Okay Inu-yasha can be on Adult Swim but Ranma can't!
David Walker
much more violent anime (her 4th best anime).
Its stuff like this that makes me want to scream!
Diana SilverLight
> WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit. Yet they decided to put on a
> much more violent anime (her 4th best anime).
>
Easier to edit? I dunno, I think Ranma as a whole would have a lot of
air-brush requiring scenes, since we apparently can't have breasts on
TV. Even nipple-less ones.
Given the other shows on the Adult Swim block, violence doesn't seem to be an issue. At all.
As for 4th best, that's your opinion, and it's different from mine.
InuYasha is the only one of Takahashi's works that has really caught my
interest. I've seen the first dozen or so eps of IY, and I'd really
like to see the rest (I'll be watching on CartoonNetwork until the DVDs
start coming out). Ranma, on the other hand? I've seen more of it,
maybe 20-30 eps, but I don't really care if I never see another one.
It's just a matter of personal taste. I think that InuYasha has the
potential to do really well, particularly if the voice acting improves a
bit after the first few episodes (a common phenomenon).
Diana
Galen Musbach
wrote:
>WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit. Yet they decided to put on a
>much more violent anime (her 4th best anime).
>
>Its stuff like this that makes me want to scream!
Violence is okay; it's nudity that's a problem.
Or even romance. Make War not Love, children.
-Galen
Derek Janssen
>
> David Walker wrote:
>
> > WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit. Yet they decided to put on a
> > much more violent anime (her 4th best anime).
>
It's still the CN stigma that, since viewers watch DBZ, Gundam and
Bebop, all anime is Action (qv. Hamtaro's "mad skills"), and if you want
Funny, well, that's Williams Street--
Hey, how about that last Sunday AS Sealab, huh? Cutting-edge satire, or
what? : D
Now, if you'd tried selling Ranma as a martial-arts punchout show, and
didn't mention the comedy (which seems to be the only conceivable way of
getting CN execs to watch it)...
Derek Janssen
dja...@rcn.com
Fish Eye no Miko
news:s0m4nus5vcsghfasc...@4ax.com...
> WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit.
I'm sorry, what are you smoking? Surely you've seen the many, MANY naked
breasts in Ranma, right? And you know that AS would have edit them ALL
out, right? Which makes it very, *very* hard to edit...
> Yet they decided to put on a much more violent anime
Violence is more acceptable on US tv. Though I disagree that it's "...not
an issue. At all". If that were the case, why are there numerous blood
edits in CB?
Catherine Johnson.
--
dis "able" to reply
"Early to bed, early to rise, drive through the drive-thru and get me some
fries."
-The Narrator, during an eyecatch for _Cartoon Planet_.
Derek Janssen
>
> > WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit.
>
> I'm sorry, what are you smoking? Surely you've seen the many, MANY naked
> breasts in Ranma, right? And you know that AS would have edit them ALL
> out, right? Which makes it very, *very* hard to edit...
...Uh, we *are* talking about the network that introduced the words
"digital bikini" to the English language, right?
(And, as with Tenchi: Look, do you want it on the air, or NOT??)
Derek Janssen
dja...@rcn.com
Chris Stassen
> WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit.
... Fish Eye no Miko replies:
> I'm sorry, what are you smoking? Surely you've seen the many, MANY naked
> breasts in Ranma, right? And you know that AS would have edit them ALL
> out, right? Which makes it very, *very* hard to edit...
When I was pre-screening Ranma for my kid, and taking notes, IIRC
there were naked cartoon breasts in about half of the episodes.
But most of those were quick flashes that wouldn't be too difficult
to edit.
As I recall, there were just a handful of episodes through season 4
that featured a relatively large amount of nudity. The worst was
s2e22 ("Bathhouse Battle! We're in Some Hot Water Now") which is
set mostly at a public bath -- where Ranma is naked and female
almost constantly. But that one episode could simply be dropped
if it was too hard to fix.
The most problematic ones, IMO, are ones which have a fair amount
of nudity AND are important for the overall story or character
development. For example, the very first episode (where Ranma and
Akane takes turns walking in on each other in the bath) and the
episode where Ranma finds out that Ryoga is P-chan (as there is a
long conversation between Ryoga and a naked Ranma in the bath).
--
Chris Stassen http://www.stassen.com/chris
NOTE: "occu...@stassen.com" is NOT a valid E-mail address
David Walker
>As for 4th best, that's your opinion, and it's different from mine.
>InuYasha is the only one of Takahashi's works that has really caught my
>interest.
Yeah, but ranma is a fun series like sailormoon. It has the potental
to bring more people into anime.
In case anyone cares:
1st - Maison Ikkoku
2nd- Ranma
3rd- One Pound Gospel
David Walker
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>"David Walker" <mcwr...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:s0m4nus5vcsghfasc...@4ax.com...
>
>> WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit.
>
>I'm sorry, what are you smoking? Surely you've seen the many, MANY naked
>breasts in Ranma, right? And you know that AS would have edit them ALL
>out, right? Which makes it very, *very* hard to edit...
Thats not really true. With the exception of a couple of bathhouse
eps...the nudity is minor, and with a few swimsuit adding it should be
no problem.
I just don't think Inu-Yasha (lesser series) is going to get a chance
at an american market and more deserving anime's like Maison Ikkoku
and Ranma.
David Walker
wrote:
>In response to David Walker...
>> WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit.
>
>The most problematic ones, IMO, are ones which have a fair amount
>of nudity AND are important for the overall story or character
>development. For example, the very first episode (where Ranma and
>Akane takes turns walking in on each other in the bath) and the
>episode where Ranma finds out that Ryoga is P-chan (as there is a
>long conversation between Ryoga and a naked Ranma in the bath).
Yes that is true. They could add bikini's to that scene.
Metlhd3138
Derek Janssen
>
> >> WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit.
> >
> >The most problematic ones, IMO, are ones which have a fair amount
> >of nudity AND are important for the overall story or character
> >development. For example, the very first episode (where Ranma and
> >Akane takes turns walking in on each other in the bath) and the
> >episode where Ranma finds out that Ryoga is P-chan (as there is a
> >long conversation between Ryoga and a naked Ranma in the bath).
