Most HATED Anime Characters!
Sea Wasp
Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which characters RAA readers
HATED the most.
Now, this doesn't mean "Hated the show", or even that the character
is a bad person. The requirement is that the character's appearance onscreen
makes you wish for a LOT of automatic White-out.
My own "Top 5 hated" characters:
1) Chi-Chi (Dragonball Z): At first I didn't see anything wrong
with her. But as time goes on, it became clear that she treated Son Gokuu
as at best an inconvenience and at worst a villain. Her attention is
completely taken up by her son... but even there, it's a SELFISH attention.
Things go HER way, or she sulks/insults/shouts. An all-around bitch.
2) King (Nadia): This unidentifiable creature (supposed to be a
gray lion cub, but appearing in various shots as something like a gray
beagle crossed with an opossum, with a voice to match) serves no purpose
in the entire series. He has no redeeming features, not even cuteness.
When anthropomorphized, as he is later on, he becomes even more annoying,
combining all his original intrusive traits with the mannerisms of a
spoiled child. Skin him for a rug!
3) Soari Kido (Saint Seiya): Only in the first season, however.
She grew up at the tail end of the first season. Before that point, she
is arrogant, demanding, manipulative, everything that a spoiled brat could
hope to be.
4) Shinobu (This is Greenwood): I'm sorry, but even though he has
Cool down to a science, I loathe this guy. His sister's a jerk too, but
I can understand her. *I'D* shoot the oh-so-perfect little twit, too.
5) Luna (Sailor Moon): Usagi is just a bubblehead. Luna is a
negatavistic little snip. She essentially drags Usagi into the whole
conflict, then spends the rest of the series telling the poor girl how
completely hopeless she is.
My fiancee wanted me to add one more entry for her. Please note
that I DISCLAIM ALL RESPONSIBILITY for this particular entry. She's
seen more of this than I have, but this is HER opinion, NOT mine.
5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
behaviors of some of the worst men.
(Handing a flameproof suit to Kathleen, this is)
Sailor Wasp
"Wasp Prism Power -- Make UP!
signing off...
The Kimagure Orange College People
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> 4) Shinobu (This is Greenwood): I'm sorry, but even though he has
>Cool down to a science, I loathe this guy. His sister's a jerk too, but
>I can understand her. *I'D* shoot the oh-so-perfect little twit, too.
I like Nagisa for the laughs, but then again, I also like Kodaichi
for the same reasons...:-)
Psychotic women/girls are easy to laugh at...:-)
> 5) Luna (Sailor Moon): Usagi is just a bubblehead. Luna is a
>negatavistic little snip. She essentially drags Usagi into the whole
>conflict, then spends the rest of the series telling the poor girl how
>completely hopeless she is.
Maybe so, but without Luna, there would be no Sailor Moon.
> My fiancee wanted me to add one more entry for her. Please note
>that I DISCLAIM ALL RESPONSIBILITY for this particular entry. She's
>seen more of this than I have, but this is HER opinion, NOT mine.
Understood. A shame your fiancee is not on R.A.A. so we
may flame her properly...:-)
> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
>violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>behaviors of some of the worst men.
>
> (Handing a flameproof suit to Kathleen, this is)
Since I've never seen her on R.A.A., she probably doesn't need it...:-)
Well, just be sure to let her know what a firestorm she's about
to start...:-)
Stephen Tsai
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Wei Xiong
>> My fiancee wanted me to add one more entry for her. Please note
>>that I DISCLAIM ALL RESPONSIBILITY for this particular entry. She's
>>seen more of this than I have, but this is HER opinion, NOT mine.
>Understood. A shame your fiancee is not on R.A.A. so we
>may flame her properly...:-)
>> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>>too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
>>violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>>behaviors of some of the worst men.
>>
>> (Handing a flameproof suit to Kathleen, this is)
>Since I've never seen her on R.A.A., she probably doesn't need it...:-)
>Well, just be sure to let her know what a firestorm she's about
>to start...:-)
>Stephen Tsai
Didn't we have this before?
Damn, I knew I should've saved all my responses back then.
Stephen, you want to start? ^_^
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WEI XIONG wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
A...Ayukawa.. <SLAP!>
The Kimagure Orange College People
Wei Xiong <wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Didn't we have this before?
>Damn, I knew I should've saved all my responses back then.
>Stephen, you want to start? ^_^
Well, there's no point in flaming someone who isn't (to the best
of our knowledge) on R.A.A. Sea Wasp said it was Kathleen
saying this.
c.t. leung
>
> My fiancee wanted me to add one more entry for her. Please note
>that I DISCLAIM ALL RESPONSIBILITY for this particular entry. She's
>seen more of this than I have, but this is HER opinion, NOT mine.
>
>
> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
>violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>behaviors of some of the worst men.
>
> (Handing a flameproof suit to Kathleen, this is)
I hope that the flameproof suit will be able to stand the heat of all
those Madoka worshippers. (Of course, I myself am one but I will decline
the invitation. It's just not my style ^_^)
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Wei Xiong
Wei's abbreviated flame...
sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
> My fiancee wanted me to add one more entry for her. Please note
>that I DISCLAIM ALL RESPONSIBILITY for this particular entry. She's
>seen more of this than I have, but this is HER opinion, NOT mine.
> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
Is Madoka really insecure, or is your fiancee making an assumption?
How many people does your fiancee know of can put up seeing their boyfriends
being hugged and smothered by other girls every single day for four years?
Okay, if this doesn't qualify as self-security, how about Madoka being herself.
What is Madoka really like, well, she's sweet, helpful, forgiving, skilled
and independent. Is she being herself at all time, of coure not. No one can
say that he/she is being him/herself at *all* time unless he/she has no grisp
of the ever-changing surrounding what-so-ever, like babies. For example, I
don't show "my true nature" when I'm with people I don't know well, but with
friends, especially long-time friends, I act like my "true self." By the same
token, Madoka isn't being "herself" when she's with strangers, but with
Kyousuke and Hikaru, she shows her true personality.
>too arrogant to allow for failures in others,
Clearly your fiancee has not seen all the times Madoka helping Kyousuke
with his homework, the notes she leaves to him, putting up with him and
Hikaru, forgiving him for all the dumb things he does, and providing support
when he is in need.
>and prone to physical violence.
Would self-protection count as violence? 80% of the Asian girls I know of
here at UIUC is taking a martial art. Are they all violent too? of course not.
Oh yeah the slaps, like I've said before, anime, as with almost all forms
of art, includes a certain degree of exaggeration. KOR is no exception.
When Madoka gets pissed off, she slaps whoever pisses her off.
Without the slaps, it would be difficult to display her irratation.
And whether your fiancee agrees or not, Kyousuke (and others) does deserve
getting slaped most of the time.
>Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>behaviors of some of the worst men.
And what are these behaviors? If they are the above three points, then your
fiancee has not show her reasoning.
Appearently your fiancee has misses all the above, or maybe she had choosen
to stay with her presumptous first impression anyway.
Feel free to pass my response to her. Maybe she'll take another look at
Madoka.
Quincy Santa Huoh
>> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
1) Many people are insecure to be themselves...doing so may result
in getting hurt or causing hurt to others.
>>too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
2) Not true in my opinion...Kasuga fails all the time, and yet she
finds him an attractive, sympathetic character(as do I).
>>violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>>behaviors of some of the worst men.
3) If you actually watch the series you see that it is violence that
often seeks her out, not the other way. She is in my opinion not
an inherently violent person.
4) Kathleen sounds like she likes "new age men" and not the "macho" type.
Is this correct?
Joe 'Section 8' Zubkavich
> My own "Top 5 hated" characters:
[list deleted included charaacters from Nadia, Saint Seiya, Greenwood, Sailor
Moon and DragonBall Z]
Not bad choices from what I hear. As I haven't seen these shows as yet, I
will refrain from further comment.
Personally, I would have included P-chan from Ranma. I just find that little
pig SO irritating (yes, I cheer for Ranma and Akane's relationship). The plot got
to the point that Ranma might start getting Akane to see him differently, and then
P-chan arrives on the scene, and gets Ranma in really BAD situations. Yes, it was
hilarious and the show wouldn't be the same without him, but he is just the type
of character that I love to hate.
> My fiancee wanted me to add one more entry for her. Please note
> that I DISCLAIM ALL RESPONSIBILITY for this particular entry. She's
> seen more of this than I have, but this is HER opinion, NOT mine.
>
> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
> too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
> violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
> behaviors of some of the worst men.
>
> (Handing a flameproof suit to Kathleen...
[sig deleted]
I found that I had to respond to this. But, as the person in question who
stated this is not on the net *as such* and is working through a second party,
I will just leave my comment as *TSK, TSK* Some people just don't understand
The Joy That Is Madoka(TM).
[reholstering the unused flamethrower, this has been...]
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E. Kontei
>
> > 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>
> Is Madoka really insecure, or is your fiancee making an assumption?
She's *really* insecure. Why do you think she created that "tough girl"
shell to begin with? Because she's very afraid of letting someone in.
The trick was not to try harder, but to be gentler. That's
how someone as nice and "harmless" as Kyousuke won her heart.
Hikaru is the exact opposite of Madoka. This one wears her soul on her
sleeve, and became infatuated with Kyousuke when he did something "cool"
(the basketball). Eventually, she fell in love with him as well.
Unfortunately, she's a DITZ...
Hikaru had the tough act early in the series because she
was trying to be like "Madoka-san", whom she looks up to.
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SW> Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which characters RAA readers
SW> HATED the most.
SW> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
SW> too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
SW> violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
SW> behaviors of some of the worst men.
While I can see her point, I find Hikaru more annoying. I don't hate
her per se, and after the movie quite like her. However, if you want to
see insecure, I'd nominate the way she clings to Kyosuke like a leech.
And that omnigrating "Daaaarliiiing!" really gets on my nerves.
Other than that, I can't think of any other characters I particularly
dislike, other than those that you're supposed to find distasteful
(Largo for instance). Not likeing someone who is designed to be
unlikable is not exactly newsworthy. :)
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Raa Amon Zepol
> 1) Chi-Chi (Dragonball Z): At first I didn't see anything wrong
> with her. But as time goes on, it became clear that she treated Son Gokuu
> as at best an inconvenience and at worst a villain. Her attention is
> completely taken up by her son... but even there, it's a SELFISH attention.
> Things go HER way, or she sulks/insults/shouts. An all-around bitch.
I *LIKE* ChiChi ... then agin, I have been accused of being weird ... to
each his own ... :)
> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
> too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
> violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
> behaviors of some of the worst men.
I agree with her SeaWasp ... :)
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Sea Wasp
>In article <11...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>,
>Sea Wasp <sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu> wrote:
>> My fiancee wanted me to add one more entry for her. Please note
>>that I DISCLAIM ALL RESPONSIBILITY for this particular entry. She's
>>seen more of this than I have, but this is HER opinion, NOT mine.
>Understood. A shame your fiancee is not on R.A.A. so we
>may flame her properly...:-)
She *is* on R.A.A; but since the account we have is the same one,
I usually post for her. However, if you wish to flame her on behalf of
the Holy Madoka, go ahead; just remember, you're flaming HER, not ME.
(When I want to be flamed about Madoka, I'll post something
myself! :) )
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Howard Chan
E. Kontei <co...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> wrote:
>In article <2h78at$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Wei Xiong) writes:
>>
>> > 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>>
>> Is Madoka really insecure, or is your fiancee making an assumption?
>
>She's *really* insecure. Why do you think she created that "tough girl"
>shell to begin with? Because she's very afraid of letting someone in.
No, she does not create that "tough girl" shell to keep everyone away from
her. She create that for self-protection to avoid harassment from those
punks (who can be found everywhere in the KOR world). This is essential to
survive as she has involved in "gang business" in the past, and she is so
beautiful.
