Tish Ledoux, a retrospective???
Knudsen
Anyone remember when Trish Ledoux turned the letter column of Animerica
into her little personal feminist club? I mean, you buy an anime magazine to
read about anime, right? And preferably letters about anime? So ah, what was
with all the off-topic junk in that column, and the drawings of her in her ugly
dominatrix suit?
Even my female anime-fan friends thought that it was really annoying and a
waste of paper that could be used for anime-related discussion.
Anyone else remember that fiasco? Say, what ever happend to ol Trish
Ledoux? I talked to her at a convention a couple of times years ago. Is
Animerica even still around? Who is the editor now? Hopefully someone more
interested in anime than their petty personal whining.
We toured like maniacs and released six albums, and from time to time we had
some of our songs played on the radio. We never fit in too well in the rock
world, but many people were kind enough or not conspicuously cool enough to
worry about such things
Leaping Larry Jojo
Rea Konecki <kone...@cmich.edu> wrote in message
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> >
> > Anyone else remember that fiasco? Say, what ever happend to ol
Trish
> > Ledoux? I talked to her at a convention a couple of times years ago. Is
> > Animerica even still around? Who is the editor now? Hopefully someone
more
> > interested in anime than their petty personal whining.
>
adaptaion
> primarily.
>
> Animerica is still around but has a new editor. I don't remember her name
but she
> is from Michigan.
>
Julie Davis. Ledoux is still involved with Animerica, but she's been 'self
demoted' of sorts.
Jojo
Rea Konecki
> Anyone else remember that fiasco? Say, what ever happend to ol Trish
> Ledoux? I talked to her at a convention a couple of times years ago. Is
> Animerica even still around? Who is the editor now? Hopefully someone more
> interested in anime than their petty personal whining.
Trish is still around at Viz I think doing translation and script adaptaion
primarily.
Animerica is still around but has a new editor. I don't remember her name but she
is from Michigan.
As petty personal whining, I think that you have that covered quite nicely.
Ja Ne
Rea
Quote of the Moment:
"Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence
of the fact."
- George Eliot (1819-1880)
Duo Maxwell
"Knudsen" <knuds...@aol.comERASEMME> wrote in message
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> Hello all! My name is Mendou. What's up? I'm an old-school anime fan.
>
> Anyone remember when Trish Ledoux turned the letter column of
Animerica
> into her little personal feminist club? I mean, you buy an anime magazine
to
> read about anime, right? And preferably letters about anime? So ah, what
was
> with all the off-topic junk in that column, and the drawings of her in her
ugly
> dominatrix suit?
Never remember this.
> Even my female anime-fan friends thought that it was really annoying
and a
> waste of paper that could be used for anime-related discussion.
That's Animerica now. If it isn't Viz, or shown free on television, they
really
don't cover it much.
> Anyone else remember that fiasco? Say, what ever happend to ol Trish
> Ledoux? I talked to her at a convention a couple of times years ago. Is
> Animerica even still around? Who is the editor now? Hopefully someone more
> interested in anime than their petty personal whining.
Hopefully gone far far away, and taken everyone else there with her.
Animerica sucketh greatly.
The old Anime UK was much better, and Protoculture Addicts still is.
Well, as long as you can handle that nearly everyone at PA seems to
have English as a second language...
Erik Schultz
<20010406182013...@ng-me1.aol.com>:
>Hello all! My name is Mendou. What's up? I'm an old-school anime fan.
Hi. Me too.
> Anyone remember when Trish Ledoux turned the letter column of
> Animerica
>into her little personal feminist club? I mean, you buy an anime
>magazine to read about anime, right? And preferably letters about anime?
>So ah, what was with all the off-topic junk in that column, and the
>drawings of her in her ugly dominatrix suit?
I subscribed to Animerica when it first started. I let my subscription
lapse after they did a friggin interview with the cast of Ranma 1/2. I
don't mean the voice actors. I mean an imaginary interview with Ranma and
Nabiki and shit. I have been proud to boycott Viz ever since the LoGH
debacle. I almost relented, but then they tried jerking Otakon around. I
saw they're running Marionette Generation now... too bad. Now I'll have to
keep an eye out for the originals... other then the scattered few chapters
I have in decade-old Newtypes...
Danielle Scott
Knudsen wrote:
>
> Hello all! My name is Mendou. What's up? I'm an old-school anime fan.
>
> Anyone remember when Trish Ledoux turned the letter column of Animerica
> into her little personal feminist club? I mean, you buy an anime magazine to
> read about anime, right? And preferably letters about anime? So ah, what was
> with all the off-topic junk in that column, and the drawings of her in her ugly
> dominatrix suit?
Damn nigga, Trish is no Courtney Love wtf is up with THAT!
As Casey Casem would say "Who gives A Fuck" - U2 by Negativeland
Franklin Harris
"Duo Maxwell" <bloo...@dontspamme.com> wrote in message
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>
> That's Animerica now. If it isn't Viz, or shown free on television, they
> really
> don't cover it much.
That explains the COWBOY BEBOP and HARLOCK SAGA coverage. Oh, wait, no it
doesn't.
> Hopefully gone far far away, and taken everyone else there with her.
> Animerica sucketh greatly.
> The old Anime UK was much better, and Protoculture Addicts still is.
> Well, as long as you can handle that nearly everyone at PA seems to
> have English as a second language...
PA desperately needs copyeditors.
--
Franklin Harris
Pulp Culture Online, www.pulpculture.net
"I'm still working on that novel, but I'm just about to quit. I'm worried
about the future now, or maybe this is it." --Steely Dan, 2000
Erik Schultz
<tcu3iri...@corp.supernews.com>:
>> That's Animerica now. If it isn't Viz, or shown free on television,
>> they really
>> don't cover it much.
>
>That explains the COWBOY BEBOP and HARLOCK SAGA coverage. Oh, wait, no
>it doesn't.
They may have changed in recent years, but that's the way Animerica was
for a LONG time.
Knudsen
>Animerica sucketh greatly.
>The old Anime UK was much better, and Protoculture Addicts still is.
>Well, as long as you can handle that nearly everyone at PA seems to
>have English as a second language...
LOL, good point. Still, those mags bring back some memories from when anime
was still an obscure pursuit, conventions were fun, and anime was about more
than Pokemon and Gundam Wing.
Knudsen
Yeah, I have all the issues from the first cuople of years.
>I let my subscription
>lapse after they did a friggin interview with the cast of Ranma 1/2. I
>don't mean the voice actors. I mean an imaginary interview with Ranma and
>Nabiki and shit
Yeah, that was pretty BAD. All the good content out there ready to be
printed and they waste space with junk like that. It wasn't even convincingly
written.
>I almost relented, but then they tried jerking Otakon around. I
>saw they're running Marionette Generation now... too bad. Now I'll have to
>keep an eye out for the originals... other then the scattered few chapters
>I have in decade-old Newtypes...
Yeah, how about the shameless promotion of Viz materials in the mag? Sure
they covered other stuff, but not with teh same gusto and heaps of praise as
their own properties.
Hey, it's good to be back on this group!
Knudsen
>> with all the off-topic junk in that column, and the drawings of her in her
>ugly
>> dominatrix suit?
>
>Damn nigga, Trish is no Courtney Love wtf is up with THAT!
I'm not real sure who this comment is supposed to be making fun of..
Kwesi Ako Kennedy
Danielle Scott wrote:
>
> Knudsen wrote:
> >
> > Hello all! My name is Mendou. What's up? I'm an old-school anime fan.
> >
> > Anyone remember when Trish Ledoux turned the letter column of Animerica
> > into her little personal feminist club? I mean, you buy an anime magazine to
> > read about anime, right? And preferably letters about anime? So ah, what was
> > with all the off-topic junk in that column, and the drawings of her in her ugly
> > dominatrix suit?
>
> Damn nigga, Trish is no Courtney Love wtf is up with THAT!
This is where I realize that Tokyo Breakfast clip (along with the
pantheon of less than stellar radio rap) may have done more harm than
first realized.....
Later...
Kwesi K.
(who can see the "humor" but sill isn't laughing)
jumex
> debacle. I almost relented, but then they tried jerking Otakon around.
Woah, was Viz the group that the LoGH producers said dicked them around for
such a long time?
I heard another rumor that Pioneer might be looking into picking up LoGH
too.
Man I hope someone does. I just finished watching all 110 of the main series
and want to see it in English (or at least subbed) :)
jumex
--
Trevor Menagh
http://www.trevreport.org/
"Ginga no rekishi ga mada ichi peeji."
Invid Fan
<knuds...@aol.comERASEMME> wrote:
> Hello all! My name is Mendou. What's up? I'm an old-school anime fan.
>
> Anyone remember when Trish Ledoux turned the letter column of Animerica
> into her little personal feminist club? I mean, you buy an anime magazine to
> read about anime, right? And preferably letters about anime? So ah, what was
> with all the off-topic junk in that column, and the drawings of her in her
> ugly
> dominatrix suit?
>
If you want 'old school', you have to go back to her editorial columns
in Animag. They could get pretty wacky :) A friend of mine didn't care
for her personaly, having seen her at conventions way back when she was
just an otaku who dressed up in sexy outfits. The drawings in Animerica
were accurate representations of her fan persona.
--
Chris Mack "Never let two artists marry! Always push the
'Invid Fan' painter down the well! GRR! I CAN'T FORGET!"
-Quinton, 'Thieves & Kings'
In...@localnet.com
Arnold Kim
Erik Schultz <er...@pond.com> wrote in message
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Not these days, especially since Viz has only been releasing one anime
series in the recent past. Plus I flip through the magazine at the magazine
rack at Borders once in a while, and I haven't seen any mention of Ranma in
a long time.
That said, I really don't have much use for buying it anymore. Why pay for
it when you can get the same thing or better for free on the internet? I
have akadot, Anime News Service, Anime News Network, Anime Jump, and Anime
on DVD all bookmarked, and together they're giving me more than Animerica
ever did. I'll admit, I like to read the creator and voice actor
interviews, but that isn't exactly worth $5 a pop.