>
> Yes that is true. They could add bikini's to that scene.
Most of the lesser bath scenes can be fixed with "digital steam"--
Soun's first reaction to a casually topless Ranma might be a little
trickier, but judicious cuts and a creative digital top can keep the gag intact.
And as for Ranma vs. Happosai at the bathhouse, "Outlaw Star" already
showed what happens to obligatory hot-springs episodes that don't
further the plot...
Derek Janssen (and then again, there's the way Akane first stopped
girl-Ranma from chasing P-chan)
dja...@rcn.com
Fish Eye no Miko
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> >"David Walker" <mcwr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit.
> >
> >I'm sorry, what are you smoking? Surely you've seen the many,
> >MANY naked breasts in Ranma, right? And you know that AS
> >would have edit them ALL out, right? Which makes it very, *very*
> >hard to edit...
>
> Thats not really true. With the exception of a couple of bathhouse
> eps...the nudity is minor,
It's also in a LOT of episodes, and a few important scenes that can't be
edited out. You want to see Ranma sitting in a digikini while Ryouga tells
him how he got cursed?
> and with a few swimsuit adding it should be no problem.
But then everyone bitches about digikinis. Now they're ok?
> I just don't think Inu-Yasha (lesser series) is going to get a
> chance at an american market and more deserving anime's
> like Maison Ikkoku and Ranma.
Ranma hasn't had a chance in the American market? Then why are they still
releasing tapes here?
Lord Craxton
"Metlhd3138" <metlh...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020901233731...@mb-df.aol.com...
> Why do they even use digital bikini's? Why not use black bars or
digitizing?
The latex swimsuits are less intrusive.
-Lord Craxton
Ethan Hammond
> It's still the CN stigma that, since viewers watch DBZ, Gundam and
> Bebop, all anime is Action (qv. Hamtaro's "mad skills"), and if you want
> Funny, well, that's Williams Street--
> Hey, how about that last Sunday AS Sealab, huh? Cutting-edge satire, or
> what? : D
Sealab is brilliant and Aqua Force is genius!!!!
--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html
Ethan Hammond
> I just don't think Inu-Yasha (lesser series) is going to get a chance
> at an american market and more deserving anime's like Maison Ikkoku
> and Ranma.
As sales have proven American's don't care about Maison Ikkoku and I can
almost guarantee that Inu Yashu will end with more episode than Ranma,
so calling it a lesser series is awfully stupid. Plus its better to show
something that not ever anime fan knows. I mean you get enough of that with
DBZ and Gundam.
Ethan Hammond
>
> Why do they even use digital bikini's? Why not use black bars or digitizing?
Because its a cartoon, I guess.
Ethan Hammond
>From best to worst:
Urusei Yatsura (genius)
Inu Yashu (an original concept that isn't just comedy)
Maison Ikkoku (too normal and not enough zane)
Ranma 1/2 (one joke lame main characters Panda is best guy, best story
that being volume 24 never makes it into the anime, basically a rehash
of UY but with martial arts)
So let it be written.
Kyle Thomas Pope
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>But then everyone bitches about digikinis. Now they're ok?
I think they've come to be accepted as a necessary evil. If the
alternative to a digital bikini is to have the scene cut completely or
the episode dropped entirely then the DB becomes the preferred
alternative.
-----
Kyle
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered!" - No. 6
Shaun Baker
wrote:
Sadly it seems that anything that someone can relate to sex will scare
away networks but violence seems to have a higher acceptance
level(although in the last year types of violence have become
increasingly less used). I guess that saddest part is how much stuff
some of the people see as sexual(bath scene in Totoro being one of the
most common examples).
Actually with Ranma, I believe the breast shots create less of a
problem the Happosai will in season two and beyond. The panty think
does not seem to be as common/popular in the US as Japan. I know I've
shown some of the season one boxset to my daughter(who likes Ryoga as
a pig) who is five, I would not show her any Happosai episodes.
Shaun
elsie
"Kyle Thomas Pope" <kuro...@notmail.spam.not.com> wrote in message
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I just don't think digital bikinis would work in Ranma, narratively
speaking. Too many times, the narrative centers around Ranma's actual
nudity, and most of it is in the context of a bath. I don't want to see
Ranma taking a bath with clothes on. It's too ridiculous a concept. And
other times, such as the sisters scolding Ranma for not being more modest or
Soun's reaction to a topless Ranma are dependent on Ranma's casual nudity.
laurie
"Circular logic will only make you dizzy, Doctor."
-Perpugilliam "Peri" Brown, _Dr Who_, "The Two Doctors".
David Walker
>Actually with Ranma, I believe the breast shots create less of a
>problem the Happosai will in season two and beyond. The panty think
>does not seem to be as common/popular in the US as Japan. I know I've
>shown some of the season one boxset to my daughter(who likes Ryoga as
>a pig) who is five, I would not show her any Happosai episodes.
>
Sailormoon has Raye's perverted grandfather. I really don't think
anyone would care about Happy and his problem. It just seems like
crap thats its okay to show a very bloody show like inu-yasha but a
tame comedy like ranma or even OMG!
David Walker
>And as for Ranma vs. Happosai at the bathhouse, "Outlaw Star" already
>showed what happens to obligatory hot-springs episodes that don't
>further the plot...
Really what? I never watched that series?
David Walker
>> I just don't think Inu-Yasha (lesser series) is going to get a
>> chance at an american market and more deserving anime's
>> like Maison Ikkoku and Ranma.
>
>Ranma hasn't had a chance in the American market? Then why are they still
>releasing tapes here?
But the people who buy those tapes (like me), already know and like
anime. We go into it knowing its good. I'm talking about getting the
sailormoon/pokemon crowd...the non-anime watchers. Once it gets on
the air it will take off.
I always hoped MTV would pick up MI. I think it could work in that
market.
