[Kimagure Orange Road] $0.02 & questions
Philip Yff
In article <61gqhp$9cp$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>, schi...@red.seas.upenn.edu says...
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>My point was that the movie didn't need a gimmick, and in fact was
>better served without it. It did provide some interesting scenarios
>in the TV series (and the manga), and the story certainly wouldn't
>have been the same without them -- but the movie wouldn't have been
>the same -with- them. In the end, being an esper counts for nothing
>when Kyousuke has to deal with -human- problems.
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>That, more or less, is the theme of the movie.
I agree. Or instead of saying human problems, you might say solutions to
human problems. In the movie there is resolution and coming to terms of
all the complications present in the manga, the TV series, the OAVs, and the
first movie.
Kyousuke gets Madoka, but does so without forsaking Hikaru with whom he
develops a more mature relationship. Madoka and Hikaru, in turn, show
that their deep childhood friendship will endure. Kyousuke becomes resolute
and purposeful as he grows older--the capricious, whimsical self that was
the root cause of earlier misunderstandings is gone.
In all, I found the movie very satisfying. I never liked the way that
Hikaru was dumped in the first movie by both Kyousuke and Madoka. Being
the star in a play did not seem adequate compensation for being abandoned
by the ones she cared for most.
Mata ato de,
Phil Yff
Wakai uchi wa iroiro aru darou kedo ne
When [you're] young, various things [happen to you], right?
'Abcb Master' to Madoka KOR TV episode 7
Scott Schimmel
Philip Yff wrote:
[regarding my earlier post]
: In all, I found the movie very satisfying. I never liked the way
: that Hikaru was dumped in the first movie by both Kyousuke and Madoka.
: Being the star in a play did not seem adequate compensation for being
: abandoned by the ones she cared for most.
I was rather confused by your post initially, since I was writing
about the first movie (which you seem to dislike... ^_^).
I thought that Shin KOR was a fascinating movie, and very faithful to
the spirit of the original series (which, I agree, the first movie was
not). Nevertheless, I found it slightly disappointing. The first KOR
movie was very powerful and, artistically, nearly flawless IMO. (The
character design, in particular, was dead-on, despite the darker tone
of the movie.) Although Shin KOR was better than average, it didn't
compare to its predecessor -- it's less consistent in tone and
artistic quality; the setup took a little too long; and the climax
relied on the Power and on the rather melodramatic device of Madoka's
song.
The best scenes in Shin KOR were those involving Kyousuke, Hikaru,
and, later, Madoka. Most of that interplay was crafted at the same
high level as the first movie, in fact. But it's framed by, IMO,
inferior material.
--
Scott Schimmel http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~schimmel/
Ex ignorantia ad sapientium; "You really aren't normal, are you?"
ex luce ad tenebras. -- Miki Koishikawa
Gilles Poitras
>I never liked the way that Hikaru was dumped in the first movie by both
Kyousuke and Madoka.
> Being the star in a play did not seem adequate compensation for being
abandoned by the ones
> she cared for most.
I don't think they abandoned her, but more that things had gotten to the
point they needed to be away from her for a time. After all they do comment
that her play should be starting soon towards the end of the movie, and
they both have flashbacks where she is important. Triangles are never easy
things in life and so a well made anime dealing with the same issues would
involve a very painful situation for one of the characters, especially
given the friendship between Madoka and Hikaru.
Hikaru is still in the minds of Kyousuke and Madoka as someone they care
about, but they do have to take care of each other first.
--
Gilles Poitras
http://www.sirius.com/~cowpunk/
Kenneth B. Miller
Gilles Poitras <cow...@sirius.com> wrote in article
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SPOILERS: OH THE HUMANITY
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> >I never liked the way that Hikaru was dumped in the first movie by both
> Kyousuke and Madoka.
> > Being the star in a play did not seem adequate compensation for being
> abandoned by the ones
> > she cared for most.
This is a real touchy subject for me, as this is one of my five favourite
movies of all time (live action included).
The first movie handles it correctly in disolving the triangle. After what
happens, they could never go back to the way it was; that became obvious in
the ABCB scene: "You never had to do anything! It's no fair! Madoka,
what have you ever done for him? I can do anything! If it's for sempai, I
can do anything!" "Hikaru...I guess it really can't be the three of us
anymore...".
After the emotions and the jelousies that were show, it would be unnatural
for them all to fall right back in place. Kyosuke and Hikaru would feel
uncomfortable around each other. Madoka-san and Hikaru would eventually
grow together again, but only when Kyo wasn't around. He would become an
uncomfortable topic between the two, just as Hikaru is surely one between
Kyosuke and Madoka-san.
In SKOR, when the trio was back together again, it was good to see, but it
was more like a dream. It could never happen, no matter how much we wanted
it to.
The problem (and source of severe pain) is how the movie split Kyosuke and
Hikaru. A clean break would have saved the trio, and the viewers alot of
pain. Instead, Hikaru drug it out until Kyosuke had to hurt her to make
her let go. That final scene with him looking out the window at Hikaru in
the rain, then at the umbrella..."Sayonara, Hikaru-chan" is possibly the
worst agony we could be put through.
Madoka-san, OTOH, did not abandon Hikaru-chan; Hikaru pushed her away in
the scene in ABCB. Her remark was at once cruel, and telling that she did
not want Ayukawa-san around for now. There was nothing, at this point,
that Madoka-san could have done.
As far as the play is concerned, it wasn't a consolation prize, but a
symbol of how hard she would work for Kyosuke. She wanted to take the lead
to make her boyfriend proud of her, to make her sempai happy. The sad part
in this is that neither Kyosuke nor Madoka went to see the play. At least
Madoka should have gone.
It seems that I went a little long in this post, but I do love this movie,
even thought it hurts to watch.
--
the sanjian
Penninsula Anime Club (P.A.C.)
"Forget, for this moment, the smog, and the cars,
and the restaurants, and the skating, and remember only this.
A kiss may not be the truth, but it is what we wish were true."
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