I'll admit that it's a great place to go if you don't have internet access
or are a relative newbie to anime (or a fan of the Galaxy Express 999 manga)
but other than that...
Arnold Kim
well, it also makes for good bathroom reading....^^
Franklin Harris
True. But it's a rap that no longer applies. Besides, there aren't enough
Viz Video titles out there these days to fill ANIMERICA.
Franklin Harris
"Ken Arromdee" <arro...@rahul.net> wrote in message
news:9anevi$qna$1...@samba.rahul.net...
> In article <tcu3iri...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Franklin Harris <fran...@pulpculture.net.nospam> wrote:
> >> That's Animerica now. If it isn't Viz, or shown free on television,
they
> >> really
> >> don't cover it much.
> >That explains the COWBOY BEBOP and HARLOCK SAGA coverage. Oh, wait, no it
> >doesn't.
>
The point is that cover it quite a bit. HARLOCK, for example, is on the
current cover.
Franklin Harris
"Arnold Kim" <ki...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> I'll admit that it's a great place to go if you don't have internet access
> or are a relative newbie to anime (or a fan of the Galaxy Express 999
manga)
> but other than that...
But in the last case, you're better off waiting for those nice, fat
compilations.
Knudsen
>in Animag. They could get pretty wacky :) A friend of mine didn't care
>for her personaly, having seen her at conventions way back when she was
>just an otaku who dressed up in sexy outfits.
Maybe the oufits are sexy... I can't say the same for her. I think she's a
cow. I think she is a whiney psuedo-feminist because no guys like her and she
has a chip on her shoulders.
Actually she was pretty chilled out when I talked to her. I wonder which is
the real Piss Ledoux, the magazine ranter or the person you talk to... hmm... I
also wonder why I or anyone else cares. Maybe because she's a fun and easy
target?
Leaping Larry Jojo
Knudsen <knuds...@aol.comERASEMME> wrote in message
> >If you want 'old school', you have to go back to her editorial columns
> >in Animag. They could get pretty wacky :) A friend of mine didn't care
> >for her personaly, having seen her at conventions way back when she was
> >just an otaku who dressed up in sexy outfits.
>
> Maybe the oufits are sexy... I can't say the same for her. I think
she's a
> cow. I think she is a whiney psuedo-feminist because no guys like her and
she
> has a chip on her shoulders.
>
> Actually she was pretty chilled out when I talked to her. I wonder
which is
> the real Piss Ledoux, the magazine ranter or the person you talk to...
hmm... I
> also wonder why I or anyone else cares. Maybe because she's a fun and easy
> target?
>
Your second paragraph seems to clash with your first.
Jojo
SilverJain
has a chip on her shoulders. >>
And of course, this is the only reason women become feminists.....? Um, yeah...
whatever....
Wow, I had no idea KJ Karvonen was back on the anime newsgroups.....
--Elin
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Blade
knuds...@aol.comERASEMME says...
>
>>If you want 'old school', you have to go back to her editorial columns
>>in Animag. They could get pretty wacky :) A friend of mine didn't care
>>for her personaly, having seen her at conventions way back when she was
>>just an otaku who dressed up in sexy outfits.
>
> Maybe the oufits are sexy... I can't say the same for her. I think she's a
>cow. I think she is a whiney psuedo-feminist because no guys like her and she
>has a chip on her shoulders.
...
SHE has a chip on her shoulder? <laugh> She's not the one strolling in here and
starting a hate thread, now is she?
> Actually she was pretty chilled out when I talked to her. I wonder which is
>the real Piss Ledoux, the magazine ranter or the person you talk to... hmm... I
>also wonder why I or anyone else cares. Maybe because she's a fun and easy
>target?
Well, there will always be assholes who get a kick out of taking shots at people
who aren't around to defend themselves. Maybe you're one of them.
Or maybe you're just a troll.
Either way, you're a pretty poor excuse for a human being.
Blade
Invid Fan
<knuds...@aol.comERASEMME> wrote:
> >If you want 'old school', you have to go back to her editorial columns
> >in Animag. They could get pretty wacky :) A friend of mine didn't care
> >for her personaly, having seen her at conventions way back when she was
> >just an otaku who dressed up in sexy outfits.
>
> Maybe the oufits are sexy... I can't say the same for her. I think she's
> a
> cow. I think she is a whiney psuedo-feminist because no guys like her and she
> has a chip on her shoulders.
>
I have no opinion of her looks, having not seen a picture of her in
some time. My image of her is just someone who likes the spotlight. Or
did, back in the days of fanzines.
David Crowe
: > Nabiki and shit. I have been proud to boycott Viz ever since the LoGH
: > debacle. I almost relented, but then they tried jerking Otakon around.
: Woah, was Viz the group that the LoGH producers said dicked them around for
: such a long time?
No, this was in regard to a fansubber doing LoGH and complaining that Viz
was acting against fansubs with the creation of JAILED. An old-time flame
fest, that was.
--
David "No Nickname" Crowe Website currently being moved
Now at jet...@illusions.com
AntEGM111
>debacle.
LoGH? Ok, I've been into anime since I was very little. I was born in
Peru, and half the cartoons/programing was anime (70's stuff). My move to the
US in 1985 sort of isolated me, since anime has been in NA in spurts. Let's
say I didn't REALLY get back into anime until my college years (90's), so, as
part of re-assimilation, what does LoGH stand for? (I just know I'll go "of
course!" when I get the answer . . .)
Nargun
Legend of galactic heros, aka Ginga no eiyuu no densetsu IIRC, aka
homo^H^H^H^Hboring germans in space.
Louis
--
Louis Patterson l.patt...@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au
Christopher Beilby
> Legend of galactic heros, aka Ginga no eiyuu no densetsu IIRC, aka
> homo^H^H^H^Hboring germans in space.
So, tell me something, Nargun. Is there something about anime with an
actual story that you don't like?
Erik Schultz
<HXUz6.160$pH.1...@sydney.visi.net>:
Actually, that's how fans of the series often describe it to others,
including myself. ^_^ LoGH is definitely not for everyone.
Knudsen
>Jojo
That's a hallmark of my personality and the way I think. No one viewpoint is
the *right* viewpoint, it's more subjective than that.
Knudsen
>and
>starting a hate thread, now is she?
Can't you read between the lines, man?
>Well, there will always be assholes who get a kick out of taking shots at
>people
>who aren't around to defend themselves. Maybe you're one of them.
Nah, I just thought her little trip was funny. Actually I am a veteran of
countless majestic flame wars (I just got through with one on
rec.music.classical, that got up to almost 300 posts), I would LOVE it if she
were actually here. She'd probably get her jollies that anyone is yapping about
her at all!
>Or maybe you're just a troll.
You know, all the critiscisms you are laying against me I layed against
myself already in previous posts... What's it all mean?
>Either way, you're a pretty poor excuse for a human being.
No, I'm merely multi-faceted. No one is all-good or all-bad.
I was waiting for a derogatory post towards me, ah, it's nice to be back
on the anime groups after all these years. Rock on!
Nargun
I've only seen four eps; I have no particular opinion on the show. But it
*is* known as "boring germans in space"...
Jason Heavensrun
>>and
>>starting a hate thread, now is she?
>
> Can't you read between the lines, man?
>
>>Well, there will always be assholes who get a kick out of taking shots at
>>people
>>who aren't around to defend themselves. Maybe you're one of them.
>
> Nah, I just thought her little trip was funny. Actually I am a veteran of
>countless majestic flame wars (I just got through with one on
>rec.music.classical, that got up to almost 300 posts), I would LOVE it if she
>were actually here. She'd probably get her jollies that anyone is yapping
>about
>her at all!
>
>>Or maybe you're just a troll.
>
> You know, all the critiscisms you are laying against me I layed against
>myself already in previous posts... What's it all mean?
>
>>Either way, you're a pretty poor excuse for a human being.
>
> No, I'm merely multi-faceted. No one is all-good or all-bad.
>
> I was waiting for a derogatory post towards me, ah, it's nice to be back
>on the anime groups after all these years. Rock on!
Indeed.
Well, I had been ignoring this thread from the start, honestly, as it was very
obvious very early that this was little more then a Trish bashing thread.
I, personally, could care less about other people's opinions of Trish Ledoux.
She is who she is. I don't know her, she's not a friend of mine, and I don't
know enough about her to have respect or disrespect for her.
But the fact of the matter is that there is a certain moral issue here. It
simply isn't right to mock a person behind their back. As someone who has
friends who are overweight, personally, I thought the "cow" line was out of
line to begin with, but more then that, EVERY individual deserves the chance to
defend themselves from verbal assault, be they individual, part of a group,
celebrity or obscure. This kind of simple disrespect for our fellow human
beings is the central core of what is wrong in the world today.
This isn't to say I'm guiltless of that. We all get frustrated and disgusted
with other people, and we often make our opinions known to our friends and
those around us. But I try to be fair to people whenever I can, and this kind
of personal bashing in a public forum while the person is not here to defend
themselves is simply a low, dispicable act. I don't know you personally, and I
don't know if there are good aspects to your personality, but simply from your
comments in this thread, I have a heavy disrespect for you and you have thrown
away a great deal of any potential credibility you might have had if we were to
get into a -real- discussion about a subject that is actually RELEVANT to the
topic of this group.
That being said, I think your words in this thread have been uncalled for and
rude, as well as unnessecary and off-topic. And I think you -and- anyone else
who has been mocking Ms Ledoux personally should take a serious look at the
kind of person you are. It's truely sad that you feel this need to validate
your own superiority by attacking someone who can't defend themselves, and in
that respect, I regard you as no better then a common schoolyard bully, and I
like to think that there are other people on this group who agree with me in
that respect.
I'm not going to comment on this matter any further, as everything I have to
say I've said, and quite honestly dealing with people like you is a waste of my
time. You'd do well to consider what I've said, though.
Remove the "missary" from "commisary" to e-mail
http://www.wizard.net/~deva/check/
Jason Heavensrun
AKA the Intermittent Admin...
Founder and current Nantan of the Global Ranma Insanity Thread...