David Walker
>I just don't think digital bikinis would work in Ranma, narratively
>speaking. Too many times, the narrative centers around Ranma's actual
>nudity, and most of it is in the context of a bath. I don't want to see
>Ranma taking a bath with clothes on. It's too ridiculous a concept. And
>other times, such as the sisters scolding Ranma for not being more modest or
>Soun's reaction to a topless Ranma are dependent on Ranma's casual nudity.
Yes, but a couple of tenchi eps couild classify that way too. They
still ran that...cut...but they ran it.
They could always say that they have an indoor hot spring pool. My
god its big enough!
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>
>> I just don't think Inu-Yasha (lesser series) is going to get a chance
>> at an american market and more deserving anime's like Maison Ikkoku
>> and Ranma.
>
>As sales have proven American's don't care about Maison Ikkoku and I can
>almost guarantee that Inu Yashu will end with more episode than Ranma,
>so calling it a lesser series is awfully stupid. Plus its better to show
>something that not ever anime fan knows. I mean you get enough of that with
>DBZ and Gundam.
No. When they finish the series I promise you the 96 eps box set will
sell well!
Inu-Yasha IS a good series I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying
it isn't her BEST. UY was terrible...I am in no way equating it with
that.
I have only seen 2 eps of DB and DBZ. I wish I could like it but its
just so stupid.
David Walker
>
>Urusei Yatsura (genius)
Okay what drugs were you using when you read/watched that piece of
crap!
>Inu Yashu (an original concept that isn't just comedy)
Agreed.
>Maison Ikkoku (too normal and not enough zane)
Your kidding right? Not zaney enough? It couldn't get more crazy at
times. It was normal, but thats what made it SUCH a good love story.
>Ranma 1/2 (one joke lame main characters Panda is best guy, best story
>that being volume 24 never makes it into the anime, basically a rehash
>of UY but with martial arts)
Yes and no. Some of the one jokes were still funny till the end.
Kyle Thomas Pope
wrote:
>I just don't think digital bikinis would work in Ranma, narratively
>speaking. Too many times, the narrative centers around Ranma's actual
>nudity, and most of it is in the context of a bath. I don't want to see
>Ranma taking a bath with clothes on. It's too ridiculous a concept.
It's already been done. Toonami had a scene with Aeka and Ryouko from
Tenchi Muyou in the bath soaping up in digitally applied swimsuits.
Narrative context is irrelevant when FCC regulations are involved.
Cartoon Network simply cannot show nudity. Regardless of how it may
affect the plot any nudity in a given anime must be modified or
excised.
Fish Eye no Miko
> >> I just don't think Inu-Yasha (lesser series) is going to get a
> >> chance at an american market and more deserving anime's
> >> like Maison Ikkoku and Ranma.
> >
> >Ranma hasn't had a chance in the American market? Then
> >why are they still releasing tapes here?
>
> But the people who buy those tapes (like me), already know and
> like anime. We go into it knowing its good. I'm talking about
> getting the sailormoon/pokemon crowd...the non-anime watchers.
> Once it gets on the air it will take off.
Why must every anime be on tv? Why must every anime attract the "non-anime
crowd"?
Frankly, I'm not sure all the people who watch _Sailor Moon_ and _Pokemon_
on tv--a lot of them are kids--would appreciate Ranma. And I'm not sure
every parent would WANT their kids watching it.
Nargun
>
>
> "Kyle Thomas Pope" <kuro...@notmail.spam.not.com> wrote in message
> news:2AA0F68AC9729872.B16C613E...@lp.airnews.net...
> > On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 04:28:09 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> > <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> >
> > >But then everyone bitches about digikinis. Now they're ok?
> >
> > I think they've come to be accepted as a necessary evil. If the
> > alternative to a digital bikini is to have the scene cut completely or
> > the episode dropped entirely then the DB becomes the preferred
> > alternative.
> >
> > -----
> > Kyle
> >
> > "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> numbered!" - No. 6
> >
>
> I just don't think digital bikinis would work in Ranma, narratively
> speaking. Too many times, the narrative centers around Ranma's actual
> nudity, and most of it is in the context of a bath. I don't want to see
> Ranma taking a bath with clothes on. It's too ridiculous a concept. And
> other times, such as the sisters scolding Ranma for not being more modest or
> Soun's reaction to a topless Ranma are dependent on Ranma's casual nudity.
Nodnodnod. Some shows it would make sense, but doing this to Ranma Misses
The Point.
Louis
--
Louis Patterson l.patt...@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au
"For the point is", continued Bill, "here we are pretty close
up to the end of the book, and something will have to be done
in a Tremendous Hurry, or else we'll be cut off short by the
cover." -- _The Magic Pudding_, Norman Lindsay
Shaun Baker
wrote:
>
>>Actually with Ranma, I believe the breast shots create less of a
>>problem the Happosai will in season two and beyond. The panty think(thing by the way)
>>does not seem to be as common/popular in the US as Japan. I know I've
>>shown some of the season one boxset to my daughter(who likes Ryoga as
>>a pig) who is five, I would not show her any Happosai episodes.
>>
>
>Sailormoon has Raye's perverted grandfather. I really don't think
>anyone would care about Happy and his problem. It just seems like
>crap thats its okay to show a very bloody show like inu-yasha but a
>tame comedy like ranma or even OMG!
Not having seen too much sailormoon I would certainly assume that
Raye's grandfather is not someone who is a major character in a lot of
episodes. Although, that being said I know some people have mentioned
that in Tiny Snow Fairy Sugar the old fairy ruler going after the much
younger(although adult) fairy would cause problems. The fact that
most of the panty thefts occur at high school(thus the female
characters are all minors) creates a lot of problems that I can see
why American TV would not want to bother with it.
Well, there's not enough OMG for them to bother with I'm sure(unless
they try to do a block set of different shows and keep a mini-goddess
episode in each showing. As a prior thread here showed, a lot of
people consider Ranma to be fairly episodic in nature where you can
omit shows if necessary(except for the real early ones and anyone that
introduces a new character). I have to imagine VIZ would love to get
Ranma on the air, and if only 75% of the episodes are air-worthy all
the better for them since then they would have an unaired show on
every other disk or so to help them sell more DVD's(VIZ goal).
