Marmalade Boy SUCKS!!!! [SPOILERS] <SPOILERS>
Enrique Conty
Ok, I finally watched MB 1-76, subbed thanks to the efforts of Tomodachi
Anime. And let me say without any reservations that I positively *HATED*
the ending. I'm sorry, but MI is still the reigning champ of animated
romantic comedies. MB doesn't come close.
All throughout MB, the writer keeps introducing obstacles between Miki and
Yuu to keep the story going. Unfortunately, that's the *only* way she
keeps the story going, while dedicating minimum effort to things like
character development which (IMO) are essential to a story like MB.
And, as seems to be the curse of any series which becomes popular enough,
the writer eventually went over her head.
[MEGA Spoilers for the last 4 episodes follow after a ^L]
She has Miki and Yuu break up, then Miki find comfort with Kei, then Miki
drops Kei like a moldy potato the second Yuu shows up. Now, I can
understand that part of the problem is that Kei panicked and tried to
force the issue with Miki, but please! That was just too quick.
I wish MB's writer had the guts to break tradition and have Miki
STAY WITH KEI, a man who was better for her than Yuu.
I guess Miki and Yuu have inherited a double dose of stupidity from their
parents, the four biggest flakes in the known animeverse. "Well, gee,
yes, we were dating each other's spouses while we were in college, but
we didn't think it was a big deal so we didn't tell you." >_<
And as long as I'm ranting, allow me to express my dissatisfaction with
the pairings on the show. Bill and Buffy, err, Jinny?? He and Anju
were *made* for each other! Noooo, instead Anju gets left all alone...
sheesh, even effin' *Rokutanda* got an SO! (I had a similar complaint
about Miwa, but he's sure to find someone else... he's got the looks,
the moves, the money, the smarts, and the attitude... he's da man!)
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David Alexander S Dial
In article <4tt5li$5...@trotsky.cig.mot.com>,
Enrique Conty <co...@rtsg.mot.com> wrote:
>
>Ok, I finally watched MB 1-76, subbed thanks to the efforts of Tomodachi
>Anime.
I thought you were against fansubs, Conty? :P
>And let me say without any reservations that I positively *HATED*
>the ending. I'm sorry, but MI is still the reigning champ of animated
>romantic comedies. MB doesn't come close.
I can't make up my mind between the two of them. They're both good in
their own ways...
>All throughout MB, the writer keeps introducing obstacles between Miki and
>Yuu to keep the story going. Unfortunately, that's the *only* way she
>keeps the story going, while dedicating minimum effort to things like
>character development which (IMO) are essential to a story like MB.
I'll agree that Miki's character wasn't developed much, but Yuu changes
from someone who won't let his feelings show and/or won't allow himself
to *have* feelings (see previous experiences with Anju and Arimi) to
someone who loves very deeply. Also, my FAVORITE character, Suzuki Arimi
develops a lot during the series, from a cold, conniving (yet strangely
attractive) girl to a loving, understanding young woman.
>And, as seems to be the curse of any series which becomes popular enough,
>the writer eventually went over her head.
>
>[MEGA Spoilers for the last 4 episodes follow after a ^L]
>
>
>
>She has Miki and Yuu break up, then Miki find comfort with Kei, then Miki
>drops Kei like a moldy potato the second Yuu shows up.
Well, not the VERY second. There's SOME time in between...
> Now, I can
>understand that part of the problem is that Kei panicked and tried to
>force the issue with Miki, but please! That was just too quick.
This I agree with. The interlude with Kei was much too quick.
>I wish MB's writer had the guts to break tradition and have Miki
>STAY WITH KEI, a man who was better for her than Yuu.
Well, I think MB already BROKE tradition. Most anime series run the whole
length and THEN the couple gets together (or in some cases, don't :). MB
had the couple's first kiss in the first episode! And saying that Kei is
better for Miki than Yuu? Not too sure about that. Kei's love for Miki
was never challenged. No one else in the series wanted to get with Kei
(there was a slight hint with Suzu, but that didn't go anywhere).