"Verfluchen Sie jene schlechten Kraken..."
Blade
knuds...@aol.comERASEMME says...
>>SHE has a chip on her shoulder? <laugh> She's not the one strolling in here
>>and
>>starting a hate thread, now is she?
>
> Can't you read between the lines, man?
What, for you? No, as a point of fact I guess I can't. Mind telling me how
such descriptions as "Piss Ledoux" and "what a cow" express your affectionate
exasperation as opposed to being petty name-calling?
>>Well, there will always be assholes who get a kick out of taking shots at
>>people
>>who aren't around to defend themselves. Maybe you're one of them.
> Nah, I just thought her little trip was funny. Actually I am a veteran of
>countless majestic flame wars (I just got through with one on
>rec.music.classical, that got up to almost 300 posts), I would LOVE it if she
>were actually here. She'd probably get her jollies that anyone is yapping about
>her at all!
I'll bet you would. Were you around when they flamed her off these newsgroups
in the first place? Guess she -doesn't- get jollies from fanboys calling her
names and making disparaging remarks about her looks.
>>Or maybe you're just a troll.
> You know, all the critiscisms you are laying against me I layed against
>myself already in previous posts... What's it all mean?
I don't really care. You mean nothing to me. It just irritates me to see
people like you get their kicks from insulting other people on a public forum
when they're not around to defend themselves. I kept quiet for awhile, but your
last post with the "cow" and "Piss Ledoux" comments, plus your hypocritical
little inanity about how she supposedly has a chip on her shoulder, was just a
little too much to swallow.
If you don't like her views on things, fine. If you think her editing and
translation work sucks, great. If you want to dredge up the ghost of her
voiceacting as Princess Kahm, go right ahead. Talk about them all you like,
because that's her actual WORK, which she has put out into a public forum, and
which she could not possibly expect wouldn't be scrutinized by fandom.
But she is a human being. If somebody made a note, say, of pictures they had
put up of their cosplay costumes, would you reply with "well, the outfits were
okay, but frankly, you're a fat cow and shouldn't wear them"?
If yes, you've proved my point about your being an asshole.
If no, why is it not okay to do that, but perfectly okay to say it about someone
whose only sin is that she happens to be a professional in the business?
>>Either way, you're a pretty poor excuse for a human being.
> No, I'm merely multi-faceted. No one is all-good or all-bad.
So?
> I was waiting for a derogatory post towards me, ah, it's nice to be back
>on the anime groups after all these years. Rock on!
I've been around for over six years. I'm also an RAA vet. I probably flamed
you before you left, too. Goodness knows there's been enough like you.
Sometimes the people in this hobby repulse me.
Blade
James 'Tengu' King
news:9ar0i...@drn.newsguy.com...
<Snip knudsen's wingeing and Blade's admirably calm response (and given that
Blade was a tad harsh, imagine what I think it deserves)>
> Sometimes the people in this hobby repulse me.
Aye. Well, sometimes a certain subset of people in this hobby repulse me.
The 'I'm more Otaku than you' anti-pros who believe being old enough to know
what anime was before the days of fansubs makes them better than us peons
who were watching Robotech for the first time with a bowl of over-sugared
cereal while they were watching grainy 20th generation copies of
untranslated Mach Go-Go-Go with a torn coffee-stained script.
Yes, things were so much better then, when you had to ignore the animation
of the anime so you could read the script.
If that kind of arrogance it what it means to be an old-timer, I'm glad to
remain a newbie. (Actually, to be honest, I think I suffered from, and grew
out of, that sort of attitude in the early days of my fandom.)
--
James 'Tengu' King - The Tanuki of Total Bewilderment
"Hello, Mr. Postmodern"
-Lyabibrave referring to me on r.a.a.m.
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A moment of kindness like that in a dream
Your innocent eyes, have yet no idea
of the path your destiny will follow...
- Cruel Angel's Thesis - English Translation
David Watson
the reason why she is a mortal enemy of mine and someone who I will never
forgive as long as I draw breath, in merely four words: "Video Girl Ai
dub." She didn't do the sub a lot of favours, either, so she's on my
shitlist permenantly. Say what you like about me, but ruin my favourite
anime and I will curse you to live the rest of your life the way you truly
are and be 100% aware of it.
--
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Arnold Kim
James 'Tengu' King <jvk...@3web.net> wrote in message
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> Blade <kumo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9ar0i...@drn.newsguy.com...
>
> <Snip knudsen's wingeing and Blade's admirably calm response (and given
that
> Blade was a tad harsh, imagine what I think it deserves)>
>
> > Sometimes the people in this hobby repulse me.
>
> Aye. Well, sometimes a certain subset of people in this hobby repulse me.
> The 'I'm more Otaku than you' anti-pros who believe being old enough to
know
> what anime was before the days of fansubs makes them better than us peons
> who were watching Robotech for the first time with a bowl of over-sugared
> cereal while they were watching grainy 20th generation copies of
> untranslated Mach Go-Go-Go with a torn coffee-stained script.
Good things those types seem to be endangered now, or at least outnumbered
by more reasonable folks.
> Yes, things were so much better then, when you had to ignore the animation
> of the anime so you could read the script.
To be honest, I understand how someone might be nostalgic over gathering in
a corner of a sci-fi con and watching a fifth generation unsubbed tape of
Dragon Ball- watching anime was special. And it's still special now, not
necessarily better or worse- just different. I like to look back on my
early days in fandom from seven years ago and how great it was then when I
was completely obsessed with Ranma 1/2. I of course still love anime now,
but that time then was pretty special to me.
That said, I'm still annoyed by these old timers. Anime fandom has grown,
you've got to grow with it.
> If that kind of arrogance it what it means to be an old-timer, I'm glad to
> remain a newbie. (Actually, to be honest, I think I suffered from, and
grew
> out of, that sort of attitude in the early days of my fandom.)
I did too, in part because most of the dubs _did_ suck back then, and also
most of the fans were the old timers...
Arnold Kim
The Beer Pirate
>
Only sometimes? ;-)
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Leaping Larry Jojo
The Beer Pirate <jobst...@aol.commando> wrote in message
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> >Sometimes the people in this hobby repulse me.
> >
>
> Only sometimes? ;-)
>
And only this hobby? Trash is everywhere. Sanitary Engineers don't get
enough respect. ;)
Jojo
James 'Tengu' King
> > Aye. Well, sometimes a certain subset of people in this hobby repulse
me.
> > The 'I'm more Otaku than you' anti-pros who believe being old enough to
> know
> > what anime was before the days of fansubs makes them better than us
peons
> > who were watching Robotech for the first time with a bowl of
over-sugared
> > cereal while they were watching grainy 20th generation copies of
> > untranslated Mach Go-Go-Go with a torn coffee-stained script.
>
> Good things those types seem to be endangered now, or at least outnumbered
> by more reasonable folks.
True, true. On the other hand, were they not, they'd not be noteworthy
enough to draw my ire (or that of Blade, probably.)
> > Yes, things were so much better then, when you had to ignore the
animation
> > of the anime so you could read the script.
>
> To be honest, I understand how someone might be nostalgic over gathering
in
> a corner of a sci-fi con and watching a fifth generation unsubbed tape of
> Dragon Ball- watching anime was special. And it's still special now, not
> necessarily better or worse- just different. I like to look back on my
> early days in fandom from seven years ago and how great it was then when I
> was completely obsessed with Ranma 1/2. I of course still love anime now,
> but that time then was pretty special to me.
Oh, I can completely understand the nostalgia (although I've killed most of
my nostalgic moments by actually trying to relive them. Gah...most of the TV
shows from my childhood don't hold up.... And most of the ones that do, I
can't really admit to liking, since the reason they hold up is they were
always cheesy.... ::lesigh::).
> That said, I'm still annoyed by these old timers. Anime fandom has grown,
> you've got to grow with it.
::Nodnod:: Zackly.
And, asides, no matter what you think of their work, making comments about
their personal attractiveness is way out of line.
David Crowe
: I have never met nor communicated with Trish Ledoux, but I will give you
: the reason why she is a mortal enemy of mine and someone who I will never
: forgive as long as I draw breath, in merely four words: "Video Girl Ai
: dub." She didn't do the sub a lot of favours, either, so she's on my
: shitlist permenantly. Say what you like about me, but ruin my favourite
: anime and I will curse you to live the rest of your life the way you truly
: are and be 100% aware of it.
How did she "ruin" it precisely? The Viz production did not meet your
expectations, which means you HAD expectations and therefore copies (and
possibly fansubs) of your own. Did she erase them? And all raw Japanese
copies on Earth?
Did it prevent anyone who saw Ai for the first time from understanding
what kind of story it was, ala the hack job of Sailor Moon seasons 1-2?
And what sort of justice to you expect? Will you kill her? Force a
recall of all US Ai tapes?
I've seen you harp on this for years and frankly it strikes me as a
tedious waste of effort. It IS just a show you know.
Slithy Tove
>In article <20010408132134...@ng-fe1.aol.com>,
>knuds...@aol.comERASEMME says...
>>>SHE has a chip on her shoulder? <laugh> She's not the one strolling in here
>>>and
>>>starting a hate thread, now is she?
>>
>> Can't you read between the lines, man?
>
>What, for you? No, as a point of fact I guess I can't. Mind telling me how
>such descriptions as "Piss Ledoux" and "what a cow" express your affectionate
>exasperation as opposed to being petty name-calling?
>
>>>Well, there will always be assholes who get a kick out of taking shots at
>>>people
>>>who aren't around to defend themselves. Maybe you're one of them.
>> Nah, I just thought her little trip was funny. Actually I am a veteran of
>>countless majestic flame wars (I just got through with one on
>>rec.music.classical, that got up to almost 300 posts), I would LOVE it if she
>>were actually here. She'd probably get her jollies that anyone is yapping about
>>her at all!
>
>I'll bet you would. Were you around when they flamed her off these newsgroups
>in the first place? Guess she -doesn't- get jollies from fanboys calling her
>names and making disparaging remarks about her looks.
