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Brian
Jun 14, 2014, 9:08:06 AM6/14/14
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Recently I watched the show Gosick, and the WW2 in that show seems to be
different from the actual historical version.
It has been awhile since history class, but my understanding is that the
first military action, at least of the European portion of WW2, was the
invasion of Poland in 1939, with the tensions building basically since
the treaty of Versailles in 1918.
In fact, part of what propelled Hitler to power was the punitive nature
against Germany of that treaty.
In fact, I actually think that WW1 and WW2 were actually the same war (at
least the European part) with a period of relative calm between the
treaty of Versailles and the invasion of Poland.
It seems that the first "military action" of the Gosick version of WW2
was much earlier, in the mid 1920's.
I think the show also implied that Japan fought on the side of Europe and
the allies in the Gosick version of WW2 as opposed to the real WW2.
I don't know if this is a weird interpretation of the show, or if anyone
else got this interpretation, but it is my interpretation of the
difference between the Gosick version of WW2 and the actual historical
version.
Brian Christiansen
different from the actual historical version.
It has been awhile since history class, but my understanding is that the
first military action, at least of the European portion of WW2, was the
invasion of Poland in 1939, with the tensions building basically since
the treaty of Versailles in 1918.
In fact, part of what propelled Hitler to power was the punitive nature
against Germany of that treaty.
In fact, I actually think that WW1 and WW2 were actually the same war (at
least the European part) with a period of relative calm between the
treaty of Versailles and the invasion of Poland.
It seems that the first "military action" of the Gosick version of WW2
was much earlier, in the mid 1920's.
I think the show also implied that Japan fought on the side of Europe and
the allies in the Gosick version of WW2 as opposed to the real WW2.
I don't know if this is a weird interpretation of the show, or if anyone
else got this interpretation, but it is my interpretation of the
difference between the Gosick version of WW2 and the actual historical
version.
Brian Christiansen
Inu-Yasha
Jun 14, 2014, 9:24:56 AM6/14/14
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anime show and if so is it suppose to be fantasy or historical? If not
anime dose it purport to be a historical show? Without googling, I seem
to recall the start of WWII to be the same as you see.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Brian
Jun 14, 2014, 9:51:03 AM6/14/14
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 09:24:56 -0400, Inu-Yasha wrote:
> Well for myself, I have not heard of Gosick, so I am curious, is it an
> anime show and if so is it suppose to be fantasy or historical? If not
> anime dose it purport to be a historical show? Without googling, I seem
> to recall the start of WWII to be the same as you see.
>
I will let wikipedia explain what it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Well for myself, I have not heard of Gosick, so I am curious, is it an
> anime show and if so is it suppose to be fantasy or historical? If not
> anime dose it purport to be a historical show? Without googling, I seem
> to recall the start of WWII to be the same as you see.
>
Gosick
The show itself is available for streaming at Crunchyroll
It is probably available for purchase at the local anime store or on
Amazon or whatever, though I personally would not recommend buying it
even for "anime CD collectors."
Also, here is the Glass Reflection review of the show: https://
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocRVhfwZkR4&list=PL97331E402E68F5B5&index=18.
Brian Christiansen
GeoffC
Jun 14, 2014, 11:48:36 AM6/14/14
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I think the series was meant to be a fantasy alternative history, and
any correlation between the show and real history is accidental.
Hitler exploited the harsh reparations imposed at the end of WWI for his
own ends. It could be claimed that the Germans got off lightly after
WWI: they did not have their territory occupied (apart from a few
perpetually disputed bits), they did not have to make an unconditional
surrender, they did not have all their main urban centres bombed or
shelled to bits, and their home territory was not fought over and
occupied, and they did not suffer the huge civilian casualties endured
by the German nation in 1939-1946.
It always irritated me that the show was commonly called 'Gosick' when
'Gothic' would have been a better re-translation of the Japanese
katakana title.
any correlation between the show and real history is accidental.
Hitler exploited the harsh reparations imposed at the end of WWI for his
own ends. It could be claimed that the Germans got off lightly after
WWI: they did not have their territory occupied (apart from a few
perpetually disputed bits), they did not have to make an unconditional
surrender, they did not have all their main urban centres bombed or
shelled to bits, and their home territory was not fought over and
occupied, and they did not suffer the huge civilian casualties endured
by the German nation in 1939-1946.
It always irritated me that the show was commonly called 'Gosick' when
'Gothic' would have been a better re-translation of the Japanese
katakana title.
David Johnston
Jun 14, 2014, 1:33:27 PM6/14/14
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On 6/14/2014 7:08 AM, Brian wrote:
> Recently I watched the show Gosick, and the WW2 in that show seems to be
> different from the actual historical version.
Uh...what? Gosick is set in 1924. It doesn't have a World War II. And
> Recently I watched the show Gosick, and the WW2 in that show seems to be
> different from the actual historical version.
yes, Japan was technically on the winning side of the Great War.
Bobby Clark
Jun 14, 2014, 5:20:11 PM6/14/14
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"Brian" <brian_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 09:24:56 -0400, Inu-Yasha wrote:
>
>> Well for myself, I have not heard of Gosick, so I am curious, is it
>> an
>> anime show and if so is it suppose to be fantasy or historical? If
>> not
>> anime dose it purport to be a historical show? Without googling, I
>> seem
>> to recall the start of WWII to be the same as you see.
