Love Hina: Do they EVER stop beating the crap out of Keitaro?
J.D. Spangler
maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
*good* characters.
Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
comparison.
Or I'm just overreacting.
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"J.D. Spangler" <s...@sig.file> wrote in message
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> After watching my brother go through a 10 month abusive relationship,
> maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
>
> I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
> far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
> the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
> *good* characters.
>
> Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
> promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
> but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
> comparison.
>
> Or I'm just overreacting.
You're not overreacting. And, no, at least not in the anime - he's
still being beat on through "Love Hina Again #3".
(Of course, LHA ups the fan service a bit, too ... )
RwP
Rob Kelk
>After watching my brother go through a 10 month abusive relationship,
>maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
There's no reason why you shouldn't be "a bit sensitive" - there's a lot
of people who don't like Love Hina for precisely this reason, and AFAIK
they aren't all in the circumstances you're coming from...
>I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
>far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
>the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
>*good* characters.
It gets more diverse as the series progresses. The first few episodes
are pretty much just establishing the setting and characters, so that
the creators can use them to tell some interesting stories later on.
You might want to give the second DVD a try (by rental, if you can),
since the first of the "interesting stories" is on that disc.
>Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
>promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
>but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
>comparison.
It does get better eventually. Trying to avoid spoilers, although I
can't completely: IIRC, Shinobu never raises a hand to Keitaro, and
Kitsune (who's more into mental games than physical punishment) eases
off once Sara shows up in the second half of the series. Kaolla and
Makoto also learn to react other than physically. (In Makoto's case,
there's a scene later on in the series where she doesn't want to do
something she must, because it will hurt Keitaro.) Naru is the last to
realize that she's hurting Keitaro, but when she does realize it, it
really sinks in.
>Or I'm just overreacting.
Maybe, maybe not - there's a long history of "slapstick comedy" that
this running gag draws on, but it's not usually performed to this extent
in any one performance. But it's understandable why you would react
this way.
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Ethan Hammond
>
> After watching my brother go through a 10 month abusive relationship,
> maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
>
> I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
> far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
> the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
> *good* characters.
>
> Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
> promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
> but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
> comparison.
>
> Or I'm just overreacting.
No they don't and its annoying to me as well. My friend loves the
show though. Of course he also thinks it is one of the most
innovative and original anime's ever, so his opinion needs to be
taken with a pound of salt.
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Travers Naran
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> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:55:46 GMT, "J.D. Spangler" <s...@sig.file> wrote:
>
> >Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots
(the
> >promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
> >but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
> >comparison.
>
> It does get better eventually. Trying to avoid spoilers, although I
> can't completely: IIRC, Shinobu never raises a hand to Keitaro, and
> Kitsune (who's more into mental games than physical punishment) eases
> off once Sara shows up in the second half of the series. Kaolla and
> Makoto also learn to react other than physically. (In Makoto's case,
> there's a scene later on in the series where she doesn't want to do
> something she must, because it will hurt Keitaro.) Naru is the last to
> realize that she's hurting Keitaro, but when she does realize it, it
> really sinks in.
>
> >Or I'm just overreacting.
>
> Maybe, maybe not - there's a long history of "slapstick comedy" that
> this running gag draws on, but it's not usually performed to this extent
> in any one performance. But it's understandable why you would react
> this way.
To me, this just reminds me of the Loony Toons violence: very cartoony and
not realistic. But I think one of the best points in the series was...
Minor Spoilers (I think it's non-spoiler, but experience has taught me to
put spoiler space)
When Seta challenges Keitaro to a fight. Sara points out to Keitaro that he
should start standing up for himself if he wants to achieve his dreams. In
other words, I took the "violence" as an allegory for life giving you hard
knocks and how you react to those hard knocks determines what happens to
your life. Do you give up because it's too hard and painful (i.e.,
rejection, loss, failure), or does it make you want to try just that bit
harder?
But then again, I think Wiley Coyote's pursuit of the Road Runner as a
metaphor for the struggle of Man against a cold, uncaring, mechanical
universe. :-P
P.S. Never, NEVER take an English course taught by a post-modernist or
deconstructionist. It warps you for life. :-}
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D-Chance.
on male" violence is common, whether here or in Angelic
Layer or any of a dozen or more other series.
And the cycle from the Hinata Inn continues on. There's
this certain episode of Earth Defender Mao-chan.... ;)
D-Chance.
Chibi-Light
wrote:
>After watching my brother go through a 10 month abusive relationship,
>maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
>
>I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
>far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
>the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
>*good* characters.
>
>Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
>promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
>but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
>comparison.
>
>Or I'm just overreacting.
Na, you're not overreacting. I put up with it for about eight minutes
before getting up and leaving the anime club to go do something more
interesting like watching paint dry.
CL
Shez
Spangler <s...@sig.file> said:
>I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
>far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
>the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
>*good* characters.
>
>Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
>promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
For the story about the promise, you should read the manga instead.
The anime says on-story up to episode 6 and the drifts off into monster
of the week territory. I liked episode 8 though, where Motoko has a
dream about being inside a D&D quest game with Keitaro.
It was only through reading the manga first that I persevered with the
anime beyond episode 6, but sadly although the anime is beautifully
made, it wastes away a perfectly good plot. The amount of character
development is disappointing, with Naru never really giving up on
instinctively hitting Keitaro, although the frequency does go down a bit
as she starts to show signs of acknowledging that she has feelings for
him.
