Top 20 animated movies "of all time"
Your Name
Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
Top 20 Animated Movies, as voted by you
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Over 2,200 votes were cast in our Animated Movies poll
asking "What is your favourite animated movie of all
time?". Here are New Zealand's Top 20.
20. South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut
1999 | Comedy Central
When a popular cartoon series makes its feature-length
debut, it's usually pretty underwhelming. But Matt
Stone and Trey Parker defied the convention, using
their crass humour, crude animation and masterful
song-writing ability to hilarious effect. Bigger
Longer & Uncut isn't just a great animated movie, it's
a brilliant musical.
19. The Triplets of Belleville
2003 | Co-production
To describe The Triplets of Belleville would be like
describing a temporal enigma in time and space.
However, the film's peculiarity is its greatest
strength, locking your attention with its exaggerated
caricatures, other-worldly vibrancy and fluid
hand-drawn animation. Plus, the Oscar-nominated song
will stay in your head for years.
18. Akira
1988 | TMS Entertainment
What some may call "the animated Blade Runner," Akira
demonstrates the best of what anime can offer: deep
characters, a complex world, face-meltingly fluid
animation and an absorbing edginess. Let's hope the
Hollywood remake can achieve at least a fifth of that.
17. My Neighbour Totoro
1988 | Studio Ghibli
Studio Ghibli's an animated storytelling force, and
Totoro's their shining badge of honour. When it comes
to affecting your audience, big adorable cats have an
unfair advantage. However, Totoro holds you in with
its beautiful tale of loneliness and uncertainty. Plus,
there's a cat bus.
16. Dumbo
1941 | Disney
With his studio struggling financially, Disney made
Dumbo cheaply and quickly. Ditching the detail of Snow
White and Pinnochio, a more simplistic, character-driven
approach was employed and the result was a beautiful
water colour pallete, economical storytelling and
charming characters. Still a remarkable watch, 70 years
on, it's simple themes of friendship, loneliness and
fulfilling one's potential can't help but leave a smile
on your face (as well as pink elephants in your
nightmares).
15. The Iron Giant
1999 | Warner Bros.
Sometimes, you don't need a musical number to express
a point. The Iron Giant isn't just Vin Diesel's
greatest acting performance ever, it's a wonderfully
realised story of alienation, friendship, ignorance
and understanding, tugging at the heartstrings in
every beautiful and devastating way. "SupermanŠ"
*sniff*
14. Aladdin
1992 | Disney
If you're going to retell a timeless tale, you'll want
to do it with flare. For Aladdin, that equated to some
splendid song-writing, gorgeous art direction and five
mouthfuls of Robin Williams. The end result: a wildly
enjoyable film that recaptured the wonder of its
source material.
13. The Incredibles
2004 | Disney, Pixar
Pixar's scene-bursting attempt at a superhero film
could've been straightforward and derivative. Instead,
with the guidance of Brad Bird (The Simpsons, The
Incredibles), they weaved their usual visual lolly
scramble with an impressively intricate story that
wasn't afraid to get its hands dirty. And that end
battle scene? Incredible. Like, actually.
12. Fantastic Mr. Fox
2009 | 20th Century Fox
Out of nowhere came Wes Anderson with his stop-frame
animated adaptation of Roald Dahl. With its witty
script, (genuine) all-star cast and low-fi, rag doll
animation, Fantastic Mr. Fox is cooler than Clooney's
swagger (even with the annoying click click whistle
thing).
11. WALL-E
2008 | Disney, Pixar
The opening 20 minutes of 2008's Oscar winner needed
no dialog to set the scene. That's animated
storytelling at its finest. While the visuals were
typically spectacular, it's the film's humanity that
sets it apart. WALL-E is one part romance, one part
environmental statement and a whole load of greatness.
10. Footrot Flats: The Dog's Tale [New Zealand made movie]
1986 | Magpie Productions, Kerridge-Odeon
New Zealand's animated slice of awesomeness released
(and will re-release) the tiny town of Raupo to
cinemas. Though the rest of the world's devoid of
recognising its charm, Footrot Flats' brilliance lies
within its cheeky commentary on kiwi culture, both
mockingly and lovingly.
9. The Nightmare Before Christmas
1993 | Skellington Productions, Touchstone
You've got to wonder how Selick and Burton pitched the
idea of this stop-mo Halloween Christmas musical
hybrid. We're glad they did though. The Nightmare
Before Christmas successfully shaped a generation
through its infectious music, its vibrant characters
and its uniquely gothic charm.
8. Up
2009 | Disney, Pixar
The first 10 minutes of Up were enough to secure it
the 2009 Oscar, gently guiding the audience through
the lives of Carl and his love Ellie, from childhood
till death parted them. What proceeded was a film that
was often harrowing, funny and always full of heart.
7. Spirited Away
2001 | Studio Ghibli
For a Miyazaki film, Spirited Away is pretty tame on
the story front, choosing instead to overload the
occipital lobe with sublime animation, contained
within an infinitely fascinating world. Every minute
of the film puts your imagination to shame.
6. Beauty and the Beast
1991 | Disney
As the first animated movie to be nominated for Best
Picture by the Academy, Beauty and the Beast is a
typical fairytale love story of two social outcasts.
However, it's the film's dynamic art direction,
memorable characters, wonderful music and
awe-inspiring hand-drawn animation that cements its
classic status.
5. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
1937 | Disney
The original Disney classic still shines with the
quality of its contemporary animated counterparts.
