Another Stupid Poll: Over-rated/Under-rated
Robert DeLoura
my opinion of Madoka :-) ) I've decided to run another poll, as if there
weren't enough other ones running already.
I'd like to determine what characters (and shows) the net thinks are the most
"over-rated" and "under-rated".
Over-rated: Very popular, but you just *don't* see what it is that everyone
else finds so great about them.
Under-rated: Nobody ever seems to talk about them, but you think they're great
anyway.
Send me no more than (but preferably) three of each:
Most Over-rated Character
Most Under-rated Character
Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
Most Under-rated Anime
I imagine the 'Under-rated' category won't reach much of a consensus, but it
will give people an idea what shows are worth taking another look at.
The 'Over-rated' categories should just be amusing. I know who *I'm* voting
for as Most Over-rated female saxopho...er, Character. :-)
Send your votes to: del...@noaapmel.gov
Or just reply to this posting.
Voting ends whenever I like the results, so vote early and often. ;-)
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Sea Wasp
In article <DELOURA.93...@felix.noaapmel.gov> del...@noaapmel.gov (Robert DeLoura) writes:
>Send me no more than (but preferably) three of each:
> Most Over-rated Character
2) Makoda. NOTHING is worth the mindless babbling I hear about
her and KOR. Even TREKKIES are less fanatic.
3) Priss.
> Most Under-rated Character
This area is hard estimate, because a LOT of the reason one
doesn't hear about some shows is that the discussion went by a while
ago, when the show/OAV/Movie was popular. That is, the character
may not be underrated, just old.
Nonetheless...
1) Seiya (Saint Seiya). For some reason, he's the least popular
of the Saints, even though he's the "star". Poor guy. At least many of
the female fans I know think he's cute.
2) Nasti Yaigu (YST). Personally I find her extremely attractive
(for a celluloid female, anyway). She has brains and strategy as well
as good looks on her side, but she's usually ignored because the guys
with the big attacks and fancy armor steal the show. However, without
Nasti the Samurai Troopers would have been SOL several times.
3) Crusher Joe and company. Completely overshadowed by their
spinoff associates, the Dirty-- er, LOVELY ANGELS, the Crushers are
still one of the best SF anime ever made.
> Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
1) Urusei Yatsura
and
2) Ranma 1/2. Rumiko Takahashi has a nice sense of
humor. Too bad she only seems to have one joke. One UY movie showed
me everything I needed to ever see. I've read the comics. Nothing
ever changes. And R1/2 is just another Takahashi sitcom. I hate
sitcoms on TV here, it's comforting to know that the Japanese have
just as much mindless fluff as we do dominating their airwaves.
3) KOR. Okay, it's a hell of a lot better and more intricate
than UY. But once again, NOTHING can be THAT good.
> Most Under-rated Anime
1) Saint Seiya
and
2) Yoroiden Samurai Troopers (YST)
These are often dismissed as "bishonen [pretty boys] in armor"
with little or no thought. I happen to disagree strongly -- and please
note that I HAD that attitude when I started to watch them (because I
was under duress -- that was what the people I was with were watching)
In actuality, there is a great deal more to both shows. Saint
Seiya combines some original elements with ancient Greek Myth to create
the genre of "God-Warrior" shows (a genre which includes SS, YST, Shurato,
and even the sillier ones like Sailor Moon). This genre combines elements
of mythic quests with the superhero genre. Saint Seiya happens to do
this particularly well. The characters are well developed in the first
season, though less so in later seasons. DO NOT JUDGE this series on
the basis of the Seiya movies; without exception, all the movies are
inferior to even the WORST of the regular seasons. The first season
is the best.
Yoroiden Samurai Troopers began as what was supposed to be a
one-shot project for an animation school; when its popularity became
obvious, the studio desperately invented a way out for the main
characters and redid the last three episodes of the first season
in about one week before they were to be shown... then spent the
next season dealing with the implications of the loophole they
made.
Nonetheless, YST, despite uneven artwork as you'd expect
from a project involving both professionals and students, has some
amazing elements in it. It uses elements from Japanese history and
from traditional mythology and combines them into a fascinating
story involving a demon trying to take over our world, converting it
into his own private hell, and the five special warriors who must
stop him.
Both shows have their flaws -- mostly flaws which the
other show covers. For example, Seiya tends to have more variety
and more "known mechanics" to their special powers, while YST
basically tells us nothing about the powers which the characters
use; on the other hand, the action sequences of Seiya are often
without detail, while YST often shows some quite amazing martial
arts/combat sequences.
3) Patalliro!
I can't watch TOO much of this show at once, but to be
honest it's just too bizarre to forget about. There is no category
you can put it in, unless you take my capsule, joking description:
James Bond in Hell. He did too many nasty things to get
his place Upstairs... but he was too good to deserve a really HOT
seat Downstairs.