As to the girls, it slowly becomes evident that they're living in a
hostel because they're all from broken homes, one way or another. Naru's
issue is that since her parents' divorce she doesn't think her mother
loves her any more and has come to view herself as unlovable. None of
these issues are really dealt with though, they're just there, providing
a plot device for the girls to not be living at home.
-Shez.
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"J.D. Spangler" <s...@sig.file> wrote in message
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> maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
>
> I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
> far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
> the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
> *good* characters.
>
> Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
> promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
> but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
> comparison.
>
> Or I'm just overreacting.
You're just overreacting. It's funny. ^_^
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> can't completely: IIRC, Shinobu never raises a hand to Keitaro, and
> Kitsune (who's more into mental games than physical punishment) eases
> off once Sara shows up in the second half of the series. Kaolla and
> Makoto also learn to react other than physically. (In Makoto's case,
> there's a scene later on in the series where she doesn't want to do
> something she must, because it will hurt Keitaro.)
<anal> *Motoko* </anal>
::gives Motoko anal with a bokken::
Rob Kelly
wrote:
>After watching my brother go through a 10 month abusive relationship,
>maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
>
>I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
>far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
>the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
>*good* characters.
The manga is liked better, but don't expect a cult classic. It's part
fanservice, part amatuer romance comedy night at Kodonsha, and part
plain weirdness. Or maybe that's just my cynicism talking.
>Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
>promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
>but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
>comparison.
Just be thankful it's just Naru, Motoko and Kaolla Su doing most of
the beatings. And Su's just playing with him, even. Keitaro just
brings it on himself though. Would /you/ just walk into rooms without
any sort of warning whatsoever? It'll be like tapdancing in a
minefield. Just hope that Seta will teach you how to be cool...
>Or I'm just overreacting.
Probably not, but I have this weird problem with the series, being
that while I dislike the main characters intesnely, I really love the
secondary ones, like Motoko, who kicks ass, and Mutsumi, who's cuter
than a catgirl. Too bad they're so badly used...
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>
> One of the best series... EVER! And the so-called "female
> on male" violence is common, whether here or in Angelic
> Layer or any of a dozen or more other series.
Not every 30 seconds though, or at least I hope.
Oh Keitaro you talked, here have an uppercut, yay.
Travers Naran
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Eh? That was definitely there in the anime. Maybe it's the amount of time
spent on it that's different.
Rob Kelk
<snip>
>It does get better eventually. Trying to avoid spoilers, although I
>can't completely: IIRC, Shinobu never raises a hand to Keitaro, and
>Kitsune (who's more into mental games than physical punishment) eases
>off once Sara shows up in the second half of the series. Kaolla and
>Makoto also learn to react other than physically. (In Makoto's case,
>there's a scene later on in the series where she doesn't want to do
>something she must, because it will hurt Keitaro.)
Blade remins me that I have one again mixed up Makoto and Motoko...
<sigh> Sorry about that.
<snip>
roshnikasumo
> > It was only through reading the manga first that I persevered with the
> > anime beyond episode 6, but sadly although the anime is beautifully
> > made, it wastes away a perfectly good plot. The amount of character
> > development is disappointing, with Naru never really giving up on
> > instinctively hitting Keitaro, although the frequency does go down a bit
> > as she starts to show signs of acknowledging that she has feelings for
> > him.
> >
> > As to the girls, it slowly becomes evident that they're living in a
> > hostel because they're all from broken homes, one way or another. Naru's
> > issue is that since her parents' divorce she doesn't think her mother
> > loves her any more and has come to view herself as unlovable. None of
> > these issues are really dealt with though, they're just there, providing
> > a plot device for the girls to not be living at home.
>
> Eh? That was definitely there in the anime. Maybe it's the amount of
time
> spent on it that's different.
Specifically, the reason behind Naru's family problems are mentioned more
explicitly in the anime, since it also includes Mei her little sister. (This
is also the only episode where Naru 'really' almost does hit someone out of
real anger, and the other girls stop her.)
roshnikasumo
"Rob Kelly" <centra...@sekai-no-hate.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:55:46 GMT, "J.D. Spangler" <s...@sig.file>
> wrote:
>
> >After watching my brother go through a 10 month abusive relationship,
> >maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
> >
> >I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
> >far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
> >the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
> >*good* characters.
>
> The manga is liked better, but don't expect a cult classic. It's part
> fanservice, part amatuer romance comedy night at Kodonsha, and part
> plain weirdness. Or maybe that's just my cynicism talking.
Not completely. A lot of Love Hina was its outright mocking of Dating Sim
situations, and Naru's main idiosyncracy went totally against type for the
genre (nearly all American fans overlook that, to be fair.) And like you
mentioned, it's WEIRD while still being set in a relatively 'normal'
universe.
I can't think of a similar example, although it'd say something like 'if
you've never seen space operas or much anime you may not find Nadesico as
funny', etc.
> >Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
> >promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
> >but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
> >comparison.
>
> Just be thankful it's just Naru, Motoko and Kaolla Su doing most of
> the beatings. And Su's just playing with him, even. Keitaro just
> brings it on himself though. Would /you/ just walk into rooms without
> any sort of warning whatsoever? It'll be like tapdancing in a
> minefield. Just hope that Seta will teach you how to be cool...