Walt's wondrous adaptation laid the fundamentals of
animated storytelling, some of which the majority
still cannot grasp. With its recent Blu-ray transfer,
Snow White remains as stunning as it did in 1937.
4. Finding Nemo
2003 | Disney, Pixar
For animated flicks, father-son relationships are
rarely expressed in depth, but Pixar took it to the
seabed with a pursuit story that transcends the
Pacific. Alongside Pixar's typical visual TLC, Brooks,
DeGeneres and the co-cast's phenomenal performances
sell the film's tender tale of hope, love and
determination.
3. Shrek
2001 | DreamWorks Animation
Whether you favour the sequels or not, the original
story of a seemingly apathetic ogre's discovery of
contradictory love in a fairytale world stands as a
classic. DreamWorks combined gorgeous CG with a witty
script and an ending that twisted ye ol' ideals in a
charming and surprisingly thought-provoking way.
2. Toy Story
1995 | Disney, Pixar
As the first fully CG feature-length film, Pixar left
a monstrous impression on cinema. Not just visually
however, but also by endearing audiences with
characters that tap into the best moments of our
childhood. Followed by two equally memorable sequels,
Toy Story stands as an extraordinary mark on animated
cinema.
1. The Lion King
1994 | Disney
Everybody loves The Lion King. The coming-of-age
story of a cub and his kingdom is told with
originality, visual flare, humour, romanticism and
moments of tear-inducing sadness, all accompanied by
an astonishing soundtrack. Many animated movies excel
in a particular number of qualities. The Lion King
shoots for the moon and achieves it all.
"Everybody loves The Lion King"?!?!? Not me - I can't stand musicals of
any kind, including Disney's animated efforts.
Brian
> 20. South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut
> 1999 | Comedy Central
> 19. The Triplets of Belleville
> 2003 | Co-production
Never seen it or even heard of it.
> 18. Akira
> 1988 | TMS Entertainment
I have "heard of" this, I just have never seen it, and somewhere along
the line got the impression that it was a "cartoon miniseries," or OVA,
though it was made well before that term came into being. Kinda like
Battle Athletes (not victory), where there were a series of 6 or so ~hour
long "mini-movies."
> 17. My Neighbour Totoro
> 1988 | Studio Ghibli
Never seen it either, but stuff from Studio Ghibli is pretty good.
> 16. Dumbo
> 1941 | Disney
I believe I have seen this on TV, and recall liking it, but such memories
are very hazy.
> 15. The Iron Giant
> 1999 | Warner Bros.
It was OK, but top 20?
> 14. Aladdin
> 1992 | Disney
Robin Williams ad-libbing made this film.
> 13. The Incredibles
> 2004 | Disney, Pixar
This was a good one as well, but I am glad I waited until it made it to
TV.
> 12. Fantastic Mr. Fox
> 2009 | 20th Century Fox
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> 8. Up
> 2009 | Disney, Pixar
Never seen any of these.
> 7. Spirited Away
> 2001 | Studio Ghibli
Perhaps the best movie on this list.
> 6. Beauty and the Beast
> 1991 | Disney
I quite liked the songs from this movie, but have only seen clips of the
actual movie.
> 5. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
> 1937 | Disney
>
> 4. Finding Nemo
> 2003 | Disney, Pixar
>
> 3. Shrek
> 2001 | DreamWorks Animation
I am pretty sure I have seen these on TV, and thought they were all
pretty good.
> 2. Toy Story
> 1995 | Disney, Pixar
Perhaps the 2nd best movie on this list
> 1. The Lion King
> 1994 | Disney
Elton John is by far my favorite musical artist, but I guess I am not
part of everybody because I thought the movie was just OK, I certainly
did not "love it."
Brian Christiansen
Brian
Oh, I forgot to mention, My 2 favorite animated movies, Fantasia, and
Fantasia 2000 did not make this list.
Brian Christiansen
Rob Kelk
<brian_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Non-anime stuff snipped.
<snip>
>> 18. Akira
>> 1988 | TMS Entertainment
>I have "heard of" this, I just have never seen it, and somewhere along
>the line got the impression that it was a "cartoon miniseries," or OVA,
>though it was made well before that term came into being. Kinda like
>Battle Athletes (not victory), where there were a series of 6 or so ~hour
>long "mini-movies."
It's... okay, I guess.
>> 17. My Neighbour Totoro
>> 1988 | Studio Ghibli
>Never seen it either, but stuff from Studio Ghibli is pretty good.
One of the best children's movies I've ever seen, in any medium or
genre. Go buy a copy and watch it.
<snip>
>> 7. Spirited Away
>> 2001 | Studio Ghibli
>Perhaps the best movie on this list.
I found it to be one of the weaker Studio Ghibli movies, although that's
like saying an Olympic bronze-medal winner is third-best.
<snip>
> but I guess I am not
>part of everybody
I'm not everybody, either. (If I was, there'd be a lot more of me out
there.)
--
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"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear
of childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis
Gilles Poitras
<yourname-250...@203-118-184-102.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
your...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>
> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
I think all such polls should eliminate any title released in the past
decade.
Too many films from 2000-2011 that just are not all that worthy.
--
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Profession: Librarian Obsession: Anime
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> In article
> <yourname-250...@203-118-184-102.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> your...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
>> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>
> I think all such polls should eliminate any title released in the past
> decade.
>
> Too many films from 2000-2011 that just are not all that worthy.
>
The Incredibles does.
I'm amazed at how low on that list it is.