So... James Bond, womanizer, finds his "mate" will be a
male. But to be nice, the male LOOKS so female that even the
fans wonder... Bond ("Bonn") is also now given the duty of
bodyguarding Patalliro, a child who is king of a small, very wealthy
country and who seems to have the powers of a Toon. Bonn still
has to do regular spy stuff too, making for the most utterly
STRANGE show I have ever seen.
(Note: the James Bond in hell bit is my own invention. I
think it explains the show well. However, it's obvious that Bonn
is intended to be a Bond clone/parody/tribute. He even gets Bond's
theme in one show. Mariarch, his boyfriend, really is RIDICULOUSLY
feminine. I mean, to be honest, Mariarch makes anime ladies like
Lum, Makoda, and even Kei, Yuri, and my quiet favorite Nasti
look like complete dogs. And Patalliro... I don't know what he is,
but imagine crossing Bugs Bunny with the kid from Home Alone, and
make him the most spoiled brat you'd ever seen...)
Sea Wasp
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Lyrical Terrorist Chuck D
I really have no idea.. Misty Mei?
>Most Under-rated Character
(I must balance this out as much as I can..)
Madoka Ayukawa
> Most Over-rated Anime
(I will be shot for this)
Totoro
> Most Under-rated Anime
Touch!
(Gotta counter all those Heretics...)
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>my opinion of Madoka :-) ) I've decided to run another poll, as if there
>weren't enough other ones running already.
>I'd like to determine what characters (and shows) the net thinks are the most
>"over-rated" and "under-rated".
> Most Under-rated Character
Forget KOR, bring on the REAL love triangle:
KOU URAKI - NINA PURPLETON - ANNABEL GATO !!!
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Sea Wasp
>>Most Under-rated Character
> (I must balance this out as much as I can..)
> Madoka Ayukawa
I hereby move, officially, that Chuck D's vote be struck from the
record since it is obviously, and admittedly, not an HONEST vote, but
a vote simply placed there to mess up the statistics.
Other, similar votes should be examined for similar motives.
"Makoda" and "Underrated" are virtually opposite in meaning.
DEATH to KOR FANATICS!
Sea Wasp
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Lyrical Terrorist Chuck D
>In article <dougchaC...@netcom.com> dou...@netcom.com (Lyrical Terrorist Chuck D) writes:
>>>Most Under-rated Character
>> (I must balance this out as much as I can..)
>> Madoka Ayukawa
>
> I hereby move, officially, that Chuck D's vote be struck from the
>record since it is obviously, and admittedly, not an HONEST vote, but
>a vote simply placed there to mess up the statistics.
>
> Other, similar votes should be examined for similar motives.
Quote from Ben Franklin: (not)
"All I have is my one vote. Take that from me,
and I'll shoot you."
Actually, I do feel that people like *YOU* don't give Madoka
the credit she deserves. So my vote is valid. There are lots
of people like you (Chun Li) who dis her all the time.
> DEATH to KOR FANATICS!
Hey hey... let's not get personal now.
Andy Combs
>>>Most Under-rated Character
>> (I must balance this out as much as I can..)
>> Madoka Ayukawa
>
> I hereby move, officially, that Chuck D's vote be struck from the
>record since it is obviously, and admittedly, not an HONEST vote, but
>a vote simply placed there to mess up the statistics.
Now, now, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Just because I voted
for a particular someone in the last election because I felt I needed
to "balance out" the opposing political view doesn't mean my vote shouldn't
count. I'm a "Madoka-worshipper", although even I'll admit she gets
a lot of chat for a character in a series that stop about 5 years ago.
That won't stop me from voting for her on polls though...:-)
> Other, similar votes should be examined for similar motives.
This type of thinking borders on "Orwell'ism". How on earth are you
going to tell which votes there are, except in this case where the
voter made his intentions obvious?
> "Makoda" and "Underrated" are virtually opposite in meaning.
>
> DEATH to KOR FANATICS!
As I said before, you are entitled to your opinions. Be prepared to
take the heat when other people start to express their's...:-)
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> Forget KOR, bring on the REAL love triangle:
>
> KOU URAKI - NINA PURPLETON - ANNABEL GATO !!!
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# In light of the recent flood of Madoka-worshippers on r.a.a (and considering
# my opinion of Madoka :-) ) I've decided to run another poll, as if there
# weren't enough other ones running already.
rec.arts.anime.polls
# I'd like to determine what characters (and shows) the net thinks are the most
# "over-rated" and "under-rated".
#
# Over-rated: Very popular, but you just *don't* see what it is that everyone
# else finds so great about them.
#
# Under-rated: Nobody ever seems to talk about them, but you think they're great
# anyway.
#
# Send me no more than (but preferably) three of each:
#
# Most Over-rated Character
Nausicaa
Nadia
Lupin
# Most Under-rated Character
Uesugi Tatsuya (Touch)
Asakura Minami (Touch)
Kawai Iyona (Magical Taruruuto-kun)
# Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
Dirty Pair
anything by Miyazaki :-)
# Most Under-rated Anime
Touch
Hime-chan no Ribbon
Creamy Mami
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>Send me no more than (but preferably) three of each:
>
> Most Over-rated Character
The Dirty Pair - I have no idea what their appeal is, well I do but
I just don't share it.