However, there were lots of girls (Arimi, Jinny, and countless groupies)
that wanted to get with Yuu, and he still loved Miki...
>I guess Miki and Yuu have inherited a double dose of stupidity from their
>parents, the four biggest flakes in the known animeverse. "Well, gee,
>yes, we were dating each other's spouses while we were in college, but
>we didn't think it was a big deal so we didn't tell you." >_<
Isn't that JUST crazy enough to be standard shojo? ^_^
>And as long as I'm ranting, allow me to express my dissatisfaction with
>the pairings on the show. Bill and Buffy, err, Jinny?? He and Anju
>were *made* for each other! Noooo, instead Anju gets left all alone...
>sheesh, even effin' *Rokutanda* got an SO!
I guess there had to be a tragic character. Life isn't full of happy
endings, although I too wish Anju could find an SO and finally get over
Yuu...
(I had a similar complaint
>about Miwa, but he's sure to find someone else... he's got the looks,
>the moves, the money, the smarts, and the attitude... he's da man!)
I agree! Miwa was one of the coolest characters! In fact, I was hoping
(for a while) that Miwa would get with Anju! And while *I'm* ranting, let
me just say that Meiko is the biggest ditz in the world for pasing up
Miwa. Miwa could have had anyone in the school, and he picked Meiko. But
I guess Meiko and Namura were made for each other - Namura passed up
Ryouko! They must be the stupidest couple in the series. I don't care who
flames me for that. :P
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Darren Lo
On 3 Aug 1996 06:41:51 GMT, Ivevei Upapatthangkoon (ive...@umich.edu) said something to the effect of:
: readthemangareadthemangareadthemangareadthemangareadthemangareadthemanga
: Even if you don't understand Japanese, since all the material is in the
: anime already. It's better paced, doesn't have extraneous material, and
: everything is far more stomachable. Art's very nice too. :)
: All IMHO, of course.
I have to weigh in with my colleague here. The manga is relatively free of
the filler and overextension that proved to be the downfall of the anime,
while preserving most of what is good in the Marmalade Boy universe.
The one drawback I felt with the manga was that it was a bit _too_ frenetic.
I didn't really feel I got a chance to relate or empathize with the secondary
characters before the manga's attention flitted to somebody else. On the other
hand, the anime pacing was too slow, and reminded me somewhat of an amusement
park ride in its plot construction: up and down each episode; several episodes
combine to form a larger up-and-down arc; the arcs repeat themselves, giving
a round-and-round feeling, etc.
I've probably said this before, but I would have liked MB better if it had
showed more guts and kept ... uhh, I guess this might be a spoiler ...
... if the manga had kept Miki and Yuu as siblings. A somewhat dissatisfying
ending, but one that avoids the whiplash induced by the rapid reversal and
subsequent plot unravelment in episode 76, and at the end of the manga for
that matter.
The artwork is generally pleasant, showing a level of detail (in the
character designs) a small notch above the better-animated episodes. The
manga art is consistent -- no episode-18-style nightmares.
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Brian Castleberry
WARNING!!!!!! WITHIN THIS POST ARE MILD TO EXTREME SPOILERS FOR
MARMALADE BOY, MAISON IKKOKU, AND KIMAGURE ORANGE ROAD!!!!
Enrique Conty wrote:
> Ok, I finally watched MB 1-76, subbed thanks to the efforts of
> Tomodachi Anime. And let me say without any reservations that I
> positively *HATED* the ending.
I agree with you there - it may be the last time in this post... :)
It was entirely too anticlimactic. The ending was telegraphed too far out
in the story. Unfortunately, it was probably the best way to end it,
given its story style.
> I'm sorry, but MI is still the reigning champ of animated romantic
> comedies. MB doesn't come close.
Once again someone makes the mistake of comparing apples and oranges.
Maison Ikkoku is a seinen/shonen romantic comedy/drama, while Marmalade
Boy is a shoujo romantic melodrama/comedy. The melodramatic aspects of MB
are something which does require you to "suspend disbelief" to a degree,
while MI is a story which, however unlikely, is possible.