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Fenrir Æsir
>
>
> Top 20 Animated Movies, as voted by you
> ---------------------------------------
>
> 20. South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut
>
> 19. The Triplets of Belleville
>
> 18. Akira
>
> 17. My Neighbour Totoro
>
> 16. Dumbo
>
> 15. The Iron Giant
>
> 14. Aladdin
>
> 13. The Incredibles
>
> 12. Fantastic Mr. Fox
>
> 11. WALL-E
>
> 10. Footrot Flats: The Dog's Tale [New Zealand made movie]
>
> 9. The Nightmare Before Christmas
>
> 8. Up
>
> 7. Spirited Away
>
> 6. Beauty and the Beast
>
> 5. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
>
> 4. Finding Nemo
>
> 3. Shrek
What is this doing here? Really
> 2. Toy Story
>
> 1. The Lion King
>
> "Everybody loves The Lion King"?!?!? Not me - I can't stand musicals of
> any kind, including Disney's animated efforts.
What happened with Mononoke Hime and The Ghost in The Shell?
This list seems to be made from recent western movies. I have no
problem with western, but there are better as western movies
such Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 (pointed by Brian).
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Plotting from the shadows, Fenrir patiently awaits...
Your Name
<For-address-see-F7...@news.eternal-september.org>, Gilles
Poitras <For-add...@www.koyagi.com> wrote:
> In article
> <yourname-250...@203-118-184-102.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> your...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
> >
> > Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
> > New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>
> I think all such polls should eliminate any title released in the past
> decade.
>
> Too many films from 2000-2011 that just are not all that worthy.
Even ignoring the fact that such polls are useless measures of anything
(other than what most of those particular 2000 people liked), what should
be removed are the inaccurate words "Of All Time" and similar nonsense ...
we have no idea what movies will be released in the future.
Fenrir Æsir
Should they be named as, "Of all time as dd/mm/yyy"? LOL.
Your Name
"Top 20 animated movies made so far"
"Top 20 animated movies in history"
etc.
Antonio E. Gonzalez
wrote:
Yyyeah, "Top 20 Animated Movies of All Time" works fine.
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Gerardo Campos
"Top 20 Animated movies from the people that answered this poll, today"
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Antonio E. Gonzalez
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 8/25/11 9:40 AM, Gilles Poitras wrote:
>> In article
>> <yourname-250...@203-118-184-102.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
>> your...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
>>> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>>
>> I think all such polls should eliminate any title released in the past
>> decade.
>>
>> Too many films from 2000-2011 that just are not all that worthy.
>>
>
> The Incredibles does.
>
> I'm amazed at how low on that list it is.
Well, considering it's basically a family-friendly(er) version of
Watchmen (Brad Bird does this a lot more than people are willing to
admit) . . .
Antonio E. Gonzalez
" . . . in New Zealand"
Your Name
Gonzalez <AntE...@aol.com> wrote:
That sounds perfect. The problem is that it's not "exciting" enough and
far too accurate for journalists. :-)
Your Name
Gonzalez <AntE...@aol.com> wrote:
Nope. "All time" is far from over ... unless you believe in the
"predictions" Nostradamus and the Mayans, in which case they've only got a
few more months to make and release better movies. ;-)
GeoffC
> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>
public than the average Japanese animated movie costs to make.
A list of "20 Great but Neglected Japanese Anime Movies" would be more
interesting.
Who's seen:
Crusher Joe
The Little Norse Prince
Cleopatra Queen of Sex (no I haven't either...)
Taro the Dragon Boy
A Tree of Palme
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
parallel with the FF is hammered home by the appearance of the Mole
Ma^H^H^H^H^H^H^H The Underminer at the end.
Dave Watson
> Your Name wrote:
>> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
>> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>>
> Some of these will have had more dollars spent on promoting them to the
> public than the average Japanese animated movie costs to make.
>
> A list of "20 Great but Neglected Japanese Anime Movies" would be more
> interesting.
> Who's seen:
> Cleopatra Queen of Sex (no I haven't either...)
DLed the raw that came down the pike, but have only skimmed through it so
far.
> A Tree of Palme
I have. Beautifully animated, but, in the end, nowt more than a brilliant
mistake. There's a reason it bombed when ADV released it here.
Watson.
Dave Watson
>> 19. The Triplets of Belleville
>> 2003 | Co-production
> Never seen it or even heard of it.
Seen it and quite enjoyed it. Watch it if you ever get the opportunity
(thank you, Public Library).
>> 18. Akira
>> 1988 | TMS Entertainment
> I have "heard of" this, I just have never seen it, and somewhere along
> the line got the impression that it was a "cartoon miniseries," or OVA,
> though it was made well before that term came into being. Kinda like
> Battle Athletes (not victory), where there were a series of 6 or so ~hour
> long "mini-movies."
Check this out at least once in your life. It's one of my favourites.
>> 17. My Neighbour Totoro
>> 1988 | Studio Ghibli
> Never seen it either, but stuff from Studio Ghibli is pretty good.
Get this NOW. It might just be the best thing Miyazaki has done.
>> 7. Spirited Away
>> 2001 | Studio Ghibli
> Perhaps the best movie on this list.
This is also excellent, too. Don't get me wrong.
>> 1. The Lion King
>> 1994 | Disney
> Elton John is by far my favorite musical artist, but I guess I am not
> part of everybody because I thought the movie was just OK, I certainly
> did not "love it."
S'allright, but count me in as one of the people who thought it was a
wholesale rip of Tezuka's Jungle Taitei/Jungle Emporer Leo/Kimba the White
Lion.