On the other hand, I think Inu Yasha could have a wider appeal than
Ranma in the US for quite a few reasons. The video quality is better
for InuYasha and is set up in a fantasy land of sorts in Japan's past.
Some of the Ranma video is dated and the more modern non-US setting
could be a turn off, along with the fact that if you push the
martial-arts aspect it may turn off others.
Shaun
Arthur Levesque
Derek>already showed what happens to obligatory hot-springs episodes that
Derek>don't further the plot...
David>Really what? I never watched that series?
They simply never aired that episode.
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Arthur Levesque
Laurie>narratively speaking. Too many times, the narrative centers around
Laurie>Ranma's actual nudity, and most of it is in the context of a bath.
Laurie>I don't want to see Ranma taking a bath with clothes on. It's too
Laurie>ridiculous a concept. And other times, such as the sisters
Laurie>scolding Ranma for not being more modest or Soun's reaction to a
Laurie>topless Ranma are dependent on Ranma's casual nudity.
Someday someone will remember what the word "Adult" means in "adult
Swim", and will possibly notice the late hour and the older demographics,
as well as how much more Comedy Central gets away with at an earlier time.
Arthur Levesque
Kyle>Cartoon Network simply cannot show nudity.
Bullshit. They choose not to. You may or may not agree with the
various reasons for their choice, but it IS a choice.
Corey M. Barnes
>various reasons for their choice, but it IS a choice.
Yeah. It's choice. They're choosing it to be on the safe side. What if they
chose to SHOW nudity? That means they wouldn't fear the high possibilities of
advertisers dropping, or people threatening to sue.
- CMiB
David Walker
<kuro...@notmail.spam.not.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 21:34:04 GMT, "elsie" <lcub...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>I just don't think digital bikinis would work in Ranma, narratively
>>speaking. Too many times, the narrative centers around Ranma's actual
>>nudity, and most of it is in the context of a bath. I don't want to see
>>Ranma taking a bath with clothes on. It's too ridiculous a concept.
>
>It's already been done. Toonami had a scene with Aeka and Ryouko from
>Tenchi Muyou in the bath soaping up in digitally applied swimsuits.
>Narrative context is irrelevant when FCC regulations are involved.
>Cartoon Network simply cannot show nudity. Regardless of how it may
>affect the plot any nudity in a given anime must be modified or
>excised.
To be fair...they can. They choose not to like most cable networks.
Cable has different rules then Network channels.
David Walker
>Why must every anime be on tv? Why must every anime attract the "non-anime
>crowd"?
Cause thats how you get a following. When you get a following you get
more stuff that normally companys wouldn't look twice at...to see if
that will get a following.
Ranma would have never come to the US without people who wanted it.
What was the chance we were going to get Sailormoon dubbed without the
DiC help? None, but people pushed for it.
>Frankly, I'm not sure all the people who watch _Sailor Moon_ and _Pokemon_
>on tv--a lot of them are kids--would appreciate Ranma. And I'm not sure
>every parent would WANT their kids watching it.
>
Ranma is more play violence. You know no one is going to die...and
its funny.
Fish Eye no Miko
> >Why must every anime be on tv? Why must every anime attract
> >the "non-anime crowd"?
>
> Cause thats how you get a following.
Again, Ranma seems to have gotten quite a following without being on tv.
So have RK, Eva, and Utena and Eva, all have been mentioned for airing on
CN or some other major network, but which I don't feel would work.
> When you get a following you get more stuff that normally
> companys wouldn't look twice at...to see if that will get a following.
All of which can happen without every anime being put on tv. Some, yes.
Not all. Some couldn't be.
> Ranma would have never come to the US without people who wanted it.
Which it did without being on tv.
> What was the chance we were going to get Sailormoon dubbed without
> the DiC help? None, but people pushed for it.
Yes, and look how well that worked out.
> >Frankly, I'm not sure all the people who watch _Sailor Moon_ and
> >_Pokemon_ on tv--a lot of them are kids--would appreciate Ranma.
> >And I'm not sure every parent would WANT their kids watching it.
>
> Ranma is more play violence.
I never said because of the violence. Some people would not want their
kids to see the nudity or sexual innuendo.
Catherine Johnson.
--
dis "able" to reply
Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
Derek Janssen
And at CN, advertising is the soul of existence--
They might still be able to keep AOL 7.0 and Warner movies, but without
Cool Nestea or Maxim Hair Color, what WOULD become of Adult Swim?? 0_0
Derek Janssen
dja...@rcn.com
Lord Craxton
> >Why must every anime be on tv? Why must every anime attract the
"non-anime
> >crowd"?
>
Good things deserve to be shared with the world. ^_^
-Lord Craxton
Ethan Hammond
>
> >>From best to worst:
> >
> >Urusei Yatsura (genius)
>
> Okay what drugs were you using when you read/watched that piece of
> crap!
I grew up watching it.
> >Maison Ikkoku (too normal and not enough zane)
>
> Your kidding right? Not zaney enough? It couldn't get more crazy at
> times. It was normal, but thats what made it SUCH a good love story.
I lived in Tokyo so I know what normal Japanese life is like and I don't
like love stories that much.
Ethan Hammond
> Inu-Yasha IS a good series I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying
> it isn't her BEST. UY was terrible...I am in no way equating it with
> that.
I reckon you ain't see that much of UY cityboy, tarnation. I tell you what!!!!
UY = Badass Genius Sugoi Anime!!!!
Ethan Hammond
>
> Kyle>Narrative context is irrelevant when FCC regulations are involved.
> Kyle>Cartoon Network simply cannot show nudity.
>
> Bullshit. They choose not to. You may or may not agree with the
> various reasons for their choice, but it IS a choice.
Yes but then they would have to give it an M rating and risk losing there
high class sponsors.
Arthur Levesque
Kyle>Cartoon Network simply cannot show nudity.
Arthur>Bullshit. They choose not to. You may or may not agree with the
Arthur>various reasons for their choice, but it IS a choice.
Ethan>Yes but then they would have to give it an M rating and risk losing
Ethan>there high class sponsors.