I don't know how the exact ettiqute works, but I'd wager most of their doors
don't even have locks. Sheesh. And on the flip side, Naru did walk in on
Keitaro once.
Nargun
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:45:53 GMT, I wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >It does get better eventually. Trying to avoid spoilers, although I
> >can't completely: IIRC, Shinobu never raises a hand to Keitaro, and
> >Kitsune (who's more into mental games than physical punishment) eases
> >off once Sara shows up in the second half of the series. Kaolla and
> >Makoto also learn to react other than physically. (In Makoto's case,
> >there's a scene later on in the series where she doesn't want to do
> >something she must, because it will hurt Keitaro.)
>
> Blade remins me that I have one again mixed up Makoto and Motoko...
> <sigh> Sorry about that.
I now have a vision of a Makoto Kusanagi, a sort of EH/GitS crossover...
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"Nargun" <lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Rob Kelk wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:45:53 GMT, I wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >It does get better eventually. Trying to avoid spoilers, although I
> > >can't completely: IIRC, Shinobu never raises a hand to Keitaro, and
> > >Kitsune (who's more into mental games than physical punishment) eases
> > >off once Sara shows up in the second half of the series. Kaolla and
> > >Makoto also learn to react other than physically. (In Makoto's case,
> > >there's a scene later on in the series where she doesn't want to do
> > >something she must, because it will hurt Keitaro.)
> >
> > Blade remins me that I have one again mixed up Makoto and Motoko...
> > <sigh> Sorry about that.
>
> I now have a vision of a Makoto Kusanagi, a sort of EH/GitS crossover...
I have a freakier image of Makoto Kino & Motoko's personality quirks meshing
into one of the more bizzare pairings I've seen...
Rob Kelly
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>
>"Rob Kelly" <centra...@sekai-no-hate.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:g22i5vcvj1a4mu4ir...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:55:46 GMT, "J.D. Spangler" <s...@sig.file>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >After watching my brother go through a 10 month abusive relationship,
>> >maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
>> >
>> >I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
>> >far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
>> >the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
>> >*good* characters.
>>
>> The manga is liked better, but don't expect a cult classic. It's part
>> fanservice, part amatuer romance comedy night at Kodonsha, and part
>> plain weirdness. Or maybe that's just my cynicism talking.
>
>Not completely. A lot of Love Hina was its outright mocking of Dating Sim
>situations, and Naru's main idiosyncracy went totally against type for the
>genre (nearly all American fans overlook that, to be fair.) And like you
>mentioned, it's WEIRD while still being set in a relatively 'normal'
>universe.
So to truly get this show's humour, I would have had to get into a
gaming genre that's almost positively unheard of in the West, except
in Thousand Arms? Getting Azumanga Daioh's humor would be more easier,
I think...
>I can't think of a similar example, although it'd say something like 'if
>you've never seen space operas or much anime you may not find Nadesico as
>funny', etc.
>
>> >Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
>> >promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
>> >but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
>> >comparison.
>>
>> Just be thankful it's just Naru, Motoko and Kaolla Su doing most of
>> the beatings. And Su's just playing with him, even. Keitaro just
>> brings it on himself though. Would /you/ just walk into rooms without
>> any sort of warning whatsoever? It'll be like tapdancing in a
>> minefield. Just hope that Seta will teach you how to be cool...
>
>I don't know how the exact ettiqute works, but I'd wager most of their doors
>don't even have locks. Sheesh. And on the flip side, Naru did walk in on
>Keitaro once.
>
Yeah, but he didn't try and point out it was her fault for not even
knocking on the door, he just ran like hell. If I was there in
Keitaro's place, I would've told her that she was in the wrong...
No wonder this show had a load of SI fanfics in it's section on
FF.net. The Mary Sues are flooding the section like a dam had burst!
AstroNerdBoy
A "bit"? *lol* Man, at times it was border hentai (IMO). Totally
ruined the series if you ask me. I know they were following the manga
more closely there, and to be honest, that part of the manga's
storyline was the most annoying.
roshnikasumo
I don't think it's too unreasonable to consider. Love Hina IS intended for a
Japanese audience and really DID do well banking on its Dating Sim Parody
roots. (At least popular enough it's premise seems to have usurped Tenchi as
the current standard LoveComedy setup.)
>
> >I can't think of a similar example, although it'd say something like 'if
> >you've never seen space operas or much anime you may not find Nadesico as
> >funny', etc.
> >
> >> >Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots
(the
> >> >promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
> >> >but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian
by
> >> >comparison.
> >>
> >> Just be thankful it's just Naru, Motoko and Kaolla Su doing most of
> >> the beatings. And Su's just playing with him, even. Keitaro just
> >> brings it on himself though. Would /you/ just walk into rooms without
> >> any sort of warning whatsoever? It'll be like tapdancing in a
> >> minefield. Just hope that Seta will teach you how to be cool...
> >
> >I don't know how the exact ettiqute works, but I'd wager most of their
doors
> >don't even have locks. Sheesh. And on the flip side, Naru did walk in on
> >Keitaro once.
> >
>
> Yeah, but he didn't try and point out it was her fault for not even
> knocking on the door, he just ran like hell. If I was there in
> Keitaro's place, I would've told her that she was in the wrong...
Keitaro's main 'problem' in this regard is being nervous around girls he's
TOO 'polite'; Japanese men are expected to apologize to women even for
things that aren't their fault. (For comparison, note the polar opposite
Ranma Saotome almost never apologizes - often rightfully so- for the
stupidity of others, but is still considered rude.)