Watson.
Rob Kelk
>Your Name wrote:
>> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
>> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>>
>Some of these will have had more dollars spent on promoting them to the
>public than the average Japanese animated movie costs to make.
>
>A list of "20 Great but Neglected Japanese Anime Movies" would be more
>interesting.
>Who's seen:
>Crusher Joe
Great fun. In the same space-opera genre as, but IMHO more entertaining
than, the author's more famous work "Dirty Pair".
>The Little Norse Prince
>Cleopatra Queen of Sex (no I haven't either...)
>Taro the Dragon Boy
"Not seen" to all three.
>A Tree of Palme
Alas, yes. (I think they were trying to make a new "Nausicaä", but
without the skills Miyazaki-sama possesses.) Unless you're having
trouble getting to sleep, I'd recommend avoiding this one.
Nick Roberts
Brian <brian_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:36:59 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention, My 2 favorite animated movies, Fantasia, and
> Fantasia 2000 did not make this list.
My favourite also missed out - Nausicaa
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can be adequately explained by stupidity.
dbbrandell
Then they better get Redline here NOW! :) :) :)
They ( Japan ) are making us wait until next year... many people are
unhappy. Very unhappy. Listen to the Anime World Order podcast if you
want to hear just how unhappy.
DBB
GeoffC
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:51:45 +0100, GeoffC wrote:
>
>
>>Your Name wrote:
>>
>>>Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
>>>New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>>>
>>
>>Some of these will have had more dollars spent on promoting them to the
>>public than the average Japanese animated movie costs to make.
>>
>>A list of "20 Great but Neglected Japanese Anime Movies" would be more
>>interesting.
>>Who's seen:
>>Cleopatra Queen of Sex (no I haven't either...)
>
>
> DLed the raw that came down the pike, but have only skimmed through it so
> far.
>
standards, but it's a very funny movie (one is reminded of "Carry on
Cleo"), and the animation, 41 years after it was made, is still
entertaining and witty. The "Caesar's triumph" sequence contains a
gallery of animation styles, including what looks like the "Monty
Python" animation style. Well it is by Tezuka... Deserves to be regarded
as a classic.
>
>>A Tree of Palme
>
>
> I have. Beautifully animated, but, in the end, nowt more than a brilliant
> mistake. There's a reason it bombed when ADV released it here.
>
> Watson.
sanjian
>>>>>> Should they be named as, "Of all time as dd/mm/yyy"? LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Top 20 animated movies made so far"
>>>>> "Top 20 animated movies in history"
>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> Yyyeah, "Top 20 Animated Movies of All Time" works fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Top 20 Animated movies from the people that answered this poll, today"
>>
>>
>> " . . . in New Zealand"
>
> That sounds perfect. The problem is that it's not "exciting" enough and
> far too accurate for journalists. :-)
As well as obnoxious for the vast majority of the readers who say "yeah,
we figured all that stuff out already, so please stop pandering and get
to the content."
Antonio E. Gonzalez
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 8/26/11 12:23 AM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:27:10 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/25/11 9:40 AM, Gilles Poitras wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <yourname-250...@203-118-184-102.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
>>>> your...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
>>>>> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>>>>
>>>> I think all such polls should eliminate any title released in the past
>>>> decade.
>>>>
>>>> Too many films from 2000-2011 that just are not all that worthy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Incredibles does.
>>>
>>> I'm amazed at how low on that list it is.
>>
>> Well, considering it's basically a family-friendly(er) version of
>> Watchmen (Brad Bird does this a lot more than people are willing to
>> admit) . . .
>>
> Watchmen? No, it's the Fantastic Four crossed with James Bond. The
>parallel with the FF is hammered home by the appearance of the Mole
>Ma^H^H^H^H^H^H^H The Underminer at the end.
Superficially, yes (Violet *is* The Invisible Woman as a teenager),
but if you look at the deeper story: superheroes forced to go
underground by an ungrateful public, said superheroes getting killed
off by a conspiracy, an egoist conjuring a fake disaster to become a
big hero/save humanity, you can see it's a softer version of Watchmen.
I'm not gonna deny Brad BIrd is a master at reimagining classic
stories, but I'm also aware that that is what he's doing.
BTW, Iron Giant = Dragon Ball, and Ratatouille = The Fountainhead.
Your Name
I don't know how old Watchmen is (and I've never seen or read it), but I
do remember reading a book decades ago that was along similar lines of
superheroes being forced into hiding their powers due to an ungrateful
public. It was meant to be humourous, but I found it just boring and
junvenille (even reading as a kid).
Then of course there is X-men which is a semi-similar idea. Even Batman
and Superman have had similar themed storylines over the many years.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
No, really, the parallel isn't very close at all. You can put the broad
strokes that way, but at that point it's an old idea; the deconstruction
of superheroes in that fashion is old, and the complete motivation and
reason for things happening is very different.
The idea of heroes being driven underground due to legal/liability
concerns and/or other reasons is very old ("Superfolks" was published as
a novel long before "Watchmen", and almost certainly influenced it).
The overall plot is really a classic James Bond plot with humorous
twists (i.e., the reason the Big Bad has BECOME a Big Bad is that he's a
scorned fanboy.)
>
> I'm not gonna deny Brad BIrd is a master at reimagining classic
> stories, but I'm also aware that that is what he's doing.
>
> BTW, Iron Giant = Dragon Ball, and Ratatouille = The Fountainhead.