That's as may be; but it's still a choice and *not* FCC regulations.
IW!
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
IIRC, Rei's grandfather's perversion was toned down in the dub,
and Happy is even much worse than the grandfather.
So just imagine how much work CN has to do to tone him down,
even for Adult Swim.
Plus, Happy does much of his mischief on girls in school,
a very sensitive area in American psyche.
Laters. =)
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I don't think MI is MTV material.
Think, it's not as raunchy as Real World, MTV's kind of show.
Besides, MTV dropped its animation department awhile ago.
They didn't even finish "Downtown," with just 1 or 2 eps left.
Farix
>
> >Why must every anime be on tv? Why must every anime attract the
"non-anime
> >crowd"?
>
> Cause thats how you get a following.
Ranma doesn't have a following?
::looks at the legions of Ranma fans::
Could have foold me.
> Ranma would have never come to the US without people who wanted it.
That's about true for every series. But frankly Ranma is old and isn't all
that interesting after a few episodes. I'm amaised that its popularity has
even lasted THIS long.
> What was the chance we were going to get Sailormoon dubbed without the
> DiC help?
Pretty good actually. DiC just happened to be the highest bidder (for
better or for worse).
Farix, damnit were is my spell checker?
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> On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, David Walker wrote:
>
> >
> > >Actually with Ranma, I believe the breast shots create less of a
> > >problem the Happosai will in season two and beyond. The panty think
> > >does not seem to be as common/popular in the US as Japan. I know I've
> > >shown some of the season one boxset to my daughter(who likes Ryoga as
> > >a pig) who is five, I would not show her any Happosai episodes.
> > >
> >
> > Sailormoon has Raye's perverted grandfather. I really don't think
> > anyone would care about Happy and his problem. It just seems like
> > crap thats its okay to show a very bloody show like inu-yasha but a
> > tame comedy like ranma or even OMG!
> >
>
> IIRC, Rei's grandfather's perversion was toned down in the dub,
> and Happy is even much worse than the grandfather.
It wasn't toned down. It was completely removed.
Farix
David Walker
wrote:
Couldn't have said it better.
David Walker
>> What was the chance we were going to get Sailormoon dubbed without
>> the DiC help? None, but people pushed for it.
>
>Yes, and look how well that worked out.
Yeah...but in defence of DiC. They arn't a real anime dubber and
didn't care about making sure the little things that ViZ & AD care
about. They wanted to make the series as mainstream as they could
get...and they did.
David Walker
>that interesting after a few episodes. I'm amaised that its popularity has
>even lasted THIS long.
>
Its the secondary characters that move ranma. Ryouga, Shampoo, Ukyou
they are want makes the series fun. How much can they screw with
ranma. I would say the eps started going down hill after the 70th
eps.
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>
>> Inu-Yasha IS a good series I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying
>> it isn't her BEST. UY was terrible...I am in no way equating it with
>> that.
>
>I reckon you ain't see that much of UY cityboy, tarnation. I tell you what!!!!
>UY = Badass Genius Sugoi Anime!!!!
I have seen enough to know what I saw. Chaos mixed with Insanity.
The series was just bad. It did have some good eps, but the amount of
those could be counted on one hand.
Ethan Hammond
>
> Kyle>Narrative context is irrelevant when FCC regulations are involved.
> Kyle>Cartoon Network simply cannot show nudity.
>
> Arthur>Bullshit. They choose not to. You may or may not agree with the
> Arthur>various reasons for their choice, but it IS a choice.
>
> Ethan>Yes but then they would have to give it an M rating and risk losing
> Ethan>there high class sponsors.
>
> That's as may be; but it's still a choice and *not* FCC regulations.
> IW!
Did I say it was FCC regulation? Nope sure didn't.
Ethan Hammond
I doubt you have seen all 198 episodes plus all the movies and OVA's.
Ethan Hammond
Midway through Nitotten or whatever it is I lost interest.
Fish Eye no Miko
> > But frankly Ranma is old and isn't all that interesting after
> >a few episodes. I'm amaised that its popularity has even
> >lasted THIS long.
>
> Its the secondary characters that move ranma.
Not so much for me.
> Ryouga, Shampoo, Ukyou they are want makes the series fun.
In your opinion. I like Ryouga, but Shampoo just annoys me.
> How much can they screw with ranma. I would say the
> eps started going down hill after the 70th eps.
Oh, waaaaaaay before that.
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> > >Why must every anime be on tv? Why must every anime attract
> > >the "non-anime crowd"?
>
> Good things deserve to be shared with the world. ^_^
Yes, ANIME should be shared with the world, but not *every* anime series
is all that good, and has to be shared.
And, anyway, that can happen without it being put on tv, which was my main
point.
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Fish Eye no Miko
> >> What was the chance we were going to get Sailormoon
> >> dubbed without the DiC help? None, but people
> >> pushed for it.
> >
> >Yes, and look how well that worked out.
>
> Yeah...but in defence of DiC. They arn't a real anime dubber
Which makes me wonder why they picked up an ANIME series to DUB...
Yes, I know, I know... they thought it would be the next big thing and
wanted to make money. And Toei cares so little for their product they
don't care who gets ahold of it or what they do with it as long as they get
paid well...
> and didn't care about making sure the little things that ViZ
> & AD care about. They wanted to make the series as
> mainstream as they could get...and they did.
And the dub is a joke because of it. d-:
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> WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit. Yet they decided to put on a
> much more violent anime (her 4th best anime).
> Its stuff like this that makes me want to scream!
Welcome to America...where blood and violence is acceptable, but a naked
breast is automatically "dirty", "wrong", and "porn."
Short of painting lots of digital bikinis on folks (lots of digital bikinis),
Ranma will never make it onto a basic cable station.
David Walker
>> and didn't care about making sure the little things that ViZ
>> & AD care about. They wanted to make the series as
>> mainstream as they could get...and they did.
>
>And the dub is a joke because of it. d-:
Well I enjoyed it. :>
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>>
>> > But frankly Ranma is old and isn't all
>> >that interesting after a few episodes. I'm amaised that its popularity has
>> >even lasted THIS long.