(Somewhere in between all of this is KOR, which does seem to some
qualities of both but is very different overall...)
Also, don't forget that the target audiences are completely different
(teenagers and young adults for MI, preteen and teen girls for MB) and
the effects of each show will be different from one particular group to
the next.
> All throughout MB, the writer keeps introducing obstacles between Miki
> and Yuu to keep the story going. Unfortunately, that's the *only* way
> she keeps the story going, while dedicating minimum effort to things
> like character development which (IMO) are essential to a story like
> MB.
MB's New York story arc does not appear in the manga - that was from the
anime writers and not the manga artist. As a matter of fact, Yoshizumi
Wataru makes a few side comments in the latter part of the manga (after
her participation in the anime production is finished) which implies her
dissatisfaction with the way the anime staff handled the story.
As for character development, it works reasonably well in the beginning,
but as the story is dragged out too far, it does wear a bit thin.
(Ooh, I'm gonna get lynched on the MB ML when they see _this_! ^_^)
> And, as seems to be the curse of any series which becomes popular
> enough, the writer eventually went over her head.
See above. She wasn't responsible for the NYC stuff.
> [MEGA Spoilers for the last 4 episodes follow after a ^L]
>
> She has Miki and Yuu break up, then Miki find comfort with Kei, then
> Miki drops Kei like a moldy potato the second Yuu shows up. Now, I can
> understand that part of the problem is that Kei panicked and tried to
> force the issue with Miki, but please! That was just too quick.
> I wish MB's writer had the guts to break tradition and have Miki
> STAY WITH KEI, a man who was better for her than Yuu.
Kei might be a "better man" for Miki (and I am sympathetic to your
opinion on this, too), but she doesn't love him that way. Plain and
simple, Miki loves Yuu, and she would never be able to be with anyone
else unless (a) he dies and she gets over him, (b) she comes to hate him
for some reason and breaks up, or (c) he breaks up with her irrevocably
and she gets over him.
If writers "broke with tradition", look at what you might have: Godai
with Kozue (not really that bad), Kyoko with Mitaka, Kyousuke with Hikaru
(yechhh), and all sorts of other mismatches. "Tradition" gravitates
toward a happy ending, and Miki with Yuu is a happy ending in the MB
universe.
> And as long as I'm ranting, allow me to express my dissatisfaction with
> the pairings on the show. Bill and Buffy, err, Jinny?? He and Anju
> were *made* for each other! Noooo, instead Anju gets left all alone...
> sheesh, even effin' *Rokutanda* got an SO! (I had a similar complaint
> about Miwa, but he's sure to find someone else... he's got the looks,
> the moves, the money, the smarts, and the attitude... he's da man!)
Ehh, you were making some remarks about "breaking with tradition"? The
fact that Anju and Miwa end up without anyone at the end does prevent
the _completely_ happy ending...
Brian
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Hitoshi Doi
In article <4ttbtu$j...@crl.crl.com>, dd...@crl.com (David Alexander S Dial) writes:
| In article <4tt5li$5...@trotsky.cig.mot.com>,
| Enrique Conty <co...@rtsg.mot.com> wrote:
| >
| >Ok, I finally watched MB 1-76, subbed thanks to the efforts of Tomodachi
| >Anime.
|
| I thought you were against fansubs, Conty? :P
By watching Marmalade Boy episodes in a row, you're missing a lot.
You should have to wait one week between episodes, waiting
anxiously to find out what happens, as most episodes end in
a cliffhanger..
| >And let me say without any reservations that I positively *HATED*
| >the ending. I'm sorry, but MI is still the reigning champ of animated
| >romantic comedies. MB doesn't come close.
The Marmalade Boy ending wasn't very good.
I think a lot of long TV shows are like that.
It's good when it's going on, but there is no good way to end it.
The characters in MI are too old. No fun.
| Also, my FAVORITE character, Suzuki Arimi
| develops a lot during the series, from a cold, conniving (yet strangely
| attractive) girl to a loving, understanding young woman.
