranma movie #1)
from Cologne in Nettouhen episodes, too.
Isaac Ji Kuo
>: This is true. It makes little/no sense. They have no history, no feelings
>: for each other, and only one of them is a main character.
>: They don't like each other. Ryooga likes Akane. Ukyoo likes Ranma.
>In MI, Mitaka doesn't like Akina either. Did they get together at the
>end? Sure... Mitaka decided to marry Akina simply because he thought
>Akina was pregenant.. he still loves Kyoga..
Asuna. Kyooko. I'd actually be very interested how these misspellings
came about.
>Conclusion.. Takahashi DOES match people without mutual love together if
>it is neccessary.
And it isn't necessary here. Besides, Ryooga's getting matched up with
someone else, and Ukyoo isn't a main character.
>: This is pretty obviously the only thing which matters in Ranma 1/2 if
>: Akane and Ranma are destined for each other. Is there any reason why
>: Akane and Ranma should care for each other besides the fact that they
>: care for each other? No.
>They care for each other, they like each other (made perfectly clear in
>the later episodes), and they're destined for each other (how many people
>of their age do live together and are arranged to be married?). I don't
>think, therefore, there's any reason that they should NOT be together in
>the end.
See what I mean? So what if there's no reason for them to like each
other? Who cares?
>: OTOH, there are plenty of reasons why they shouldn't care about each other.
>There are plenty of reasons why nobody should care about anyone else.
>They DO care for each other, that's all that matters.
Maybe for you. However, there are plenty of stories which actually give
you a reason to care about the main couple. I like Ranma 1/2 because it
is funny, but I'm willing to admit that the actual story and main characters
are extremely poor.
If I want a sweet romantic comedy with a plot, I'll watch Yawara or Marmalade
Boy. If I want a really wacky comedy with better character designs and
more likeable characters than Urusei Yatsura, then I'll watch Ranma.
>: Now, let's take a look at Ranma 1/2. One need only glance at the situation
>: to realize that loose ends are inevitable. Upon closer examination, it
>Not nearly neccessary.
Oh yeah? What about Kodachi, Tatewaki, Gosunkugi, Tsubasa, Happosai,
Picolette, and all the other one-shots?
>Takahashi does show a sense of Ukyoo and Ryoga
>being together in the episode of the "Cursed Couple Seperation Hole"
>(however it was orignally called...part 9 of Chinese translated manga
>volume 27...I only wish I can read th eoriginal version..)... and also in
>the episode where everyone fights for a trip to China in couples.. in
>which Ukyoo and Ryoga was coupled up and won the race in the end..
Ancient history. Ryooga's getting hitched with someone else.
>: seems that Ryooga won't be a loose end--but it's with some other girl.
>: As for Ukyoo, she's not even a main character, and she's also the most
>Why isn't Ukyoo a main character?? I think she is just as important as
>Shampoo or Akane, if you consider them being the main female characters.
She doesn't appear very much, not even as much as Gosunkugi.
>: independent of all characters with the possible exception of Tofu. She's
>: obviously not one of the more popular characters (take a look at who appears
>: in Ranma 1/2 merchandise). Loose end? Most likely.
>A main character doesn't have to be a popular one, IMHO..
Takahashi does what's popular, though. If she had stuck to her original
plan, Ataru would have ended up with Shinobu and Lum would have been a
minor character.
>: >If he does do that IN THE END, though, I wouldn't think it's an
>: >"entertaining twist".
>: I, for one, would be _very_ entertained. It would certainly boost my
>: respect for Takahashi.
>Hehe...I guess everyone's different..let's see how Takahashi will plot it..
Really, there won't be any surprises.
Howard Chan
s...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Song Ouk Bang) wrote:
> I also do have a feeling that Ryouga and Ukyou will be together at the
> end...
Well, I had that feeling also *before* I read vol. 30. But after reading #30,
I have a strong impression that Ryouga and Akari will be together at the end.
They are meant for each other -- Akari loves pigs, and Ryouga can be a pig ...