>>
> I will let wikipedia explain what it is:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Gosick
>
> The show itself is available for streaming at Crunchyroll
>
> It is probably available for purchase at the local anime store or on
> Amazon or whatever, though I personally would not recommend buying
> it
> even for "anime CD collectors."
Its not avaalble in North America. It was licenced by Bandai, then
>
>> Well for myself, I have not heard of Gosick, so I am curious, is it
>> an
>> anime show and if so is it suppose to be fantasy or historical? If
>> not
>> anime dose it purport to be a historical show? Without googling, I
>> seem
>> to recall the start of WWII to be the same as you see.
>>
> I will let wikipedia explain what it is:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Gosick
>
> The show itself is available for streaming at Crunchyroll
>
> It is probably available for purchase at the local anime store or on
> Amazon or whatever, though I personally would not recommend buying
> it
> even for "anime CD collectors."
never released when they stopped releasing new material. I think
Crunchyroll is your only option.
Bobby
Brian
Jun 14, 2014, 5:26:15 PM6/14/14
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so, at least the fighting in Europe was in those years.
The version of WW2 that happens in Gosick, not a historical event, but a
fictional retelling of a historical event, appears to be very different
from the actual historical event with one of those differences seeming
to be that it happened much earlier than the actual historical event.
Another difference is that a world war was perhaps much more imminent
in the mid 1920's in Gosick than in actual history.
It is like the show MASH. MASH was set in Korea, and supposedly happened
in the same time as the American involvement in that war, though a lot of
fudging has to be done to make it fit in that time line.
The Korean war as depicted in MASH is very different from the actual
historical event.
I can't reiterate it enough, there was a very big difference between the
actual historical event known as WW2 and the alternate retelling of it in
Gosick.
The fact that the actual WW2 was 15 years away in "real history" is
completely irrelevant. What does matter is when it happened in the time
line of the show, and at least it seems to me that it happened in the mid/
late 20's, not the early 40's.
Brian Christiansen.
Arne Luft
Jun 14, 2014, 8:58:27 PM6/14/14
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 16:48:36 +0100, GeoffC
<in...@sandg-anime-reviews.net> wrote:
>I think the series was meant to be a fantasy alternative history, and
>any correlation between the show and real history is accidental.
Yes, it was, but it was also about the mental manipulation of people.
<in...@sandg-anime-reviews.net> wrote:
>I think the series was meant to be a fantasy alternative history, and
>any correlation between the show and real history is accidental.
Instead of creating homunculi with the powers of an alchemist, what is
impossible, the main politician character turned people into brainless
followers, what is possible. That was an allusion to fascism.
>Hitler exploited the harsh reparations imposed at the end of WWI for his
>own ends. It could be claimed that the Germans got off lightly after
>WWI: they did not have their territory occupied (apart from a few
>perpetually disputed bits), they did not have to make an unconditional
>surrender, they did not have all their main urban centres bombed or
>shelled to bits, and their home territory was not fought over and
>occupied, and they did not suffer the huge civilian casualties endured
>by the German nation in 1939-1946.
did. For details see 'Clark, The Sleepwalkers', or 'Niall Ferguson,
The Pity of War'.
The German politicians before WWI were unable to avoid a trap, because
they didn't saw it, and fell for their own illusion of an unavoidable
war, which they believed, they could win.
In my very private opinion, Hitler was a personification of the death
instinct of the Freudian theory. This death instinct is very common
and a threat to mankind. Have a look around the Middle East. They are
the enemies.
That the Germans have fallen for Hitler, is mainly to blame the
democratic politicians and their failure in that time. We are actually
in Europe close to a similar situation of failure.
Btw, German politicians usually never learn from history. They make
the same mistakes since three and a half century, except Bismarck.
>It always irritated me that the show was commonly called 'Gosick' when
>'Gothic' would have been a better re-translation of the Japanese
>katakana title.
spoken, and not as it is written in the language, where it came from.
http://www.gosick.tv/
I.e. in German a 'cowboy' would turn into 'kauboi' (re-translated
'cowboy') using that system, but instead the Germans write 'cowboy',
and in the early days of internationalization often vocalized it
'kofboi' (re-translated 'coffboy'), because many didn't knew, how to
pronounce English in that time.
You see, it's not as easy as it seems from a natural English speaker's
view. :-)
Arne Luft
Jun 15, 2014, 12:03:22 AM6/15/14
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 02:58:27 +0200, Arne Luft
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>That the Germans have fallen for Hitler, is mainly to blame the
>democratic politicians and their failure in that time. We are actually
>in Europe close to a similar situation of failure.
If I may add something:
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>That the Germans have fallen for Hitler, is mainly to blame the
>democratic politicians and their failure in that time. We are actually
>in Europe close to a similar situation of failure.
In the USA the rise of the Tea Party is a similar signal of the
desperate situation, the caste of our democratic politicians are in,
and that they have no clue, what to do.
Back to anime: The reason of the high attractiveness of "Attack on
Titan" or "Knights of Sidonia" is that people realize the change in
the political situation: Playtime is over, reality is kicking in.
The mangas, which are the source of these animes, have started both
2009.
Inu-Yasha
Jun 15, 2014, 8:23:13 AM6/15/14
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not as cut and dried as we think, then he switched and was trying (I
think) to describe the situation leading up to the historical (not
fantasy) WWI. I figure he will chime in with a post to clear our minds
up. Thanks Arne for the viewpoint from the German side.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Inu-Yasha
Jun 15, 2014, 2:26:41 PM6/15/14
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Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
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