I like the old Arimi character. She was fun.
| >[MEGA Spoilers for the last 4 episodes follow after a ^L]
| >I wish MB's writer had the guts to break tradition and have Miki
| >STAY WITH KEI, a man who was better for her than Yuu.
It would have been best if Yuu dumped Miki and went with Anju.
| >And as long as I'm ranting, allow me to express my dissatisfaction with
| >the pairings on the show. Bill and Buffy, err, Jinny?? He and Anju
| >were *made* for each other! Noooo, instead Anju gets left all alone...
| >sheesh, even effin' *Rokutanda* got an SO!
|
| I guess there had to be a tragic character. Life isn't full of happy
| endings, although I too wish Anju could find an SO and finally get over
| Yuu...
It will take a long time for Anju to recover, if ever.
Don't force her to pair up. There's no need to pair up.
I don't see what Anju sees in Yuu (all the guys in MB are jerks),
but she loves him..
| I agree! Miwa was one of the coolest characters! In fact, I was hoping
| (for a while) that Miwa would get with Anju!
Anju's too good for Miwa.
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K-chan
In article <4u3gpk$3...@cobra.jrd.dec.com>, d...@touryou.usagi.win.or.jp
(Hitoshi Doi) wrote:
> In article <4ttbtu$j...@crl.crl.com>, dd...@crl.com (David Alexander S
Dial) writes:
> | In article <4tt5li$5...@trotsky.cig.mot.com>,
> | Enrique Conty <co...@rtsg.mot.com> wrote:
> | I agree! Miwa was one of the coolest characters! In fact, I was hoping
> | (for a while) that Miwa would get with Anju!
>
> Anju's too good for Miwa.
> --
What about Miwa and Meiko san?
I think Namura was a jerk he broke Meiko san's heart like 4 times
and who got her to start writing stories. I didn't see Namura helping
just causing her grief. Anju and Miwa would have been cool too. =)
Souriyaphon Chaleusouk
K-chan wrote:
>
>
> What about Miwa and Meiko san?
> I think Namura was a jerk he broke Meiko san's heart like 4 times
> and who got her to start writing stories. I didn't see Namura helping
> just causing her grief. Anju and Miwa would have been cool too. =)
I don't know..... Miwa is at his best when he's alone. Mind you it was
great when he was with Meiko, but the guys just fated to be alone for
awhile. I don't think he'll recover from being hurt by a first love for
awhile too.So he'll prob. look for a Meiko clone first then maybe work
his way back to normal girls. Besides you know what happens to people
that try to hide thier feelings. He just puts up a better act than
others.
Which brings me to this, I'm a bigger fan of Ginta and Armimi. I love
just how their relationship came about.This to me was a better story to
follow. Arimim is just to cute and Gintas just like a little boy who
just doesn't know what to do, I love it everytime he blushes.Anyy other
Ginta/Arimi fans out there ?
Vegeta
David Alexander S Dial
In article <32090E...@ix.netcom.com>,
Souriyaphon Chaleusouk <veg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> Which brings me to this, I'm a bigger fan of Ginta and Armimi. I love
>just how their relationship came about.This to me was a better story to
>follow.
Yes! I think far too little attention was given to these two at the end
of the series...
>Arimim is just to cute
As president of The Club Dedicated to JAPAN Alpha - The Suzuki Arimi
Chapter, I *wholeheartedly* agree... :P
>and Gintas just like a little boy who
>just doesn't know what to do, I love it everytime he blushes.Anyy other
>Ginta/Arimi fans out there ?
>
> Vegeta
Are you kidding? Of course there are! :P There should have been an entire
spin-off from MB, devoted to just Ginta and Arimi. They deserve it. :P
Enrique Conty
In article <32090E...@ix.netcom.com>,
Souriyaphon Chaleusouk <veg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Which brings me to this, I'm a bigger fan of Ginta and Armimi.
Here's another one!
>Arimim is just to cute and Gintas just like a little boy who
>just doesn't know what to do, I love it everytime he blushes.