It was worse than that. I think it was the death threats that drove
her off. It was very ugly, which I think is one reason several of us
are unhappy that this subject has up again, with personal insults
directed at Trish. I don't know her, I never met her, I have no
opinion of her talents, but the flame war that happened before -- it
was almost the first thing I came upon when I got internet access in
1995 or so -- was ugly and disturbing. It actually rated a mention in
Avatar's Legality FAQ:
http://members.tripod.com/~AvatarHR/legalityfaq.txt
== Tove
--
Custodian of Death's floppy hat collection
Sea Wasp
He's just using the common fan title. Boring Germans in SPAAAAAAACE!
I found LoGH amusing -- Our Genius is discovering a new dimension in
combat every battle. The problem is that all those dimensions were
discovered on OUR world years ago. How'd they manage to forget so
completely?
--
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/^\
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http://www.hyperbooks.com/catalog/20040.html
David Watson
> David Watson <aj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> writes:
> : I have never met nor communicated with Trish Ledoux, but I will give you
> : the reason why she is a mortal enemy of mine and someone who I will never
> : forgive as long as I draw breath, in merely four words: "Video Girl Ai
> : dub." She didn't do the sub a lot of favours, either, so she's on my
> : shitlist permenantly. Say what you like about me, but ruin my favourite
> : anime and I will curse you to live the rest of your life the way you truly
> : are and be 100% aware of it.
> How did she "ruin" it precisely? The Viz production did not meet your
> expectations, which means you HAD expectations and therefore copies (and
> possibly fansubs) of your own. Did she erase them? And all raw Japanese
> copies on Earth?
Rejigged lines to the point where some characteristics and some vital
scenes (i.e. Ai walking Moemi home) are quite different from the original.
Others are deeply, annoyingly "Trishized" ("Amano Ai. Yoroshiku ne." to
"Ai Amano. Pleased to meet you." (fan) to "Ai Amano. Video Girl at
large." (Viz), which is also in the sub). It's a show that hinges on a
balance of elements, and she totally ruined that balance with that rancid
dub script (and dropped bits of that heap of guano into the sub script).
Look up all the different fan translations of the manga and anime (and a
lot of lines in the anime are direct quotes of the manga, based on Ka-Ping
Yee's detailed literal translations of the first five chapters) and you'll
see the consensus between them on some lines, some of which are obviously
different in Trish's work.
As for fansubs, she can have mine when she pries them from my cold, dead
hands (with their middle fingers extended). I really do want to support
the legit North American release of VGAi and encourage VGAi fans to put
their money down. Honestly. I can't when it's messed with that badly.
> Did it prevent anyone who saw Ai for the first time from understanding
> what kind of story it was, ala the hack job of Sailor Moon seasons 1-2?
I don't watch Sailor Moon, so I can't compare the two. I can tell you
that it flagrantly pissed in the original flavour of the VGAi. I can
overlook things that are difficult to translate, like bypassing
male/female patterns of speech or glossing over honorifics for which there
are no English equivalents, but rewriting critical dramatic scenes? No
excuse whatsoever. And this wasn't to get it on TV. This was for a quite
expensive (for North America) video release.
> And what sort of justice to you expect? Will you kill her?
No. I might blister her ears to death with what I have to say to her
about this if I ever meet her face to face, though. While I don't think
I'd go so far as to call her names, I'll probably say plenty of things
which will make her wish that I was calling her names instead. Like I
said, the curse of awareness.
> Force a recall of all US Ai tapes?
I wish, but what I *am* hoping for is to get all the Trishisms removed
from the sub script for the domestic DVD, which is apparently in
production/planning now, and get them to make it more literal. Too late
for the dub, but at least people like me can choose to avoid that part of
with a DVD. And also to warn people that if my favourite show can get
fucked up by Ms. Ledoux, yours possibly can, too, so be alert. I mean, a
lot of anime fans have pegged things on Trish and built up a hatred of her
because of things that may not necessarily have been her fault. The Viz
translations of the VGAi OVAs definitely are--just check out the credits--
so she has mine for a proven reason.
If you'd like to get the sub script to be made more literal for the DVD
release, let Viz know. E- *and* snail mail them. You have nothing to
lose and a good chunk to gain.
> I've seen you harp on this for years and frankly it strikes me as a
> tedious waste of effort. It IS just a show you know.
Sometimes a show is just a show. I feel that VGAi is one worth making
noise about, especially if it's done wrong by a person responsible for its
welfare in North America. Surely you must have one of your own, or you
wouldn't be in RAAM, right?
Shadow6865
what anime was before the days of fansubs makes them better than us peons who
were watching Robotech for the first time with a bowl of over-sugared cereal
while they were watching grainy 20th generation copies of
untranslated Mach Go-Go-Go with a torn coffee-stained script. >>
I agree. Sometimes it is really fun to talk to the old fans because they can
tell you really interesting stories about the early days of fandom (e.g. when
someone on an anime ML I belonged to talked about Randall Stuckey and how he
destroyed the CFO.) However sometimes it is really annoying and frustrating. I
went to an old school anime panel at I-con and besides Jeff Thompson, all the
other people on the panel had the attitude "We are really cool becuase we enjoy
anime from the 60s and 70s better than the stuff being made today and we're not
going to tell you how to see any of it." There was one guy on the panel who I
swear probably has not watched any anime in years but still thought he was
cooler than the rest of us plebians.
Knudsen
Wait until she bastardizes a series you like.
>But the fact of the matter is that there is a certain moral issue here. It
>simply isn't right to mock a person behind their back.
Give me her email then.
>As someone who has
>friends who are overweight, personally, I thought the "cow" line was out of
>line to begin with
I don't care how much she weighs, she's still ugly. How do you know I dont
weigh 500 pounds?
>but more then that, EVERY individual deserves the chance to
>defend themselves from verbal assault,
Marry her already.
>This kind of simple disrespect for our fellow human
>beings is the central core of what is wrong in the world today.
yeah, that's me, I'm at the core of what is wrong with the world! I'm just
a terrible person, really. Nevermind that I'm one of the last decent people
left alive and one of the few loyal people who exist anywhere.
>This isn't to say I'm guiltless of that. We all get frustrated and disgusted
>with other people,
The thing is, I'm not the personality type that gets frustrated or
disgusted. I just think she's worth bashing for various reason and an enemy of
animation fans. Next you'll be telling me how great Carl Macek is.
>But I try to be fair to people whenever I can, and this kind
>of personal bashing in a public forum while the person is not here to defend
>themselves is simply a low, dispicable act.
This is classic... You must be a newbie to Usenet if your hide is so thin.
I mean, this thread is like happy forest critters compared to the flaming
insanity that Usenet can be at times. I mean, it's nice that you're being so
nice, but grow some ballz!
> I don't know you personally, and I
>don't know if there are good aspects to your personality
I'm the worlds greatest composer, the greatest since Beethoven. That's
pretty good, huh?
> but simply from your
>comments in this thread, I have a heavy disrespect for you and you have
>thrown
>away a great deal of any potential credibility you might have had if we were
>to
>get into a -real- discussion about a subject that is actually RELEVANT to the
>topic of this group.
Woah... OK, read your posts on this thread then read mine... who is the
negative one?
>That being said, I think your words in this thread have been uncalled for and
>rude
nah, Ledoux sux there is no way around it. I tried to think of something
good to say, but some people are beyond help.
> as well as unnessecary and off-topic. And I think you -and- anyone else
>who has been mocking Ms Ledoux personally should take a serious look at the
>kind of person you are.
OK, hi Trish. This is Trish right?
>It's truely sad that you feel this need to validate
>your own superiority
Only un-superior people need to validate their superiority. Luckily, I'm
comfortable in my superiority. Also, thanks for validating it though you didn't
mean to.
> by attacking someone who can't defend themselves, and in
>that respect, I regard you as no better then a common schoolyard bully,
I KNEW something like this would show up on this thread. Like I said, it's
great to be back on the anime groups!
>I'm not going to comment on this matter any further, as everything I have to
>say I've said, and quite honestly dealing with people like you is a waste of
>my
>time.
You sure spent a long time on that post... jesus, write a novel about why
you don't like me! I know why I rub you the wrong way... it's because you sense
my specialness and powerful connection to the psycho-juice, my incredible
musical genius and general ability to soar above the mundane world. It's ok,
lots of people resent me.
Knudsen
groups? Hell no!
You guys... cmon, it's just words, don't get your panties all ruffled! If
you go through life with such soft skin you're eventually going to get burned
hardcore.
Nikkou
knuds...@aol.comERASEMME (Knudsen) wrote:
> Hey, can you think of a better way to inagurate your return to the anime
>groups? Hell no!
Heheheh, you baaaad thing. Whatever happened to coming in and observing how
the group is and not offending the delicate sensibilities of the nice
people here? ;)
> You guys... cmon, it's just words, don't get your panties all ruffled! If
>you go through life with such soft skin you're eventually going to get burned
>hardcore.
If it's just words there won't be such a thing as libel.
How 'bout being a bit more creative and offend.. oops! sorry, ..bestir
people by thrashing a few anime series instead of invoking spirits of
seasons past which should be allowed to R.I.P? (Yeah, you can dedicate
your new thread to me. ;)
-Nikkou.
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Knudsen
>anime
>>groups? Hell no!
>
>Heheheh, you baaaad thing. Whatever happened to coming in and observing how
>the group is and not offending the delicate sensibilities of the nice
>people here? ;)
>
Shadow6865
left alive and one of the few loyal people who exist anywhere. >>
Decent by whose standards. Having the audacity to call yourself decent in a
public forum when you go around mocking someone by calling them ugly doesn't
seem very decent to me. It takes modesty and humility to be a decent person.
What exactly are you loyal to anyway? The old elites who have mainly
dissapeared or who went pro like Trish and Jeff Thompson? Your cause is dead
oyaji.
<< I just think she's worth bashing for various reason and an enemy of
animation fans. >>
Times have changed oyaji. We prefer more constructive debate and critcism now
unless we are in a really off topic debate.
<< Next you'll be telling me how great Carl Macek is.