AstroNerdBoy
> maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
>
> I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
> far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
> the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
> *good* characters.
>
> Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
> promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
> but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
> comparison.
>
> Or I'm just overreacting.
I don't know that you are overreacting. I don't think an episode goes
by without Keitaro getting his but kicked by someone, especially Naru.
The manga is a little less harsh (he doesn't get beat up as much) and
a little more naughty (non-descriptive nudity and panty shots --
fanservice). I like the manga's storyline better than the anime's as
a whole though.
AstroNerdBoy
Well, one can get away with female on male violence because people
with think it is funny. If they had Keitaro doing those things to
Naru or even Motoko, no one would laugh.
AstroNerdBoy
I hadn't really thought about that aspect of the show until you
brought it up. When I lived in Japan, we (1956th Comm Group, Yokota
AB) took a truckload of toys and stuff to an orphanage in Kamakura.
The thing that stunned me was that these kids (for the most part)
weren't there because they had no parents. Some of them were there
because their parents couldn't care for them (for various reasons) or
for school reasons. So I was amazed when I heard that sometimes
teenagers going to the best high schools might not live at home
either. I got the feeling that this wasn't common, but not rare
either. That was 12 years ago though so who knows how things have
changed since then.
AstroNerdBoy
> "Rob Kelly" <centra...@sekai-no-hate.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:g22i5vcvj1a4mu4ir...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:55:46 GMT, "J.D. Spangler" <s...@sig.file>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >After watching my brother go through a 10 month abusive relationship,
> > >maybe I'm a bit sensitive about this kinda thing, but...
> > >
> > >I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about. So
> > >far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/humiliate
> > >the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're supposed to be
> > >*good* characters.
> >
> > The manga is liked better, but don't expect a cult classic. It's part
> > fanservice, part amatuer romance comedy night at Kodonsha, and part
> > plain weirdness. Or maybe that's just my cynicism talking.
>
> Not completely. A lot of Love Hina was its outright mocking of Dating Sim
> situations, and Naru's main idiosyncracy went totally against type for the
> genre (nearly all American fans overlook that, to be fair.) And like you
> mentioned, it's WEIRD while still being set in a relatively 'normal'
> universe.
>
Actually, the episode where Motoko dreams she's in a Zelda-like RPG
references that directly. At the end, Keitaro is all excited when he
finds a game where you are the manager of an all-girls dorm. *lol*
> I can't think of a similar example, although it'd say something like 'if
> you've never seen space operas or much anime you may not find Nadesico as
> funny', etc.
>
> > >Does it get any better after the first 4 eps? I like the other plots (the
> > >promise, his eternal quest to get into T.U., everyone's history, etc),
> > >but the girl on boy violence makes Ranma look positively egalitarian by
> > >comparison.
> >
> > Just be thankful it's just Naru, Motoko and Kaolla Su doing most of
> > the beatings. And Su's just playing with him, even. Keitaro just
> > brings it on himself though. Would /you/ just walk into rooms without
> > any sort of warning whatsoever? It'll be like tapdancing in a
> > minefield. Just hope that Seta will teach you how to be cool...
>
> I don't know how the exact ettiqute works, but I'd wager most of their doors
> don't even have locks. Sheesh. And on the flip side, Naru did walk in on
> Keitaro once.
I'm trying to think that in the manga, there were several times where
Naru did things that she beat Keitaro for. However, in the manga,
these events helped her understand Keitaro better (IMO).
roshnikasumo
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*nod* She's usually aware of it too, and slowly stops bugging Keitaro about
it. It's a LOT more obvious later on, espectially when she gets an almost
infectious clusminess trying to interupt Kanako & Keitaro's (mostly)
innocent interactions.
Arthur Levesque
JDS>I bought the first Love Hina DVD today to see what it was all about.
JDS>So far it primarily seems to be "How many ways can we abuse/blame/
JDS>humiliate the boy"... and unlike tentacle rape demons, they're
JDS>supposed to be *good* characters. Does it get any better after the
JDS>first 4 eps?
Nope.
JDS>I like the other plots (the promise, his eternal quest to get into
JDS>T.U., everyone's history, etc), but the girl on boy violence makes
JDS>Ranma look positively egalitarian by comparison.
There are some humorous bits and interesting story points; but what
ultimately killed "Love Hina" for me is that there isn't a single character
in it that I give a damn about -- and several that I actively dislike.
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wrote:
>"Nargun" <lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
>news:Pine.OSF.4.10.103022...@cassius.its.unimelb.edu.au...
>> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Rob Kelk wrote:
<snip>
>> > Blade remins me that I have one again mixed up Makoto and Motoko...
>> > <sigh> Sorry about that.
>>
>> I now have a vision of a Makoto Kusanagi, a sort of EH/GitS crossover...
>
>I have a freakier image of Makoto Kino & Motoko's personality quirks meshing
>into one of the more bizzare pairings I've seen...
And meanwhile, Motoko (either one) is stuck impersonating royalty on
El-Hazard...
Chris Kern
posted the following:
>A "bit"? *lol* Man, at times it was border hentai (IMO). Totally
>ruined the series if you ask me.
It didn't really push the envelope much for the time it was written --
if you look at stuff that came before like I"s, or Shonen Magazine's
"Kotaro Makaritooru!", it's really not all that surprising.