^_^ Also, Ukyou and Ryouga never show any interest to each other, but it is
clear that Akari is becoming more and more important for Ryouga. Just watch
his expression when Akari is around ...
[ yeah, yeah, Ryouga shows that expression *everytime* Ranma fool him, but
this time there's a real girl who actually LOVES him .. that may make a
different ^_^ ]
Also, it looks like that Akari will stay in the series, unlike Mariko or
Tsubasa, who only appear once and then vapourized ...
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Andy Chiu
: After just seeing "Nihao My Concubine: Bring Back the Brides", I can see
: how Ukyou and Ryouga might get matched up if Ranma 1/2 was ever ended.
Yeah... I sincerely believe Takahashi will match as many pairs up as she
can in the end of Ranma... and there really isn't any problem of matching
up Ukyou and Ryoga..
: Apparently, from the above information, there is another episode to
: support this. I think Ranma is intened to be a happy-ending love story,
: so everybody would get paired up. Shampoo even warmed up to Mousse in
: this one.
Talking about Mousse...how do you like him? Dont' know why, but I don't
like Mousse as much as Ranma or Ryoga... but then I don't like Shampoo as
much as Akane or Ukyou either... so I guess that makes them a great
couple..:)
Andy
Andy Chiu
: Asuna. Kyooko. I'd actually be very interested how these misspellings
: came about.
I don't even know their name in Japanese, to be honest. I read
translated mangas and wathced subbed animes..all in Chinese. I got those
names sometimes from the msgs on the nets, and sometimes from the scripts
or whatever that I downloaded.... don't know how they're correctly
spelled.. just copy off the names..:)
I hope I spelled Ranma right...:)
: And it isn't necessary here. Besides, Ryooga's getting matched up with
: someone else, and Ukyoo isn't a main character.
There you go...Ryooga (great..now I know the correct spelling..) IS being
matched up with someone else..hence Takahashi is probably not going to
leave a loose end for Ranma agree? Before then, though, when there's
nobody else, I don't see any problem of matching up Ryooga and Ukyoo..
: See what I mean? So what if there's no reason for them to like each
: other? Who cares?
Fact is they DO like each other. Why SHOULD there be a reason? There
are plenty of loving couples who have absolutely no reason to be together
even in the real world!
Beside, if you really want, you CAN find reasons for them to like each
other. They both like martial art, at very very least.
: Maybe for you. However, there are plenty of stories which actually give
: you a reason to care about the main couple. I like Ranma 1/2 because it
: is funny, but I'm willing to admit that the actual story and main characters
: are extremely poor.
No I don't think Ranma has the most touching stories with very well
developed characters either, in comparison to many other animes.
However, I don't think it is all that poor either. Back to our original
topic, I think Takahashi makes it very clear that Ranma likes Akane and
vice versa (and that there are plenty of reasons) through out the
developments of the stories..which evidents the fact that the stories are
not that poor, IMHO..
Oh and I also admit I like Ranma largely because of the fact that it's
one of the most hilarious animes that I've ever seen..
: Oh yeah? What about Kodachi, Tatewaki, Gosunkugi, Tsubasa, Happosai,
: Picolette, and all the other one-shots?
I would not consider it to be a "loose end" if Takahashi doesn't match
these people up. Some of them won't even be remembered by many
audiences.
When Ryooga (sp?) is left out, however, it qualifies as a loose end.
: She doesn't appear very much, not even as much as Gosunkugi.
Ukyoo??! She appears almost as frequently as Shampoo!! I think she is a
very important character! Oh well, no point arguing about this...it's a
pure opinion question, I think..
: Takahashi does what's popular, though. If she had stuck to her original
: plan, Ataru would have ended up with Shinobu and Lum would have been a
: minor character.
I'd actually like that to happen..oh well..anyway...:)
: >Hehe...I guess everyone's different..let's see how Takahashi will plot it..
: Really, there won't be any surprises.