>>
More people hear probably owe their anime fandom to Macek by watching
Robotech or the old Streamline dubs on the Sci-Fi channel than to the CFO. He
is certainly not the best translator but he helped maked the anime fanbase as
large as it is today. You probably however yearn for the days when it was only
Animeigo and US Renditions releasing tapes at 34.95 a volume or buying
expensive imports from Books Nippan.
<< Luckily, I'm comfortable in my superiority. >>
Another example of your decentness, I see.
<< I know why I rub you the wrong way... it's because you sense my specialness
and powerful connection to the psycho-juice, my incredible musical genius and
general ability to soar above the mundane world. It's ok, lots of people resent
me. >>
Actually it is probably because you are an arrogant, eltists trying to
reinsert his authority over an anime newsgroup that no longer exists. You went
away and the plebians took over. Your lands and power are gone, if you want
respect you are going to have to earn it all over again. We are not going to
kowtow because you say you are an old-timer.
Shadow
I'd tell you to go Fuck Yourself but I'd think you would have too hard a time
taking the redwood out of your ass.
Blade
>In article <eek2dt89l5uqsph02...@4ax.com>,
>sli...@pobox.com says...
>She left because of her comment on the Zeta Project
>incited hatred between "Fan" and "Pro." No major
>emphasis on death treats, or any death treats I can
>recall for that matter.
>
>The death treats came later at around 95, when she was
>long gone as a regular poster on RAA. Ever since then,
>the pro-industry factors had deliberatly attempted to
>confuse those two incident as one. Looks like they
>suceeded. When I exposed her as hypocrite, back around
>96-97, I issued a challenge that for people to show that
>the death treat poster was among those who were against
>her in 93, or were even on-line at 93. I am still
>waiting.
I never said anything of the sort, and I find it insulting you insinuated (since
I was the first to complain about this) that I did.
And the poster you're responding to clearly stated when he came around, and
merely that there were death threats at the TIME (which there were) and that was
what he -believed- drove her off. How could he find out otherwise? I know of no
public USENET archives that date back to 93, or even near it. Even when it was
still online, Deja only dates back to 1995, as I recall.
Nor am I a "pro-industry" factor, at least in this argument. I am not
supporting or criticising Trish's work. I am supporting her right to be given
the respect given to any other human being. I did the same thing for Apollo
Smile in 98, despite not even knowing who she was at the beginning of the debate
(and I STILL haven't managed to find one of her albums, tho the single on Days
of Thunder was interesting...but I digress).
And the word is "threats", BTW. Normally I wouldn't comment, but making the
same mistake four times in one post is...odd.
Blade
Invid Fan
<knuds...@aol.comERASEMME> wrote:
> >I, personally, could care less about other people's opinions of Trish
> >>Ledoux.
>
> Wait until she bastardizes a series you like.
>
Unless she burns all the original prints, there's nothing she can do to
a series I like that would bother me.
--
Chris Mack "Never let two artists marry! Always push the
'Invid Fan' painter down the well! GRR! I CAN'T FORGET!"
-Quinton, 'Thieves & Kings'
In...@localnet.com
Arnold Kim
Knudsen <knuds...@aol.comERASEMME> wrote in message
news:20010409122712...@ng-ms1.aol.com...
> >This kind of simple disrespect for our fellow human
> >beings is the central core of what is wrong in the world today.
>
> yeah, that's me, I'm at the core of what is wrong with the world! I'm
just
> a terrible person, really. Nevermind that I'm one of the last decent
people
> left alive and one of the few loyal people who exist anywhere.
If you are, you sure aren't showing it here. I don't give a flying fuck
about what you think of Trish Ledoux as a professional, but decent people
don't hurl petty insults at someone behind their back.
You know, I could make a comment here like:
"Decent? Let me look that up in the Websters....
Mmmm.... Nope, I'm afraid it doesn't say 'like an asshole'"
...but I frankly don't go to that level.
> >This isn't to say I'm guiltless of that. We all get frustrated and
disgusted
> >with other people,
>
> The thing is, I'm not the personality type that gets frustrated or
> disgusted. I just think she's worth bashing for various reason and an
enemy of
> animation fans. Next you'll be telling me how great Carl Macek is.
Bash away. Fine. But if your beef with her is her job as a professional,
just leave it at that. Is that so hard?
> >But I try to be fair to people whenever I can, and this kind
> >of personal bashing in a public forum while the person is not here to
defend
> >themselves is simply a low, dispicable act.
>
> This is classic... You must be a newbie to Usenet if your hide is so
thin.
> I mean, this thread is like happy forest critters compared to the flaming
> insanity that Usenet can be at times. I mean, it's nice that you're being
so
> nice, but grow some ballz!
Whether or not petty insults are a good thing has nothing to do with balls.
In fact, I think it takes balls not to descend to that level.
> >That being said, I think your words in this thread have been uncalled for
and
> >rude
>
> nah, Ledoux sux there is no way around it. I tried to think of
something
> good to say, but some people are beyond help.
Then why do you have to say anything?
> > by attacking someone who can't defend themselves, and in
> >that respect, I regard you as no better then a common schoolyard bully,
>
> I KNEW something like this would show up on this thread. Like I said,
it's
> great to be back on the anime groups!
Funny, none of this was going on before you came here...
> >I'm not going to comment on this matter any further, as everything I have
to
> >say I've said, and quite honestly dealing with people like you is a waste
of
> >my
> >time.
>
> You sure spent a long time on that post... jesus, write a novel about
why
> you don't like me! I know why I rub you the wrong way... it's because you
sense
> my specialness and powerful connection to the psycho-juice, my incredible
> musical genius and general ability to soar above the mundane world. It's
ok,
> lots of people resent me.
It's called a dose of humility. You could certainly use some.
Arnold Kim
Oh, and by the way- <PLONK!>
Animeg3282
>
>Aye. Well, sometimes a certain subset of people in this hobby repulse me.
>The 'I'm more Otaku than you' anti-pros who believe being old enough to know
>what anime was before the days of fansubs makes them better than us peons
>who were watching Robotech for the first time with a bowl of over-sugared
>cereal while they were watching grainy 20th generation copies of
>untranslated Mach Go-Go-Go with a torn coffee-stained script.
>
>Yes, things were so much better then, when you had to ignore the animation
>of the anime so you could read the script.
>
>If that kind of arrogance it what it means to be an old-timer, I'm glad to
>remain a newbie. (Actually, to be honest, I think I suffered from, and grew
>out of, that sort of attitude in the early days of my fandom.)
>
I don't understand that. I mean...enjoy the privileged age of anime we have
now! Just this weekend, I picked up 7 episodes of uncut Sailor Moon(with
extras, and sub for me and dub for the kiddies) from a local anime shop which
had to move up to a larger location. From the mall, I got another 7 episode
DVD, this time of Key the Metal Idol, with neat extras too. Sure, the Key has a
few translation fobbles(it seems to me.) but it's better than a blurry illegal
fansub with no conceptual art, no nice lil case, no dub(the Key dub is good),
and likely fewer episodes. Do we really want to go back to the old days when we
had to search really hard for anime?
Hana no Kaitou
http://members.fortunecity.com/animeg3282 <---Fancy Lala Club!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fancy_lala <--and a mailing list too. Hey, there
are worse uses for a .sig.
Animeg3282
>Ever since then,
>the pro-industry factors had deliberatly attempted to
>confuse those two incident as one.
Question: How could there be 'anti-industry' folks? I mean..if there's no
industry there's no anime. Not every Jack Sprat with his thumb up his... can go
and create a 26 episode anime series with the quality of MTT! or even Odin.
Knudsen
>left alive and one of the few loyal people who exist anywhere. >>
>
> Decent by whose standards. Having the audacity to call yourself decent
in a
>public forum when you go around mocking someone by calling them ugly
First of all, I'm not mocking anyone... she's just ugly.
Second, yes, I am an audacious bastard. I know you love me.
>It takes modesty and humility to be a decent person.
Does it? Isn't it a little deeper than that? If you judge decency by who
APPEARS to be decent, you will be terribly let down when you get to know them.
>What exactly are you loyal to anyway?
To loyal people.
>The old elites who have mainly
>dissapeared or who went pro like Trish and Jeff Thompson? Your cause is dead
>oyaji.
What cause?
>Times have changed oyaji. We prefer more constructive debate and critcism now
>unless we are in a really off topic debate.
"we we we" funny lots of other posts on this thread don't seem to share
your obsessive (masturbatory?) love of (what was her name again?... oh yeah
Trish).
><< Next you'll be telling me how great Carl Macek is.
> More people hear probably owe their anime fandom to Macek by
watching
>Robotech or the old Streamline dubs on the Sci-Fi channel than to the CFO.
Yep, it started with Robotech for me.
I was joking, by the way. Macek is a likable jerk. For example his
non-fiction writing about various subjects can be entertaining, like that old
Robotech Art 3 book (the one with no pictues and half of each page blank
space... don't know what crack was being smoked while preparing that one).
>You probably however yearn for the days when it was only
>Animeigo and US Renditions releasing tapes at 34.95
You must've actually bought some of those... which would explain your
bitterness.
><< Luckily, I'm comfortable in my superiority. >>
>
> Another example of your decentness, I see.
I posses a superior breed of decency.
>Actually it is probably because you are an arrogant, eltists
no, you're just over-sensitive and can't handle my spectacular
personality.
trying to
>reinsert his authority over an anime newsgroup that no longer exists.
Woah, I had authority over an old anime group? It's news to me.
>You went
>away and the plebians took over. Your lands and power are gone,
Maybe you've been playing too many RPG's lately? I've barely even posted
here. If I were trying to "take over" or some other baloney I could easily
accomplish that... if I gave a rats ass. It's just Usenet man, it's not real
life. get outside, live a little... this whole thread that is keeping you awake
at night will fade away and start to seem inconsequential, which it is.
>if you want
>respect you are going to have to earn it all over again. We are not going to
>kowtow because you say you are an old-timer.
I'm not even comprehending where most of this stuff is coming from, but
keep at it it's pretty fun to read.