Let's see, Ryo Sceaba, the City Hunter
- boring guy, boring show
> Most Under-rated Character
Manami-chan from KOR
I think this is a very interesting and nice character,
but we dont'really get to see much more of her.
I find her dedication to her family very impressive and
her overall demeanor admirable.
She might even beat Madoka as my favorite KOR character.
Oh, she's cute too.
Dr. Tofu and Kasumi
What can I say? Lately all they have been were scene extras.
Mikata's wife - I forgot her name (really under-rated :-)
She's really funny with her dogs and shyness.
She always leaves me howling with laughter as she puts Mikata in
those difficult situations.
> Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
Salior Moon - This is the one that I'm really going to be flamed for,
but I really can't see the appeal at all,
I mean watching a show full of short-skirt school girls
who don't even look that cute...
It's #1 on people's lists?! Sigh...
Gundam - anything connected to it, i am sick to death of this series
Lodoss Wars - YAWN! Major disappointment
Dragon Ball Anything - Useless boring fight scenes
Nadia: Never understood why anyone thought it was so great.
Akira: Animation was okay, but story... Thumbs down!
Black Magic M-66: When this first came out, everyone was raving about how
great it was, I saw it, wasn't impressed at all.
> Most Under-rated Anime
ARIEL - great funny series, and the manga is even funnier!
Saint Seiya - No, Samurai Troopers and Shurato don't fall into this genre.
I watched these and was bored to tears. But St. Seiya has a very
decent plotline, nice fight scenes and likeable characters.
The whole idea was very nicely thought out.
First I thought it was all stupid but then I saw more of the TV
series and the story just flowed so well, I was hooked.
I'm not saying there's no problems but it is very enjoyable.
The first part of the series was indeed boring but it got better
later. And for the record, I loved movie #1 and #3 !
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Sherman Chan
Over-rated:
KOR - A decent show, I enjoyed quite a few of the funnier
episodes, but not quite worthy of the rants and raves it generates.
Perhaps someone who knows how should generate a control message
for alt.anime.female.worship? (I think I saw this in someone's sig)
Nausicaa - Not that I don't think this isn't great, but the
sacred cow status fans have endowed this film with is a little strange.
Silent Moebius - Again not a bad film, good animation, but no
way is this classic. It's waaay too short, and the last battle was
boring.
Under rated:
Hmm, hard to say, a lot of the lesser known stuff I've seen
really did blow, and I can't even remember the name of half of them.
I'll go with:
Crusher Joe Movie - Long, but it didn't drag, and it felt like
old time sci-fi pulp fiction. Way cool if you're into that kind of
writing.
Dunno if the TV show was any good though.
Evil Dragon War Chronicles - Boy meets girl. Bad guy finds out
about girl. Fights boy for girl. Magic, martial arts. monks on
motorcycles, nobody wins, but Tokyo doesn't blow up for once.
Galaxy Express 999 - This one's fairly hard to find, but I had
the good fortune of catching quite a few of these when channel 25
in NYC here was broadcasting them a while back (Has anyone taped
any of these? My reception was waay to lousy for me to fire up the
VCR). The quality wasn't too consistent, and if you can't stand
the weird character designs, you'll probably hate it, but there
were enough good eps out of the few I saw to encourage me to keep
scrounging around for more. There's plenty of stuff here that sounds
like it belongs in a Jules Verne book, like a steam engine in space,
mechanical life, and mad scientists that blow themselves and their
planets up when they get depressed.
-Sherm
Profess'nal Agitator
Gee, with the anti-Madoka/KOR group out in full force, I don't think
there's enough flame bait in this thread yet :-)
How 'bout Nene?
> Most Under-rated Character
More seriously: Vision, Manami, Linna
> Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
Nadia, Gundam, Dominion
> Most Under-rated Anime
Laputa (only relative to other Miyazaki films, of course)
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>In article <DELOURA.93...@felix.noaapmel.gov> del...@noaapmel.gov (Robert DeLoura) writes:
>> Most Over-rated Character
>
>Gee, with the anti-Madoka/KOR group out in full force, I don't think
>there's enough flame bait in this thread yet :-)
>
>How 'bout Nene?
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> In article <DELOURA.93...@felix.noaapmel.gov> del...@noaapmel.gov (Robert DeLoura) writes:
>
MADOKA!!!
> > Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
>
> Gundam - anything connected to it, i am sick to death of this series
Hmm. Some Gundam fans are as bad as some Madoka-worshippers, but the
series has got some merit if you're into the "Larger than Life" thing...
and 0080 is a VERY welcome change of pace from that.
