Just when you think anime's image in the US has improved...
wonkycyber The Dark Revolutionist
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CHANNEL 15 'SDNEWS' THU MAR 01 02:32:09 2001
KIMBERLY: They Are Called Anime. Japanese Cartoons, Popular With Kids. But Some
Are Filled With Nudity And Sexual Acts.
CAROL: More Disturbing Is The Fact That Children Can Easily Gets Their Hands
On Them. We Are Here With The Unit 10 Investigation.
REPORTER: These Cartoons Are Everywhere. Many Stores In San Diego Carry Them.
Even Schools Such As East Lake High Have Anime Clubs Where Kids Gather To Watch
These Popular Films, But Not All The Cartoons Are Innocent.
VOICEOVER: The Anime Sells Like Crazy.
URSULA: It Has No Benefit. There's No Redeeming Value To It Whatsoever. I
Mean, It's Just Shocking, Shocking To Me.
REPORTER: Ursula Is A Mother Of Two. She's Never Heard Of Anime Movies. First
Time She Sees One She Is Visibly Uncomfortable. Her Head Shakes, And Eyes
Widen. The Cartoon Is So Sexually Explicit We Can't Even Show You Parts We
Showed Her
URSULA: That's X-Rated As Far As I'm Concerned.
REPORTER: The Majority Of Anime Cartoons Are Not Rated. This One Only Says
Mature Audiences. But Is Anyone Reading That Fine Print? We Wanted To See If
Ursula's Son, 13 Year Old John Paul Could Buy The Video.
URSULA: Cold Steel, Hot Babes And Whips? I Don't Think That Would Be For A 13
Year Old.
REPORTER: Yet At Sun Coast The Store Manager Sells It To Him No Questions
Asked. When We Go In She Tells Us She Has Discretion Of What She Sells To Whom.
So What Happened Here?
STORE MANAGER: I Saw It But A Lot Of These Are, It's Hard To Tell What They Are
About. So I Mean, It's, I Didn't See Any Nudity On The Front.
REPORTER: At Tower Records John Paul Picks Up 2 Different Cartoon Videos. One
Is Marked 13 And Up. The Other 18 Years And Up. The Cashier Asks Him His Age
Then Refuses To Sell Him The Racier Tape.
MANAGER: Hopefully All The Clerks Are Aware Of These Things.
REPORTER: The Manager Says They Try To Keep Children From Buying Unsuitable
Videos But Employees Admit It Can Slip By Them.
EMPLOYEE: Sometimes You Get Busy And Not Paying Attention.
REPORTER: Still The Video Tape Our 13 Year Old Bought Has Violence And Nudity.
And There's No Law Out There That Says He Can't Buy It. There Is A Law That
Prohibits Retail Frers Selling Harmful Matter To Minors. The Problem Says
Sergeant Larry Wilkins Is The Vague Wording.
LARRY WILKINS: It's Not A clearly Definitive Piece Of Legislation. It's One
That Is Open To Interpretation.
LARRY WILKINS: In My Opinion It's Very Offensive But Does Not Qualify As
Pornography.
GINA HOLLOWAY: We Are Devaluing Women.
REPORTER: Gina Holloway Is With Citizens For Community Values Of San Diego. She
Says Retailers Who Sell These Movies To Children Should Pay A Price.
GINA HOLLOWAY: It's Illegal. You Are Not Supposed To Do That. It Can Be Upheld
In Court. It Needs To Be Prosecuted.
LARRY WILKINS: It Hasn't Been Prosecuted Because It Hasn't Been Brought To Our
Attention Before This. Whether It's Prosecutable Or Not Remains To Be Seen. We
Have Homework To Do.
REPORTER: Moms Like Her Hopes Law Enforcement Agencies Brush Up Quickly.
URSULA: We Definitely Need To Do Something.
REPORTER: The San Diego Police Advice Unit Plans On Investigating These Movies.
They Will Alert Retailers If They Deem The Material Harmful. At East Lake High
While They Don't Believe Any Of The Sexually Explicit Cartoons Have Been Aired
At The School They Suspended The Club Last Night Until They Know A Little Bit
More About Them.
CAROL: Even What You Shows Was A Little Tough To Watch.
REPORTER: Yes. And I Couldn't Show All Of It.
KIMBERLY: We Keep Talking About Sexual Content Of These Videos For Children And
Violence And We Keep Making Them More And More Sexual And Violent.
REPORTER: They Are Popular And Making Money. We'll See Them On The Shelves. C
AROL: Thank You.
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Arnold Kim
wonkycyber The Dark Revolutionist <v9cyb...@aol.comdietouga> wrote in
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> This was featured on Channel 15 news in California. Somebody shoot me
> ._________
> CHANNEL 15 'SDNEWS' THU MAR 01 02:32:09 2001
> KIMBERLY: They Are Called Anime. Japanese Cartoons, Popular With Kids. But
Some Are Filled With Nudity And Sexual Acts.
Which is true... but of course the rest of the story doesn't reflect that at
all.