Uh... What? No, really, WHAT? The only similarities between those two
pairs are so superficial as to be almost meaningless. If I want to
stretch that far I can find a parallel to almost anything. I suppose I
could make a vague case for IG/DB, but not Rat/Fountain.
David Johnston
Possibly. Although in fact the superheroes aren't being killed off in
Watchmen. That's a red herring.
Rob Kelk
<AntE...@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>
> BTW, Iron Giant = Dragon Ball, and Ratatouille = The Fountainhead.
Considering Dragon Ball = Journey to the West, I stongly suspect Iron
Giant =/= Dragon Ball...
(I haven't read Ayn Rand, so I can't comment on the latter assertion.)
Fenrir Æsir
> BTW, Iron Giant = Dragon Ball, and Ratatouille = The Fountainhead.
>
>
>
Where do you get the IG=DB argument? Are you comparing the live action film
of DB against IG? or how do you come to this conclusion? Please elaborate.
Paul S. Person
<AntE...@aol.com> wrote:
> Superficially, yes (Violet *is* The Invisible Woman as a teenager),
>but if you look at the deeper story: superheroes forced to go
>underground by an ungrateful public, said superheroes getting killed
>off by a conspiracy, an egoist conjuring a fake disaster to become a
>big hero/save humanity, you can see it's a softer version of Watchmen.
Really stupid "superheroes".
I mean, if you appear to have shot someone who boasts of being able to
/catch a bullet/, do you or don't you put another one in the middle of
his forehead? You do if you have a brain. They didn't.
> I'm not gonna deny Brad BIrd is a master at reimagining classic
>stories, but I'm also aware that that is what he's doing.
>
> BTW, Iron Giant = Dragon Ball, and Ratatouille = The Fountainhead.
Never seen Dragon Ball.
And I don't recall any use of dynamite in /Ratatouille/. Or a jury
trial.
--
"'If God foreknew that this would happen,
it will happen.'"
Gordon Freeman
> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
> 19. The Triplets of Belleville
I wasn't very struck on this - it was certainly quirky and original but
that isn't enough, in the end the story just didn't really grab me and the
style was rather ugly.
> 18. Akira
I would put this higher, in the top ten for sure. It has aged well, helped
by the quality of animation that still bears up in comparison to modern
digital cel / cgi work, though in the end the complex interwoven story and
apocalyptic storyline is what really makes it.
> 17. My Neighbour Totoro
Good film, but has a poor dub with lots of unnecessary injected dialogue
where the original had silence.
> 16. Dumbo
> 15. The Iron Giant
After all the fan hype I was disappointed when I fially saw this, it's good
but not *that* good.
> 14. Aladdin
> 13. The Incredibles
> 12. Fantastic Mr. Fox
> 11. WALL-E
Again, a good film and original (apart from the lead character which was
lifted from a live action film about an escaped robot whose name escapes me
right now) but overall a bit saccharin for my taste, and not as good as
the relentless hype made it out to be.
> 10. Footrot Flats: The Dog's Tale [New Zealand made movie]
> 9. The Nightmare Before Christmas
> 8. Up
> 7. Spirited Away
Great film, hard to fault except perhaps that compared to, say, Nausicaa or
Akira the tale lacks an epic dimension. Unremittingly beautiful and
haunting though.
> 6. Beauty and the Beast
Ok I suppose.
> 5. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
I was so young when I saw this that I can't recall what I thought of it.
> 4. Finding Nemo
Good but overrated
> 3. Shrek
Not a bad film but predictable plot and overrated
> 2. Toy Story
Groundbreaking for its time, I was quite wowed by its cgi but it left my
girlfriend cold as she was paying attention to the plot more than I was...
Certainly deserves a place in history though.
> 1. The Lion King
Derivative, the credit for the story belongs to Tezuka.
So what did they miss out?
Nausicaa most obviously! Although the animation is rather clunky by today's
standards it's still beautiful and with an incredible epic storyline and a
heroine that you can't help falling in love with.
Metropolis, with its fabulous art deco cityscapes and epic story that
reveals more depth each time I watch it, only downside is that I'm not a
fan of jazz music, and the soundtrack uses nothing else!
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, story of an everyday girl whose life is
turned upside down when she acquires the ability to take flying leaps
through time, a brilliantly told seamless slide from mystery to comedy to
tragedy to poignancy, with characters you really care about. After Nausicaa
I think this film is the one whose heroine most pulls at my heart strings,
it's very clever how they pull you into her life so you feel all her
emotions with her.
Makato Shinkai's work deserves a place, his first work, Voices of a Distant
Star (Hoshi no Koe) has got to the the best animated short film ever (well,
apart from the poorly drawn characters!), it packs what feels like a full
length movie into 25 minutes, and has a bit of everything, a great showcase
for all that is good about anime and animation generally.
If "animated movies" includes stop motion work then I would include Jan
Svankmajer's "Alice" which has to be the best (and darkest) Alice in
Wonderland film I've seen, very dreamlike, hovering on the edge of
nightmare but never quite tipping over the edge, a remarkable work.
Your Name
<Gor...@freeman.invalid> wrote:
> your...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
...
> >
> > 11. WALL-E
>
> Again, a good film and original (apart from the lead character which was
> lifted from a live action film about an escaped robot whose name escapes me
> right now) but overall a bit saccharin for my taste, and not as good as
> the relentless hype made it out to be.