> Black Magic M-66: When this first came out, everyone was raving about how
> great it was, I saw it, wasn't impressed at all.
The animation and plotting are bad, but the direction
in the action scenes is *excellent*.
For the most part, I agree on the rest...
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E. Kontei
>
> Over-rated:
>
> Nausicaa - Not that I don't think this isn't great, but the
> sacred cow status fans have endowed this film with is a little strange.
People in the Miyazaki mailing list will kill me for this one...
but I agree with you. Not his best film.
mikey
>Over-rated: Very popular, but you just *don't* see what it is that everyone
> else finds so great about them.
Characters:
Madoka--Sorry, but I just don't see why she causes such a splash...
[A-C]-Ko--Cute movie, but it just didn't inspire me...
Anime:
KOR--I enjoyed Animeigo's OAV's, but I still can't see why the HUGE
attraction to this one...
(no flames intended to the KOR fanatics, I honestly don't get into this
one that much...:/)
>Under-rated: Nobody ever seems to talk about them, but you think they're great
> anyway.
Characters:
Catty(GallForce)--Don't ask me why, but she is the one primarily
responsible for my getting into anime in the first place. Actually,
I don't quite understand it myself.
Nene--I'm not a rabid Nene fan, but BGC 8 just wasn't enough. I really
like her since she seems to be the most real-to-life character of the
bunch. (Not to mention the ichiban kawaii bijin :)
Anime:
Mysterious Cities of Gold--Don't know if it qualifies as anime in
everyone's book, but this show is the other half of my initial interest
in anime. I am glad to see it getting some time on the net.
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Jeff Yang
>> Most Over-rated Character
> 1) Lum. Okay, so she's cute. What's the big deal?
> 2) Makoda. NOTHING is worth the mindless babbling I hear about
>her and KOR. Even TREKKIES are less fanatic.
> 3) Priss.
I agree with all of these, to some extent, although i'd put "Makoda" (and
I'm sure you meant "Madoka" here) above Lum. Lum at least has signatory
icon status, while Madoka has never seemed like much more than another
typical anime femme--cute, a spitfire, but no goddess...
I'll add Kasumi Tendo up HERE at number 4. I know that there was the
Mother of All Flamewars on this group a while back, when a certain
character calling him/herself Panda was defending K.T. to the hilt; I know
other people get fannish-crazy about her too, and I just think she's a
too-typically played domestic sweetie: everybody's all-Japanese feminine
idol. I'd give twenty Kasumi's for one Nabiki (come to think of it, so
would Nabiki :-) )--although I wouldn't trust the latter as far as I could
throw her. Um, if any of these people actually EXISTED, of course.
Oh, yeah, throw Kyoko on the flames here too. Basically a fleshed-out
Kasumi Tendo. Or, since the latter was a later invention, Kasumi is just a
wraithlike projection of Kyoko. Both are tired femmy-femme stereotypes.
>> Most Under-rated Character
> This area is hard estimate, because a LOT of the reason one
>doesn't hear about some shows is that the discussion went by a while
>ago, when the show/OAV/Movie was popular. That is, the character
>may not be underrated, just old.
> 3) Crusher Joe and company. Completely overshadowed by their
>spinoff associates, the Dirty-- er, LOVELY ANGELS, the Crushers are
>still one of the best SF anime ever made.
Agreed. Dirty Pair are cuter and played more broadly slapstick, but the CJ
flicks are more complex and more fun to watch, IMHO.
>> Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
> 1) Urusei Yatsura
> and
> 2) Ranma 1/2. Rumiko Takahashi has a nice sense of
>humor. Too bad she only seems to have one joke. One UY movie showed
>me everything I needed to ever see. I've read the comics. Nothing
>ever changes. And R1/2 is just another Takahashi sitcom. I hate
>sitcoms on TV here, it's comforting to know that the Japanese have
>just as much mindless fluff as we do dominating their airwaves.
You're, IMHO, nuts. Sorry. ONE joke? Have you actually seen the
Takahashi-created versions of these, or are you going by the later,
non-Takahashi OAVs, films, or, in the case of R1/2, Nettouhen?
The UY TV series are as multidimensional and complex as, let's say, The
Simpsons, if not more so; culture, art, stereotype, gender, and politics
all suffer wildly from Takahashi's stinging wit in UY; and if R1/2 is less
"satirical" and more "sitcom" than UY, Takahashi is still better at
slapstick than any other anime or manga plotter/artist out there. And even
if it's not as densely parodic as UY, R1/2 is hardly "mindless."
> 3) KOR. Okay, it's a hell of a lot better and more intricate
>than UY. But once again, NOTHING can be THAT good.
No. And yes. UY, I repeat, is not much short of brilliance. KOR is sweet
and funny at times, but basically a soap opera. A very nice soap opera.
Throw my own bete noir on the flames: Vampire Princess Miyu. It's okay,
but it simply ISN'T THAT GOOD. It's okay. Just okay.