But she does not put up the shell in front of every stranger. She did
not put that up when she first meet Kyosuke at 99.5 steps. That's why
Kyosuke is not "scared away" from Madoka as all other boys in the town. If
Kyosuke and Madoka's first meet is not at 99.5 steps but at the riverside
where she beats up all the punks and gives the first slap to him (well ...
I don't think she will slap him since Kyosuke will not say anything to her
at the first place if they have not met at 99.5 steps since he will
certainly be "scared away" ) there will be no love triangle at the first
place (i.e. no KOR ^^;; ).
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Hikaru: "If I let you go now, you will go away from me forever ..."
Madoka: "It seems that three of us can't be together anymore ..."
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Wei Xiong
>In article <2h78at$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Wei Xiong) writes:
>>
>> > 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>>
>> Is Madoka really insecure, or is your fiancee making an assumption?
>She's *really* insecure. Why do you think she created that "tough girl"
>shell to begin with? Because she's very afraid of letting someone in.
>The trick was not to try harder, but to be gentler. That's
>how someone as nice and "harmless" as Kyousuke won her heart.
> E n r i q u e C o n t y
Then we must have different interpretation of insecurity. Putting up a tough
outlook against thugs is not insecurity, it's being protective of one's
own safety.
E. Kontei
> >> Is Madoka really insecure, or is your fiancee making an assumption?
> >She's *really* insecure. Why do you think she created that "tough girl"
> >shell to begin with? Because she's very afraid of letting someone in.
>
> outlook against thugs is not insecurity, it's being protective of one's
> own safety.
If only it were that simple...
Madoka meets a cute stranger. She acts friendly, and eventually goes away.
Madoka finds out said stranger is a schoolmate, and immediately goes into
Ice Queen mode. Explain.
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Sea Wasp
>co...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>>In article <2h78at$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Wei Xiong) writes:
[I wrote, for my fiancee]
>>> > 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>>> Is Madoka really insecure, or is your fiancee making an assumption?
>>She's *really* insecure. Why do you think she created that "tough girl"
>>shell to begin with? Because she's very afraid of letting someone in.
>Then we must have different interpretation of insecurity. Putting up a tough
>outlook against thugs is not insecurity, it's being protective of one's
>own safety.
If she was ONLY tough in front of the thugs, your theory would hold.
However, she is "I'm one mean mama" 99.9 % of the time. With her talents
and her physical abilities, she has absolutely no need of such a facade.
She can be nice, nice, nice, BOOT TO THE HEAD, nice, nice... and she wouldn't
have any more trouble than she already does.
As far as "how many people does Kathleen know who would put up with
having their boyfriend hugged, etc., by other girls", her reply was:
"Madoka doesn't TREAT Kyosuke like her boyfriend most of the time.
Kyosuke is NEVER sure where he stands, and if Madoka really WAS interested
in him, she should have just said, "Look, here's the deal." and gotten
everything done with. Hikaru's behavior made EVERYONE miserable at various
times, and Madoka could have put a stop to it one way or another rather
easily."
In short, Madoka's "tolerance" of all that kind of thing was no
exhibition of sainthood; it's just her taking things she brought down on
herself. If she wasn't so hung up on maintaining her image, she and Kyosuke
would never have run INTO the Hikaru problem; Kyosuke and Madoka would have
been already obviously interested and Hikaru would have had to hang in
the background.
(Hikaru isn't any prize either, considering she first decided that
Kyosuke was a good target after seeing him do something impressive, rather
than Madoka, who at least started liking Kyosuke simply because he acted
like a basically nice guy.)
Sailor Wasp
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Sea Wasp
>>In article <11...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>[fiance opinion]
>>> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>1) Many people are insecure to be themselves...doing so may result
>in getting hurt or causing hurt to others.
But in the long run, not being yourself will cause a lot MORE
hurt, because then people react to you not as you are, but as you
project yourself to be. Living a lie is tough.
>>>too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
>2) Not true in my opinion...Kasuga fails all the time, and yet she
>finds him an attractive, sympathetic character(as do I).
Yes and no. The whole Hikaru sequence revolves around Kasuga's
failure to give Hikaru the blunt shove, but that would hurt Hikaru and
anger Madoka. Either way, Kyosuke is screwed, blued, and tatooed.
>>>violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>>>behaviors of some of the worst men.
>3) If you actually watch the series you see that it is violence that
>often seeks her out, not the other way. She is in my opinion not
>an inherently violent person.
*Slap* *Slap* *Slap*
>4) Kathleen sounds like she likes "new age men" and not the "macho" type.
>Is this correct?
She likes both. Arnold Schwarzenegger to Shun Kido, about as extreme
a range as I can imagine.
Sailor Wasp
"Wasp Prism Power -- Make UP!
Wei Xiong
> If she was ONLY tough in front of the thugs, your theory would hold.
>However, she is "I'm one mean mama" 99.9 % of the time. With her talents
>and her physical abilities, she has absolutely no need of such a facade.
>She can be nice, nice, nice, BOOT TO THE HEAD, nice, nice... and she wouldn't
>have any more trouble than she already does.
99.9% of the time??!!!!!!!!!!
Are you kidding me!?
Have you ever seen half of anime or read half of the manga?
She helps Minami with her cut finger, saves the kid's dog in front of a truck,
helps a kid pick up his ball, saves a kid from running over by a truck...
Again, I remember your arguement well from a few months ago, and I also
remember a flow of responses from people who is living and have lived in Japan
about the need to conform, otherwise the need to maintain a tough image to
survive. (The story of the kid got killed comes to mind.)
> As far as "how many people does Kathleen know who would put up with
>having their boyfriend hugged, etc., by other girls", her reply was:
> "Madoka doesn't TREAT Kyosuke like her boyfriend most of the time.
>Kyosuke is NEVER sure where he stands, and if Madoka really WAS interested
>in him, she should have just said, "Look, here's the deal." and gotten
>everything done with. Hikaru's behavior made EVERYONE miserable at various
>times, and Madoka could have put a stop to it one way or another rather
>easily."
I see a huge cultural gap here. Orientials are far more reserved than
Westerners, especially when it comes to relationship. (Hikaru is of course
a rare example) And with Hikaru around almost all the time, how can Kyousuke
and Madoka treat each other like lovers? They can only do so AFTER Hikaru is
out of the picture, as in Chapter 3 of I Want To Return To That Day when
Madoka buys shirts for Kyousuke.
Wei Xiong
> (Hikaru isn't any prize either, considering she first decided that
>Kyosuke was a good target after seeing him do something impressive, rather
>than Madoka, who at least started liking Kyosuke simply because he acted
>like a basically nice guy.)
Hikaru is impressed by Kyousuke's "athletic prowess" and his "cuteness."
So she goes after him. I've seen it happen way too often in real life.
Wei Xiong
>In article <2h7adh$g...@agate.berkeley.edu> lan...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Quincy Santa Huoh) writes:
>>2) Not true in my opinion...Kasuga fails all the time, and yet she
>>finds him an attractive, sympathetic character(as do I).
> Yes and no. The whole Hikaru sequence revolves around Kasuga's
>failure to give Hikaru the blunt shove, but that would hurt Hikaru and
>anger Madoka. Either way, Kyosuke is screwed, blued, and tatooed.
Easier said than done. Try to tell your girlfriend that you are breaking up
with her because you loves her best friend. I have friends who has gone
through this hell before (just the breakup itself); they were totally wrecked.
>>3) If you actually watch the series you see that it is violence that
>>often seeks her out, not the other way. She is in my opinion not
>>an inherently violent person.
> *Slap* *Slap* *Slap*
Oh _give_me_a_break_! Just because I have SLAP! in my .sig doesn't mean
Madoka slaps often. If you have seen everything, tv, oav, and movie, Madoka
slaps Kyousuke less than five times (I didn't count, so I'm not sure here.)
And Kyousuke more or less deserves the slaps.
I think Madoka acquired her SLAP reputation because we KOR fans talk about
it as a source of amusement and people who haven't seen most of KOR
took it as a common occurance.
Sea Wasp
>sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>> Yes and no. The whole Hikaru sequence revolves around Kasuga's
>>failure to give Hikaru the blunt shove, but that would hurt Hikaru and
>>anger Madoka. Either way, Kyosuke is screwed, blued, and tatooed.
>Easier said than done. Try to tell your girlfriend that you are breaking up
>with her because you loves her best friend. I have friends who has gone
>through this hell before (just the breakup itself); they were totally wrecked.
Yes and no, again. Kyosuke DIDN'T have any interest in Hikaru to
begin with. All he had to do was say "No" at the beginning. And he KNEW he
liked Madoka. He didn't. Bad move.
As far as RL interactions... my fiancee WAS the best friend of my
last girlfriend. Yes, it was hell. And I WAS stupid to have acted as I
did, rather than to just say, "Look, this isn't working and hasn't been working
for weeks now."
So if I think it's stupid when *I* did it, shouldn't I think it's
about a hundred times more stupid when a character, who can be controlled
externally by the author, does it?
>Oh _give_me_a_break_! Just because I have SLAP! in my .sig doesn't mean
>Madoka slaps often. If you have seen everything, tv, oav, and movie, Madoka
>slaps Kyousuke less than five times (I didn't count, so I'm not sure here.)
>And Kyousuke more or less deserves the slaps.
You know my opinion of this. She has no excuse. Kyosuke does not
physically assault her. Thus, she has no reason to resort to physical
violence. QED.
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Vic Sisowath
>sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>> As far as "how many people does Kathleen know who would put up with
>>having their boyfriend hugged, etc., by other girls", her reply was:
>> "Madoka doesn't TREAT Kyosuke like her boyfriend most of the time.
>>Kyosuke is NEVER sure where he stands, and if Madoka really WAS interested
>>in him, she should have just said, "Look, here's the deal." and gotten
>>everything done with. Hikaru's behavior made EVERYONE miserable at various
>>times, and Madoka could have put a stop to it one way or another rather
>>easily."
I have always asked myself the same question... then I realized how
boring it would be if all was nice and dandy. Instead of having the KOR we
love so much (well at least I love it), we would be watching a love story
between two teenagers. Yucky! The traditional "love triangle" seems to be
a popular tool to keep viewers interested. Don't you agree? Don't answer
that. Anyway, I always thought that Ayukawa cared more about Hikaru's
happiness than her own. What do you call that... oh yes self-sacrifice. I
might be wrong but on many occasions Ayukawa behaved this way. In the TV
series she even tried to distance herself from Kasuga-kun because Hikaru
told her that "Darling" was thinking of another woman. I guess in the movie
the pain got too unbearable to continue on.
By the way, Mr. Xong, I have tried to keep count on how many times
Ayukawa slapped poor Kyosuke. You're right it's not a common occurence but
does number in the two digits if you include everything. And that's not
counting the parts they didn't show, like when Kyosuke was trying to take
pictures of Madoka nude while pretending to be hypnotized...
Vic Sisowath
vi...@ocf.berkeley.edu
Song Ouk Bang
>In article <2hcke5$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Wei Xiong) writes:
>>sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>Easier said than done. Try to tell your girlfriend that you are breaking up
>>with her because you loves her best friend. I have friends who has gone
>>through this hell before (just the breakup itself); they were totally wrecked.
>
> Yes and no, again. Kyosuke DIDN'T have any interest in Hikaru to
>begin with. All he had to do was say "No" at the beginning. And he KNEW he
>liked Madoka. He didn't. Bad move.
In the beginning, yes... but as the time progressed, Kyousuke did admit that
Hikaru was cute. That didn't mean he liked her more than he liked Madoka.
But Kyousuke didn't really know until the end how Madoka feels about him.
So why break up with a girl who is crazy over you and also popular among
guys? I see no reason what so ever. If Kyousuke knew how Madoka really
feels about him, then yes. That's like cheating on her. But he didn't know.
>>Oh _give_me_a_break_! Just because I have SLAP! in my .sig doesn't mean
>>Madoka slaps often. If you have seen everything, tv, oav, and movie, Madoka
>>slaps Kyousuke less than five times (I didn't count, so I'm not sure here.)