Anyway, there's actually a petition going around asking them to retract this
story. You can find it here:
http://www.123petitions.com/cgi-bin/system/sign1.cgi?id=aceshigh@mechapilot.
com$2
Arnold Kim
doesn't live in San Diego, but doesn't like sensationalist stories about
anime either
AntEGM111
Well, I called my sister, who happens to live in San Diego, about this . . .
It seems there is no "Channel 15" anywhere in San Diego. Just where did you
"find" this?
Lauren Michelle
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It's been on ANN for a while now.
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--jessica
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I live in San Diego. There is a channel 15 . . . It's a cable
channel that rebroadcasts channel 10, KGTV (ABC).
I never saw the report, but it sounds like something they
would do . . .
--jessica
AntEGM111
>channel that rebroadcasts channel 10, KGTV (ABC).
>
>I never saw the report, but it sounds like something they
>would do . . .
>
>--jessica
>
*sigh*
Sorry, I tend to be skeptical when I see something so blatantly . . . dumb.
Anyway, my condolances regarding that channel. . . and they say liberals are a
bunch of PC tight-asses . . .
Brad Jackson
>
>wonkycyber The Dark Revolutionist <v9cyb...@aol.comdietouga> wrote in
>message news:20010308193543...@ng-bj1.aol.com...
>> This was featured on Channel 15 news in California. Somebody shoot me
>> ._________
>> CHANNEL 15 'SDNEWS' THU MAR 01 02:32:09 2001
>> KIMBERLY: They Are Called Anime. Japanese Cartoons, Popular With Kids. But
>Some Are Filled With Nudity And Sexual Acts.
> ^^^^
>Which is true... but of course the rest of the story doesn't reflect that at
>all.
Attention grabbing by the media is hardly new. Sex sells and so does
paranoia. They could have said "US Movies, Popular with the kids, but some are
filled with nudity and sexual acts" and that too would have been true. The
mainstream media is going to try to emphasize the Hentai side of things because
that a) attracts attention, and b) lets parents worry.
>Anyway, there's actually a petition going around asking them to retract this
>story. You can find it here:
I'd like to see a news channel appologize for misleading stories about
anime, and fandom. I don't think it will happen, but I'd like to see it.
Brad Jackson, coordinator for Hentai Con
Sea Wasp
>
> >Anyway, there's actually a petition going around asking them to retract this
> >story. You can find it here:
>
> I'd like to see a news channel appologize for misleading stories about
> anime, and fandom. I don't think it will happen, but I'd like to see it.
>
> Brad Jackson, coordinator for Hentai Con
Of course, your "coordinator" title just reinforces their story!
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They just did a similar story out here, on FOX2 News Detroit. Essentially
exactly the same, only the kid they sent into a Suncoast and a Blockbuster was
a 13 year old girl.
Only to reinforce the stupidity, though, one of the films she bought and the
newscaster got into a froth over was 'Ghost in the Shell'. I laughed my butt
off and wrote a very detailed letter to 'em. I know it changes nothing, but
the more voices you send at them, the odds go up of SOMEONE listening.
Regards,
Thorn
Dosun1
really great advertising for them.
sabotender
>KIMBERLY: They Are Called Anime. Japanese Cartoons, Popular With Kids. But Some
>Are Filled With Nudity And Sexual Acts.
> CAROL: More Disturbing Is The Fact That Children Can Easily Gets Their Hands
More disturbing...MORE DISTURBING. Is this implying that the fact
that "some are filled with nudity and sexual acts" would be disturbing
at all? What is that disturbing, and more importantly, I don't think
journalists are allowed to form opinions on what is disturbing and
not.
I never did like the local news. I would like to know what shows they
are talking about.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> ki...@erols.com (Arnold Kim) wrote in <989f16$ekd$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>:
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> >
> >wonkycyber The Dark Revolutionist <v9cyb...@aol.comdietouga> wrote in
> >message news:20010308193543...@ng-bj1.aol.com...
> >> This was featured on Channel 15 news in California. Somebody shoot me
> >> ._________
> >> CHANNEL 15 'SDNEWS' THU MAR 01 02:32:09 2001
> >> KIMBERLY: They Are Called Anime. Japanese Cartoons, Popular With Kids. But
> >Some Are Filled With Nudity And Sexual Acts.
> > ^^^^
> >Which is true... but of course the rest of the story doesn't reflect that at
> >all.
>
> Attention grabbing by the media is hardly new. Sex sells and so does
> paranoia. They could have said "US Movies, Popular with the kids, but some are
> filled with nudity and sexual acts" and that too would have been true. The
> mainstream media is going to try to emphasize the Hentai side of things because
> that a) attracts attention, and b) lets parents worry.
>
No, they don't do that with live-action simply because
live-action doesn't have the stigma that it's for kids.
Public reaction to live-action nudie expose: "well duh!"
Suffice to say, it won't be the same with animation.
Laters. =)
Stan
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Brad Jackson
>that "some are filled with nudity and sexual acts" would be disturbing
>at all?