>> Most Under-rated Anime
I have yet to find a single anime that is justifiably underrated. Either
they stink, and people realize it because they're just sooooo bad, or
they have an overweeningly obsessive claque of admirers...no matter how bad or
good they are. What I'm basically saying is that just about every anime
has its fancult, except for the ones that are utterly without value.
So I don't have a nomination here.
Jeff
Sea Wasp
>In <86...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>> 2) Ranma 1/2. Rumiko Takahashi has a nice sense of
>>humor. Too bad she only seems to have one joke. One UY movie showed
>You're, IMHO, nuts. Sorry. ONE joke? Have you actually seen the
>Takahashi-created versions of these, or are you going by the later,
>non-Takahashi OAVs, films, or, in the case of R1/2, Nettouhen?
I've seen only one UY film, the one with the rose bimbo, but
I've read a total of about 20 volumes of the manga (I feel she pretty
much said everything she was going to by volume 10...) Ranma, I read
one volume of the manga and that pretty much did it for me.
>The UY TV series are as multidimensional and complex as, let's say, The
>Simpsons,
Bad example if that was supposed to make me impressed. I LOATHE
the Simpsons, always have. I consider them a prime example of a
fad with no reason except one character that the mindless masses chose
as a sort of hero -- a character whose major strength is being a
jerk.
Sea Wasp
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E. Kontei
> In <86...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>
> I'd give twenty Kasumi's for one Nabiki (come to think of it, so
> would Nabiki :-) )--
Ah, so I'm not alone in liking Nabiki! Say, maybe we should start a
Nabiki Tendou fan club? [ducks various objects thrown at him] Jodan, jodan!!
> although I wouldn't trust the latter as far as I could
> throw her.
Ditto... ^_^
> Oh, yeah, throw Kyoko on the flames here too. Basically a fleshed-out
> Kasumi Tendo. Or, since the latter was a later invention, Kasumi is just a
> wraithlike projection of Kyoko. Both are tired femmy-femme stereotypes.
I'll agree about Kasumi being a less-developed version of Kyoko. But
both characters have their strengths, and dismissing them as stereotypes
really doesn't make them justice.
> >> Most Under-rated Anime
> I have yet to find a single anime that is justifiably underrated.
Oh, there are QUITE a number of "cult" anime, shows with cult status
even within the cult-ish anime community. I'd put in there some brilliant
films which are too "weird" to have mainstream appeal. Stuff like
ANGEL'S EGG or NIGHT ON THE GALACTIC RAILROAD.
Lyrical Terrorist Chuck D
>In article <C5GHM...@panix.com>, jy...@panix.com (Jeff Yang) writes:
>> In <86...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>
>> I'd give twenty Kasumi's for one Nabiki (come to think of it, so
>> would Nabiki :-) )--
>
>Ah, so I'm not alone in liking Nabiki! Say, maybe we should start a
Nah Conty, you're not alone there. My friend likes Nabiki the
best out of the gang, and I like Nabiki alot too. Right after Kasumi for
me.. she takes getting used to, but *damn* after that 2nd Movie.. haha..
>Nabiki Tendou fan club? [ducks various objects thrown at him] Jodan, jodan!!
No, the High-Church of Nabiki Tendou..
>I'll agree about Kasumi being a less-developed version of Kyoko. But
>both characters have their strengths, and dismissing them as stereotypes
>really doesn't make them justice.
And don't forget that Kasumi is much stupider. Now if only
that "Kasumi's pet" idiot were here...
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Does anyone know when AnimEigo will start shipping the first KOR LD?
Or for that matter the Maddox-01/Riding Bean LD?
Are "Bubblegum Crash" and "AD Police" scheduled for LD release?
While I'm at it, my local distributor says that Astro Boy is coming out
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E. Kontei
> In article <1993Apr14....@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> co...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>
> No, the High-Church of Nabiki Tendou..
Oh, Goddess, not THAT again... I make one snide comment,
and a monster is born!! ^_^
> >I'll agree about Kasumi being a less-developed version of Kyoko. But
> >both characters have their strengths, and dismissing them as stereotypes
> >really doesn't make them justice.
>
> And don't forget that Kasumi is much stupider.
"Stupider"? Maybe? Either that, or she's willfully ignoring all the
weirdness around her. Reminds me of my dear old Mum...
Jeff Yang
>In article <C5GHM...@panix.com> jy...@panix.com (Jeff Yang) writes:
>>In <86...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>> 2) Ranma 1/2. Rumiko Takahashi has a nice sense of
>>>humor. Too bad she only seems to have one joke. One UY movie showed
>>You're, IMHO, nuts. Sorry. ONE joke? Have you actually seen the
>>Takahashi-created versions of these, or are you going by the later,
>>non-Takahashi OAVs, films, or, in the case of R1/2, Nettouhen?