>>And Kyousuke more or less deserves the slaps.
>
> You know my opinion of this. She has no excuse. Kyosuke does not
>physically assault her. Thus, she has no reason to resort to physical
>violence. QED.
The first slap was when Kyousuke took the cigarette from Madoka and threw
it in front of her. He didn't know her that well enough to have the
authority to do that. Besides, a lot of people were watching her and she
wanted to show them that she's not a kind of a girl who you can just tell
and expect her to listen. So Kyousuke deserved that slap. I can't really
remember how many slaps Madoka threw on Kyousuke, but I remember one time
where he was in the cabin with a girl, who is supposed to go into surgery
in a week, practically naked. Okay, if you were in Madoka's shoes, and
you walked in and saw a guy and a girl practically naked in front of you,
and also that girl was crying, what would you think? Exactly what Madoka
was thinking. And Kyousuke just ran after Madoka after she left
angrily. Wouldn't you think that maybe he was trying to apologize for the
deed he did to the girl? I would. So he deserved that slap too. And in
the other time, when Kyousuke was drunk and trying to kiss Madoka, she
slapped him. Yeah, so he was unconscious and woke up next day, but at
the end, Kyousuke even understood why she hit him. I can go on forever
explaining why Kyousuke really deserved those slaps, but I won't. But
you get my point, don't you?
Song
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Howard Chan
Sea Wasp <sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>>Understood. A shame your fiancee is not on R.A.A. so we
>>may flame her properly...:-)
>
>
> She *is* on R.A.A; but since the account we have is the same one,
>I usually post for her. However, if you wish to flame her on behalf of
>the Holy Madoka, go ahead; just remember, you're flaming HER, not ME.
So she *is* on RAA ...
[ searching the Ultra-penetrating-AntiFlameProofShell-super-flamer ... ^_^ ]
I'll be ready next time ... ^_^
Charles Kwong
>
> Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which characters RAA readers
>HATED the most.
>
> Now, this doesn't mean "Hated the show", or even that the character
>is a bad person. The requirement is that the character's appearance onscreen
>makes you wish for a LOT of automatic White-out.
>
It's VERY hard for a character to make me feel I hate that character. So
far I only hate Usagi a little bit... just a little bit... ^_^;;
> My own "Top 5 hated" characters:
>
For me, my list is "Anime characters I don't like(or I should say "I
like least")" since I seldom hate anime characters. Luckily only the
following three are in this category:
Shampoo (Ranma 1/2)
Hino Rei (Sailor Moon)
Nitta Yuka (Touch)
> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
>violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>behaviors of some of the worst men.
>
Err... I have to say that since Madoka's temper(or emotions... I don't
know the right word... my English is awful... ^_^;) is VERY hard(
or even impossible) to predict so I'm afraid her boyfriend maybe VERY
insecure with their love affair, and may even get rid of her due to lack of
confidence. For me, if I were Kasuga-kun I may give up the chance in the
middle of TV Series and satisfied for being with Hikaru-chan instead...
That's why I said I don't want Madoka to be my girlfriend... really...
Although she's not a good girlfriend at all, I think she's a PERFECT wife(
see "Message in Rouge") and a PERFECT elder sister(see how Madoka
treat Hikaru-chan and Yusaku in TV Series)... ^_^
That's the main reason why Madoka is my No.1 anime girl... tie with
Asakura Minami... ^_^;;
Maybe the ONLY human suitable to be Madoka's boyfriend is Kyosuke...
no sig. today
Charles
Howard Chan
Sea Wasp <sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which characters RAA readers
>HATED the most.
>
Hmmm ... not many actually ...
Right now the only characters I can think of (on the "good" side of course.
"Bad" side characters are made to be hated) are Shampoo and Kodachi from
Ranma 1/2.
[ begin searching for cover ]
In my mind, Shampoo is "evil" as she can use virtually any method to reach
her goals, including killing ...
[ start sweating ... ]
I think no explaination is needed for Kodachi ...
> My fiancee wanted me to add one more entry for her. Please note
>
> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
Since this is from your fiancee, no flame will be given here...
[ Running to the nearest hiding place while still talking ... ^_^;;; ]
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Ranma: "If you dare marrying Akane, You will all ..."
Kirin: "We will all ... ?"
Ranma: "You will all be POISONED TO DEATH BY AKANE'S COOKING!!!!"
- Ranma 1/2 movie
Ralph Jenkins
We have a "Most HATED Anime Characters!" thread that turns into
a KOR thread, and no one mentions Komatsu and Hatta, Kyosuke's
annoying pals? When they come on screen, it's time to hit the
FF button, ne?
-- Ralph Jenkins
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Wei Xiong
>In article <2hcke5$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Wei Xiong) writes:
>>sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>> Yes and no. The whole Hikaru sequence revolves around Kasuga's
>>>failure to give Hikaru the blunt shove, but that would hurt Hikaru and
>>>anger Madoka. Either way, Kyosuke is screwed, blued, and tatooed.
>>Easier said than done. Try to tell your girlfriend that you are breaking up
>>with her because you loves her best friend. I have friends who has gone
>>through this hell before (just the breakup itself); they were totally wrecked.
> Yes and no, again. Kyosuke DIDN'T have any interest in Hikaru to
>begin with. All he had to do was say "No" at the beginning. And he KNEW he
>liked Madoka. He didn't. Bad move.
Kyousuke DOES like Hikaru, but as a sister, whereas it's love with Madoka.
Kyousuke's problem is that he's too nice. He has a hard time telling people
what they don't want to hear. He has the same trouble telling Hatta and
Komatsu to leave him alone.
--
Wei Xiong wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
A...Ayukawa.. <SLAP!>
Wei Xiong
> By the way, Mr. Xong, I have tried to keep count on how many times
>Ayukawa slapped poor Kyosuke. You're right it's not a common occurence but
>does number in the two digits if you include everything. And that's not
>counting the parts they didn't show, like when Kyosuke was trying to take
>pictures of Madoka nude while pretending to be hypnotized...
> Vic Sisowath
> vi...@ocf.berkeley.edu
Wei is fine. Mr. Xiong sounds too formal. :)
I believe half of the slaps occurs in the OAV's. White Lovers, Hurrican Akane,
etc. But are you counting the number of slaps, or the number of occasions?
By the way, Madoka did not slap Kyousuke in the Robot Kyousuke episode, she
pinched his nose instead.
Wei Xiong
> We have a "Most HATED Anime Characters!" thread that turns into
>a KOR thread, and no one mentions Komatsu and Hatta, Kyosuke's
>annoying pals? When they come on screen, it's time to hit the
>FF button, ne?
>
> -- Ralph Jenkins
Ha, I just posted one with Hatta and Komatsu. Yep they are annoying, but
Kyousuke still puts up wit them, as he does with Hikaru.
Kyousuke is too nice for his own good.
Then again, he gets the girl, so ...
Wei Xiong
>> >> Is Madoka really insecure, or is your fiancee making an assumption?
>> >She's *really* insecure. Why do you think she created that "tough girl"
>> >shell to begin with? Because she's very afraid of letting someone in.
>>
>> Then we must have different interpretation of insecurity. Putting up a tough
>> outlook against thugs is not insecurity, it's being protective of one's
>> own safety.
>If only it were that simple...
>
>Madoka meets a cute stranger. She acts friendly, and eventually goes away.
>Madoka finds out said stranger is a schoolmate, and immediately goes into
>Ice Queen mode. Explain.
>--
> E n r i q u e C o n t y
Two points I wish to respond with.
1. I assume the stranger (Madoka doesn't see Kyousuke as cute, btw) you were
refering to is Kyousuke. When she meets him on the staircase, she is in
a rather joyous mood. And like you and me when we are happy, Madoka is
friendly. What you did not mention is the circumstance when Madoka
finds out the said stranger (Kyousuke) is a classmate. She just had a
tough fight with four street thugs. She's of course angry and in fighting
spirit. When Kyousuke tries to approach her, she responds to him coldly.
I'm sure we all had similar experiences sometime in life. When I'm in a bad
mood, I tend to ignore people as well.
2. If what you said if true, then please explain why Madoka is being
friendly to Kyousuke in school the next day, and carries his bookbag while
he's being chewed by the sensei.
Howard Chan
Sea Wasp <sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu> wrote:
>In article <2h9v1o$h...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Wei Xiong) writes:
>
>>Then we must have different interpretation of insecurity. Putting up a tough
>>outlook against thugs is not insecurity, it's being protective of one's
>>own safety.
>
>
> If she was ONLY tough in front of the thugs, your theory would hold.
>However, she is "I'm one mean mama" 99.9 % of the time. With her talents
>and her physical abilities, she has absolutely no need of such a facade.
>She can be nice, nice, nice, BOOT TO THE HEAD, nice, nice... and she wouldn't
>have any more trouble than she already does.
She *IS* only tough in front of the thugs ...
She is very nice to Kyousuke when they first meet ... and when they meet
again in the hallway the next morning... I don't think that she loves him
at that time yet.
I think that she has her tough shell up most of the time in the early
series is because she grows up in the "dark side" of the society [involve
in gangs, fights ...] and people who know this of course will stay away from
her. As a result, no one live in town long will even try to be nice to her
if they heard of her name but don't know her in deep.
And she is nice towards the others ... remember that she trys to save a
child when he falls from the bridge into the pool (but Kyousuke jumps down
to the pool first ...)
> As far as "how many people does Kathleen know who would put up with
>having their boyfriend hugged, etc., by other girls", her reply was:
>
> "Madoka doesn't TREAT Kyosuke like her boyfriend most of the time.
>Kyosuke is NEVER sure where he stands, and if Madoka really WAS interested
>in him, she should have just said, "Look, here's the deal." and gotten
>everything done with. Hikaru's behavior made EVERYONE miserable at various
>times, and Madoka could have put a stop to it one way or another rather
>easily."
> In short, Madoka's "tolerance" of all that kind of thing was no
>exhibition of sainthood; it's just her taking things she brought down on
>herself. If she wasn't so hung up on maintaining her image, she and Kyosuke
>would never have run INTO the Hikaru problem; Kyosuke and Madoka would have
>been already obviously interested and Hikaru would have had to hang in
>the background.
The problem is: Hikaru shows her interest in Kyousuke BEFORE Madoka
realizes she loves him. I think that Madoka feels that Kyousuke likes her,
but at the same time he doesn't reject Hikaru. Since Hikaru is Madoka's
best friend (and maybe the only best friend in town) she does not want to
hurt her. Also, Madoka is not sure about how Kyousuke feel about Hikaru in
the early eps. Madoka always treat Hikaru as her little sister, and
willing to do anything to make Hikaru happy, so she does not shows her
interest in Kyousuke publicly. She does shows this via different methods
when they are alone, but everytime Kyousuke doesn't get the message [^_^;;]
Even in the later eps, when Madoka seems to know what Kyousuke really
feels, she still cannot show her true feeling publicly because this will
surely hurt Hikaru -- her "little sister" and the best friend in live
-- really bad. She thinks that as long as Kyousuke loves her, she can live
with the triangle.
The love triangle formed is not because Madoka tries to maintain her "cool
image", but because of Kyousuke's indicisive and Madoka's "tolarence" [I
can't think of any other words right now ... my English is bad ...] about
Hikaru's role in the relationship. As soon as these two factors are removed,
the love triangle is resolved.
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Kasuga: "Ayukawa ... I love you ..."
Hikaru: "If I let you go now, you will go away from me forever ..."
Madoka: "It seems that three of us can't be together anymore ..."
Ano hi no mabushii sora wo / wasure wa shinai / kono mune ni daite
- Kimagure Orange Road Ano hi ni kaeritai
------------------------------ Howard Chan --- hyc...@unixg.ubc.ca ------
Jason F Harvey
>HATED the most.
