ANE (Anime News Editorial) - "Not Anime's Fault"
Antonio E. Gonzalez
and the media coverage that surrounded it . . .:
<http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/ir/marzgurl/ane/15228-ep010>
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/yfrgd3v>
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- ReFlex76
Starcade
The problem is (and we see it in the news on both sides of the
Pacific) that the anime caters to a lot of that instability.
One has to wonder if the lawless nature of the anime fandom and the
content feed off of each other, and that this (and the seiyuu
stalkers, and the convention gropers, etc.). It's something I see
growing more and more as the line between anime and porn/child porn
continues to be blurred.
Mike
Arnold Kim
"Antonio E. Gonzalez" <AntE...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:vaejj5tplsgcftium...@4ax.com...
The concern over the impression that this casts about the anime fan
community is hugely overblown, IMO. Most people I would gather don't really
have a huge opinion about anime fans one way or the other- at least no worse
than that of other comic book or sci-fi fans.
Arnold Kim
bil...@yahoo.com
<darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>She's right: They were both very unstable types.
I don't want to pass any judgement on eaither of them. I don't know
them. I've never met them. 'nuff said.
>The problem is (and we see it in the news on both sides of the
>Pacific) that the anime caters to a lot of that instability.
Mike, I'm really sorry. I have to strongly disagree with you on this
one. The people that run the anime track at my con are some of the
nicest people you'd ever want to meet. Many of the anime people here
on Long Island are highly respected scientists, engineers,
administrators and technicians at the nearby Brookhaven National Labs
and within Stony Brook University itself (where we hold the con).
>One has to wonder if the lawless nature of the anime fandom and the
>content feed off of each other,
At the anime showings everybody's usually pretty well behaved.
However, there is no doubt it: Although we do check ID's at the
late-night Ecchi / Hentai showings, you do get the occasional
question: "It's censored, so what's the point". I honestly don't
think that has anything to do with any type of serious sexual mental
disease. It's simply this: Although these students from the
university are now at least 18, and can watch hentai / ecchi showings,
they're too young to know about the old Japan Self-Censorship Laws.
When we get the "What's the point" question, the veteran staff can
quickly and efficently explain it to the newbies. The usually don't
like that answer, but they do accept it.
>and that this (and the seiyuu
>stalkers, and the convention gropers, etc.).
We have a good security company called CSS. On top of that we have the
University Police, Suffolk County Police and New York State Troopers.
It's more than enough.
> It's something I see
>growing more and more as the line between anime and porn/child porn
>continues to be blurred.
>
>Mike
I don't even want to touch this. I'm not going there.
Thank you all very much for your time and consideration in this
matter.
Regards,
Bill N.
Dealer's Room Staff
Icon Science Fiction, Inc.
Holbrook, NY
We are a registered 501 c3 charity.
Starcade
> >She's right: They were both very unstable types.
>
> I don't want to pass any judgement on eaither of them. I don't know
> them. I've never met them. 'nuff said.
Bill, I think that there's enough there to indicate that there's
belief that both of them had a screw or too loose.
I think one of the most prescient points in the entire situation was
when the editorial showed the picture the police were provided of the
girl -- and then it showed a more recent and accurate picture of the
girl. Yeah, real stable... Yeah...
> >The problem is (and we see it in the news on both sides of the
> >Pacific) that the anime caters to a lot of that instability.
>
> Mike, I'm really sorry. I have to strongly disagree with you on this
> one. The people that run the anime track at my con are some of the
> nicest people you'd ever want to meet.
I didn't say the people who run the cons, though I have serious issues
with many of them.
Read ANN, and you'll see at least one stalking report of a guy in
Japan arrested for going after a seiyuu every few weeks, if not
getting more and more common.
If you actually saw some of the attendees at the con you run, I'd have
questions. Remember: I've attended a con where two prominent US
voice actresses were sexually assaulted, and a third was threatened
with such (and the third was actually propositioned for such by a
girl!).
I understand your wish to defend the anime fandom, Bill, but I'm not
going to bite on that. I've witnessed different. I have been to a
number of shows where the show has either been forced out, forced to
go out of existence, or forced to ramp up security because of
significant fan misconduct. And if you think that's a bunch of stable
types, I can't agree.
> Many of the anime people here
> on Long Island are highly respected scientists, engineers,
> administrators and technicians at the nearby Brookhaven National Labs
> and within Stony Brook University itself (where we hold the con).
I would hope that would mean they understand their position, but I
cannot say honestly that I can give blanket license on that.
> >One has to wonder if the lawless nature of the anime fandom and the
> >content feed off of each other,
>
> At the anime showings everybody's usually pretty well behaved.
> However, there is no doubt it: Although we do check ID's at the
> late-night Ecchi / Hentai showings, you do get the occasional
> question: "It's censored, so what's the point".
I'm not just talking the screenings, sir. Maybe it's an East Coast/
West Coast thing, but I can tell you with a fair amount of certainty
that several of the cons I have attended have teetered on the edge of,
if not gone, out of control.
> I honestly don't think that has anything to do with any type of serious sexual mental
> disease. It's simply this: Although these students from the
> university are now at least 18, and can watch hentai / ecchi showings,
> they're too young to know about the old Japan Self-Censorship Laws.
> When we get the "What's the point" question, the veteran staff can
> quickly and efficently explain it to the newbies. The usually don't
> like that answer, but they do accept it.
The problem being is that the content over in Japan is increasingly
coming to that line (which see the calls for more controls on "virtual
porn"), and (again, on both sides of the Pacific) we are seeing
conduct in the fanbase which would justify the fears of the person
doing the editorial.
I do NOT believe anime, as an industry, is blameless for this
incident. I don't believe they get 100% of the blame either.
> >and that this (and the seiyuu stalkers, and the convention gropers, etc.).
>
> We have a good security company called CSS. On top of that we have the
> University Police, Suffolk County Police and New York State Troopers.
> It's more than enough.
Trust me from experience, if someone wanted a shot at somebody, a real
shot, you'd only be "more than enough" _after the fact_. You cannot
take that chance.
There are conventions at which I've openly proposed the local police
actually set up shop at the convention (as in a temporary station). I
also truly believe that anime conventions would be significantly
restricted in many locations if the local authorities knew what went
on at many of them.
> > It's something I see
> >growing more and more as the line between anime and porn/child porn
> >continues to be blurred.
> I don't even want to touch this. I'm not going there.
Bill, with a lot of the material coming out of Japan, you had better
take that statement seriously and "go there".
Mike