> I've seen only one UY film, the one with the rose bimbo, but
>I've read a total of about 20 volumes of the manga (I feel she pretty
>much said everything she was going to by volume 10...) Ranma, I read
>one volume of the manga and that pretty much did it for me.
The UY comment, that's as it may be: I haven't read 20 volumes of manga
myself. But i can't honestly imagine that you believe KOR to be more
sophisticated than UY...where's the cultural commentary? where's the depth
in KOR? It's a triangle story, 'sabout it. Sorry, HardKOR fans. That's de
HardTRUTH. And you can be a fan of it. And I am. But I don't read anything
into it beyond its bittersweetness and occasional whimsy, because there
ain't nothin' else there.
>>The UY TV series are as multidimensional and complex as, let's say, The
>>Simpsons,
> Bad example if that was supposed to make me impressed. I LOATHE
>the Simpsons, always have. I consider them a prime example of a
>fad with no reason except one character that the mindless masses chose
>as a sort of hero -- a character whose major strength is being a
>jerk.
I'm NOT going to make the easy slam here. :-)
Anyway, I don't particularly like Bart. The funny stuff about the
Simpsons, IMHO, is the knowing, canny stuff, the constant and sometimes
oppressive sense of irony. Or maybe you just don't pay any attention to
that stuff because the animation is poor, or something? Or what? Gee, I
can't see dismissing the Simpsons in as simple a way as you have. It maybe
IS dismissable, but not, I think, just as a fad.
Jeff
Jeff Yang
A Nabiki Tendou FanClub would be a great idea; i just don't think any of
us could AFFORD to join...
But ah! think of the merchandising opportunities.
(Now, this gets into that weird aspect of fannish behavior that I've tried
desperately to avoid, but...Does anyone other than myself think that
Nabiki is by far the cutest of the Tendou sisters? She's got a lanky,
sassy appeal that the others simply don't have. Kasumi is nothing special,
Akane is a cute tomboy, but Nabiki...maybe it's just tax season getting to
me.)
:-)
Jeff
I am an android..
Jumping into the fray...
]Over-rated: Very popular, but you just *don't* see what it is that everyone
] else finds so great about them.
]
]Under-rated: Nobody ever seems to talk about them, but you think they're great
] anyway.
]
]Send me no more than (but preferably) three of each:
]
] Most Over-rated Character
Madoka, Priss
] Most Under-rated Character
Nene, Mughi (sort of like Chewbacca: no good lines)
] Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
Sailor Moon (just don't see what's so great about it)
] Most Under-rated Anime
I found Arion to be amusing. But then, I'm taking a Classical Civilization
course this semester and it's fun to compare the material. ("Poseidon looks
positively..... Viking.")
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In a previous article, co...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) says:
>In article <1qf0mh$4...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sherman Chan) writes:
>>
>> Over-rated:
>>
>> Nausicaa - Not that I don't think this isn't great, but the
>> sacred cow status fans have endowed this film with is a little strange.
>
>People in the Miyazaki mailing list will kill me for this one...
>but I agree with you. Not his best film.
>
I'm on the list too, but I figure they'd more just look aghast
and tell us how they'll pray for our souls. :)
Actually I was semi-prepared to burn for putting KOR on that list
but it seems like ORoadies have calmed down quite a bit since.
Strangely it's the Megumi-sama church or something that sounds like
it's going to stir up more trouble than the roadies, I'm kind of
expecting them to lock themselves up in a bunker like some people
down in Texas.... ;)
Ah, my second post for this quarter already, better stop or I might
show up on the bottom of the stats post.
-Sherm
Sea Wasp
>In <87...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>> Bad example if that was supposed to make me impressed. I LOATHE
>>the Simpsons, always have. I consider them a prime example of a
>>fad with no reason except one character that the mindless masses chose
>>as a sort of hero -- a character whose major strength is being a
>>jerk.
>I'm NOT going to make the easy slam here. :-)
Ahh, but the difference is that being a jerk is NOT my MAJOR
strength. Heck, it takes no effort at all!
>oppressive sense of irony. Or maybe you just don't pay any attention to
>that stuff because the animation is poor, or something? Or what? Gee, I
>can't see dismissing the Simpsons in as simple a way as you have. It maybe
>IS dismissable, but not, I think, just as a fad.
I hope you're not referring to the clumsy and overdone 'social
commentary' that The Simpsons attempts. It was all done before, and
better, by the 1970s. I admit, I can't stand the show, so I obviously
have not watched every episode in existence, but I saw nothing
particularly original in any of the episodes except that for the first
time the main characters in a cartoon were all at best idiots and
at worst complete losers with no redeeming features. That, however,
was only good for maybe two episodes, then it got stale...
Sea Wasp
Sea Wasp
>] Most Under-rated Anime
>I found Arion to be amusing. But then, I'm taking a Classical Civilization
>course this semester and it's fun to compare the material. ("Poseidon looks
>positively..... Viking.")
I loved Arion.