Well, as Stan pointed out to me in another post, they were capitalizing on
the fact that here in the US we have this odd notion that "animated == for
children", dispite things like the Simpsons, Futurama, King Of The Hill, and
Southpark. None are intended for a primarially child audience any more than,
say, Grave of the Fireflies or Ghost in the Shell is.
But, since animated stuff is for children, any nudity, violence, or sex in
the animation is obviously disturbing. Feh.
Some critics recently described two of Miazaki's works as "wonderful
children's movies", the first was "My Neighbor Totoro" which is an absolutely
great children's movie, and the second was "Princess Mononoke" which is
possibly my favorite anime ever, but is hardly for kids.
Oh well, educating the population of an entire continent isn't easy, but I
think we're making progress. At least mainstream video stores no longer put
all anime (including the Hentai stuff) in the children's section.
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Brad Jackson, coordinator for Hentai Con
Brad Jackson
>live-action doesn't have the stigma that it's for kids.
>Public reaction to live-action nudie expose: "well duh!"
>Suffice to say, it won't be the same with animation.
True, very true. I think we're making progress though, more and
more non-Otaku are learning that Anime/Manga is not by definition for
kids. Heck, they're also learning that the Japanese definition of
"for kids" isn't the same as the American definition (I recall
specifically the Dragonball Z nudity incident).
Oh well, the American Otaku will doubtless succeed one day, and then
we can enjoy the same level of confused scorn that our Japanese
siblings in fandom do :)
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Brad Jackson, coordinator for Hentai Con
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> Oh well, educating the population of an entire continent isn't easy, but I
> think we're making progress. At least mainstream video stores no longer put
> all anime (including the Hentai stuff) in the children's section.
> --
Do you think h-anime should be mixed with the rest of anime,
or should they be in their own h-section
next to the live-action porn stuff?
I mean, if one wants to treat animation equal to live-action,
then won't that mean separating porn from the rest,
the same as what's usually done with live-action?
Xelloss
>
> >More disturbing...MORE DISTURBING. Is this implying that the fact
> >that "some are filled with nudity and sexual acts" would be disturbing
> >at all?
>
> Well, as Stan pointed out to me in another post, they were capitalizing on
> the fact that here in the US we have this odd notion that "animated == for
> children", dispite things like the Simpsons, Futurama, King Of The Hill, and
> Southpark. None are intended for a primarially child audience any more than,
> say, Grave of the Fireflies or Ghost in the Shell is.
> But, since animated stuff is for children, any nudity, violence, or sex in
> the animation is obviously disturbing. Feh.
Oh, it goes much farther back than South Park.
Ever heard of Fritz the Cat?
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stations. Would be neat to see what they would do to talk about anime
in general. The Media can sure be persistant.
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Brad Jackson
>or should they be in their own h-section
>next to the live-action porn stuff?
>I mean, if one wants to treat animation equal to live-action,
>then won't that mean separating porn from the rest,
>the same as what's usually done with live-action?
My local anime store keeps its Hentai separate, and I think that's
proper. As for mainstream stores that have anime as a sideline, I'd say
that its their call, but I'd urge them to keep the H-Anime with the other
"adult" videos.
Brad Jackson
Of course. Bakshi (is that how you spell his name) is great. Did you
ever watch "Wizards"?
Shadow6865
say, Grave of the Fireflies or Ghost in the Shell is. >>
Actually Grave of the Fireflies is a children's film. Maybe not by US
standards but in Japan it was on a double bill with My Neighbor Totoro. It also
won top honor's at the Chicago Children's Film festival.
<< Some critics recently described two of Miazaki's works as "wonderful
children's movies", the first was "My Neighbor Totoro" >>
Actually in many of the early reviews I read, critics were fairly harsh and
down with Totoro. It seemed that the only people who liked were Roger Ebert and
The New York Times reviewer. Recently he has gotten more acclaim in the states
though.
Leaping Larry Jojo
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>
> << Some critics recently described two of Miazaki's works as "wonderful
> children's movies", the first was "My Neighbor Totoro" >>
>
> Actually in many of the early reviews I read, critics were fairly harsh
and
> down with Totoro. It seemed that the only people who liked were Roger
Ebert and
> The New York Times reviewer. Recently he has gotten more acclaim in the
states
> though.
I'd say more mixed than harsh in the beginning. A lot of them said that they
enjoyed it, but they thought the pacing was 'too slow' for kids. I remember
Siskel slamming the film and then admitting that his kids liked it when they
did a 'best kids film' feature at the end of that year.
Jojo
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> << None are intended for a primarially child audience any more than,
> say, Grave of the Fireflies or Ghost in the Shell is. >>
>
> Actually Grave of the Fireflies is a children's film. Maybe not by US
> standards but in Japan it was on a double bill with My Neighbor Totoro. It also
> won top honor's at the Chicago Children's Film festival.
>
I dunno. Ghibli only included it because they had to.
IMHO, if the circumstances were different,
I don't think they would've shown it with Totoro.