>Shadow
> I'd tell you to go Fuck Yourself but I'd think you would have too hard
a
>time
>taking the redwood out of your ass.
Your maturity is impressive.
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> I don't understand that. I mean...enjoy the privileged age of anime we
have
> now! Just this weekend, I picked up 7 episodes of uncut Sailor Moon(with
> extras, and sub for me and dub for the kiddies) from a local anime shop
which
> had to move up to a larger location. From the mall, I got another 7
episode
> DVD, this time of Key the Metal Idol, with neat extras too. Sure, the Key
has a
> few translation fobbles(it seems to me.) but it's better than a blurry
illegal
> fansub with no conceptual art, no nice lil case, no dub(the Key dub is
good),
> and likely fewer episodes. Do we really want to go back to the old days
when we
> had to search really hard for anime?
Of course we do, it keeps the unwashed masses out...
Wait, let me rephrase:
It keeps it down to the unwashed masses who get off on being into something
nobody else has ever heard of.
Don't you know that the more people are into a hobby, the worse it is? After
all, having good quality product isn't what it's all about, being ELITE is.
AntEGM111
>a
>>time
>>taking the redwood out of your ass.
>
> Your maturity is impressive.
Actually, considering the Redwood is the one of the biggest, thickest trees
around, that might have been a compliment . . .
Knudsen
>about what you think of Trish Ledoux
Yeah you do. It really rubs you the wrong way.
>You know, I could make a comment here like:
>"Decent? Let me look that up in the Websters....
>
>Mmmm.... Nope, I'm afraid it doesn't say 'like an asshole'"
Sometimes assholes turn out to be the best people around. Don't worry,
you'll grow to love me!
BTW, it takes one to know one.
>Whether or not petty insults are a good thing has nothing to do with balls.
>In fact, I think it takes balls not to descend to that level.
You can dish it out but you can't take it! All your posturing as mr holy
saint is as sad (or sadder) as any straight-up, no-bullshit bashing. Trying to
pose and look good is for people like you, and politicians. I'd rather you'd
cut the crap and just throw a punch like an honest man! Yee-haw!
>Then why do you have to say anything?
Well, I didn't say much, but your epic goody-two-shoes charade is dragging
it out beyond all reasonable proportions. Which is ok by me.
>Funny, none of this was going on before you >came here...
I think that no one besides yourself is really paying any attention to this
thread. It's just another header in a sea of FA: posts. Ooh, BIIIG deal! A
Usenet thread! Oh god my life and integrity hangs in the balance based on what
I say! Cmon dude, let's get with the program! What's your favorite show?
>It's called a dose of humility. You could >certainly use some.
What blows my mind, is just how seriously you can take me. Can you
honestly-to-godestly tell me that you can take ridiculously egotistical
comments with anything but a grain of salt? Haven't you watched any anime?
Don't have just a LITTLE comprehension of absurdity, or does everything have to
be dead-pan-literal and BOOORRRIIING! Hell no! Life is far too ROCKIN for that!
>Arnold Kim
>Oh, and by the way- <PLONK!>
Too cool for your own good. The difference between you and me is, I come
right out with my self-glorification, while you try the sneaky route.
Knudsen
>all, having good quality product isn't what it's all about, being ELITE is.
No way... it's about quality and power-packed cinematic excitement. Like
the first time I saw UY movie 2 or Akira. Who cares about being elite (cant be
elite where I live anyway, no one is interested or impressed by animation of
any kind outside of Prisney) when you are in the midst of an alternate reality
that, while not being quite as potent as dreams is certainly pretty F-ing cool
as far as the waking state goes. Hell yah!
Invid Fan
<jvk...@3web.net> wrote:
> Don't you know that the more people are into a hobby, the worse it is? After
> all, having good quality product isn't what it's all about, being ELITE is.
>
For some people, finding some hobby that isn't widely known or
practiced is important. I was your usual shy, friendless loner in
middleschool and highschool, and freely admit that part of the reason I
wandered into the world of roleplaying, sf, etc was that it was an area
where I could build some status in a much smaller group.
The nature of a hobby does change the more popular it is. It becomes
less about small groups and clubs, and more comercial. There is nothing
wrong with that, and I'm glad we have the flood of translated anime
nowadays ^_^ However, I do miss the old days. We closed our club to new
members, just becoming a small group of friends, because there was no
point to it when potential members could just go into any video store
and find anime. The days of renting a room at the University of
Buffalo, doing a newsletter, and hoping enough people showed at $5 a
head to cover the cost of both are over :)
Nargun
> President said:
>
> >Ever since then,
> >the pro-industry factors had deliberatly attempted to
> >confuse those two incident as one.
>
> Question: How could there be 'anti-industry' folks? I mean..if there's no
> industry there's no anime. Not every Jack Sprat with his thumb up his... can go
> and create a 26 episode anime series with the quality of MTT! or even Odin.
Thumb up his elipses? surely you mean "thumb up his :"?
Louis
--
Louis Patterson l.patt...@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au
Knudsen
we'll be pals. It always turns out that way on Usenet. people who start by
flaming turn out to be on good Net terms.
The real problem, and the main reason that once in awhile I irk people the
wrong way, is because I am the original G. My G-ness is legendary. People can
be momentarily stunned by the pure G-funk power, but little by little they get
accustomed to it.
This is a boring and lame flame thread anyway. I'm a laugh-flamer, that
is, I don't take anything very seriously, while your a dead-pan flamer who
takes every letter seriously. problem is, these kinds of flames in combination
produce incredibly insipid and plodding flame threads which are no fun at all.
Dammit, I just lied, it was really fun reading your dour posts. Damn.
Christopher Beilby
> industry there's no anime. Not every Jack Sprat with his thumb up his...
can go
> and create a 26 episode anime series with the quality of MTT! or even
Odin.
By Anti Industry, I think that he's refering to the American translation
industry. The Anti Industry people are the stuck up snobs who hate the fact
that anime has become so well known here in the states. The same people who
would rather watch a bootlegged, poorly processed fansub than a nicely
subtitled commercial release...
Animeg3282
>Of course we do, it keeps the unwashed masses out...
>
>Wait, let me rephrase:
>
>It keeps it down to the unwashed masses who get off on being into something
>nobody else has ever heard of.
>
>Don't you know that the more people are into a hobby, the worse it is? After
>all, having good quality product isn't what it's all about, being ELITE is.
>
Oh. But if you're more elite, that's more expensive and less of a conversation
starter. Anyway, there are only two ways elite things go on- They die or they
become popular. Nothing can stay elite forever. Either the fanbase increases or
decreases even if it's just when old fans die... It feeds on itself. If I like
anime, I tell you about anime and you tell your friends and they tell their
friends and the watch anime meme spreads til it covers the earth.
Avery Davies
"James 'Tengu' King" <jvk...@3web.net> wrote in message
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> Animeg3282 <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
> news:20010409193155...@ng-fq1.aol.com...
>
> when we
> > had to search really hard for anime?
>
> Of course we do, it keeps the unwashed masses out...
Shouldn't that be the other way around? "Keeps the regularly-bathed masses
out" seems more appropriate to the elitist fanboy corner. ^_^
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"Christopher Beilby" <cbe...@hroads.net> wrote in message
news:mjuA6.191$pH.1...@sydney.visi.net...
> > Question: How could there be 'anti-industry' folks? I mean..if there's
no
> > industry there's no anime. Not every Jack Sprat with his thumb up his...
> can go
> > and create a 26 episode anime series with the quality of MTT! or even
> Odin.
>
> By Anti Industry, I think that he's refering to the American translation
> industry.
The problem with that logic now is the American translation industry and the
anime production companies are, with Bandai and Pioneer actively marketing
and distributing their shows in the US and US companies like ADV and Manga
bankrolling entire operations, one and the same business. Many of the
companies that are translating anime now have the rights before the first
cel is painted or the first frame is CG rendered.
The Anti Industry people are the stuck up snobs who hate the fact
> that anime has become so well known here in the states. The same people
who
> would rather watch a bootlegged, poorly processed fansub than a nicely
> subtitled commercial release...
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>
> "James 'Tengu' King" <jvk...@3web.net> wrote in message
> news:BbsA6.1201$h4.2...@jekyl.ab.tac.net...
> > Animeg3282 <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
> > news:20010409193155...@ng-fq1.aol.com...
> >
> > > Do we really want to go back to the old days
> > when we
> > > had to search really hard for anime?
> >
> > Of course we do, it keeps the unwashed masses out...
>
> Shouldn't that be the other way around? "Keeps the regularly-bathed masses
> out" seems more appropriate to the elitist fanboy corner. ^_^
Heheh...well, I DID correct myself to 'It keeps it down to the RIGHT
unwashed masses.'
runestar
"Ken Arromdee" <arro...@rahul.net> wrote in message
news:9anevi$qna$1...@samba.rahul.net...
> In article <tcu3iri...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Franklin Harris <fran...@pulpculture.net.nospam> wrote:
> >> That's Animerica now. If it isn't Viz, or shown free on television,
they
> >> really
> >> don't cover it much.
> >That explains the COWBOY BEBOP and HARLOCK SAGA coverage. Oh, wait, no it
> >doesn't.
>
> He said they don't cover it much, not that they don't cover it at all.
>
> I wish Manga Max would return...
Where did that go anyhow? I've been wondering...
Runey
Duo Maxwell
"Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
> Tengu said:
>
> >Of course we do, it keeps the unwashed masses out...
> >
> >Wait, let me rephrase:
> >
> >It keeps it down to the unwashed masses who get off on being into
something
> >nobody else has ever heard of.
> >
> >Don't you know that the more people are into a hobby, the worse it is?
After
> >all, having good quality product isn't what it's all about, being ELITE
is.
> >
>
> Oh. But if you're more elite, that's more expensive and less of a
conversation
> starter. Anyway, there are only two ways elite things go on- They die or
they
> become popular. Nothing can stay elite forever. Either the fanbase
increases or
> decreases even if it's just when old fans die... It feeds on itself. If I
like
> anime, I tell you about anime and you tell your friends and they tell
their
> friends and the watch anime meme spreads til it covers the earth.