>> >
>>
>> Its the secondary characters that move ranma. Ryouga, Shampoo, Ukyou
>> they are want makes the series fun. How much can they screw with
>> ranma. I would say the eps started going down hill after the 70th
>> eps.
>
>Midway through Nitotten or whatever it is I lost interest.
Thats around the 70th eps. Prob when the Gambling King was
interdused. The Manga had a few gems...the anime didn't. The eps I
hated the most were the joke attacks. Where all the build up ended up
being something lame.
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 06:58:44 GMT, Ethan Hammond
>> <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >David Walker wrote:
>> >
>> >> Inu-Yasha IS a good series I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying
>> >> it isn't her BEST. UY was terrible...I am in no way equating it with
>> >> that.
>> >
>> >I reckon you ain't see that much of UY cityboy, tarnation. I tell you what!!!!
>> >UY = Badass Genius Sugoi Anime!!!!
>>
>> I have seen enough to know what I saw. Chaos mixed with Insanity.
>> The series was just bad. It did have some good eps, but the amount of
>> those could be counted on one hand.
>
>I doubt you have seen all 198 episodes plus all the movies and OVA's.
No 40+ eps, all the OAV's and unfortually all the movies. (WTF was up
with #4, Really liked #2)
David Walker
wrote:
Ranma dosn't have that much nudity. In fact I would say 65% of the
eps don't have ANY nudity.
Corey M. Barnes
>Cool Nestea or Maxim Hair Color, what WOULD become of Adult Swim?? 0_0
Don't forget Kotex tampons, AT&T, Motorola, Holiday Inn Express, and the
occasional anime DVD at Best Buy and Suncoast.
- CMiB
Wyvern
"Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> David Walker wrote:
> >
> > WTF! Ranma would be so easy to edit. Yet they decided to put on a
> > much more violent anime (her 4th best anime).
> >
> > Its stuff like this that makes me want to scream!
>
>
> Urusei Yatsura (genius)
The cool thing about UY is how much it improves as the series goes along.
The first dozen episodes or so are pretty medicore by my reckoning, but
things really pick up and the show ends up being amazing. It seems like the
point of UY is just for Takahashi to let her imagination run wild;all manner
of insanity everywhere, with no uniting theme except that "it's funny!" (and
maybe space aliens, but only about half the cast are aliens) Not to mention
the movies, which I love-UY movie 1 was the first subbed anime I ever saw.
> Inu Yashu (an original concept that isn't just comedy)
I think after doing repatitive comedy series for twenty years, Rumiko really
wanted to challenge herself to do something different, something where she
coulden't just establish a status quo to keep milking for laughs. Gotta
admire that, and it turned out very well.
> Maison Ikkoku (too normal and not enough zane)
I disagree-I thought this was a very good love story. I'd put it at least on
equal footing with Inu-Yasha (although I've seen far less of IY than of MI)
MI's only real failing is that she draws it out a bit too much.
> Ranma 1/2 (one joke lame main characters Panda is best guy, best story
> that being volume 24 never makes it into the anime, basically a rehash
> of UY but with martial arts)
I really like Ranma, but again, it went on too long. It was her real
follow-up to UY-in fact, Ranma himself is pretty much recycled from the UY
charecter Ryonosuke (and Genma from Rynosuke's father, natch) Ranma is home
to Rumiko's greatest ensamble cast ever, which is really saying something,
but eventually it reaches the point where there's nothing for them to do but
beat up on each other in various wacky ways (martial arts tea ceremony,
martial arts gambling, martial arts play-acting, etc) and reboot everything
to status quo when they're done. It's really the opposite of UY in that it
started out really strong in my book, but gradually lost momentum until
about halfway through the fourth season you get the feeling the charecters
are just running on cruise control and you get that awful "Am I sure I
haven't seen this episode once before?" feeling.
-Wyvern
Fish Eye no Miko
> Ranma dosn't have that much nudity. In fact I would say 65% of
> the eps don't have ANY nudity.
Which still leaves 35% of episodes that have nudity. That's over 35 eps
that will need some kind of editing. How many eps of IY will need this
kind of editing?
Ethan Hammond
> The cool thing about UY is how much it improves as the series goes along.
> The first dozen episodes or so are pretty medicore by my reckoning, but
> things really pick up and the show ends up being amazing. It seems like the
> point of UY is just for Takahashi to let her imagination run wild;all manner
> of insanity everywhere, with no uniting theme except that "it's funny!" (and
> maybe space aliens, but only about half the cast are aliens) Not to mention
> the movies, which I love-UY movie 1 was the first subbed anime I ever saw.
I like the no limits aspect of UY. Which is why I think it is her best series.
Ethan Hammond
> >Midway through Nitotten or whatever it is I lost interest.
>
> Thats around the 70th eps. Prob when the Gambling King was
> interdused. The Manga had a few gems...the anime didn't. The eps I
> hated the most were the joke attacks. Where all the build up ended up
> being something lame.
I hated the joke attacks. Again and again. It was stupid. Then it
started to pick up again in the second to last episode and then it
was done.
Ethan Hammond
> No 40+ eps, all the OAV's and unfortually all the movies. (WTF was up
> with #4, Really liked #2)
They were being random in the 4th movie RANDOM!!!!
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>
>> >Midway through Nitotten or whatever it is I lost interest.
>>
>> Thats around the 70th eps. Prob when the Gambling King was
>> interdused. The Manga had a few gems...the anime didn't. The eps I
>> hated the most were the joke attacks. Where all the build up ended up
>> being something lame.
>
>I hated the joke attacks. Again and again. It was stupid. Then it
>started to pick up again in the second to last episode and then it
>was done.
All the eps where they got REAL new attacks were GREAT! But it got to
a point where you couldn't really belive that any attack was great
cause they had beaten to DEATH the satome school ...blah blah.
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>
>> No 40+ eps, all the OAV's and unfortually all the movies. (WTF was up
>> with #4, Really liked #2)
>
>They were being random in the 4th movie RANDOM!!!!