>
>is a bad person. The requirement is that the character's appearance onscreen
>makes you wish for a LOT of automatic White-out.
>
1) Nadia. The show was wonderful, but there were so many times
I wished someone would slap her (and I cheered when Nemo
did ^_^)
2) Hikaru (KOR). She was incredibly annoying when she was
fawning all over Kyo^suke.
3) Gokuu (DragonballZ). I like the character, but his voice
has got to go. A person's voice changes when he gets older
ya know. Just Think: Crayon Shin-chan has a deeper voice
than Gokuu ^_^;;
4) Ten-chan (Urusei Yatsura). I really don't have anything
against him, but when I walked into a meeting last year
and then the entire theatre starting chanting "Ten-chan",
I just snapped. ;)
5) Katsumi Liquer (Silent Mobius). If she'd stop screaming
and whining she'd be fine. ;)
Those are all IMHO, of course.
-Jei
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> 2) Hikaru (KOR). She was incredibly annoying when she was
> fawning all over Kyo^suke.
YES! Finally found a person who I can agree with. She is INCREDIBLY
annoying. I know she means well... but still! She's #1 on my list!
And her laugh.... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S A NIGHTMARE!!!!!! Well, I'm sure you get my hateness toward Hikaru...
And I don't understand how anyone can hate Ayukawa Madoka... I totally
like her. She's #1 on my FAVORITE anime characters... along with Akane
of Ranma 1/2,... Oh well... just MHO...
> 5) Katsumi Liquer (Silent Mobius). If she'd stop screaming
> and whining she'd be fine. ;)
Hmmm... I disagree with this one. In English dubbed movie, YES! She is
really annoying! But in Japanese... I like the character.
Howard Chan
>
>>>In article <11...@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>
>>>>violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>>>>behaviors of some of the worst men.
>
>>3) If you actually watch the series you see that it is violence that
>>often seeks her out, not the other way. She is in my opinion not
>>an inherently violent person.
>
> *Slap* *Slap* *Slap*
I agree with Lancer here. Most fights involved in the series begins by
some punk sees a beautiful girl and tries to get advantage from her ...
As I recall, all the slaps Ayukawa delivered to Kyosuke are kyousuke deserved:
invading her privacy (destroy her cigerettes), behave unacceptably (try to
kiss her when they are only friends / see her changing / touch where he
should not touch) and makes her REALLY ANGRY (e.g. misunderstands that he has
some "special" relationship with another girl [ I believe that every girl
will slap her boyfriend if this happens ] )
Joseph Palmer
My most hated are:
1. Sasuke, the Kuno's Ninja from Ranma 1/2 Netouhen. This character wasn't
even in any of the Manga. Why he was added for the TV show I don't know.
DUMB.
2. Kuno sr. from Ranma 1/2 This Hawaii-fixated -baka-yarou must go!
HaHaHaHa OH MY GOD!
3. Hikaru Himaya, KOR. The slightly off pitch voice is SO grating. However,
I don't think the series would have been any good without her.
(P.S.) After seeing the end of the KOR movie, I kept hearing that
overplayed Arrowsmith song in my mind with slightly different lyrics:
Hikaru's got a gun, Now Kyosuke's on the run...
Joseph Palmer My opinions are my own...(Except perhaps about
Hikaru!)
AV System Integration Apple agrees to that.....(Apple has no offical
position
Apple Computer, Inc. on Hikaru!)
Song Ouk Bang
>> Lotts of people have wrote...
>
>My most hated are:
>
>1. Sasuke, the Kuno's Ninja from Ranma 1/2 Netouhen. This character wasn't
>even in any of the Manga. Why he was added for the TV show I don't know.
>DUMB.
I agree, totally. He wasn't really necessary. But he did appear few times
in TV episodes... and he did most of the spying for Kunou Tatewaki, so maybe
that's why they decided to put him in the Nettouhen episodes... so he can
spy Tendou doujou...
>2. Kuno sr. from Ranma 1/2 This Hawaii-fixated -baka-yarou must go!
>HaHaHaHa OH MY GOD!
I like Kunou Tatewaki better than him. The principal was ANNOYING! I
liked his English accent though... but other than that, hate him. I don't
know why they decided to make him this crazy. Always going after Ranma's
pony tail. Almost annoying as... HIKARU HIYAMA!!! That reminds me...
>3. Hikaru Himaya, KOR. The slightly off pitch voice is SO grating. However,
>I don't think the series would have been any good without her.
>(P.S.) After seeing the end of the KOR movie, I kept hearing that
>overplayed Arrowsmith song in my mind with slightly different lyrics:
>Hikaru's got a gun, Now Kyosuke's on the run...
I love your last sentence. =) She was annoying, wasn't she? I always
wonder... what would've happen if Hikaru always acted like she did
in the movie... quiet, not annoying and saying "Darling!" all the time...
But if I think about it, it would be boring without her. I mean it will
be another boring(?) love story. I hated her for always interrupting
Kyousuke and Madoka when they were by themselves... especially in that
"island" episode. But she did care about Kyousuke as much as Madoka did, if
not more. Only if she wasn't so damn annoying... maybe I could've liked her.
Trygve Gudmundsen
:: 2) Hikaru (KOR). She was incredibly annoying when she was
:: fawning all over Kyo^suke.
SOB> YES! Finally found a person who I can agree with. She is INCREDIBLY
SOB> annoying. I know she means well... but still! She's #1 on my list!
What is all this..? Hikaru is CUTE! :-)~
T r y g v e G u d m u n d s e n -+- (try...@fidonet.bbs.no)
Song Ouk Bang
>: Jason F Harvey <r3...@dax.cc.uakron.edu> wrote:
>
>:: 2) Hikaru (KOR). She was incredibly annoying when she was
>:: fawning all over Kyo^suke.
>
>SOB> YES! Finally found a person who I can agree with. She is INCREDIBLY
>SOB> annoying. I know she means well... but still! She's #1 on my list!
>
>What is all this..? Hikaru is CUTE! :-)~
Because you have that "happy face" at the end, I assume that you are
kidding, right? I'm sure you are. Well... okay. She is kinda cute.
But cute and annoying is totally different story here. A girl can be
cute and annoying at the same time. Look at... hmmm.... let me see now...
who's a good example... Shannon Doherty. Some people can say she's cute,
but at the same time, she caused a lot of trouble. Personally, I hate her.
I think Hikaru is better than her. But anyway, that's not the point here.
Hikaru is "kinda" cute AND annoying. Now only if she stop saying "Darling"
all the time... maybe I can start to like her. That's why I like Hikaru
in the movie. She's so... serious... and didn't annoy me at all in the
movie. Actually I felt sorry for her. But in the TV episodes, I just...
HATED her. She was so... INCREDIBLY ANNOYING!!! Hmmm... I wonder if anybody
is going to disagree with me on this one....
TRUNKS!
r3...@dax.cc.uakron.edu (Jason F Harvey ) writes:
> 4) Ten-chan (Urusei Yatsura). I really don't have anything
> against him, but when I walked into a meeting last year
> and then the entire theatre starting chanting "Ten-chan",
> I just snapped. ;)
obvious reasons, this takes some of the enjoyment out of UY for him (but adds
plenty for me ^_^ ).
>
>-Jei
>
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Sea Wasp
> 3) Gokuu (DragonballZ). I like the character, but his voice
> has got to go. A person's voice changes when he gets older
> ya know. Just Think: Crayon Shin-chan has a deeper voice
> than Gokuu ^_^;;
Under most circumstances, I'd agree with you. In Gokuu's case,
however, I don't. His voice is symbolic of who he is. Gokuu is like a
superheroic Peter Pan. He still has the clueless innocence of a child.
He has a child's face, still (yes, it's sharper, but there's still
something of who he was there), and the child's voice -- angry, at times,
but basically just a boy wandering through life with a sense of wonder and
innocent happiness.
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Wei Xiong
> What do you mean annoying!!! She is not! Well maybe just a
>little... but she is so nice. How maybe girls do you know who would
>dedicate themselves like that? In the movie, Hikaru said she would do
>anything for her sempai. I mean I think her voice is cute and contrast with
>Madoka's sometimes cold voice. Ok... if you watch too many episodes in the
>row it gets a little grating so don't. She is unselfish, cute, thoughtfull,
>popular, lively, well maybe I'm exaggerating a little... but she has a place
>in my heart. And don't you love the way she says "darling"? Don't answer
>that. I even tried to count how many times she said it. She even said it 4
>times in the same sentence! Only if Ayukawa was as open as Hikaru... Don't
>get me wrong I like Madoka too but I wonder if the situation is more her
>fault than anyone else. I do agree with you about Hikaru interrupting
>Kyousuke and Madoka though especially on the island and during the Truth
>Mushroom episodes, but it sure tickled my interest. It keeps you riveted
>and wanting for more KOR, like I can have enough of it... Hmmm... just
>realized how much I'm going to get flames for this... oh well just my own
>opinion.
> Vic Sisowath
Okay here are some of my thoughts on Hikaru. She annoys me to a great extend,
no question about it, but it's not her voice that annoys me (okay maybe a
little), it's her insensitivity that really get on my nerve. Yes, Hikaru is
cute, lively and popular, as Vic had said, but she is _not_ unselfish, nor
thoughtful. She no doubt has some clue as to Kyousuke and Madoka's
relationship, (the movie comes to mind), but chooses to ignore it. Hikaru
knew Kyousuke's love for Madoka, yet she continues "attach" herself to him in
front of Madoka, and everyone else. As she says, try to win Kyousuke from
Madoka. She likes Kyousuke, so she assumes that he likes her. Granted
he does nothing to discourage her belief, but even after she sees numerous
instances of Madoka and Kyousuke together, she still assumes that Darling
is hers and hers only. She jumps, and expects Kyousuke to catch her. She
cries, and expects Kyousuke to apoligize. She gives no consideration to
Madoka's feelings, nor Kyousuke's, nor anyone else.
And that really drives me nuts, and that's why I do not like Hikaru.
Song Ouk Bang
>>I love your last sentence. =) She was annoying, wasn't she? I always
>>wonder... what would've happen if Hikaru always acted like she did
>>in the movie... quiet, not annoying and saying "Darling!" all the time...
>>But if I think about it, it would be boring without her. I mean it will
>>be another boring(?) love story. I hated her for always interrupting
>>Kyousuke and Madoka when they were by themselves... especially in that
>>"island" episode. But she did care about Kyousuke as much as Madoka did, if
>>not more. Only if she wasn't so damn annoying... maybe I could've liked her.
>
When I said annoying... I MEANT ANNOYING!!!
>She is not! Well maybe just a
>little... but she is so nice. How maybe girls do you know who would
>dedicate themselves like that?
You mean dedicate themselves to be ANNOYING like that? =) None. Hikaru
is the only one... I hope. You know, I was really glad when Hikaru said,
in one TV episode, that she doesn't have any siblings. Good! No Hikaru
the 2nd.
>In the movie, Hikaru said she would do anything for her sempai.
Like I said before, I like Hikaru in the movie, but not in TV episodes.
She's so.... different in the movie, that I began to like her. She DOES have
a life without Kyousuke. That really moved my heart. I was beginning to
feel sorry for her. BUT NOT IN THE TV EPISODES!!!
>I mean I think her voice is cute and contrast with
>Madoka's sometimes cold voice. Ok... if you watch too many episodes in the
>row it gets a little grating so don't. She is unselfish, cute, thoughtfull,
>popular, lively, well maybe I'm exaggerating a little...
Yes, you are exaggerating a little... make that a LOT.
>but she has a place
>in my heart. And don't you love the way she says "darling"? Don't answer
>that. I even tried to count how many times she said it. She even said it 4
>times in the same sentence!
Vic, Vic, Vic... When you and I watched the TV episodes, you did count
how many times she said "Darling." How many was it? I can't even remember.
You get sick of good things if you have too many. It was funny in the
beginning... but as the episodes went on, it was getting ANNOYING!!!!