I hate when stuff I like goes mainstream,
BUT
A nice level of cult hit popularity is certainly welcome.
Less poseurs that way, yet enough stuff is easily available, and you aren't
totally wierd for liking it.
I mean, look at electronic RPGs.
Back before FF7, gamers knew what they were, some people liked em, others
didn't.
We got a healthy amount of them, but weren't swamped.
Now, its hard to keep track of what is coming out, and the newbies generally
don't
know what they are talking about, yet are the loudest voice in the fandom.
(Which is why classics like Fallout 2 and Planescape Torment get ignored,
while
mediocre crap like FF8 and Diablo 2 sell gangbusters...)
When something goes mainstream, either the new fans, or the product itself
has
to out of necessity, dumbs down to the circa 100 IQ level of the populace.
(Read: Almost everything on MTV. That's mainstream.)
Now, the long time fans should still push for the good stuff, yet try to
educate
the mundanes on their new fixation. Now, should the mundanes act like know
it
alls and not know their role, the long time fans have full right to make the
mundanes
life as miserable as said mundanes have done to the long time fans.
Newbies suck, have always sucked, and will always suck.
Maybe it is just coming from a millitary background, but it is
generally the way it is. But ya live, ya learn, and hopefully the vets
will try to mold ya with a clue.
The first step is admitting newbieness, accepting when you suck, and
having an interest in unsucking...
This goes for work, live, geek hobbies, driving a car, sex, heck, just about
everything..
Which is probably why I hate teenagers so much. They don't know squat, yet
think they are better and more important than everyone else.
This is sad, as some of them have some good damned ideas, yet their fellows
generally make everyone else consider them to all be whiny self absorbed
idiots.
And there will ALWAYS be someone higher than you in the heirarchy...
Blade
knuds...@aol.comERASEMME says...
>>Whether or not petty insults are a good thing has nothing to do with balls.
>>In fact, I think it takes balls not to descend to that level.
>
> You can dish it out but you can't take it! All your posturing as mr holy
>saint is as sad (or sadder) as any straight-up, no-bullshit bashing. Trying to
>pose and look good is for people like you, and politicians. I'd rather you'd
>cut the crap and just throw a punch like an honest man! Yee-haw!
Holy shit. O_O
It's DUBYA!
Blade
(Okay, that was probably insulting to George W. My apologies.)
Blade
>In article <9at5g...@drn.newsguy.com>,
>kumo...@hotmail.com says...
>> In article <MPG.153b8330dbbbc4bd9896de@news>, President, says...
>considered when I typed that. But please note the plural,
>it's not exclusive target at you personally. There were
>definitely people who made false linkage between those
>two events.
Oh, so you meant me AND other people.
So, in other words, you flat-out lied. Since a cursory glance of my posts will
show I made no linkage whatsoever.
And yet you're complaining about other people supposedly making "false linkage".
And then you call -Trish- a hypocrite? That's pretty amusing.
>> And the poster you're responding to clearly stated when he came around, and
>>merely that there were death threats at the TIME (which there were) and that was
>>what he -believed- drove her off. How could he find out otherwise? I know of no
>People who were around like me? That's why I felt the
>need to speak-up. To clear up mistaken belief.
You accused him (and me, and apparently other people) of making a linkage that
didn't exist. Except that, as I showed, he did nothing of the sort. And I
-certainly- did nothing of the sort.
>>public USENET archives that date back to 93, or even near it. Even when it was
>> still online, Deja only dates back to 1995, as I recall.
>
>> Nor am I a "pro-industry" factor, at least in this argument. I am not
>>supporting or criticising Trish's work. I am supporting her right to be given
>> the respect given to any other human being. I did the same thing for Apollo
>Frankly, I feel you are not respecting those who are
>aganist her the way you want them to respect her(or any
>other human being). If you feel that what you preceived
Really? Who am I making personal insults to in a public forum behind their
back?
Am I disrespecting Knudsen for calling him an asshole? Too bad. He IS an
asshole. He has proved himself that many times over, and I feel no reluctance
to state it to his face, or as close as USENET will allow. That's a
face-to-face insult based on direct criticism of his actions and attitude, and
he is perfectly capable of defending himself or proving me wrong. He has done
neither.
The same applies to me calling you a lying hypocrite. You ARE a lying
hypocrite. I have no reluctance to tell you so, because it's a simple fact.
>as disrespect on their part entitle you to your attitude,
>i.e. what's goes around, comes around. Well, I can say
>that's also how it is between me and her. Like all of
>us, she is accountable for the statements she makes or
>the actions she takes.
So? Does that mean it's alright for Knudsen to call her a fat cow, and take
other personal shots at her in a forum where she cannot defend herself? Do you
think that's RIGHT? Since it sounds like you're defending him to me.
Blade
Blade
And, because there was a certan level of demand for virtually ANY RPG a company
would churn out, a large number of them were unimaginative, mediocre crap.
>Now, its hard to keep track of what is coming out, and the newbies generally
>don't
>know what they are talking about, yet are the loudest voice in the fandom.
>(Which is why classics like Fallout 2 and Planescape Torment get ignored,
>while
>mediocre crap like FF8 and Diablo 2 sell gangbusters...)
And excellent, imaginitive RPGs get made, like Xenogears and Star Ocean 2, and
actually get BROUGHT OVER HERE where they wouldn't before. And remakes of
classics like Lunar are marketed when they probably wouldn't have been before,
and certainly not with the fanfare they engendered.
If it's hard to keep track of what's coming out, well, that's because there's so
much of it. And the percentages still haven't changed...but now, because
there's so much more, numerically there is a HUGE number of very, very good RPGs
out, compared to what there was before.
North American RPG fandom owes a LOT of Final Fantasy VII, ungrateful though
they may be.
>When something goes mainstream, either the new fans, or the product itself
>has
>to out of necessity, dumbs down to the circa 100 IQ level of the populace.
>(Read: Almost everything on MTV. That's mainstream.)
Bullshit. If that were the case, RPG's would have been dumbed down a long time
ago. They were mainstream in Japan, after all, for years.
>Now, the long time fans should still push for the good stuff, yet try to
>educate
>the mundanes on their new fixation. Now, should the mundanes act like know
>it
>alls and not know their role, the long time fans have full right to make the
>mundanes
>life as miserable as said mundanes have done to the long time fans.
And should the long time fans-which includes me, boyo-act like arrogant, elitist
jackasses, the newbies have full right to completel ignore them for the pompous
fools they are.
>Newbies suck, have always sucked, and will always suck.
>Maybe it is just coming from a millitary background, but it is
>generally the way it is. But ya live, ya learn, and hopefully the vets
>will try to mold ya with a clue.
<laugh>
>The first step is admitting newbieness, accepting when you suck, and
>having an interest in unsucking...
>
>This goes for work, live, geek hobbies, driving a car, sex, heck, just about
>everything..
Yeah, because driving a car for a long time pretty much ensures you drive it
well, right? I know -I- feel secure whenever I see certain older people driving
in front of me...no, wait, digonally to me...now to the left...ohmigod they're
BESIDE ME...
The fact is, newbieness has nothing to do with it. I've met 13-year-olds with
more interesting, intelligent and concise ideas about the shows they're watching
than 30-somethings who think the Robotech generation is still wet behind the
ears.
>Which is probably why I hate teenagers so much. They don't know squat, yet
>think they are better and more important than everyone else.
...
Yeah, don't you just hate those people who don't know squat, yet think they are
better and more important than everyone else?
Blade
Knudsen
> Blade
>(Okay, that was probably insulting to George W. My apologies.)
hey, go ahead, insult the bastard.
Knudsen
>Pro, Make a choice."
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
> I choose the otherside than and
>now.
The otherside of what?
Is that skank your personal jesus?
Danielle Scott
Knudsen wrote:
>
> >And preferably letters about anime? So ah, what was
> >> with all the off-topic junk in that column, and the drawings of her in her
> >ugly
> >> dominatrix suit?
> >
> >Damn nigga, Trish is no Courtney Love wtf is up with THAT!
>
> I'm not real sure who this comment is supposed to be making fun of..
>
Don't think too hard, you might hurt yourself :-)
Danielle Scott
Good Lord!
JMO Video Girl Ai Anime wasn't THAT good compared to the manga. The
studio should have made this into a TV series instead of a OVA.
Danielle
Invid Fan
<knuds...@aol.comERASEMME> wrote:
> >Trish LeDoux in 93 asked "Fan or
> >Pro, Make a choice."
>
> What the hell is that supposed to mean?
>
I would assume it's refering to the idea that those who do comercial
translations shouldn't be involved in "illegal" fansub projects. It's a
reasonable request, for the most part.
jet...@illusions.com
> In article <9av5v...@drn.newsguy.com>, Blade <kumo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>When something goes mainstream, either the new fans, or the product itself
>>>has
>>>to out of necessity, dumbs down to the circa 100 IQ level of the populace.
>>>(Read: Almost everything on MTV. That's mainstream.)
>>Bullshit. If that were the case, RPG's would have been dumbed down a long time
>>ago. They were mainstream in Japan, after all, for years.
> He probably meant 'mainstream in the US'.
If we follow that idea, we have to believe that every single person in Japan is a super-cool, elite otaku... I'm not sure that's the case.
--
David "No Nickname" Crowe Website currently being moved
Now at jet...@illusions.com
jet...@illusions.com
> In article <20010409193155...@ng-fq1.aol.com>,
> Animeg3282 <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote:
>>I don't understand that. I mean...enjoy the privileged age of anime we have
>>now! Just this weekend, I picked up 7 episodes of uncut Sailor Moon(with
>>extras, and sub for me and dub for the kiddies) from a local anime shop which
>>had to move up to a larger location.
> And they don't have the right openings or the next episode previews. The
> fansubs could do better than that. In fact, the fansubs *did* do better than
> that.
Stealing the material rather than dealing with the company who owns it and may not have all of said OPs or previews available, or want to give it up--see
Slayers for example--. Not quite a valid comparison.