If you want borderline hentai, look at some of the stuff in Young Jump
or Afternoon.
-Chris
Animeg3282
>Well, one can get away with female on male violence because people
>with think it is funny. If they had Keitaro doing those things to
>Naru or even Motoko, no one would laugh.
It'
s NOT funny. It's cruel and boring to see. This exemplifies anime that I don't
like- lazy writing. "Let's throw in this sort of chracter for wackiness!" "Why
don't we exagerate a well known genre?! Then we can claim that as our twist!"
"That gag was funny one time, let's do it a thousand times over til we totally
beat it into the ground"
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Lena B Katz
On 23 Feb 2003, AstroNerdBoy wrote:
> Well, one can get away with female on male violence because people
> with think it is funny. If they had Keitaro doing those things to
> Naru or even Motoko, no one would laugh.
comedic violence is often funny. it doesn't really matter the gender
(Riselmine, for instance).
Real violence is not funny. Ever. (fwiw, women are more likely to hit men
in relationships, not the other way around).
Lena
Arthur Levesque
Not everyone finds LH's violence comedic.
Lena B Katz
On 24 Feb 2003, Arthur Levesque wrote:
> Lena>comedic violence is often funny.
>
> Not everyone finds LH's violence comedic.
*nods* agreed.
Lena
Blade
75701.news.dfncis.de:
> Lena>comedic violence is often funny.
>
> Not everyone finds LH's violence comedic.
Given its popularity, obviously a lot of people do.
Blade
Arthur Levesque
Animeg3282>anime that I don't like- lazy writing. "Let's throw in this
Animeg3282>sort of chracter for wackiness!" "Why don't we exagerate a well
Animeg3282>known genre?! Then we can claim that as our twist!" "That gag
Animeg3282>was funny one time, let's do it a thousand times over til we
Animeg3282>totally beat it into the ground"
It's not just that Love Hina is a soulless and completely unoriginal
hash of anime cliches thrown into a blender with nothing new to recommend
it -- although it is.
It's not just that all of these themes have been done to death over
and over elsewhere -- but they have.
It's that all of these themes have been done *better* elsewhere.
If Love Hina did a single thing better than all of the shows it rips
off, then it might have something. If it had a single likable character,
a single character that wasn't just a one-dimensional cliche, then it might
have something. But it doesn't.
Arthur Levesque
Blade>Given its popularity, obviously a lot of people do.
A lot of people also watch the reality TV dreck currently infesting
the airwaves. That doesn't mean that it's good.
Blade
> Animeg3282>It's NOT funny. It's cruel and boring to see. This
> exemplifies Animeg3282>anime that I don't like- lazy writing. "Let's
> throw in this Animeg3282>sort of chracter for wackiness!" "Why don't
> we exagerate a well Animeg3282>known genre?! Then we can claim that
> as our twist!" "That gag Animeg3282>was funny one time, let's do it
> a thousand times over til we Animeg3282>totally beat it into the
> ground"
>
> It's not just that Love Hina is a soulless and completely
> unoriginal
> hash of anime cliches thrown into a blender with nothing new to
> recommend it -- although it is.
>
> It's not just that all of these themes have been done to death
> over
> and over elsewhere -- but they have.
>
> It's that all of these themes have been done *better*
> elsewhere.
>
> If Love Hina did a single thing better than all of the shows it
> rips
> off, then it might have something. If it had a single likable
> character, a single character that wasn't just a one-dimensional
> cliche, then it might have something. But it doesn't.
Then why do so many people like it? And why do so many people like
various characters from it?
<shrug> Your opinion isn't objective reality, Arthur. There's many
things to like about LH, and a lot of people DO like them. They're not
wrong to do so just because you think otherwise.
Blade
(Personally, I much prefer the manga, but the point stands.)
8-Bit Star
Lena B Katz wrote:
Though I liked Love Hina (the manga) I have to
admit that the "comedic violence" was already
old after having seen it tons of times in Ranma 1/2.
Fortunately, both have other moments that keep
them funny or, at least, interesting.
>
>
> Lena
Animeg3282
>Then why do so many people like it? And why do so many people like
>various characters from it?
>
><shrug> Your opinion isn't objective reality, Arthur. There's many
>things to like about LH, and a lot of people DO like them. They're not
>wrong to do so just because you think otherwise.
>
> Blade
>(Personally, I much prefer the manga, but the point stands.)
>
A) They haven't seen many harem shows so it is new to them. B) They like
unoriginal shows. C) Quality doesn't matter. B) can be true, a lot of people
know what they like and don't mind seeing it again. C) is usually true for
Hollywood, so it could be true for anime, too. If something passes the time and
vaguely entertains you, it's great. It's true that many people simply don't
care if the writing is particularly good. It's like a summer movie, it comes
along, entertains you, and you go about your buisness. Not everyone is as picky
as some of us. For example, I'm always being like something interesting has to
happen in every episode!!!! but many are fine with incessant filler.. I used to
be fine with that, but now I'm all twitchy.
Arthur Levesque
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> >
doors
> > don't even have locks. Sheesh. And on the flip side, Naru did walk in on
> > Keitaro once.
>
> I'm trying to think that in the manga, there were several times where
> Naru did things that she beat Keitaro for.
Or things that happened because BOTH of them are nitwits, like the incident
under the kotatsu...
