Finescale Modeler shows "Max Technique"!

[Mark Wilson]

In the October issue of FSM, there is an article on a SU 122 Soviet
Assault gun. What is interesting about this one is the guy does a
"black build" Max technique on it, with excellent results. Black base
coat, with green applied at the center and feathered to the edges.
It's a fairly subtle job, but looks great--a lot better than those
pure pastel weathering jobs that was all the rage a few years back
(and didn't look anything like a real tank ;)

Wonder what we'll see next?

Mark Wilson

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[Felix W.]

Believe it or not, Max Watanabe's pre-shading technique has been
around for quite a while. I don't think Max "invented" it per se -
though he was probably one of the first to apply it on anime kits.

I think pre-shading was developed by armor(tank) modelers. Off the top
of my head, I know of at least one early-mid 1990's Tamiya Model
Magazine article that had a small blurb about how the technique was
used to paint one of their 1/35 German assault guns.
Sometime in recent memory, FSM had an article on detailing Tamiya's
huge "Dragon Wagon," and the writer of that article also used
preshading to paint that model.

IIRC, aircraft modelers have also recently "discovered" preshading -
much to the chagrin of the purists. Seems the hardcore modelers feel
that preshading is too extreme for highlighting panel lines in
small-scale aircraft.
If you ask me - it looks good, so there's nothing wrong with it...

Felix

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[Mark Wilson]

Yeah, I kind of figured Max wasn't the first, but it is good to see a
technique so common in anime modeling being recognized as a valid way
to scale and weather a kit whether it is reality or fiction based.

IMO, it's the only way to do a modern fleet F-14 or F-18. And the
"too perfect" pastel chalk look that some armor guys ended up with
looked totally fake. The tank in this article looked damn convincing.

[William Cheng @Work]

Hi all,

Sorry for being so ignorant, but what is "pre-shading" - a short discription
would be helpful as well as any links to any related sites that might have
the article you mentioned or tips and photos of this effect.

Thanks, William

[Giuliano Moschini]

Pre-shading is where you paint the part with a dark color, such as a black or a brown, and then fill in the sections (panels) in
between panel lines with your main color.

By filling in the panels from the center towards the panel lines (edges), you get a "pre-shaded" look to the panels, with the darker
shades showing through at the panel lines.

Example:

http://www.wolfkeeper.org/modeling/models/gelgoog_marine/index.htm

I'm not sure if WolfKeeper actually used the pre-shading technique, but that's what pre-shading might look like if done well.

-Giuliano

"William Cheng @Work" <wm_che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GLMq7.2002$Vc5.3...@news.total.net...

[WolfKeeper]

"Giuliano Moschini" <giul...@moschini.org> wrote in
news:icNq7.475$YP.1...@news.cpqcorp.net:

> http://www.wolfkeeper.org/modeling/models/gelgoog_marine/index.htm
>
> I'm not sure if WolfKeeper actually used the pre-shading technique, but
> that's what pre-shading might look like if done well.

Sorta -- the Gelgoog was more of an experiment, since it was my first
airbrush job. The GM I did is a little closer to actual preshading.

- WK

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[Giuliano Moschini]

Which would be:

http://www.wolfkeeper.org/modeling/models/hguc_gm/index.htm

Actually, I think both examples are relevant - the Gelgoog Marine's shading is rather strong, but still proves to be a "concept"
example.

And the GM takes that concept and does it better... ;-)

-Giuliano

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[George Caswell]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Giuliano Moschini wrote:

> Which would be:
>
> http://www.wolfkeeper.org/modeling/models/hguc_gm/index.htm
>
>
> Actually, I think both examples are relevant - the Gelgoog Marine's shading is rather strong, but still proves to be a "concept"
> example.
>
> And the GM takes that concept and does it better... ;-)
>

Man, I wish the HGUC catalogue and such showed painted models. Based on
the HGUC catalogue it seemed the GM really didn't look very good. This one
looks a lot better. :)

---GEC
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"I am but the humble student, who hopes one day to snatch the resin-cast
pebble from the master's fully articulated hand."

[Andrew Ryan Chang]

George Caswell <tets...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> Man, I wish the HGUC catalogue and such showed painted models. Based on
>the HGUC catalogue it seemed the GM really didn't look very good. This one
>looks a lot better. :)

The Gundam Perfect Web has painted photos. I like the unpainted
catalog better, as I'm a snapper... and even if I wasn't, it's easier to
get a sense of what exactly there is to work with.

--
"_The Calendar._ Each week has seven days, known as: Sand Day, Mud Day,
Grues Day, Wands Day, Birthday, Frob [tm] Day, Star Day. [...] Birthday,
before the Fall of the Empire was the official observation of Dimwit
Flathead's birthday." -Encyclopedia Frobozzica.

[Paul Segal]

>Subject: Re: Sorry, but what is "pre-shading"?
>From: arc...@sfu.ca (Andrew Ryan Chang)
>Date: 9/21/01 7:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9ogj3f$6l8$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca>

>
>George Caswell <tets...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>> Man, I wish the HGUC catalogue and such showed painted models. Based on
>>the HGUC catalogue it seemed the GM really didn't look very good. This one
>>looks a lot better. :)
>
> The Gundam Perfect Web has painted photos. I like the unpainted
>catalog better, as I'm a snapper... and even if I wasn't, it's easier to
>get a sense of what exactly there is to work with.

No! No! Don't tell GEC you're a snapper...he'll eat you!

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Email: aster...@yahoo.com ICQ: 24024819 AIM: asterphage
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[William Cheng @Home]

Thanks for the reply,

Wouldn't be easier to airbrush a thin light grey along the panel lines,
after the parts were painted - instead "filling" from the inside out towards
the panel lines. Am I to understand that you would paint the entire model
black or brown, then airbrush each panel center out with white out to the
panel lines?

Thanks,
William

[Mark Wilson]

Sometimes. It is generally easier to paint a large area with an edge
cleanly than to try and paint one thin line accurately, especially on
an edge.

[George Caswell]

On 22 Sep 2001, Paul Segal wrote:

> >> Man, I wish the HGUC catalogue and such showed painted models. Based on
> >>the HGUC catalogue it seemed the GM really didn't look very good. This one
> >>looks a lot better. :)
> >
> > The Gundam Perfect Web has painted photos. I like the unpainted
> >catalog better, as I'm a snapper... and even if I wasn't, it's easier to
> >get a sense of what exactly there is to work with.
>
> No! No! Don't tell GEC you're a snapper...he'll eat you!
>

Grrrr... RAAARRR!! <chomp, chomp>

I dunno, I guess it is kind of neat that the whole HGUC line does look as
good as it does straight out of the box... But on the other hand I think it's
a lot more interesting to see what the kit has the potential to become, rather
than how it would look if purchased and assembled unpainted by an expert
modeller, 10 year old, monkey, or whoever.