Which, for me, is a good ending..:)
Andy
Barry Hales
>Talking about Mousse...how do you like him? Dont' know why, but I don't
>like Mousse as much as Ranma or Ryoga... but then I don't like Shampoo as
>much as Akane or Ukyou either... so I guess that makes them a great
>couple..:)
Mousse is okay, although where he hides all those chains with weapons under a
short-sleeved shirt (as in Nihao) is beyond me; it's kind of like watching the
Highlander tv series... :-) I think his intentions are decent and he needs
someone to take care of him, and I think Shampoo is depicted as the caregiver
type. Otherwise, I can't think of another love interest for him.
I also see Nibiki and Kuno together as well. She's always using him, and he's
always stepping in when needed. In Nihao they hint at who belongs with who by
having the male characters "rescue" the female characters that they should be
paired with; that's the biggest hint of matchmaking to me.
Barry
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Isaac Ji Kuo
About spelling--there are a lot of different standards for romanizing
Japanese, so there's more than one correct spelling.
[about Ranma and Akane]
>: See what I mean? So what if there's no reason for them to like each
>: other? Who cares?
>Fact is they DO like each other. Why SHOULD there be a reason?
Because it makes for a better story, and makes the characters more
likeable.
>There
>are plenty of loving couples who have absolutely no reason to be together
>even in the real world!
Not at first, but there's this little thing called romance--you know, like
doing stuff together. Even UY had a more believable main couple.
>Beside, if you really want, you CAN find reasons for them to like each
>other. They both like martial art, at very very least.
Just about everyone else likes martial arts at least as much as Ranma
(who doesn't really enthusiatic about martial arts, despite his pride
at being the best).
In contrast, one of the things Ranma (and his father) get really
enthusiatic about is food. Actually, it's more like one of the central
themes of their lives. And who is it that force feeds sub-par cooking?
I don't see any reasons, except that Ranma's sense of pride would make
him stick to his father's promise even though he didn't consent to it
(however, this is rather directly contradicted in the first episode).
As for Akane, maybe she likes that her life is almost normal after
everyone else gave up on her (this is a really weak reason).
>topic, I think Takahashi makes it very clear that Ranma likes Akane and
>vice versa (and that there are plenty of reasons) through out the
>developments of the stories..which evidents the fact that the stories are
>not that poor, IMHO..
Well, the stories would be much better in that respect if they were
believable. However, believability is simply not Takahashi's strength.
I mean, who can even understand the ending of the okonomiyaki sauce
story, much less believe it? Fortunately, unbelievability conversely
helps the comedy.
>Oh and I also admit I like Ranma largely because of the fact that it's
>one of the most hilarious animes that I've ever seen..
>: Oh yeah? What about Kodachi, Tatewaki, Gosunkugi, Tsubasa, Happosai,
>: Picolette, and all the other one-shots?
>I would not consider it to be a "loose end" if Takahashi doesn't match
>these people up. Some of them won't even be remembered by many
>When Ryooga (sp?) is left out, however, it qualifies as a loose end.
Well, I suppose it's a matter of opinion who would be considered a
loose end.
>: She doesn't appear very much, not even as much as Gosunkugi.
>Ukyoo??! She appears almost as frequently as Shampoo!! I think she is a
>very important character! Oh well, no point arguing about this...it's a
>pure opinion question, I think..
Eh? I read no manga, but I had thought that she was pretty much ignored
for the most part in the manga as well.
There are a number of anime-only stories with Gosunkugi in it, though. Hmm.
Kirati Laisathit
Isaac Ji Kuo <isaa...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>Andy Chiu <ch...@gold.interlog.com> wrote:
>Well, the stories would be much better in that respect if they were
>believable. However, believability is simply not Takahashi's strength.
>I mean, who can even understand the ending of the okonomiyaki sauce
>story, much less believe it? Fortunately, unbelievability conversely
>helps the comedy.
>
Believability! Are you kidding? The whole story bases almost exclusive on
the development of their relationship *despite* their disagreement. Yeah,
that's unbelievable, but that's not the point. After all, will you consider
jumping down safely from the fourth floor of a building believable, martial
artist or not? How about the fact that a man can turn into a woman, a panda,
a duck and a pig with a splash of cold water, is that believable? Hey, even
Star Trek is more believable than any anime you can think of.