The interesting thing about Arion is that it showed the ability
of the Japanese to take ideas and adapt them into something that's entirely
new, yet derives a lot of flavor from the original.
Arion and Saint Seiya both show a fascination for the Greek myths.
Each one changes some aspects of the original mythos but maintains much
of the impact of the original.
The changes made in Arion are fairly drastic when it comes to the
line of descent of various gods, and also to their attitudes -- especially
Gaia, who was mostly a protective mother figure in the original myths,
but becomes a plotting little bitch in Arion.
Yet most of the changes make some kind of sense. The "Viking"
appearance of Poseidon doesn't bother me much, since it not only gets across
his personality, but also it could be easily explained that since all this
happened ages before recorded history, the Vikings partially derived
from the scattered descendants of the crew of Poseidon.
The only change that REALLY bothered me was Athena. She was supposed
to be the goddess of WISDOM and War, and should have been far smarter than
she was. I could see Aphrodite or even Artemis behaving in that fashion,
but not Athena.
In Saint Seiya, Kurumada took a different approach, bringing gods
and their powers into this century. The tactic of presenting the gods as
being incarnated into living human bodies... and thus influenced to an
extent by the knowledge, personality, and motives of the original person...
helps to explain many of the differences between myth and the presented
story.
"Saint" in Saint Seiya is used in its ancient sense, to denote
a champion or exemplar, not necessarily a Christian Saint. The Saints
are each given their own aspects from mythology, mostly Grecian though
some from other pantheons. Moreover, each of the five Bronze Boys are
given a specific kind of personality, a personality which is appropriate
for their backgrounds; a child-care professional said that the personalities
of four of the five are classic examples of four types of abused or neglected
children... which the Saints were.
In another God-Warrior anime, Yoroiden Samurai Troopers, a different
approach is made, this one concentrating on the native mythology of Japan.
There is a great deal of symbolism here. The five Troopers represent the
Confucian virtues, while the Ma-Sho are the Samurai virtues. The great
armor of Keikotai represents the Sun itself, and there are references to
the three holy objects of the Emperor: sword, jewel, and mirror. The
ancient mage, Kaos, who is the creator and sensei to the Troopers, is
a mystery at first; Pat Munson-Siter did a good deal of research and
discovered that there was a sect of Monks, wiped out two centuries ago,
whose characteristics were precisely those exhibited by Kaos; they were
called the Shugendo, and blended various kinds of mysticism and faith
together.
In that series I also find it interesting that despite his obvious
age, Kaos appears to still be young; AND that he and Arago both wielded
swords which are Western in design, not Eastern.
Sea Wasp
Jason Fubler Harvey
>I know this should be sent to AnimEigo, but there might be others who would
>be interested:
>
> Does anyone know when AnimEigo will start shipping the first KOR LD?
6/25/93
> Or for that matter the Maddox-01/Riding Bean LD?
7/25/93
> Are "Bubblegum Crash" and "AD Police" scheduled for LD release?
Nothing to that effect has been announced....
-Jei
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>
How about Nene.. (just then a dozen well armed screaming and raving Nene fans
wielding computer keyboards jumps on me screaming 'DIE YOU HERETIC!!')
>
>] Most Under-rated Character
>
>Nene, Mughi (sort of like Chewbacca: no good lines)
What do you expect from a CAT??!?!
>
>] Most Over-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
>
>Sailor Moon (just don't see what's so great about it)
Ok.. in this atleast we find agreement
Eiji
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Iain Sinclair
>> [...]
jy...@panix.com (Jeff Yang) writes:
>You're, IMHO, nuts. Sorry. ONE joke? Have you actually seen the
>Takahashi-created versions of these, or are you going by the later,
>non-Takahashi OAVs, films, or, in the case of R1/2, Nettouhen?
He's almost certainly read VIZ comics.
>I have yet to find a single anime that is justifiably underrated.
I can't believe people post this kind of statement and nobody
even notices.
Thousands of hours of anime are produced every year. A small fraction
of that is pushed by sub/dub/c*mic companies, and powerful/vocal otakus.
That is the stuff that becomes overrated. EVERYTHING else is
underrated.
But you've got your own problems if you worry about how people are
"rating" things. Don't people think for themselves any more?
Many of my favourite anime are never discussed here. That's sad,
but only for the people who'll never see them.
>What I'm basically saying is that just about every anime
>has its fancult, except for the ones that are utterly without value.
How do you determine what is "utterly without value"? Sounds
like a pretty dumb idea to me.
--
Iain Sinclair axo...@socs.uts.edu.au
even Eriko the Idol has value, though I'm not sure what it is yet.
Casey Carter
: Dragon Ball Anything - Useless boring fight scenes
You obviously weren't watching it subtitled. ^_^ If anything, I'd place DB
and DBZ in the most UNDER-rated Anime category (in the US, anyway) ... neat
story ... infantile humor ... and it goes on forever ... (yes that's a plus)
Beyond which, half of the jokes they use would make Jesse Helms blush into
the infrared. :)
Most Under-rated Anime (show, movie, OAV, series, whatever)
1) Dragonball, Dragonball Z
2) Urusei Yatsura (3 trillion devotees and it's _still_ under-rated!)