Wait, did I say that word before?
>Only if Ayukawa was as open as Hikaru... Don't
>get me wrong I like Madoka too but I wonder if the situation is more her
>fault than anyone else.
HER FAULT??? Uh huh... sure... of course it was Madoka's fault. What did
you expect her to do? Say "I love Kyousuke and Kyousuke loves me. So
that's that!" to Hikaru so she can have a broken heart and commit a
suicide? Nononono... Madoka didn't want to break Hikaru's heart. Probably
she thought Hikaru is going to go for another guy if she finds one better,
but that never happened. That's what I think Madoka was thinking. But in
the movie, she realized that that'll never happen. So Kyousuke had to
step up and say it by himself.
>I do agree with you about Hikaru interrupting
>Kyousuke and Madoka though especially on the island and during the Truth
>Mushroom episodes, but it sure tickled my interest.
Good, finally you agreed something with me. Yes, the mushroom episode is
my favorite episode... next to the last 2 episodes...
>It keeps you riveted
>and wanting for more KOR, like I can have enough of it... Hmmm... just
>realized how much I'm going to get flames for this... oh well just my own
>opinion.
Nah, I doubt that you'll get flame for this. Hmmm.... then again, maybe...
Jason F Harvey
>In article <1994Jan18.1...@news.uakron.edu>
>r3...@dax.cc.uakron.edu (Jason F Harvey ) writes:
>
>> 4) Ten-chan (Urusei Yatsura). I really don't have anything
>> against him, but when I walked into a meeting last year
>> and then the entire theatre starting chanting "Ten-chan",
>> I just snapped. ;)
>
>
> For those of you who don't know, Jei resembles a 6'4" Jeriten. For rather
>obvious reasons, this takes some of the enjoyment out of UY for him (but adds
>plenty for me ^_^ ).
And everyone else :P
Which reminds me of the first time I met Mathews-san,
Peter: This is Gokuu.
Midori: But we call him Ten-chan.
Ryan: Why? Does his breath smell that bad?
Vic Sisowath
Song Ouk Bang <s...@uclink.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>Joseph Palmer <Joseph...@quickmail.apple.com> wrote:
>>3. Hikaru Himaya, KOR. The slightly off pitch voice is SO grating. However,
>>I don't think the series would have been any good without her.
>>(P.S.) After seeing the end of the KOR movie, I kept hearing that
>>overplayed Arrowsmith song in my mind with slightly different lyrics:
>>Hikaru's got a gun, Now Kyosuke's on the run...
>
>I love your last sentence. =) She was annoying, wasn't she? I always
>wonder... what would've happen if Hikaru always acted like she did
>in the movie... quiet, not annoying and saying "Darling!" all the time...
>But if I think about it, it would be boring without her. I mean it will
>be another boring(?) love story. I hated her for always interrupting
>Kyousuke and Madoka when they were by themselves... especially in that
>"island" episode. But she did care about Kyousuke as much as Madoka did, if
>not more. Only if she wasn't so damn annoying... maybe I could've liked her.
>
> Song
What do you mean annoying!!! She is not! Well maybe just a
little... but she is so nice. How maybe girls do you know who would
dedicate themselves like that? In the movie, Hikaru said she would do
anything for her sempai. I mean I think her voice is cute and contrast with
Madoka's sometimes cold voice. Ok... if you watch too many episodes in the
row it gets a little grating so don't. She is unselfish, cute, thoughtfull,
popular, lively, well maybe I'm exaggerating a little... but she has a place
in my heart. And don't you love the way she says "darling"? Don't answer
that. I even tried to count how many times she said it. She even said it 4
times in the same sentence! Only if Ayukawa was as open as Hikaru... Don't
get me wrong I like Madoka too but I wonder if the situation is more her
fault than anyone else. I do agree with you about Hikaru interrupting
Kyousuke and Madoka though especially on the island and during the Truth
Mushroom episodes, but it sure tickled my interest. It keeps you riveted
and wanting for more KOR, like I can have enough of it... Hmmm... just
realized how much I'm going to get flames for this... oh well just my own
opinion.
Vic Sisowath
vi...@ocf.berkeley.edu
Scott Henry
Hikaru Hiyama:
"She jumps, and expects Kyousuke to catch her." I can only think of
one episode where she jumped and he didn't catch -- the one where
Kazuya didn't want to go to the dentist, so swapped with Kyosuke. As
he was walking around in Kyosuke's body, she makes her usual
"DARLINGGGGG!" flying leap at him, and Kyosuke(Kazuya) doesn't even
try to catch her. The look on her face when she realizes she isn't
going to get caught is priceless....
Hikaru is frequently in the "more annoying than cute" category, but
there is no way I can say that I hate her...
Madoka, on the other hand (preferably both hands...) is always in the
top of my list. Not always THE top, though. There's Belldandy, and
Urd, and Ai-chan, and Washiyuu, and sometimes others...
--
More useless drivel from:
Scott Henry <sco...@sgi.com> / Just Another Anime & Manga Fan
Song Ouk Bang
>
>Hikaru Hiyama:
>
>"She jumps, and expects Kyousuke to catch her." I can only think of
>one episode where she jumped and he didn't catch -- the one where
>Kazuya didn't want to go to the dentist, so swapped with Kyosuke. As
>he was walking around in Kyosuke's body, she makes her usual
>"DARLINGGGGG!" flying leap at him, and Kyosuke(Kazuya) doesn't even
>try to catch her. The look on her face when she realizes she isn't
>going to get caught is priceless....
That was hilarious! I laughed for about 30 minutes for that...
>Hikaru is frequently in the "more annoying than cute" category, but
>there is no way I can say that I hate her...
True... she is more annoying than cute... but I don't know why... but I
hate her.
>Madoka, on the other hand (preferably both hands...) is always in the
>top of my list. Not always THE top, though. There's Belldandy, and
>Urd, and Ai-chan, and Washiyuu, and sometimes others...
Belldandy and Ai-chan is also on top of my list... I don't know about
Wasyuu, since I never saw Tenchi Muyou episode 6... but Akane Tendo is
also on top of my list...
Peter Gruhn
I found they started ok. Then got annoying. By the end, I was sure that
they were serious <expletives>.
... Boku wa hon desu.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Sea Wasp
>Scott Henry <sco...@sgi.com> wrote:
>>Madoka, on the other hand (preferably both hands...) is always in the
>>top of my list. Not always THE top, though. There's Belldandy, and
>>Urd, and Ai-chan, and Washiyuu, and sometimes others...
>Belldandy and Ai-chan is also on top of my list... I don't know about
>Wasyuu, since I never saw Tenchi Muyou episode 6... but Akane Tendo is
>also on top of my list...
Any man who would put WASHU anywhere ON his Girl List is either
stupid, suicidal, or just plain crazy. She's kinda ugly, she's pitiless,
she's scheming, and she'd render you down for genetic material.
Of all the ladies in Tenchi that I'd LEAST like to have ANYTHING
to do with, Washu tops the list. Mihoshi comes in a distant second. Sure,
she's a ditz with all the brains of a mushroom and the disaster potential
of the Dirty Pair, but at least she's vaguely attractive and good at heart.
Washu HAS no heart. It was surgically removed, probably by Washu herself.
Now, BELLDANDY, on the other hand, is perfection squared. *sigh*.
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Richard Llewellyn
So that this isn't totally a new KOR thread in disquise let's get back
to the original topic for a bit.
After waiting a month for my local video store to prepare it for the
shelf I was finally able recently to rent Arcadia of My Youth. My
candidate, therefore, is that overblown idiot, Captain Harlock.
Quincy, aka
Richard Llewellyn
Science Library, University of Georgia
Internet: rl...@uga.cc.uga.edu or rl...@libris.libs.uga.edu or
llew...@phoenix.cs.uga.edu
Profess'nal Agitator
> Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which characters RAA readers
>HATED the most.
> My own "Top 5 hated" characters:
> 1) Chi-Chi (Dragonball Z)
> 2) King (Nadia)
> 3) Soari Kido (Saint Seiya)
> 4) Shinobu (This is Greenwood)
> 5) Luna (Sailor Moon)
> 5a) Madoka (KOR)
Now obviously, you had to get the ball rolling by starting off with
your own list, but if you really are interested in finding out "which
characters r.a.a. readers hated the most," it is somewhat disingenous
of you to still include Madoka.
Face it. No matter how many contrarian responses surface from the
likes of you, the False Pope, and that silly Spetznaz(?) sniper among
others, the fact of the matter is that, collectively, Madoka will
*never* make it on the top of an r.a.a. hated list. (Sadly, neither
will any of those Mun-people).
If anything, considering the large number of KOR fans here, Hikaru has
a much greater chance of making the list, though I wouldn't include
her, myself.
Collectively, I would have to say the hands down winner would have to be:
Lynn Minmei (note, spelling!) (though I wouldn't vote for her either :-)
Myself, I'd have to go with Marie (Na*ia), Quincy (BGC, but you're
supposed to hate him, so he really shouldn't count), the twerp in
Ningyo no Kizu (see note for Largo, but if anyone deserved hating, he
should top the list), and, to a lesser extent, C-ko (Project A-ko),
Komatsu and Hatta (KOR), and Ichinose Hanae (Maison Ikkoku) though
their respective series wouldn't be the same without them.
Agitator
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>I think Madoka acquired her SLAP reputation because we KOR fans talk about
>it as a source of amusement and people who haven't seen most of KOR
>took it as a common occurance.
That, and the fact they tend to be triple-taked :-)
And also show up in Anime Drinking Games (plug, plug :-)
Agitator, once more into the fray of another KOR thread
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Howard Chan
Vic Sisowath <vi...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>
> What do you mean annoying!!! She is not! Well maybe just a
>little... but she is so nice. How maybe girls do you know who would
>dedicate themselves like that? In the movie, Hikaru said she would do
>anything for her sempai. I mean I think her voice is cute and contrast with
>Madoka's sometimes cold voice. Ok... if you watch too many episodes in the
>row it gets a little grating so don't. She is unselfish, cute, thoughtfull,
>popular, lively, well maybe I'm exaggerating a little... but she has a place
>in my heart. And don't you love the way she says "darling"? Don't answer
>that. I even tried to count how many times she said it. She even said it 4
>times in the same sentence! Only if Ayukawa was as open as Hikaru... Don't
>get me wrong I like Madoka too but I wonder if the situation is more her
>fault than anyone else. I do agree with you about Hikaru interrupting
>Kyousuke and Madoka though especially on the island and during the Truth
>Mushroom episodes, but it sure tickled my interest. It keeps you riveted
>and wanting for more KOR, like I can have enough of it... Hmmm... just
>realized how much I'm going to get flames for this... oh well just my own
>opinion.
Don't worry, I'm not flaming you =)
Actually, I kinda agree with you here. In one sense, Hikaru may be
annoying to some people, but I'm not included there. Maybe she is just the
wrong person showing up at the wrong place at the wrong time all the time.
I don't think that her voice is THAT annoying ... I just feel funny and
cute when she said that "Daaaaarrrrllliiinnnggg!!"
And I agree that Hikaru is the one most dedicated to her "boyfriend" (at
least in her mind) I ever know ... And she always tries to bring joy to
others and hind all the sorrows (sp? my English is aweful) inside herself
only (except when she interupted Ayukawa and Kasuga ... which happens a
lot, unfortunately).
I actually feel sorry for her, not only in the movie but during the entire
TV series, especially in the later eps. I always think that she is the
victum of Kasuga's indecisive and Ayukawa's "self-sacrisfice" [quoted
from one of the posters some time ago]. She is innocent in this love
triangle.
David Myers
SW> From: sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
SW> Organization: University of Pittsburgh
SW> Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which characters RAA readers
SW> HATED the most.
I don't care much for Nuku Nuku's half-mad "mother".
David.