Kirati
brendan odonnell
: In article <3ciehl$1...@steel.interlog.com>, ch...@gold.interlog.com says...
I don't know about Nabiki and Kuno, Nabiki is one of if not
the smartest characters in the series, and Kuno is a total idiot.
What's more Nabiki appears to enjoy outthinking everyone, thus it's
unlikely she will ever have any respect for Kuno. Basically Kuno is a
good dependable source of income and entertainment, but nothing more.
: Barry
: b...@cybernetics.net
Isaac Ji Kuo
>>Well, the stories would be much better in that respect if they were
>>believable. However, believability is simply not Takahashi's strength.
>>I mean, who can even understand the ending of the okonomiyaki sauce
>>story, much less believe it? Fortunately, unbelievability conversely
>>helps the comedy.
>Believability! Are you kidding? The whole story bases almost exclusive on
>the development of their relationship *despite* their disagreement. Yeah,
I can't agree. Ranma 1/2 does not revolve around Akane and Ranma, it
revolves around Ranma. As for the "development" of their
relationship--there isn't any. There's even less character development
in Ranma 1/2 than in KOR. Fortunately, this is made up for in
sheer number of character introductions.
>that's unbelievable, but that's not the point. After all, will you consider
>jumping down safely from the fourth floor of a building believable, martial
>artist or not? How about the fact that a man can turn into a woman, a panda,
>a duck and a pig with a splash of cold water, is that believable? Hey, even
>Star Trek is more believable than any anime you can think of.
Unbelievable acts do not hurt a good story, but a good story depends upon
some semblance of believability if one is to actually care about the
characters.
There are plenty of manga/anime which have totally unbelievable acts, but
which also have believable characters.
Kirati Laisathit
>
>I can't agree. Ranma 1/2 does not revolve around Akane and Ranma, it
>revolves around Ranma. As for the "development" of their
>relationship--there isn't any. There's even less character development
>in Ranma 1/2 than in KOR. Fortunately, this is made up for in
>sheer number of character introductions.
>
How about the early few episodes about Akane getting over Dr.Tofu. How about
the fact that Ranma couldn't care less about Akane when the story began.
I admit that eventually the story ended up revolving around Ranma. After all,
the name of the story is "Ranma 1/2" isn't it? In a way, Ranma 1/2 became an
animated sit-com, after a few character development episodes early on.
>
>Unbelievable acts do not hurt a good story, but a good story depends upon
>some semblance of believability if one is to actually care about the
>characters.
>
>There are plenty of manga/anime which have totally unbelievable acts, but
>which also have believable characters.
>--
I just happen to believe that a lot of funny things in Ranma is about the
outrageously unbelievability that Takahashe managed to come up with.
Kirati
David Bennett
I myself have not seen the end of any of Takahashi's works (well series
anyways) and was wondering. With shows like Urusei Yatsura and Maision ikkoku
do they tend to have happy endings? I feel that this would be a good sign
as to what will happen with Ranma.
dave
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Andy Chiu
: Well, I saw some people stating that allot of couples will be matched up.
: I myself have not seen the end of any of Takahashi's works (well series
: anyways) and was wondering. With shows like Urusei Yatsura and Maision ikkoku
: do they tend to have happy endings? I feel that this would be a good sign
: as to what will happen with Ranma.
I don't know what you consider as a "happy ending", but I find both MI
And UY's endings satisfying.. and I think MI has a pretty good ending
with everyone "properly" matched up..whatever that means..:)
Takahashi goes with what the majority likes, I guess..
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Andy Chiu
: About spelling--there are a lot of different standards for romanizing
: Japanese, so there's more than one correct spelling.
I see..kind of like romanizing Chinese..
: >Fact is they DO like each other. Why SHOULD there be a reason?
: Because it makes for a better story, and makes the characters more
: likeable.
Is a couple only likeable when there are reasons for them to be
together? Are characters only likeable when they all make perfect sense
(which, btw, does not exist in the real world)? Is a story good only
when everything's explainable and reasonable? Hmm..