It that supposed to make it make sence? I can't belive I sat through
it. I couldn't belive they would take the time to make such a BAD and
confusing movie. I know the creators must have loved it...but thats
about it.
David Walker
>> Maison Ikkoku (too normal and not enough zane)
>
>I disagree-I thought this was a very good love story.
Really? What do you think was drawn out? I never got dull with the
series (manga) at any time. In fact I read the whole series once a
year...I look forward to going back into that world. There were some
lame by the numbers eps (baseball, costumes)...but nothing compaired
to the drivil that UY put forward.
David Walker
wrote:
>In article <H4gd9.6686$6i4.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>Wyvern <lu...@pirate.ship> wrote:
>>I think after doing repatitive comedy series for twenty years, Rumiko really
>>wanted to challenge herself to do something different, something where she
>>coulden't just establish a status quo to keep milking for laughs. Gotta
>>admire that, and it turned out very well.
>
>Well, there's always the Mermaid series. Of course that wasn't really a
>regular series (and anyone notice that Takahashi has had quite a lot of series
>that use traditional Japanese supernatural creatures?)
>
>>I really like Ranma, but again, it went on too long. It was her real
>>follow-up to UY-in fact, Ranma himself is pretty much recycled from the UY
>>charecter Ryonosuke (and Genma from Rynosuke's father, natch) ...
>
>Sometimes I've thought that Inuyasha is really a similar kind of followup to
>Ranma. The Ranma series became somewhat of an adventure series with the
>Saffron story.
Thats what ranma SHOULD had been...an adventure series...with
character devolopment.
With the exception of the last 8 books it was a do it by the numbers
series.
David Walker
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>"David Walker" <mcwr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Ranma dosn't have that much nudity. In fact I would say 65% of
>> the eps don't have ANY nudity.
>
>Which still leaves 35% of episodes that have nudity. That's over 35 eps
>that will need some kind of editing. How many eps of IY will need this
>kind of editing?
Nudity...Maybe 20% and the violence needs editing in every eps. It's
gonna cost more to do those eps then it would take to edit ranma.
Fish Eye no Miko
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
> >"David Walker" <mcwr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ranma dosn't have that much nudity. In fact I would say 65%
> >> of the eps don't have ANY nudity.
> >
> >Which still leaves 35% of episodes that have nudity. That's over 35
> >eps that will need some kind of editing. How many eps of IY will
> >need this kind of editing?
>
> Nudity...Maybe 20%
Which is a smaller percentage than Ranma, and it has fewer eps (so far).
So that's less.
> and the violence needs editing in every eps.
I'm not so sure. As has been said before: Like it or not, you can get
away with violence moreso than nudity and sex in America.
> It's gonna cost more to do those eps then it would take to edit
> ranma.
I'm not sure it will.
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Ethan Hammond
The 4th movie is the dream the rats have or something, I don't think it
is supposed to be anything but random, basically they were trying to
recapture the magic of movie 2 and Yamazaki wasn't up to the job.
Ethan Hammond
> Nudity...Maybe 20% and the violence needs editing in every eps. It's
> gonna cost more to do those eps then it would take to edit ranma.
I don't think Viz would put out Ranma because it is already popular and
it wouldn't help Viz sell that many more units of Ranma if it was on
TV. Its the bottom line. *nods*
Ethan Hammond
One thing I do wish however is that they had put out a movie of the Herb
storyline from the manga, it is my favorite story in all of Ranma.
Pål Are Nordal
>
> I don't think Viz would put out Ranma because it is already popular
> and it wouldn't help Viz sell that many more units of Ranma if it was
> on TV. Its the bottom line. *nods*
Was it pointless for Pioneer to get Tenchi on TV? No, getting Ranma
aired would be a license to print money... A whole new group of buyers
for a product that's already made.
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:03:58 GMT, Ethan Hammond
>> <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >David Walker wrote:
>> >
>> >> >Midway through Nitotten or whatever it is I lost interest.
>> >>
>> >> Thats around the 70th eps. Prob when the Gambling King was
>> >> interdused. The Manga had a few gems...the anime didn't. The eps I
>> >> hated the most were the joke attacks. Where all the build up ended up
>> >> being something lame.
>> >
>> >I hated the joke attacks. Again and again. It was stupid. Then it
>> >started to pick up again in the second to last episode and then it
>> >was done.
>>
>> All the eps where they got REAL new attacks were GREAT! But it got to
>> a point where you couldn't really belive that any attack was great
>> cause they had beaten to DEATH the satome school ...blah blah.
>
>One thing I do wish however is that they had put out a movie of the Herb
>storyline from the manga, it is my favorite story in all of Ranma.
The herb story? It was okay. I liked the Ryu saga,and that one in
volume 24, I can't belived people pick the 8 headed dragon story over
all the better ones.
Shaun Baker
wrote:
I really don't think there's that much nudity, admittedly I wouldn't
have thought of Mistress Centipede as needing editing if asked before
the US versions were shown. We have maybe a few bathing scenes with
Kagome(very easy to snip a few frames if needed - certainly nothing I
recall is plot related). I'd say easily less than 5% of episodes have
anything needed. Even counting violence needing editing I would say
it's easily less than 20% and relatively easy to do.
The nudity in Ranma would be a lot harder to get around. Some of it
is very relevant to the plot. Some of the situations would be a lot
harder to change, Ranma's chest being grabbed is a problem whether
totally exposed or digitally covered, an old guy flipping up high
school girls skirts/invading showers will not sit well with
conservative execs who make the decisions.
Hopefully this will get the InuYasha DVD's out sooner, and they better
be 4 eps per disk as opposed to the 3/disk we have with Ranma.
Shaun
Shaun Baker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>
>> Nudity...Maybe 20% and the violence needs editing in every eps. It's
>> gonna cost more to do those eps then it would take to edit ranma.
>
>I don't think Viz would put out Ranma because it is already popular and
>it wouldn't help Viz sell that many more units of Ranma if it was on
>TV. Its the bottom line. *nods*
I gotta believe that the potential increase in sales from TV exposure
is significant. I doubt Ranma sells in quantities similar to
Pokeman/Dragonball Z. Especially since the dubwork is fully
completed the only cost would be editing(which admittedly could take a
bit of effort). The bottom line would be why they would want it.