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"Arthur Levesque" <meist...@boog.org> wrote in message
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> Arthur>Not everyone finds LH's violence comedic.
>
> Blade>Given its popularity, obviously a lot of people do.
>
> A lot of people also watch the reality TV dreck currently infesting
> the airwaves. That doesn't mean that it's good.
Welcome to the world of freedom of opinion, Arty.
The Eternal Lost Lurker (would you like some poodle noodle strudel?)
>
> I have a freakier image of Makoto Kino & Motoko's personality quirks
meshing
> into one of the more bizzare pairings I've seen...
A tall, sword-wielding schoolgirl who's stacked like a brick house, hates
men, and loves to cook?
Arthur Levesque
Lost Lurker>Welcome to the world of freedom of opinion, Arty.
Actually, my statement above is a fact, since I don't find LH's
violence comedic, and neither do some other people in this thread.
I realize some people do, and I have my freedom of opinion about
their tastes.
James Marshall
>Blade said
>>Then why do so many people like it? And why do so many people like
>>various characters from it?
>A) They haven't seen many harem shows so it is new to them. B) They like
>unoriginal shows. C) Quality doesn't matter.
Love Hina is one of the series I was considering buying. It seems to get
good recommendations and being a sort of romantic comedy show (right?) it
would be a change from what I have already. What I have is typically on
the more serious side for the main story line although there are funny
parts to them. Well, at least for what I've watched so far. I haven't
seen everything I bought yet.
OK, now I have heard that Love Hina is sort of cliche in that it uses
a pretty old theme, the lots of girls with one guy thing. But I haven't
seen lots of that either. Now I haven't seen the show so I don't know if
I like it (if I buy it later I can let you know), but A would be true for
me. As for B I'd say the show may be unoriginal, but if you haven't seen
it before, it's new to you. Unoriginal isn't necessarily bad. I am kind
of curious about your point C though -- exactly what about the show says
it's bad quality to you? I can't recall seeing many complaints about
quality in anime (I mean in general, not specifically Love Hina or any
other show), so I'm wondering what you find bad about it that perhaps
other people don't.
>B) can be true, a lot of people know what they like and don't mind seeing
>it again.
True. And if people like to watch the same basic story lines over and
over in different series, that's their choice.
>C) is usually true for Hollywood, so it could be true for anime, too.
Well, how many truly original plots are there? Hasn't just about everything
been done already at some point in the history of entertainment? *shrug*
I'm not exactly saying that everything has been done and there's nothing
new left to do. I haven't thought about it or followed things that much to
really know. I'm putting it out more as something to think about should
you be so inclined.
>If something passes the time and vaguely entertains you, it's great.
Yup, if you like it, then it doesn't really matter if others don't.
>It's true that many people simply don't care if the writing is particularly
>good.
Well, sometimes people just don't want to really think about what they're
watching. Sometimes they want mindless entertainment, something that's fun
to watch but doesn't really require engaging your brain to understand.
I don't really mind having to think about shows now and then, but I also
enjoy shows where I can basically just watch and not have to take such an
active role in understanding it.
>For example, I'm always being like something interesting has to happen in
>every episode!!!! but many are fine with incessant filler.. I used to
>be fine with that, but now I'm all twitchy.
I'm a little confused by the wording of that first sentence (should "being"
be "feeling"?), but I get the idea. And you're certainly right, everyone
has their own tastes and preferences. I don't think I mind some filler,
but if the story really starts to lag because of it and I notice it, I
might not like it as much. With what I've seen so far, I haven't really
noticed any filler causing the story to lag that much.
As far as Love Hina itself goes, I've been reading the thread to get
some more opinions about it to help me decide if I should buy it. It's
currently on my short list of things to consider for the next purchase.
It sounds like it should be a funny show and having something that's
mainly comedy instead of a serious show with funny moments should be nice.
Plus it will help expand my experience with anime. FWIW, I saw a video
of the Love Hina opening while doing some web searching yesterday. I don't
remember it really well right now, but I was particularly amused by the
main guy getting hit so hard that he flew over buildings. :) I agree
that the female on male violence isn't everyone's favorite and that it's
a lot easier to get away with that than male on female violence, but from
the little I know of it right now it seems like it would be a fun show to
watch. If you want to offer suggestions about it for me, great, but it's
fine with me if you just continue the main line of discussion in the thread.
I'll follow along and take what seems useful from it.
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> It's that all of these themes have been done *better* elsewhere.
>
> If Love Hina did a single thing better than all of the shows it rips
> off, then it might have something. If it had a single likable character,
> a single character that wasn't just a one-dimensional cliche, then it might
> have something. But it doesn't.
I am in concurrance. Seen it once, seen it twice, seen it thrice, seen
it enough. I just wish my friend who thinks it is the most original
show ever would post here so you could see the nonsense I have to listen
too.
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Ethan Hammond
> Then why do so many people like it? And why do so many people like
> various characters from it?
For the same reason some people like Ranma 1/2 better than UY. ^_-
Ethan Hammond
Popularity is not an indication of quality however.
Sure it may sell well, but so what. I would also be
interested to see what percentage of Love Hina's fan
base are girls.
Blade
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> Blade>Then why do so many people like it?
>
> http://www.sinfest.net/comics/sf20030224.gif
So everyone who likes Love Hina is a devil-worshipper? ;p
Blade
Blade
75701.news.dfncis.de:
> Arthur>Not everyone finds LH's violence comedic.