The Johnny Five robot in "Short Circuit" (and it's imaginatively titled
sequel "Short Circuit 2"). The eyes of both robots are the same, and
possibly it's a homage / easter egg, but Johnny Five was a lot taller than
Wall-E. :-)
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
There are some superficial similarities: the Giant is a warrior who
crashes on earth and hits his head hard enough to forget his purpose as
a fighting machine, and then is met by a boy who teaches him about being
a person and choosing to be a hero.
Goku was sent to earth to conquer/destroy it as a child. He was found
by Son Gohan and at one point fell down a cliff, hurting his head and
apparently suffering some form of permanent damage which reduced his
violent tendencies.
Your Name
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
> There are some superficial similarities: the Giant is a warrior who
> crashes on earth and hits his head hard enough to forget his purpose as
> a fighting machine, and then is met by a boy who teaches him about being
> a person and choosing to be a hero.
>
> Goku was sent to earth to conquer/destroy it as a child. He was found
> by Son Gohan and at one point fell down a cliff, hurting his head and
> apparently suffering some form of permanent damage which reduced his
> violent tendencies.
Which came first though ... the original Iron Giant book and Dragon Ball??
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
The differences between the book and the movie are large enough that
the question isn't really relevant to the original comparison.
The book predates both animations (the novel was published in 1968).
However, Dragon Ball derives in origin from "Journey To the West" AKA
"Sayuki", one of the main stories featuring the Monkey King Son Goku/
Sun Wu Kung, something vastly older.
dbbrandell
On 8/27/2011 6:06 PM, Gordon Freeman wrote:
> your...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>> Here's the results of another pointless poll of a handful of people from
>> New Zealand "Flicks" website ...
>>
>
>
> So what did they miss out?
>
> Nausicaa most obviously! Although the animation is rather clunky by today's
> standards it's still beautiful and with an incredible epic storyline and a
> heroine that you can't help falling in love with.
>
> Metropolis, with its fabulous art deco cityscapes and epic story that
> reveals more depth each time I watch it, only downside is that I'm not a
> fan of jazz music, and the soundtrack uses nothing else!
>
> The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, story of an everyday girl whose life is
> turned upside down when she acquires the ability to take flying leaps
> through time, a brilliantly told seamless slide from mystery to comedy to
> tragedy to poignancy, with characters you really care about. After Nausicaa
> I think this film is the one whose heroine most pulls at my heart strings,
> it's very clever how they pull you into her life so you feel all her
> emotions with her.
>
> Makato Shinkai's work deserves a place, his first work, Voices of a Distant
> Star (Hoshi no Koe) has got to the the best animated short film ever (well,
> apart from the poorly drawn characters!), it packs what feels like a full
> length movie into 25 minutes, and has a bit of everything, a great showcase
> for all that is good about anime and animation generally.
>
> If "animated movies" includes stop motion work then I would include Jan
> Svankmajer's "Alice" which has to be the best (and darkest) Alice in
> Wonderland film I've seen, very dreamlike, hovering on the edge of
> nightmare but never quite tipping over the edge, a remarkable work.
>
Whisper of the Heart - Wonderfully told story.
DBB
Anim8rFSK
<yourname-280...@203-118-185-192.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
your...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
I asked a friend at Pixar about this, and he insists that Wall-E's
design came entirely from what the script required him to do, and any
resemblance to Johnny Five was unintentional. He's got no reason to lie
about it to me (I was fully expecting the 'homage/easter egg'
explanation). I do find it impossble to believe that SOMEBODY at Pixar
didn't point out the potential problem somewhere along the way ...
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Your Name
There's also a droid briefly seen at the Lars homestead in the Star Wars
movie (the original, now sub-titled "Episode IV: A New Hope") which has
similar eyes as well - in reality they're simply a pair of binoculars.
I can't recall if the Star Wars one had the eybrows / eyelids though and
can't look up an image thanks to my useless ISP having problems yet again,
this time with international websites. :-(
Brian
> There's also a droid briefly seen at the Lars homestead in the Star Wars
> movie (the original, now sub-titled "Episode IV: A New Hope") which has
> similar eyes as well - in reality they're simply a pair of binoculars.
>
The first three movies were:
Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope
Star Wars: Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars: Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi
All the Star Wars titles, both in the original trilogy, and the prequels,
were of the form "Star Wars: <episode #>: <title of chapter>." There has
not been a movie titled just "Star Wars," at least not in this series.
Or all of them have been titled "Star Wars," with a different subtitle
for each one, depending on how you look at it.
Brian Christiansen
Brian Christiansen
Your Name
Nope. The original release of the first movie way back in 1977 was titled
just "Star Wars" (or even "The Star Wars" on some early posters and
merchandising). They had no idea whether or not any of the other movies
that he had rough ideas for would ever be made. It was only on a later
re-release that it was subtitled as "Episode IV" (in 1978 from memory, but
that could be wrong).
Robert Sneddon
<brian_ch...@hotmail.com> writes
>On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:32:34 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>> There's also a droid briefly seen at the Lars homestead in the Star Wars
>> movie (the original, now sub-titled "Episode IV: A New Hope") which has
>> similar eyes as well - in reality they're simply a pair of binoculars.
>>
>It is not just now subtitled that, it has always been subtitled that.
Nope. I saw the first movie, simply entitled "Star Wars" during its
first British cinema run in, I think, 1977. There was no "A New Hope"
subtitle or "Part IV" in the title sequence. Once the second movie was
greenlighted after the success of the first then the series concept was
established, the first movie was retitled and the movie's introduction
was reworked to reflect this.