Ben Gold
wrote:
> Any man who would put WASHU anywhere ON his Girl List is either
> stupid, suicidal, or just plain crazy. She's kinda ugly, she's pitiless,
> she's scheming, and she'd render you down for genetic material.
Hey, what's wrong with the last two?
She just has, uh, trouble relating to people sometimes. From what I've
seen in the Tenchi special, she's not so bad when she's not inside her own
domain, where she has practically infinite power. Tenchi trusted her
enough to let her sleep in the same room as him, along with Ryo-oh-ki and
Sasami...
Besides, she DOES do favors for people, although sometimes she's a bit
annoying about it...
> Now, BELLDANDY, on the other hand, is perfection squared. *sigh*.
I haven't seen AMG, but sometimes it sounds to me like she's TOO perfect.
Ben Gold
Song Ouk Bang
>> Now, BELLDANDY, on the other hand, is perfection squared. *sigh*.
>
> I haven't seen AMG, but sometimes it sounds to me like she's
> TOO perfect.
Perfect? She's not perfect... she's TOO nice and naive... but not perfect.
Nobody's perfect... not even Madoka... (Sorry Madoka fans...)
Tony Chen
[stuffs erased]
: Collectively, I would have to say the hands down winner would have to be:
: Lynn Minmei (note, spelling!) (though I wouldn't vote for her either :-)
No way! I loved Minmei. Agreed, her character is just so so, but she had a
great voice. I still can remember We will win and Do you remember love?
You want to find the #1 hated anime character, go find someone else, not her.
I doubt if she ever make it to #1 since both you and I won't vote for her,
and I'm sure the others will find another character (probably someone from KOR,
since there's lot of debates about her :) ).
:
: Myself, I'd have to go with Marie (Na*ia), Quincy (BGC, but you're
: supposed to hate him, so he really shouldn't count), the twerp in
: Ningyo no Kizu (see note for Largo, but if anyone deserved hating, he
: should top the list), and, to a lesser extent, C-ko (Project A-ko),
: Komatsu and Hatta (KOR), and Ichinose Hanae (Maison Ikkoku) though
: their respective series wouldn't be the same without them.
:
: Agitator
: #->
I haven't seen the rest, but I certainly disagree about Marie. What do you
hate about her anyway? Though I didn't particularly love her, I don't hate
her either. Same goes for Quincy. Haven't seen the rests though, so no
comment yet.
It's hard for me to find the most hated anime character, since I tend to look
for the good and ignore the bad. Besides, my anime club only showed good stuff
(at least they considered it good).
Anyway, my most hated character is from a manga, not anime. (Thank god they
did not animate that manga)
"ANIME-MANGA FOREVER!"
Tony.
"Shojo is better than shoen. They have prettier girls."
Paroding from another r.a.a poster's .sig:
"Shojo! Because I find girls under 14 still innocent."
(to whomever own the original .sig: Sorry I stole your copyrighted .sig and
don't get mad either. It's just a joke :) :))
Henry Jun Wah Lee
Lynn Minmei (Macross)
Mihoshi (Tenchi Muyo)
Kodachi (Ranma 1/2)
Ki-up (Battle of the Planets) [sorry, I've never seen Gatchaman]
and who could forget...
Hikaru (Kimagure Orange Road)
As for Belldandy, she's perfect except for one thing. I don't think I'd be
able to stand listening to her for any extended period of time. Sorry,
find me a girl who has a voice that doesn't sound quite that delicate.
Tony Chen
: Here's my vote for the most HATED:
:
: Lynn Minmei (Macross)
~~~~~~~~~~~
Again, Minmei was voted as most hated. Why? I haven't seen many of Robotech,
but from the Macross movie, and whatever view I can see from Robotech, Min-
mei is fine. She's beautiful (but every anime-girls is), she doesn't have
an annoying over-repeated line (maybe in Robotech, but that's Macekered, so
that doesn't count), she doesn't have any major personal fault (she can't
possibly worse than Hikaru from KOR), and she does have a beautiful voice
(including the few Robotech songs I've heard).
So, people, why do you hate Lynn Minmei? It's fine with me if you hated
her because of Robotech (although it still hurt me if you put her as #1 hated)
but because of Macross?
"ANIME-MANGA FOREVER!"
Tony.
(a devout Minmei's fan and defender)
Song Ouk Bang
>Here's my vote for the most HATED:
>
>Lynn Minmei (Macross)
>Mihoshi (Tenchi Muyo)
>Kodachi (Ranma 1/2)
>Ki-up (Battle of the Planets) [sorry, I've never seen Gatchaman]
>
>and who could forget...
>
>Hikaru (Kimagure Orange Road)
Thank you! I thought maybe everybody out there are Hikaru fan... just like
Vic said... Ah Vic! Here's one more member for the "Darling" hater!!! =)
R Mitsuyuki Miyashiro
>I don't think the series would have been any good without her.
>
computer.
-Tokio D Randall
Wei Xiong
>>and who could forget...
>>
>>Hikaru (Kimagure Orange Road)
>Thank you! I thought maybe everybody out there are Hikaru fan... just like
>Vic said... Ah Vic! Here's one more member for the "Darling" hater!!! =)
> Song
Ahhhh, I see Hikaru is on the top of the list again.
By the way, as much as Hikaru annoys me, I DON'T hate her.
(This comes from a guy who has Madoka pictures all over the place, walls,
ceiling, shelf, computer, folder, wallet...)
C-ko is worse.
Wei Xiong
>In article <2hcke5$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Wei Xiong <wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>I think Madoka acquired her SLAP reputation because we KOR fans talk about
>>it as a source of amusement and people who haven't seen most of KOR
>>took it as a common occurance.
>That, and the fact they tend to be triple-taked :-)
>And also show up in Anime Drinking Games (plug, plug :-)
>Agitator, once more into the fray of another KOR thread
Of course, my sig doesn't help our cause either. :)
David Row
> She just has, uh, trouble relating to people sometimes. From
> what I've
> seen in the Tenchi special, she's not so bad when she's not inside her own
> domain, where she has practically infinite power. Tenchi trusted her
> enough to let her sleep in the same room as him, along with Ryo-oh-ki and
> Sasami...
Somehow holding up Tenchi as a stirling example of common sense
& forward planning like this dosn't exactly inspire me with
confidence...
David Row
Sergey Shimkevich
>> Any man who would put WASHU anywhere ON his Girl List is either
>> stupid, suicidal, or just plain crazy. She's kinda ugly, she's pitiless,
>> she's scheming, and she'd render you down for genetic material.
Yeah, but if you are nice to her, she'll make you a hundred Ryoukos :-)
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Vic Sisowath
Wei Xiong <wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Ahhhh, I see Hikaru is on the top of the list again.
>By the way, as much as Hikaru annoys me, I DON'T hate her.
>(This comes from a guy who has Madoka pictures all over the place, walls,
>ceiling, shelf, computer, folder, wallet...)
>C-ko is worse.
Tell him what's up Wei! He, he, he, see and you thought that
everyone hated Hikaru. Do you now see that she has many good qualities that
balance out her other habits? I would understand annoyance but hatred...
come on that's a little strong. We also seem to agree that without Hikaru,
KOR would not be the same. I noticed that usually in animes there are
antagonists, but not in KOR. Just consider her one in the series. Except
she probably doesn't mean to be the "bad guy". And who could ask for a
better antagonist who is cute, innocent, and can say "darling" with such an
adorable voice?!! HAHAHAHA... (deranged Hikaru fan laugh).
Darling!!!
Vic Sisowath
Song Ouk Bang
> Tell him what's up Wei! He, he, he, see and you thought that
>everyone hated Hikaru.
Since you didn't mention the name, I'm guessing that you are talking to
me... Vic, Vic, Vic... I don't recall saying that everybody hates Hikaru!
Nononononono.... I said there are more Madoka fans than Hikaru fans, but
I never actually said everybody hates Hikaru...
>Do you now see that she has many good qualities that
>balance out her other habits? I would understand annoyance but hatred...
>come on that's a little strong.
Okay, let's see if it really balances out...
Annoying: (1) says "Darling" more than she breathes...
(2) always appears when Kyousuke and Madoka are by themselves...
(3) where Kyousuke is, she is ALWAYS there with him...
(4) Has that annoying "Hahahahaha" laugh....
(5) treats Yuhsaku like dirts... well, this is not really annoying,
but at least Madoka showed some kindness to Kyousuke, but
Hikaru only showed like twice or so to Yuhsaku... even if she
doesn't like him, this is not the way to treat a friend...
(6) She said, "I always knew you loved Madoka" in the movie, so I
assume that she hugged Kyousuke in front of Madoka on purpose...
what a devious way to try to take Kyousuke away from Madoka...
Well, I got a lot more, but I'll give you a chance to "balance" this out
Vic...
>We also seem to agree that without Hikaru, KOR would not be the same.
Like all the anime, someone had to suffer... and Hikaru had to be the one...
It's true that everybody suffered in the movie, but Hikaru was the one who
suffered the most. So without Hikaru, KOR would've been boring...
>I noticed that usually in animes there are
>antagonists, but not in KOR. Just consider her one in the series. Except
>she probably doesn't mean to be the "bad guy". And who could ask for a
>better antagonist who is cute, innocent, and can say "darling" with such an
>adorable voice?!!
Cute? M...maybe... Innocent? Definitely... Adorable voice??? Adorable
voice??? Adorable voice??? You mean... annoying voice...
>HAHAHAHA... (deranged Hikaru fan laugh).
Didn't I include this in my list of "annoying" things Hikaru did? Well, I'm
sure I sound as if I REALLY HATE Hikaru, but I really don't. It's just that
she's really annoying. I don't recall, but I'm sure I said "I hate Hikaru"
in the previous posts, but I really didn't mean that. It's just that since
Vic "likes" her, I had to go against him and say I "hate" her. "Hate" and
"annoying" is two different word, and Hikaru is just too annoying for me,
that's all...
E. Kontei
>
> MP> We have a "Most HATED Anime Characters!" thread that turns into
>
> The most hated anime character has to be Hathaway Noah, because he
> _cruelly and intentionally murdered_ Chien in the most famous anime
> saga ever.
He shot her out of rage. Not the same, not even close.
Now, *Quess* is another story. I know people who
actually cheer when Quess bites the big one.
(I forget how does the "Quess is not stupid." quote goes.)
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> SW> Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which characters RAA readers
> SW> HATED the most.
>I don't care much for Nuku Nuku's half-mad "mother".
I don't think we've ever seen Nuku Nuku's mother. Now, if you're
talking Akiko, there wouldn't be much of a show without her, now would there?
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>Profess'nal Agitator (agit...@kaiwan.com) wrote:
>[stuffs erased]
>: Collectively, I would have to say the hands down winner would have to be:
>: Lynn Minmei (note, spelling!) (though I wouldn't vote for her either :-)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>No way! I loved Minmei. Agreed, her character is just so so, but she had a
That's because you didn't pay attention to the spelling. You're
thinking Lynn Minmay. Minmei is ROBOTECH; Minmay is Macross.
>great voice. I still can remember We will win and Do you remember love?
Now you're really getting confused. "We will Win" is ROBOTECH, but
"Ai oboete-imasu ka" is Macross '84.
>You want to find the #1 hated anime character, go find someone else, not her.
>I doubt if she ever make it to #1 since both you and I won't vote for her,
No, Minmei is probably #1 because all the non-Gundam fans (like
myself) don't know enough about Hathaway Noah while many of the Gundam
fans would also throw their "votes" against Minmei.