>
> Lost Lurker>Welcome to the world of freedom of opinion, Arty.
>
> Actually, my statement above is a fact, since I don't find LH's
> violence comedic, and neither do some other people in this thread.
>
> I realize some people do, and I have my freedom of opinion about
> their tastes.
That might have a point, except that that WASN'T the statement Lurker was
responding to.
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"Arthur Levesque" <meist...@boog.org> wrote in message
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> Arthur>Not everyone finds LH's violence comedic.
>
> Blade>Given its popularity, obviously a lot of people do.
>
> A lot of people also watch the reality TV dreck currently
>infesting the airwaves. That doesn't mean that it's good.
Welcome to the world of freedom of opinion, Arty.
****
Deliberately putting statements in a different context to create a
misleading impression isn't very nice, Arthur.
Blade
Blade
news:3E5A8C...@worldnet.att.net:
> Blade wrote:
>
>> Then why do so many people like it? And why do so many people like
>> various characters from it?
>
> For the same reason some people like Ranma 1/2 better than UY. ^_-
Nah, I never said Love Hina was an obviously and manifestly superior
series.
Blade
Blade
> Blade wrote:
>>
>> meist...@boog.org (Arthur Levesque) wrote in
>> news:b3dbd8$1khfj9$1@ID- 75701.news.dfncis.de:
>>
>> > Lena>comedic violence is often funny.
>> >
>> > Not everyone finds LH's violence comedic.
>>
>> Given its popularity, obviously a lot of people do.
>
> Popularity is not an indication of quality however.
Popularity is not an indication of lack of quality, either.
> Sure it may sell well, but so what. I would also be
> interested to see what percentage of Love Hina's fan
> base are girls.
Quite a few, from personal experience.
Blade
Rob Kelk
wrote:
>Blade said
>
>>Then why do so many people like it? And why do so many people like
>>various characters from it?
>>
>><shrug> Your opinion isn't objective reality, Arthur. There's many
>>things to like about LH, and a lot of people DO like them. They're not
>>wrong to do so just because you think otherwise.
>>
>> Blade
>>(Personally, I much prefer the manga, but the point stands.)
>>
>
>A) They haven't seen many harem shows so it is new to them. B) They like
>unoriginal shows. C) Quality doesn't matter.
How do you explain the fact that I like Love Hina, then? I've seen many
"harem" anime, I don't like unoriginality, and quality does matter to
me.
I think the people who call Love Hina "just another harem anime" might
also call Nadesico "just another robot anime", and for the same reasons.
<snip>
Peter L. Ward
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I am in concurrance. Seen it once, seen it twice, seen it thrice, seen
>it enough. I just wish my friend who thinks it is the most original
>show ever would post here so you could see the nonsense I have to listen
>too.
As opposed to the constant nonsense we have to listen to from you? :P
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Nargun
> "D-Chance." <dch...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message news:<v5hhcef...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > One of the best series... EVER! And the so-called "female
> > on male" violence is common, whether here or in Angelic
> > Layer or any of a dozen or more other series.
> >
> > And the cycle from the Hinata Inn continues on. There's
> > this certain episode of Earth Defender Mao-chan.... ;)
> >
> > D-Chance.
>
> Well, one can get away with female on male violence because people
> with think it is funny. If they had Keitaro doing those things to
> Naru or even Motoko, no one would laugh.
Those of us who aren't hypocrits aren't laughing at Love Hina either.
Louis
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Nargun
>
> "AstroNerdBoy" <sp...@astronerdboy.com> wrote in message
> news:7e562e8e.03022...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > I don't know how the exact ettiqute works, but I'd wager most of their
> doors
> > > don't even have locks. Sheesh. And on the flip side, Naru did walk in on
> > > Keitaro once.
> >
> > I'm trying to think that in the manga, there were several times where
> > Naru did things that she beat Keitaro for.
>
> Or things that happened because BOTH of them are nitwits, like the incident
> under the kotatsu...
I recall a quote to the effect of:
"How nice of Mr & Mrs X to marry each other, and make only two people
miserable instead of four".
Blade
news:Pine.OSF.4.10.103022...@cassius.its.unimelb.edu.a
u:
> On 23 Feb 2003, AstroNerdBoy wrote:
>
>> "D-Chance." <dch...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
>> news:<v5hhcef...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> > One of the best series... EVER! And the so-called "female
>> > on male" violence is common, whether here or in Angelic
>> > Layer or any of a dozen or more other series.
>> >
>> > And the cycle from the Hinata Inn continues on. There's
>> > this certain episode of Earth Defender Mao-chan.... ;)
>> >
>> > D-Chance.
>>
>> Well, one can get away with female on male violence because people
>> with think it is funny. If they had Keitaro doing those things to
>> Naru or even Motoko, no one would laugh.
>
> Those of us who aren't hypocrits aren't laughing at Love Hina
> either.
Oh, christ. Does this have to come up in EVERY discussion about the
series?
THE VIOLENCE ISN'T REAL, PEOPLE. What is happening to Keitaro is the
equivalent of being slapped. He is not actually being hurt. On the few
times he actually IS hurt, there is a clear difference.
Jeez.
Blade
Nargun
LHA disagrees, unless the crutch is just so keitarou can look pathetic in
front of Naru.