Ginta is prone to leap before looking, and that gets him in trouble.
But he's otherwise a really sweet guy...
K-chan
In article <32090E...@ix.netcom.com>, veg...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Vegeta wrote:
> I don't know..... Miwa is at his best when he's alone. Mind you it was
> great when he was with Meiko, but the guys just fated to be alone for
> awhile. I don't think he'll recover from being hurt by a first love for
> awhile too.So he'll prob. look for a Meiko clone first then maybe work
> his way back to normal girls. Besides you know what happens to people
> that try to hide thier feelings. He just puts up a better act than
> others.
> Which brings me to this, I'm a bigger fan of Ginta and Armimi. I love
> just how their relationship came about.This to me was a better story to
> follow. Arimim is just to cute and Gintas just like a little boy who
> just doesn't know what to do, I love it everytime he blushes.Anyy other
> Ginta/Arimi fans out there ?
>
>
I'm a big fan of Ginta. At one point in the series I got very bored so
I started to rate everyones hair, Ginta got a A++. It suits him very well
and gives him that look of a litle boy but grown up. I like Arimi and
Ginta's relationship, they seem like they
have the steadiest relationship out of everyone. I guess it helps when
the only competition is from a dork of a cousin. Also I like the way
Arimi changed now she seems much more calm and loving, Ginta was the best
thing for her.
K-chan
kyoz...@gmail.com
David Johnston
> I don't know if anyones ever gonna read this but holy shit this thread was made the year I was born and I'm watching Marmalade Boy exactly 20 years later.
>
Bobbie Sellers
I found the basic problem for the teenagers to be the product
of fevered teen imaginations. This had to do with prior relationships
between their parents. Then the ethical standards for teachers is
lower in Japan apparently. Finally all the HS students portrayed are
all in the upper economic classes living a "brand-fixated" life.
I found it fascinating to read and watch at first but then due in part
to the matters mentioned above to be finally disappointing.
bliss
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Cheyanne Turner
> Oh yeah it's pretty bad. Good at first but just drones on and gets really boring
Bobbie Sellers
Orange Marmalade was one of the series I thought was good but it
has some unacceptable to Americans parts where the School Teacher runs
off with his student to teach in another part of Japan.
They watched episodes too close together forgetting that the
intended format were weekly shows.
The concept of the possibility of the girl and boy being related
is a frequent trope and sometime it plays out tragically. See the
manga "3D KANOJO Manga" where they get very close then learn of the
connection.
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Bobbie Sellers
>
>> On 9/17/21 18:28, Cheyanne Turner wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 2:24:13 AM UTC, kyoz...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> Oh yeah it's pretty bad. Good at first but just drones on and gets
>>>> really boring
>>>
>>> I was 2 when this thread began... I wonder where the OG commenters
>>> are now?
>>>
>>
>> So how old are you now?
>>
>> Orange Marmalade was one of the series I thought was good but it
>> has some unacceptable to Americans parts where the School Teacher runs
>> off with his student to teach in another part of Japan.
>>
>> They watched episodes too close together forgetting that the
>> intended format were weekly shows.
>
> between episodes if it's a new series, and it lets the story sink in and
> allows people to discuss it and also builds up anticipation as to what
> will happen next.
>
> I think broadcasters are nuts to broadcast an episode of a new TV series
> and then say "you can watch the whole series online right now on our
> iplayer", talk about shooting themselves in the foot, it's like they
> don't want you to watch broadcast TV any more, they're like, "Here, take
> the lot and don't come back, you .. TV viewer .. you!".
>
I rented the Orange Marmalade series from a local rental outlet now
only doing retail if Covid did not wipe them out. I usually rented
a couple of disks each week on separate occasions and watched them twice
so I could have a reasonable idea of what was going on.
They make much more money when you pay for watching the iplayer
but that is what all mass media is about.
OM seemed like it was much deeper than it really was but it
was based on the misconceptions of a couple of High School kids as
to their somewhat liberated parents had done years before.
I read the manga as well and enjoyed it a bit.
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all here I am...