>I haven't seen the rest, but I certainly disagree about Marie. What do you
>hate about her anyway? Though I didn't particularly love her, I don't hate
Well, I must admit I've seen less of Na*ia then I have of Sera-Mun
(now, that's a *scary* thought :-). But, Marie was sufficient to
turn me off from Na*ia forever. Marie fits in the category of
"requisite annoying young kid" that is so prevalent in Western sitcoms
gone bad. (eg Cosby)
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: >Profess'nal Agitator (agit...@kaiwan.com) wrote:
: >[stuffs erased]
: >: Collectively, I would have to say the hands down winner would have to be:
: >: Lynn Minmei (note, spelling!) (though I wouldn't vote for her either :-)
: > ^^^^^^^^^^^
: >No way! I loved Minmei. Agreed, her character is just so so, but she had a
:
: That's because you didn't pay attention to the spelling. You're
: thinking Lynn Minmay. Minmei is ROBOTECH; Minmay is Macross.
Despite the fact that Robotech is different from Macross, I still think that
Minmei/Minmay is the same character. But as I said before, I didn't get to
see Robotech episodes much. (TVRI and SCTV and RCTI still haven't broadcast
it in Indonesia.) So if anyone can tell me what's the difference between Minmay
and Minmei, I will appreciate it very much.
: >great voice. I still can remember We will win and Do you remember love?
:
: Now you're really getting confused. "We will Win" is ROBOTECH, but
: "Ai oboete-imasu ka" is Macross '84.
No, I'm not confused. I know "We will win" is from Robotech and "Ai oboete-
imasu ka" is from Macross '84. Read above. I tend to think that Minmei and
Minmay is the same person. BTW I would like to add whoever the singer in the
Robotech, she has done a good job. The songs are actually good. I heard she
is Reba West, is that true?
:
: >You want to find the #1 hated anime character, go find someone else, not her.
: >I doubt if she ever make it to #1 since both you and I won't vote for her,
:
: No, Minmei is probably #1 because all the non-Gundam fans (like
: myself) don't know enough about Hathaway Noah while many of the Gundam
: fans would also throw their "votes" against Minmei.
:
Oh no! Me alone against the world. Oh what the heck, I'll try anyway.
Anime characters seem to do well on this, maybe I will. :)
<scenes where Tony rallies the world not to put Minmay/Minmei on #1 Most Hated)
: >I haven't seen the rest, but I certainly disagree about Marie. What do you
: >hate about her anyway? Though I didn't particularly love her, I don't hate
:
: Well, I must admit I've seen less of Na*ia then I have of Sera-Mun
: (now, that's a *scary* thought :-). But, Marie was sufficient to
: turn me off from Na*ia forever. Marie fits in the category of
: "requisite annoying young kid" that is so prevalent in Western sitcoms
: gone bad. (eg Cosby)
:
Don't forget the fact that she was charming at the earlier episodes (ep 5-7
I believe, when Nadia first met Marie). If she was a total "requisite annoying
young kid" from the beginning, then it's okay to put them as #1 most hated,
but she was not.
: Agitator
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:
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: have to feel betrayed by the common people. Sure, they voted for
: Clinton--that's what made them so common." Jack Kemp / Kay Hutchison
: --P.J. O'Rourke, American Spectator 25th Anniv. banquet // in '96!!
You always found new quotes, don't you? :)
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Tony.
A devout Minmay fan and defender.
Curtis Hoffmann
> Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which characters RAA readers
>HATED the most.
>
> 1) Chi-Chi (Dragonball Z): At first I didn't see anything wrong
>with her. But as time goes on, it became clear that she treated Son Gokuu
>as at best an inconvenience and at worst a villain. Her attention is
>completely taken up by her son... but even there, it's a SELFISH attention.
>Things go HER way, or she sulks/insults/shouts. An all-around bitch.
Typical Japanese mother. Most Japanese can recognize her easily.
> 3) Soari Kido (Saint Seiya): Only in the first season, however.
>She grew up at the tail end of the first season. Before that point, she
>is arrogant, demanding, manipulative, everything that a spoiled brat could
>hope to be.
So, you just don't like strong-willed girls.
> 5) Luna (Sailor Moon): Usagi is just a bubblehead. Luna is a
>negatavistic little snip. She essentially drags Usagi into the whole
>conflict, then spends the rest of the series telling the poor girl how
>completely hopeless she is.
Luna is the embodyment of the Japanese social conscious.
> 5a) Madoka (KOR): Too insecure to "be herself" at all times,
>too arrogant to allow for failures in others, and prone to physical
>violence, Madoka is a perfect example of a woman who's adopted the
>behaviors of some of the worst men.
Kathleen needs to learn a lot more about Japanese society, I'm
afraid. Madoka's behavior is absolutely vital for her to survive at
school. This is the nature of Japan (especially in Tokyo) -- the ones
that don't fit in with society will be crushed (or will become the next
wave of bullies.)
My list (short):
Chibi-usa: Sailor Moon: I dislike cute, and I intensly dislike a
character who's only purpose is to create a divisive triangle (this
holds true to Hikaru's role in KOR.)
Puu: Yuu Yuu Hakusho: A weak plot device, and something not cute
enough to be as cute as the story claims it is.
Muka Muka: Muka Muka Paradise: A troublemaker with no redeemable
qualities. Survives only because it's "cute" in some way.
Disliked characters:
Most of the supporting cast of Ah! Megami-sama: They exist only to
complicate the plot. No other reason for them.
This list is also short, because I simply don't watch shows that have
many characters I don't like.
Disliked stuff for other reasons:
KOR characters: Because of the pointless bickering generated by fools
in both camps. KOR is ok, but no where near good enough to justify the
endless discussions that just won't go away. Touch is better. Slow
Step is better. Hell, KOR ended years ago, guys. Get a new hobby.
Gundam characters: Dumb, dumb, dumb. Legend of the Galactic Heroes
has better characters.
-- Curtis H. Hoffmann
Jan. 17, 1994
Roland Acton
Dragoon appeared in? And, have any fans brought this anime into the US?
Hitoshi Doi
| My list (short):
| Chibi-usa: Sailor Moon: I dislike cute, and I intensly dislike a
| character who's only purpose is to create a divisive triangle (this
| holds true to Hikaru's role in KOR.)
I like cute. Cute is good.
Chibi Usa is cute, now..
| Puu: Yuu Yuu Hakusho: A weak plot device, and something not cute
| enough to be as cute as the story claims it is.
Don't like Puu.
The only thing I like about YYH are the cels of the
female characters. (^_^;)
| Muka Muka: Muka Muka Paradise: A troublemaker with no redeemable
| qualities. Survives only because it's "cute" in some way.
Muka Muka isn't what I would call cute, but he is funny.
| Gundam characters: Dumb, dumb, dumb. Legend of the Galactic Heroes
| has better characters.
If you ignore the crybabys in Gundam, the other characters are nice.
SD Nina is very cute.
Sailor Moon S!
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In article <CK319...@jrd.dec.com>,
Curtis Hoffmann <curr...@usagi.jrd.dec.com> wrote:
>
> Disliked stuff for other reasons:
> KOR characters: Because of the pointless bickering generated by fools
>in both camps. KOR is ok, but no where near good enough to justify the
>endless discussions that just won't go away. Touch is better. Slow
>Step is better. Hell, KOR ended years ago, guys. Get a new hobby.
The first thing is: Madoka is beautiful, skillful, smart. Also, although
KOR is years old, many people in North America know this anime for only 2 - 3
years (some of them know it for only months, even only days (right John? ^_^)
And although I have been into KOR for 5 - 6 years, I still cannot find
another character who is even close to her ...
Yes, Touch is good, but it is too long. And when I read Slow Step, the
problem becomes obvious. The character design is just the same. If I place
the characters from Touch and Slow Step together, I can bet that no one
can recognize who is who ^_^
> Gundam characters: Dumb, dumb, dumb. Legend of the Galactic Heroes
>has better characters.
Agree :) How come LoGH is not popular here in N. America (at least not in
R.A.A.). When my sister borrow the tapes of LoGH around the time of my
final, I just cannot study until I watch all 54 eps. ^_^;;;
Christian Balzer
>
>
> Any man who would put WASHU anywhere ON his Girl List is either
>stupid, suicidal, or just plain crazy.
>She's kinda ugly,
Nope, she's Ryouko's mom and looks the part... ;-)
>she's pitiless,
>she's scheming,
so how does that differentiate her from the rest of the bunch (Mihosi
semi-excluded)? ;-)
>and she'd render you down for genetic material.
>
In the big picture, that's what every woman does to man, Biology 101. ;-)
> Of all the ladies in Tenchi that I'd LEAST like to have ANYTHING
>to do with, Washu tops the list. Mihoshi comes in a distant second. Sure,
>she's a ditz with all the brains of a mushroom and the disaster potential
>of the Dirty Pair, but at least she's vaguely attractive and good at heart.
>
Mihoshi is good looking and as far as I'm concerned I've been getting more
and more doubts about her lack of IQ. Remember what we see her doing
aboard her ship(s)? READING! How did she get into Washuu's lab=
>Washu HAS no heart. It was surgically removed, probably by Washu herself.
>
I don't think so, but living for over 20000 years tends to jade you
somewhat. She has a _great_ sense of humor, as far as I'm concerned. ;-)
> Now, BELLDANDY, on the other hand, is perfection squared. *sigh*.
>
Belldandy is sweet and cute and caring and all that. I like her a lot and
would probably be better of with her, but I rather have fun with Urd. ;-)
Mata ne,
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>
> Muka Muka: Muka Muka Paradise: A troublemaker with no redeemable
>qualities. Survives only because it's "cute" in some way.
>
something good, by accident or purpose remains to be decided. ;-)
> Disliked characters:
> Most of the supporting cast of Ah! Megami-sama: They exist only to
>complicate the plot. No other reason for them.
>
Without them, there would be no plot... ;-)
I like Megumi and Urd (for different reasons).
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Wei Xiong
> Disliked stuff for other reasons:
> KOR characters: Because of the pointless bickering generated by fools
>in both camps. KOR is ok, but no where near good enough to justify the
>endless discussions that just won't go away. Touch is better. Slow
>Step is better. Hell, KOR ended years ago, guys. Get a new hobby.
This has constantly irritated me, people who dislike KOR not because they
do not like it, but because there are people who do. >P
KOR may not concern you, but it does to a large number of raa readers.
If you don't want to read about it, then DON'T! No one is forcing you to.
I personally don't care for Sailor Moon articles, nor a whole bunch of others.
That's why I don't read them, but I don't go around insulting Sailor Moon fans.
E. Kontei
> curr...@usagi.jrd.dec.com (Curtis Hoffmann) writes:
> > Disliked stuff for other reasons:
> > KOR characters: Because of the pointless bickering generated by fools
> >in both camps. KOR is ok, but no where near good enough to justify the
> >endless discussions that just won't go away. Touch is better. Slow
> >Step is better. Hell, KOR ended years ago, guys. Get a new hobby.
>
> This has constantly irritated me, people who dislike KOR not because they
> do not like it, but because there are people who do. >P
Oh, I like KOR. On the other hand, *you* are starting to get annoying.
Profess'nal Agitator
>I personally don't care for Sailor Moon articles, nor a whole bunch of others.
>That's why I don't read them, but I don't go around insulting Sailor Moon fans.
Neither do I. I just insult the show directly :-)
Agitator, the original Sailor Moon Anti-Fan
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Ah, there you have it. Doi's philosophy summed up quite succinctly...
>SD Nina is very cute.
They SD'd 0083? Or is this just promotional/privilege artwork?
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>curr...@usagi.jrd.dec.com (Curtis Hoffmann) writes:
>
>> Disliked stuff for other reasons:
>> KOR characters: Because of the pointless bickering generated by fools
>>in both camps. KOR is ok, but no where near good enough to justify the
>>endless discussions that just won't go away. Touch is better. Slow
>>Step is better. Hell, KOR ended years ago, guys. Get a new hobby.
Now there you go... you just ruined my week-end. I don't understand
you people. If you don't like KOR then DON'T READ THE THREADS about it!
Sheesh you don't a high school education to know that. You have the right
to your own opinion about the anime but why post something like that. I
dislike Giant Robo but I never even bothered reading anything about it. You
should do the same, and everyone would be happy. If you're looking for a
fool just look in the mirror every morning... no need to read our posts.