AntEGM111
>Animeg3282 <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote:
>>I don't understand that. I mean...enjoy the privileged age of anime we have
>>now! Just this weekend, I picked up 7 episodes of uncut Sailor Moon(with
>>extras, and sub for me and dub for the kiddies) from a local anime shop
>which
>>had to move up to a larger location.
>
>And they don't have the right openings or the next episode previews. The
>fansubs could do better than that. In fact, the fansubs *did* do better than
>that.
>
::::: sigh ::::: For the last time . . . the next episode preview weren't
dubbed, and you're seriously fantasizing if you believe they will be! GET OVER
IT!!!
Arnold Kim
itself
> >>has
> >>to out of necessity, dumbs down to the circa 100 IQ level of the
populace.
> >>(Read: Almost everything on MTV. That's mainstream.)
> >Bullshit. If that were the case, RPG's would have been dumbed down a
long time
> >ago. They were mainstream in Japan, after all, for years.
>
Right. I know I've played a good number of crappy Japanese only RPGs. Just
that before FF7, we were only getting the good stuff.
Arnold Kim
who would gladly sell his copy of FF8, if there are any takers...
David Watson
I agree that the manga is better, and agree with your sentiments about how
little of it was animated. Never said otherwise. The Viz translation of
the manga, however, leans so heavy on the Americanization that it's
disgusting (Youta looking over the unconscious Ai on his bed: "She's got
huge honkers! I'm in!" I hate that fucking word--and I *run* a bloody
website about anime breasts), and the art transfer quality is awful,
compared to how Dark Horse did Shadow Lady.
--
Dave Watson, Severed Heads Liberation Front (_Stretcher_ CD-R--sevcom.com)
Frezier Balzoff (aka Ottawa), Ontario, Canada Email--shlf [at] ncf [dot] ca
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"A man is measured by the depth of his anger."--Eddie (graffiti)
Knudsen
>asshole.
Look in the mirror. Can't you be more creative when trying to put people
down? You aren't very good at it.
>He has proved himself that many times over, and I feel no reluctance
>to state it to his face, or as close as USENET will allow.
My god, you are so buff!
No matter how much I dispell the unimportance of it, you just insist and
being a very serious and unsmiling dude... Call me an ass all you want, at
least I am good-natured and personable.
>and
>he is perfectly capable of defending himself or proving me wrong. He has
>done
>neither.
What exactly have you proven? Exactly how much value do you place on
subjective "proof" of this or that on Usenet? And why am I so important to you?
You gotta stop obessing about me, before it takes over your whole life!
> I have no reluctance to tell you so, because it's a simple fact.
Man, every newsgroup has a nut with a god-complex. You aren't even a very
good one, practice some more my lord.
>Does that mean it's alright for Knudsen to call her a fat cow
well, here I'll do an impression of you:
"I'm not calling Piss Ledoux a fat cow, she IS a fat cow, it's a simple
fact. I have proven this again and again. In fact, I am all-knowing master of
the universe, with my soud-disposition and party-pooper mentality, I will rid
the world of positive energy if it's the last thing I do!"
You gotta admit, it's an uncanny impression!
Knudsen
>that before FF7, we were only getting the good stuff.
>
>Arnold Kim
>who would gladly sell his copy of FF8, if there are any takers...
Watch out, the Square zombies will be coming to your house tonight to rape
your family and murder your children.
OK, maybe the Square cult aren't as fanatical as the Beatles cult, but
still, be prepared, and keep lots of ammo at the ready.
Animeg3282
>For me, the otherside of the pro-industry is not anti-
>industry, it's pro-fan. Trish LeDoux in 93 asked "Fan or
>Pro, Make a choice." I choose the otherside than and
>now.
>
>
But wouldn't that mean that pro-industry was anti-fan? But that doesn't seem
right either, because if there was no industry, there wouldn't be any fans? How
could I be an anime fan if there wasn't any anime?
Animeg3282
>And they don't have the right openings or the next episode previews. The
>fansubs could do better than that. In fact, the fansubs *did* do better than
>that.
Mine had next episode previews? I do not understand. The 'wrong' opening is a
minor quibble. They'll surely fix it. The fansubs were worse quality, and had
fewer episodes too, and were way harder to find. You had to know what you were
looking for, but now you can just causally find it and enjoy it.
The Beer Pirate
>>>has
>>>to out of necessity, dumbs down to the circa 100 IQ level of the populace.
Gee, I didn't know that otaku had a monopoly on the 100+ range.
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The Beer Pirate
>when we
>> had to search really hard for anime?
>
Zuh? The mainstreaming of anime is bringing people who BATHE into the fandom!
Personally, I hope that trend continues.
Pee-yew!
The Beer Pirate
Mmmmmm, tasty death treats. Ghlaahghghl. </Homer voice>
Animeg3282
>
>By Anti Industry, I think that he's refering to the American translation
>industry. The Anti Industry people are the stuck up snobs who hate the fact
>that anime has become so well known here in the states. The same people who
>would rather watch a bootlegged, poorly processed fansub than a nicely
>subtitled commercial release...
>
Ah, but if it wasn't for the Industry, how could we all become fans? Even they
had Astroboy...
SilverJain
fandom!
Personally, I hope that trend continues.
>>
I second that motion! ^_~
After seeing the "Otaku Soup" that occurred in the swimming pool at one of the
A-kons, I *like* sharing the fandom with clean people who smell nice!
--Elin
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SilverJain
Hey! There's a new item to invent a recipe for and serve at the next con
hospitality suite! I know there are folks who can cook and bake in anime
fandom.... it could be a contest to see who comes up with the best tasty death
treats! I envision some sort of "Death By Chocolate" type items......^_^
This could be fun!
Avatar
SilverJain wrote:
>
> << Mmmmmm, tasty death treats. Ghlaahghghl. </Homer voice> >>
>
> Hey! There's a new item to invent a recipe for and serve at the next con
> hospitality suite! I know there are folks who can cook and bake in anime
> fandom.... it could be a contest to see who comes up with the best tasty death
> treats! I envision some sort of "Death By Chocolate" type items......^_^
>
> This could be fun!
Yeah, but my cooking would function as advertised. ^_^
Avatar
Christopher Beilby
>
forgotten to pre-register... I was in the line behind a VERY foul smelling
fanboy. And I'm sure some of you remember THAT registration line...
Duo Maxwell
"Arnold Kim" <ki...@erols.com> wrote in message
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Fuck story, I want good gameplay.
Not rehashes of 1980's Wizardry 1, and 1985's Dragon Warrior 1 with more
story between dungeon fetch quests...
Duo Maxwell
>
> >Which is probably why I hate teenagers so much. They don't know squat,
yet
> >think they are better and more important than everyone else.
>
>
> ...
>
> Yeah, don't you just hate those people who don't know squat, yet think
they are
> better and more important than everyone else?
>
> Blade
Oh wait!! You took out the part where I mentioned some teenagers have good
ideas, but their moronic fellows'
stupidity drowns them out!!
You wouldn't be selectively editing what to reply to so you can make
yourself look like you have the moral
high ground would you?
Duo Maxwell
> No, Knudsen doesn't need me to defend him. He is
> receiving the consquence of the unpopular statements he
> made. Maybe he will be driven off, maybe not, that's not
> my concern. I think's it's a legitmate response, just
> like many's outrage in 1993 was geninue heart-felt and
> legitmate response to the statements Trish LeDoux made.
> That's the point I was trying to inject to this
> discussion. Were there some shots aginst her came out
> from nowhere? Yes. Was she an innocent victim in the
> events leading up to her decision to quit this forum(nee,
> RAA) in 93 as some people seems to think? No.
>
>
> President, Quess Paraya Fan Club
Thats one thing I have noticed in this newsgroup:
Alot of posters have an overly liberal outlook on life.
Nothing anyone says should ever be even slightly offensive to another.
If a post is, a couple people freak out over it.
SOME THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAY MIGHT OFFEND YOU. GET OVER IT.
At times, everyone who lives and has ever or will ever live, have done
things that deserve us to be told:
"Ya know, you are being a fucking idiot. Get a clue dumbass."
We need to learn from it, and not get all miffed.
Avery Davies
"SilverJain" <silve...@aol.comspampie> wrote in message
news:20010410222336...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
> << Zuh? The mainstreaming of anime is bringing people who BATHE into the
> fandom!
> Personally, I hope that trend continues.
> >>
>
>
> I second that motion! ^_~
>
> After seeing the "Otaku Soup" that occurred in the swimming pool at one of
the
> A-kons, I *like* sharing the fandom with clean people who smell nice!
OH GOD! I never witnessed this, but just the thought of it makes me want to
throw up. Stuff like that wants me to call the CDC to quaratine the area,
don a hazmat suit and get a flamethrower. That's just sick.
--
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- Jack, Fight Club
Danielle Scott
David Watson wrote:
>
> Danielle Scott (da...@nospamdjldc.com) writes:
> > Good Lord!
> >
> > JMO Video Girl Ai Anime wasn't THAT good compared to the manga. The
> > studio should have made this into a TV series instead of a OVA.
>
> I agree that the manga is better, and agree with your sentiments about how
> little of it was animated. Never said otherwise. The Viz translation of
> the manga, however, leans so heavy on the Americanization that it's
> disgusting (Youta looking over the unconscious Ai on his bed: "She's got
> huge honkers! I'm in!" I hate that fucking word--and I *run* a bloody
> website about anime breasts), and the art transfer quality is awful,
> compared to how Dark Horse did Shadow Lady.
Well you could always sell your tape on ebay and keep with the fansubs
(unless it is out on jp dvd ;-) ). Seriously, if you hate it so much you
should have taken it back for a refund or sold it off. As for the
transfer, I would be very suprised if it was off the "out of print"
Japanese LD :O.
Danielle
Danielle Scott
Man back in AX97, the regline smelled like somebody pissed on the floor
or was too afraid to loose their line and pissed on themselves.
Talk about smells like otaku sprit!
hello hello hello how low!!
:-O