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon
Brian
from
> memory, but that could be wrong).
Your memory is wrong - the original Star Wars trilogy has been my
favorite movie trilogy since it has been released and it always has been
subtitled "episode IV: A New Hope"
Brian Christiansen
Brian
> Nope. I saw the first movie, simply entitled "Star Wars" during its
> first British cinema run in, I think, 1977.
I saw it on its first US run in 1977, and it has always been subtitled
"Episode IV: A New Hope".
Brian Christiansen
Inu-Yasha
When Star Wars opened in our local theater in IIRC 1977, and I took my
two kids to see it standing in a line a full block long, the movie was
advertised or talked about as Star Wars. You are correct that when you
sit through the opening, it is sort of subtitled episode IV A new Hope,
this being like the Saturday serials I use to watch in the movie house
circa 1950's-1960's. But informally, it was called Star Wars, most did
not know/expect a sequel.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Inu-Yasha
The Episode IV 'A New Hope was the title of the scrolling text that went
from front to back of the screen image before the opening star ship
chase sequence.
Inu-Yasha
Feh! ^_^
Robert Sneddon
Inu-Yasha <tjar...@cfl.rr.com> writes
From the Wikipedia article
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope>
"The film was originally released as Star Wars, without Episode IV or
the subtitle A New Hope. The 1980 sequel, Star Wars Episode V: The
Empire Strikes Back, featured an episode number and subtitle in the
opening crawl. When the original film was re-released in 1981, Episode
IV: A New Hope was added above the original opening crawl."
The original 1977 posters and promotional materials don't ever mention
Episode IV: A New Hope, just "Star Wars".
Your Name
<brian_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
No it hasn't. That's a proven myth, but you're never going to believe
anyone else, so I'm not even going to bother any further.
Your Name
<fr...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
You're wasting your time. He's not going to believe anyone else even when
given the real facts. There are many websites that debunk the myth of the
original release having an episdoe number.
Brian
> You're wasting your time. He's not going to believe anyone else even
> when given the real facts. There are many websites that debunk the myth
> of the original release having an episdoe number.
Haven't seen any proof, or even evidence, of anything. Just several
people telling me "oh you're wrong."
Brian Christiansen
Rob Kelk
wrote:
<snip>
>Nope. The original release of the first movie way back in 1977 was titled
>just "Star Wars" (or even "The Star Wars" on some early posters and
>merchandising). They had no idea whether or not any of the other movies
>that he had rough ideas for would ever be made. It was only on a later
>re-release that it was subtitled as "Episode IV" (in 1978 from memory, but
>that could be wrong).
The movie's name was changed from "Star Wars" to "Star Wars: Episode IV
- A New Hope" in 1981. Not coincidentally, that was the first re-release
of the movie after "Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back" was
released.
Rob Kelk
Rob Kelk
Movie poster from 1977 - note the lack of any numbers in the title:
http://www.propmasters.net/images/star%20wars.jpg
Your Name
(Rob Kelk) wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:30:14 +0000 (UTC), Brian
> <brian_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:52:38 +1200, Your Name wrote:
> >
> > from
> >> memory, but that could be wrong).
> >
> >Your memory is wrong - the original Star Wars trilogy has been my
> >favorite movie trilogy since it has been released and it always has been
> >subtitled "episode IV: A New Hope"
>
> imdb.com disagrees with you... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/
Every sensible source you can look up disagrees with him ... won'ty make
any different ot his mistaken belief though. I "live, breath and eat" Star
Wars, so there's very little I don't know about that subject.
sanjian
I happen to think they're right, but I'll agree with you that proof by
assertion + petulance != win.
John Burnham
What would you accept as evidence ? From IMDB:
Upon its original release, the opening crawl did not include "Episode IV:
A New Hope." According to Lucasfilm, this was added upon its re-release in
1978. The later print was the first one to be released on video, and all
video, laserdisc or DVD releases have featured the subtitles. The
theatrical cut DVDs, released in September 2006, were the first time that
the original opening crawl, without subtitle, has been released on home
video.
and
The 2006 DVD reissue contains a "bonus disc" which features the unaltered,
pre-special edition film, with the original opening crawl (without the
"Episode IV: A New Hope" subtitle) and the 1993 LaserDisc sound mix
without C-3PO's "tractor beam description" and Stormtrooper "close the
blast doors" lines. This is the first and only time that this version will
be available on video in regular DVD.
Does anyone have the 2006 DVD reissue ? Could they confirm the
presence or absence of the "New Hope" subtitle ?
J
lugnut
<jo...@jaka.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The 2006 DVD reissue contains a "bonus disc" which features the unaltered,
>pre-special edition film, with the original opening crawl (without the
>"Episode IV: A New Hope" subtitle) and the 1993 LaserDisc sound mix
>without C-3PO's "tractor beam description" and Stormtrooper "close the
>blast doors" lines. This is the first and only time that this version will
>be available on video in regular DVD.
>
>Does anyone have the 2006 DVD reissue ? Could they confirm the
>presence or absence of the "New Hope" subtitle ?
>
> J
I've got it. The "Episode IV" crawl isn't there.
-lugnut
Paul S. Person
>On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:38:41 -0400, sanjian wrote:
>
<snippo>
>The 2006 DVD reissue contains a "bonus disc" which features the unaltered,
>pre-special edition film, with the original opening crawl (without the
>"Episode IV: A New Hope" subtitle) and the 1993 LaserDisc sound mix
>without C-3PO's "tractor beam description" and Stormtrooper "close the
>blast doors" lines. This is the first and only time that this version will
>be available on video in regular DVD.