KOR has maybe ended for you but personally I save a little space in my heart
just for it (especially Hikaru). So there, as for a hobby, I like to spread
the word around about KOR and get more people addicted to my favorite
anime. What's your hobby? Insult people for fun?
Darling!!!
Vic Sisowath
Quincy Santa Huoh
E. Kontei <co...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> wrote:
>Oh, I like KOR. On the other hand, *you* are starting to get annoying.
At least he's just starting. You've been annoying for quite some time. ^_^
Lancer
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steven.ba...@canrem.com (Steven Baldassarra) wrotes:
> The most hated anime character has to be Hathaway Noah, because he
>_cruelly and intentionally murdered_ Chien in the most famous anime
>saga ever.
had been killed(cruelly and intentionally murdered) by Chien if Quess
hadn't saved him by sacrificing her own life. If Hathaway wasn't there,
Chien didn't stand a chance againist Quess Paraya. She will be defeated
, sooner or later. Without the chance to murder Quess.
Earth is getting worse and worse, because adults like Chien. Hathaway
did Earth a favor by getting rid of Chien. Chien almost killed him,
and murdered Quess Paraya. It's only reasonable for Hathaway to kills
her before she kills him.
Jim Huang
Peter Evans
>>In article <12...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, sea...@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
>>wrote:
>>> Any man who would put WASHU anywhere ON his Girl List is either
>>> stupid, suicidal, or just plain crazy. She's kinda ugly, she's pitiless,
>>> she's scheming, and she'd render you down for genetic material.
>Yeah, but if you are nice to her, she'll make you a hundred Ryoukos :-)
But, having seen the damage _just_ one Ryoko can do to your
lifestyle/neighbourhood/whole damn planet,
would you really want a hundred?
Actually, I kind of like Wasshu, but then I like a lot of
strange stuff.
Peter
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| >SD Nina is very cute.
|
| They SD'd 0083? Or is this just promotional/privilege artwork?
I have some cels of SD Nina.
I think it's from the SD Gundam movie last year.
Tze-yau Huang
But it's Ok with Kermit. This one should be "clean".
steven.ba...@canrem.com (Steven Baldassarra) wrotes:
> The most hated anime character has to be Hathaway Noah, because he
>_cruelly and intentionally murdered_ Chien in the most famous anime
>saga ever.
Hathaway did the right thing to avenge sweet Quess. Beside, he would
had been killed(cruelly and intentionally murdered) by Chien if Quess
hadn't saved him by sacrificing her own life. If Hathaway wasn't there,
Chien didn't stand a chance againist Quess Paraya. She will be defeated
, sooner or later. Without the chance to murder Quess.
Earth is getting worse and worse, because of adults like Chien. Hathaway
Herbert Fung
>Kyousuke DOES like Hikaru, but as a sister, whereas it's love with
>Madoka. Kyousuke's problem is that he's too nice. He has a hard time
>telling people what they don't want to hear. He has the same trouble
>telling Hatta and Komatsu to leave him alone.
Back in the movie in the scene with Komatsu and Hatta in Kyosuke's room,
they asked him something and his response most definately led me to
believe that his feelings towards Hikaru aren't brotherly.By now I'm wondering what Wei has done to deserve so many slaps from
Ayukawa. ^_^
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Iskandar Taib
Ben Gold <gold...@student.msu.edu> wrote:
> She just has, uh, trouble relating to people sometimes. From what I've
>seen in the Tenchi special, she's not so bad when she's not inside her own
>domain, where she has practically infinite power. Tenchi trusted her
>enough to let her sleep in the same room as him, along with Ryo-oh-ki and
>Sasami...
I was wondering about that.. when Sasami walks in in the middle of the
night Washuu was already there. Does she sleep there _every_ night?
And why were they all sleeping out by the lake in the end? Did the
huge explosion destroy the house?
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>
>In article <goldbenj-2...@403cc-mac-5.cl.msu.edu>,
>Ben Gold <gold...@student.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>> She just has, uh, trouble relating to people sometimes. From what I've
>>seen in the Tenchi special, she's not so bad when she's not inside her own
>>domain, where she has practically infinite power. Tenchi trusted her
>>enough to let her sleep in the same room as him, along with Ryo-oh-ki and
>>Sasami...
>
>I was wondering about that.. when Sasami walks in in the middle of the
>night Washuu was already there. Does she sleep there _every_ night?
when Tenchi wakes up to see the "slightly" tired Ryouko... ;-)
>And why were they all sleeping out by the lake in the end? Did the
>huge explosion destroy the house?
>
Wow, the aftershocks of that explosion must have confused you mightily. ;-)
Yes, the house has been basically blown to bits and the camera pans to the
door to Washuu's "room". And they're not at the lake, but in the "room"
(I'd call it a hyperspace fold/chamber).
Song Ouk Bang
> Now there you go... you just ruined my week-end. I don't understand
>you people. If you don't like KOR then DON'T READ THE THREADS about it!
But Vic... if people who hates KOR don't read the threads about it, then
what fun is it? I like listening to other people's opinion about this anime
and why they "hate" or "like" it. And then few other people post something
about that... and so forth... that's how the real "discussion" starts at
r.a.a. Who knows? Maybe we can change the "KOR haters'" view of the show
and maybe they'll get to like it...
>Sheesh you don't a high school education to know that. You have the right
>to your own opinion about the anime but why post something like that. I
>dislike Giant Robo but I never even bothered reading anything about it.
But you never know... maybe Giant Robo will get better as the time passes
by... and more episodes are created...
>You should do the same, and everyone would be happy. If you're looking for a
>fool just look in the mirror every morning... no need to read our posts.
>KOR has maybe ended for you but personally I save a little space in my heart
>just for it (especially Hikaru). So there, as for a hobby, I like to spread
>the word around about KOR and get more people addicted to my favorite
>anime.
Like you said here, you want to get more people addicted to your (and my)
favorite anime... but if only people who likes KOR reads threads about it,
then this'll be "KOR fanclub" threads... Let's just say a guy saw the OVAs
and didn't like it too much, and when he saw the posts about it in r.a.a.,
decided not to read them... then that guy is never going to be a "KOR" fan
unless his friends like tells him to watch the TV episodes... IMO, r.a.a.
can be like his friends... tells him more information about it so he can
realize that there's more episodes than those OVAs for KOR... so I
encourage readers who hates KOR to read threads about it... who knows? Maybe
you'll see the "side" of it that you never knew before.
NORIECE
steven.ba...@canrem.com (Steven Baldassarra) wrote:
> --> m0...@tnc.UUCP (Ralph Jenkins)
>
> MP> We have a "Most HATED Anime Characters!" thread that turns into
>
> The most hated anime character has to be Hathaway Noah, because he
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> _cruelly and intentionally murdered_ Chien in the most famous anime
> saga ever.
> ---
> * DeLuxe2 1.21 #6922 * The Toronto Blue Jays - World Champions 1992-1993
I thought Noah Hathaway was a real person who starred as Atreyu in The
Neverending
Story, or are you talking about something else entirely? If not, please
update me as
to what is going on. If it is something else entirely, please ignore me
and don't flame
me.
--
NORIECE
York University
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
email => yku0...@cawc.yorku.ca
Howard Chan
Herbert Fung <herb...@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
>Previously wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Wei Xiong) wrote:
>
>>Kyousuke DOES like Hikaru, but as a sister, whereas it's love with
>>Madoka. Kyousuke's problem is that he's too nice. He has a hard time
>>telling people what they don't want to hear. He has the same trouble
>>telling Hatta and Komatsu to leave him alone.
>
>Back in the movie in the scene with Komatsu and Hatta in Kyosuke's room,
>they asked him something and his response most definately led me to
>believe that his feelings towards Hikaru aren't brotherly.
>
Oh yeah ... you reminded me about this ...
Hmmm ... what I think is that originally, Kyousuke's feeling toward Hikaru
is just like brother towards sister ... but during that 3 years between TV
and movie, his feeling may be changed. As Kurumi said in one ep (forget
which one), "friendship can change into love." That's normal, especially
with such a dedicated person as Hikaru ...
>>--
>> Wei Xiong wxi...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
>>
>> A...Ayukawa.. <SLAP!>
>
>By now I'm wondering what Wei has done to deserve so many slaps from
>Ayukawa. ^_^
I'm wondering too ... ^_^
Albert Nakano CBN
>In article <CK50o...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>
>>In article <goldbenj-2...@403cc-mac-5.cl.msu.edu>,
>>Ben Gold <gold...@student.msu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> She just has, uh, trouble relating to people sometimes. From what I've
>>>seen in the Tenchi special, she's not so bad when she's not inside her own
>>>domain, where she has practically infinite power. Tenchi trusted her
>>>enough to let her sleep in the same room as him, along with Ryo-oh-ki and
>>>Sasami...
>>
>>I was wondering about that.. when Sasami walks in in the middle of the
>>night Washuu was already there. Does she sleep there _every_ night?
>Nobody knows, but I'd guess no, since she isn't around in the first scene
>when Tenchi wakes up to see the "slightly" tired Ryouko... ;-)
>
>>And why were they all sleeping out by the lake in the end? Did the
>>huge explosion destroy the house?
>>
>Wow, the aftershocks of that explosion must have confused you mightily. ;-)
>Yes, the house has been basically blown to bits and the camera pans to the
>door to Washuu's "room". And they're not at the lake, but in the "room"
>(I'd call it a hyperspace fold/chamber).
Speaking of, did anyone notice if Mihoshi was sleeping in that group? I
didn't seem to see that fritzy hair sticking out of any of the futons.
She should be there. Afterall, she did crash. Maybe she got blown up?
Nah...
no sig yet,
Albert Nakano
Dan Bongard
>Hikaru Hiyama:
>Hikaru is frequently in the "more annoying than cute" category, but
>there is no way I can say that I hate her...
Well, fans will be fans but here's what some "normal people" thought.
Two years ago, I showed my subbed KOR tapes to my apartmentmates,
none of whom had any real interest in anime (or even fantasy or
science fiction). Needless to say, they loved it (as do any
right-thinking human beings ^_^), but the _all_ HATED Hikaru. I'll
never forget what Ann said when I implied that Hikaru gets
emotionally mauled in the KOR Movie:
"Thank god!"
This is one of the reasons why I recently switched demoted KOR from
its prior position as "my favorite anime series." Hikaru starts out
the series fine. She's even not TOO bad up until the end of the
first season. But her personality is SO one-dimensional, and her
voice is SO high-pitched and whiny (and I swear to god it gets
HIGHER pitched as the series goes along), that I feel nothing but
fear and loathing when she walks onscreen.
There. I've vented my emotions for the week. :)
dbon...@ucs.dedu
Daniel Bongard
"A pig who doesn't fly is just an ordinary pig." -- Porco Rosso
By the way, how many people agree with me that KOR would have been
better if the series had skipped directly from #19 to #47?
Ben Gold
Nakano CBN) wrote:
> Speaking of, did anyone notice if Mihoshi was sleeping in that group? I
> didn't seem to see that fritzy hair sticking out of any of the futons.
> She should be there. Afterall, she did crash. Maybe she got blown up?
> Nah...
I'm pretty sure that I DIDN'T see here there, which is interesting. I
really don't think that she's been killed, as she's just too stupid to die,
but her whereabouts are unknown. I imagine we'll probably find out about
some kind of auto-eject mechanism in her ship, but maybe instead of
physically ejecting the pilot, it 'folds' them halfway across the galaxy.
That could be interesting (Mihoshi vs. the Space Creatures. <shudder>)
Ben Gold
Jorge Donato
>
>After waiting a month for my local video store to prepare it for the
>shelf I was finally able recently to rent Arcadia of My Youth. My
>candidate, therefore, is that overblown idiot, Captain Harlock.
>
How *DARE* you??? He's one of the best characters of all time!!! You
never got to see the TV series ....
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