Shaun
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:03:57 GMT, Ethan Hammond
>> <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >David Walker wrote:
>> >
>> >> No 40+ eps, all the OAV's and unfortually all the movies. (WTF was up
>> >> with #4, Really liked #2)
>> >
>> >They were being random in the 4th movie RANDOM!!!!
>>
>> It that supposed to make it make sence? I can't belive I sat through
>> it. I couldn't belive they would take the time to make such a BAD and
>> confusing movie. I know the creators must have loved it...but thats
>> about it.
>
>The 4th movie is the dream the rats have or something, I don't think it
>is supposed to be anything but random, basically they were trying to
>recapture the magic of movie 2 and Yamazaki wasn't up to the job.
Yeah, but someone had to animate this. You would have thought someone
would have stopped this movie from being made at some point.
David Walker
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>David Walker wrote:
>
>> Nudity...Maybe 20% and the violence needs editing in every eps. It's
>> gonna cost more to do those eps then it would take to edit ranma.
>
>I don't think Viz would put out Ranma because it is already popular and
>it wouldn't help Viz sell that many more units of Ranma if it was on
>TV. Its the bottom line. *nods*
I disagree. I think more people who like the series the more DVD's
they could sell of the later seasons, or the movies.
David Walker
Ethan Hammond
APPLES AND ORANGES!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
Doug Jacobs
> Why do they even use digital bikini's? Why not use black bars or digitizing?
Because then they'd be naaaaaaaakeed. The black bars and mosaic thing are
only used to cover up "naughty bits." and lord knows we can't have naughty
bits on TV - heavens no!
This way they're not naked - they're just wearing bathing suits. In a bath.
Drinking "Green Tea" out of little wooden boxes.
Ethan Hammond
> >One thing I do wish however is that they had put out a movie of the Herb
> >storyline from the manga, it is my favorite story in all of Ranma.
>
> The herb story? It was okay. I liked the Ryu saga,and that one in
> volume 24, I can't belived people pick the 8 headed dragon story over
> all the better ones.
Volume 24 = Herb. I hate the 8 headed dragon too.
Ethan Hammond
> >The 4th movie is the dream the rats have or something, I don't think it
> >is supposed to be anything but random, basically they were trying to
> >recapture the magic of movie 2 and Yamazaki wasn't up to the job.
>
> Yeah, but someone had to animate this. You would have thought someone
> would have stopped this movie from being made at some point.
But then the rabid UY fans would revolt and that would be the end of Fuji
Telvision!!!!
Doug Jacobs
> Yes that is true. They could add bikini's to that scene.
So, would naked Ranma-kun's boxers suddenly turn into a 2-piece when he
gets splashed with cold water? :)
Doug Jacobs
> And at CN, advertising is the soul of existence--
> They might still be able to keep AOL 7.0 and Warner movies, but without
> Cool Nestea or Maxim Hair Color, what WOULD become of Adult Swim?? 0_0
I find the idea of Maxim Hair Color dropping their ads because Adult Swim
decided to show nudity highly hypocritical...
Ethan Hammond
> >I don't think Viz would put out Ranma because it is already popular and
> >it wouldn't help Viz sell that many more units of Ranma if it was on
> >TV. Its the bottom line. *nods*
>
> I disagree. I think more people who like the series the more DVD's
> they could sell of the later seasons, or the movies.
In theory they could just advertise Ranma during Toonami and have the same
effect. Which is something I have been wondering why more anime companies
aren't doing. I always see the lame magazine ads but never any TV ads.
God it would be wonderful to see a commercial for the Nuku Nuku DVD on
US television are you listening AD Vision!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
Doug Jacobs
> Yes but then they would have to give it an M rating and risk losing there
> high class sponsors.
I don't think CN will ever be able to show "M" shows.
They'll have to split the network or something first.
Doug Jacobs
> I always hoped MTV would pick up MI. I think it could work in that
> market.
Naw, it doesn't have enough near-naked smut in it, and would lose out to
"Undressed" which looks like a porn film with all the actual porn cut out.
Ethan Hammond
But the acting is better in porn films, its sad but true.
Doug Jacobs
> Again, Ranma seems to have gotten quite a following without being on tv.
> So have RK, Eva, and Utena and Eva, all have been mentioned for airing on
> CN or some other major network, but which I don't feel would work.
At the same time, I don't see Ranma action figures at the local Toys'R'Us...
While I agree that not all TV anime is going to be appropriate for US TV
no matter how much editting you do, I don't see why we shouldn't be pushing
for more anime on TV.
That is, after all, where fandom gets most of its fans. And it's also the
best way to reach a broader audience who isn't going to go out of its way
to find anime otherwise.
Doug Jacobs
> Yeah...but in defence of DiC. They arn't a real anime dubber and
> didn't care about making sure the little things that ViZ & AD care
> about. They wanted to make the series as mainstream as they could
> get...and they did.
LOL! I coulda swore you were implying that Viz cares about anime...
Doug Jacobs
> As sales have proven American's don't care about Maison Ikkoku and I can
> almost guarantee that Inu Yashu will end with more episode than Ranma,
> so calling it a lesser series is awfully stupid. Plus its better to show
> something that not ever anime fan knows. I mean you get enough of that with
> DBZ and Gundam.
I'm sure Inu Yasha will out-do Ranma because of its TV exposure.
As for MI....well, only Viz has itself to blame for that.
Doug Jacobs
> Besides, MTV dropped its animation department awhile ago.
> They didn't even finish "Downtown," with just 1 or 2 eps left.
I loved Downtown! The convention episode just freaked me out.
Doug Jacobs
> I have seen enough to know what I saw. Chaos mixed with Insanity.
> The series was just bad. It did have some good eps, but the amount of
> those could be counted on one hand.
But yet you like Ranma?
Ah well...
Seems most fans go for only one or the other - probably because they're so
much alike.