3) Locke the Superman
Most Over-rated Anime
1) SAILOR WOMB (where lies the enchantment with this series? I sure
don't know)
2) Urusei Yatsura OAV 1991 (-92? Whatever ... the ONLY U-Y I've _ever_
been disappointed by. It bit HARD.)
3) Urotsuki-Doji (sex and blood and sex and blood and sex and ... blood?)
Most Over/Under-rated Characters
Dunno, I'd have to actually _think_ about these ...
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>A Nabiki Tendou FanClub would be a great idea; i just don't think any of
>us could AFFORD to join...
But there's no joining fee! You just have to donate half the money you make
from running the local bookmakers business and selling pictures of your
sisters to whatever drooling hentai pays :-)
>But ah! think of the merchandising opportunities.
I can see it now, the $1,000.00 note with Nabiki's face on it.
>(Now, this gets into that weird aspect of fannish behavior that I've tried
>desperately to avoid, but...Does anyone other than myself think that
>Nabiki is by far the cutest of the Tendou sisters? She's got a lanky,
>sassy appeal that the others simply don't have. Kasumi is nothing special,
>Akane is a cute tomboy, but Nabiki...maybe it's just tax season getting to
>me.)
Depends on what part of the series you refer to, I thought Akane was the
cutest until she had her haircut, after that I've preferred Kasumi when they
were wearing bathing suits and Nabiki in just about anything else.
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]In article <1qirg4$b...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> wol...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (I am an android..) writes:
]>
]>Madoka, Priss
]
]How about Nene.. (just then a dozen well armed screaming and raving Nene fans
]wielding computer keyboards jumps on me screaming 'DIE YOU HERETIC!!')
]>
]>] Most Under-rated Character
]>
]>Nene, Mughi (sort of like Chewbacca: no good lines)
]
]What do you expect from a CAT??!?!
I think that Mughi is a bit more than a mere cat. Since when do you see huge
felines piloting spacecraft and doing repairs? :)
Peter Shum Internet no Totoro
>Depends on what part of the series you refer to, I thought Akane was the
>cutest until she had her haircut, after that I've preferred Kasumi when they
>were wearing bathing suits and Nabiki in just about anything else.
Akane was definitely the cutest character in Ranma 1/2 early in the series.
What really made her great was the some of the things she did. Smashing tables
on top of people, throwing hugh (I mean HUGH) boulders in the canals) and
keeping a Kempo sword by her bed (like people who keep baseball bats).
Note though, in episode 9 when Ryouga broke into the Tendou household at night
, the sisters woke not their father but, Akane to chase off the "thief".
Akane is also my younger sister's nickname as she possess similar behaviour
traits. She has a duck shaped sign on her bedroom door with the name "Akane"
on it, and for a short while hada very similar hairstyle. (Thank heavens that
she does not martial arts and her cooking is edible)
Akane : "Stop trembling! You're a man aren't you?" Skating Pair Episodes
Ranma-Chan : "At present, I'm a woman." Ranma 1/2 Nettouhen
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Iain, you seem like a very cranky person.
Everybody ELSE posting things to this thread seems to be making friendly
use of :-)'s and <grin>'s...
jeff
Iain Sinclair
D.M. Bateson
>In Article 48966 D.M. Bateson writes:
>>Depends on what part of the series you refer to, I thought Akane was the
>>cutest until she had her haircut, after that I've preferred Kasumi when they
>>were wearing bathing suits and Nabiki in just about anything else.
>Akane was definitely the cutest character in Ranma 1/2 early in the series.
>What really made her great was the some of the things she did. Smashing tables
>on top of people, throwing hugh (I mean HUGH) boulders in the canals) and
>keeping a Kempo sword by her bed (like people who keep baseball bats).
Ah, yesss.... The day's when Tendo Akane was considered a formidable
fighter in her own right, before it was realised that she couldn't touch
Ranma when he tried to dodge, was no match for Ryouga and totally unable
to stop Shampoo from giving her a quick "shampoo".
>Note though, in episode 9 when Ryouga broke into the Tendou household at night
>, the sisters woke not their father but, Akane to chase off the "thief".
If I had a choice between fetching Akane and fetching Soun I'd get Akane.
Soun may (or may not) be a better fighter, but that is no help when he's
cowering in terror.
>Akane is also my younger sister's nickname as she possess similar behaviour
>traits. She has a duck shaped sign on her bedroom door with the name "Akane"
>on it, and for a short while hada very similar hairstyle. (Thank heavens that
>she does not martial arts and her cooking is edible)
Hmmm... but the key question is ...... Has your father arranged a husband
for her!!?? :-)