>
>Does anyone have the 2006 DVD reissue ? Could they confirm the
>presence or absence of the "New Hope" subtitle ?
I have it. I am sorry to hear about the missing lines, but it is still
the version I prefer to watch, having finally seen the "digitally
butchered" version on the other disk. I am sure that Lucas could
recreate the original versions of all three films if he were suitably
motivated; they just aren't that different from the botched editions.
It does not have any reference to "Episode IV".
This is ironic, since it is now the fourth film in a series and I
watch it as part of the series -- in other words, it is in the only
context where having the "Episode IV" would actually make sense -- and
it isn't there! It was there in the letterboxed VHS version it
replaced.
It did not have it when I saw it in a theater while home on leave a
few months after it came out. The only name it was known by was "Star
Wars" and, to this day, so far as I am concerned, that is its name.
--
"'If God foreknew that this would happen,
it will happen.'"
Your Name
sanjian <mun...@vt.edu> wrote:
> On 8/29/2011 8:45 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:12:03 +1200, Your Name wrote:
> >
> >> You're wasting your time. He's not going to believe anyone else even
> >> when given the real facts. There are many websites that debunk the myth
> >> of the original release having an episdoe number.
> >
> > Haven't seen any proof, or even evidence, of anything. Just several
> > people telling me "oh you're wrong."
>
> assertion + petulance != win.
Arrogance + ignoring multiple people / citations proving it != "win" either.
George Lucas turning up on his doorstep to personally tell him wouldn't
convince him. The first version he saw may well have had the sub-title.
The first version the world saw didn't - FACT.
But personally I couldn't care less what anyone on the Internet believes,
and most won't listen to the truth or believe actual facts anyway, which
is why I gave up bothering trying to prove anything years ago. I simply
give the facts and common sense, but the morons can go on believing
whatever garbage they like.
It's no different to the morons running my ISP (Vodafone NZ) where it
takes a week and a half to get them to even bother looking at problems
with their servers. Vodafone NZ always try to convince people reporting
problems that there is no problem and it's their own computer / settings
at fault, but evetually when someone at Vodafone NZ bothers to look the
problem actually gets fixed at on Vodafone NZ's servers where it was all
along.
Inu-Yasha
a long long time ago does not list Episode IV, "A New Hope" on the box
it will have to be viewed to supply a personal statement. my 3 tape
collection in a box set dated 1995 has each of the 3 episodes subtitled
on the box end. I have a 3 episode Disc set from 2004 with a bonus
material disc, which I shall view soonest and reveal what it has. Th
VHS tapes are harder to view as I must usurp my wife's player to view
tapes. <grin> Info to follow in a later post.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
sanjian
> In article<nOKdndW6K9kpMsHT...@posted.internetamerica>,
> sanjian<mun...@vt.edu> wrote:
>> On 8/29/2011 8:45 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:12:03 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're wasting your time. He's not going to believe anyone else even
>>>> when given the real facts. There are many websites that debunk the myth
>>>> of the original release having an episdoe number.
>>>
>>> Haven't seen any proof, or even evidence, of anything. Just several
>>> people telling me "oh you're wrong."
>>
>> I happen to think they're right, but I'll agree with you that proof by
>> assertion + petulance != win.
>
> Arrogance + ignoring multiple people / citations proving it != "win" either.
The fact that citations came later doesn't retroactively make the
"nuh-uh" arguments valid. Get a grip.
> George Lucas turning up on his doorstep to personally tell him wouldn't
> convince him. The first version he saw may well have had the sub-title.
> The first version the world saw didn't - FACT.
And? That's what's being debated and discussed. The fact that people
agreed with you doesn't mean it had been proven, here, yet.
> But personally I couldn't care less what anyone on the Internet believes,
> and most won't listen to the truth or believe actual facts anyway, which
> is why I gave up bothering trying to prove anything years ago. I simply
> give the facts and common sense, but the morons can go on believing
> whatever garbage they like.
And then whine like a petulant child when people have the gall to not
believe you "just because."
sanjian
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:38:41 -0400, sanjian wrote:
>
>> On 8/29/2011 8:45 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:12:03 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're wasting your time. He's not going to believe anyone else even
>>>> when given the real facts. There are many websites that debunk the
>>>> myth of the original release having an episdoe number.
>>>
>>> Haven't seen any proof, or even evidence, of anything. Just several
>>> people telling me "oh you're wrong."
>>>
>>> Brian Christiansen
>>>
>>>
>> I happen to think they're right, but I'll agree with you that proof by
>> assertion + petulance != win.
>
> What would you accept as evidence ? From IMDB:
Frankly, it doesn't matter what I would consider as evidence. I'm not
the one arguing that it was called "A New Hope." Might want to consider
reading the posts you respond to.
Your Name
sanjian <mun...@vt.edu> wrote:
As I said above: whatever utter crap you what to believe. :-\
Paul S. Person
wrote:
IIRC, the VHS P&S version I bought (used, at half-price -- this was
before the "priced to own" days) did not have it.
The VHS letterboxed version from a boxed set purchased much later did
have it.
sanjian
> In article<WqadnedHhZrRD8DT...@posted.internetamerica>,
> sanjian<mun...@vt.edu> wrote:
And you accuse others of not listing. Congratulations, you're a moron.
Your Name
Not only do they "not listen", but they can't read either ... as you've
just proven. :-\