: Not at first, but there's this little thing called romance--you know, like
: doing stuff together. Even UY had a more believable main couple.
Exactly..romance need no reason.. IMHO
: In contrast, one of the things Ranma (and his father) get really
: enthusiatic about is food. Actually, it's more like one of the central
: themes of their lives. And who is it that force feeds sub-par cooking?
That I have to admit, but it yet again fullfils Ranma's desire for pride.
: I don't see any reasons, except that Ranma's sense of pride would make
: him stick to his father's promise even though he didn't consent to it
: (however, this is rather directly contradicted in the first episode).
: As for Akane, maybe she likes that her life is almost normal after
: everyone else gave up on her (this is a really weak reason).
They both live under the same roof; they are both of similar ages; they
both belong to a martial art family; Ranma needs pride, and Akane gives
allows him to fullfil his pride; they are both nice and good-hearted
(argh.. such an old fashioned word..:) ) characters (although, of
course, almost everyone in the story are nice..at least nobody is "bad
and evil"..).. blah blah blah..
: Well, the stories would be much better in that respect if they were
: believable. However, believability is simply not Takahashi's strength.
Why does a story have to be believable? Have you ever seen anyone who
transforms to a female when poured with cold water and changes back with
hot water? Have you ever seen anybody calling "Moon Prism Power, Make
Up" and transforms into Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon?? It's anime, after all!
: Eh? I read no manga, but I had thought that she was pretty much ignored
: for the most part in the manga as well.
She is not ignored in any measure I don't think.. there are quite a few
episodes where she is the central character..
P-Chan
> I don't know about Nabiki and Kuno, Nabiki is one of if not
> the smartest characters in the series, and Kuno is a total idiot.
> What's more Nabiki appears to enjoy outthinking everyone, thus it's
> unlikely she will ever have any respect for Kuno. Basically Kuno is a
> good dependable source of income and entertainment, but nothing more.
While I agree with you there (sorry, had to but in, I'm a BIG Nabiki fan), I
think that she puts him in the same regard as Andy did Barney Fife. Yeah,
he's stupid, moronic, slow (I know, the words mean about the same thing, but
I have t make a point), and just plain incompetent, she likes him anyway. I
dunno why, but it's like that....
P-Chan
Ender Wiggin
Andy Chiu <ch...@gold.interlog.com> wrote:
>David Bennett (sun...@io.org) wrote:
>: Well, I saw some people stating that allot of couples will be matched up.
>: I myself have not seen the end of any of Takahashi's works (well series
>: anyways) and was wondering. With shows like Urusei Yatsura and Maision ikkoku
>: do they tend to have happy endings? I feel that this would be a good sign
>: as to what will happen with Ranma.
>
>
>I don't know what you consider as a "happy ending", but I find both MI
>And UY's endings satisfying.. and I think MI has a pretty good ending
>with everyone "properly" matched up..whatever that means..:)
Ummm, I haven't really followed UY, but did UY have an ending?
The 10th anniversary movie sure wasn't much of an ending. Nothing was
resolved. At least in MI, most things were resolved.
Anthony "Are..." "Are..." Ender
Lau "ARE..." Wiggin
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: Ummm, I haven't really followed UY, but did UY have an ending?
: The 10th anniversary movie sure wasn't much of an ending. Nothing was
: resolved. At least in MI, most things were resolved.
Well, that movie (#6) was more or less supposed to be not a true 'ending
story' but is somewhat condsidered to be a story that took place in the
middle of earlier continuity. Movie #5 is really the 'end-all' of the
movies. Yep, agree they could've done a bit better with movie#6. It
seems to me that it actually detracted from the story too much. I
personally would have liked to see a story more inline with being an
'aftermath' of the series + movies instead of just being not much more
than a 'filler' story.
As far as actual endings, no one ever got firmly 'married off' in the
story..but I believe the relationships between characters (esp Lum+Ataru)
are made more definitive. (Trying to go by memory of various episode
synopsis+reviews...personally have only seen what's been Animeigo'ed)
-Wes
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