Ralph Wade Phillips
"Blade" <kumo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Reminds me a lot of my dealings with Microsoft, it does <grins>
(Hint: Microsoft isn't Keitaro ... )
RwP
Animeg3282
>How do you explain the fact that I like Love Hina, then? I've seen many
>"harem" anime, I don't like unoriginality, and quality does matter to
>me.
>
>I think the people who call Love Hina "just another harem anime"
>might
>also call Nadesico "just another robot anime", and for the same reasons.
A good parody in my eyes takes the concepts of an accepted genre and moves them
forward by mocking them. Nadesico was good because it explored the concepts old
robot shows were based on. It showed a lot of time, effort and thought. It
didn't just slap in a few exagerations and then say LOOK, IT'S WACKY! Also, the
chracters were multi faceted people, I don't recall a single look I'm wacky
chracter from nadesico, but Love Hina has look we're wacky in spades. To me,
quality invovles more than just being competent. Love Hina is ok, it is not
horribly bad. But to be quality to me, you gotta move it forward. Like UY, I
read some of the manga(not much of the anime) and while Ataru was a lecher, and
that was played for laughs, he had a sweet side, a mature side, and really
loved Lum. It wasn't like "Let's just throw in a neb, and get him smacked
around because he is horny" and for that reason, I'm talking about a show that
was created before I was born. Also a note, Look, we're wacky! is a term
meaning one dimensional archetypes played for humor.
Antonio E. Gonzalez
>Date: 2/24/2003 4:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id:
><Pine.OSF.4.10.103022...@cassius.its.unimelb.edu.au>
I recall seeing Wile E. Coyote in crutches once. Does that make Looney
Tunes a horrible example of animal abuse?
- Vaughner
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by tentacles!!! That means there's only one thing that could happen next!!"
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Blade
news:b3eco4$1k8c9k$1...@ID-81734.news.dfncis.de:
Yeah, they're more like Naru. Often unfairly maligned and accused of
things far out of proportion of anything they've actually done.
Blade
8-Bit Star
Ethan Hammond wrote:
> Blade wrote:
>
> > Then why do so many people like it? And why do so many people like
> > various characters from it?
>
> For the same reason some people like Ranma 1/2 better than UY. ^_-
Which is...?
Ethan Hammond
>
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:19:05 GMT, Ethan Hammond
> <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >I am in concurrance. Seen it once, seen it twice, seen it thrice, seen
> >it enough. I just wish my friend who thinks it is the most original
> >show ever would post here so you could see the nonsense I have to listen
> >too.
>
> As opposed to the constant nonsense we have to listen to from you? :P
Do not interject logic into my ramblings!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
Ethan Hammond
Damn he got us with his legal mumbo jumbo. You win this round Blade!!!!
Ethan Hammond
>
> Ethan Hammond wrote:
>
> > Blade wrote:
> >
> > > Then why do so many people like it? And why do so many people like
> > > various characters from it?
> >
> > For the same reason some people like Ranma 1/2 better than UY. ^_-
>
> Which is...?
I was giving Blade a hard time, our history on this issue is well
documented in google land. Mmmmm history.
Ethan Hammond
> > Popularity is not an indication of quality however.
>
> Popularity is not an indication of lack of quality, either.
This is true.
> > Sure it may sell well, but so what. I would also be
> > interested to see what percentage of Love Hina's fan
> > base are girls.
>
> Quite a few, from personal experience.
Where are these female fans, and can I come and count them?
Mmmm demographics sampling.
Ethan Hammond
Damn pagans. I shake my fist at them, SHAKE IT!!!!
*SHAKES FIST*
Ethan Hammond
> Reminds me a lot of my dealings with Microsoft, it does <grins>
>
> (Hint: Microsoft isn't Keitaro ... )
Take it like a man, TAKE IT!!!!
Blade
> Blade wrote:
>> > Popularity is not an indication of quality however.
>>
>> Popularity is not an indication of lack of quality, either.
>
> This is true.
Which is where we get down to the point, that this is all subjective.
It's just like how some people think Lain is a brilliant, deep,
thoughtful series, and some think it's deliberately obscured
pseudoprofound gibberish. (And every shade in-between.)
Remember, the only thing one can be objective about is that Utena is The
Greatest Series Of All Time. ;p
>> > Sure it may sell well, but so what. I would also be
>> > interested to see what percentage of Love Hina's fan
>> > base are girls.
>>
>> Quite a few, from personal experience.
>
> Where are these female fans, and can I come and count them?
> Mmmm demographics sampling.
Well, if you're ever in the Ottawa area, I could introduce you to my SO,
who is the one who first got both me and Rob interested in the series,
and still likes it more than I do. ;p
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Ethan Hammond
> Which is where we get down to the point, that this is all subjective.
> It's just like how some people think Lain is a brilliant, deep,
> thoughtful series, and some think it's deliberately obscured
> pseudoprofound gibberish. (And every shade in-between.)
>
> Remember, the only thing one can be objective about is that Utena is The
> Greatest Series Of All Time. ;p
Obviously you had a lapse in sanity and meant to write Nuku Nuku.
*nods nods* A LAPSE!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
> >> > Sure it may sell well, but so what. I would also be
> >> > interested to see what percentage of Love Hina's fan
> >> > base are girls.
> >>
> >> Quite a few, from personal experience.
> >
> > Where are these female fans, and can I come and count them?
> > Mmmm demographics sampling.
>
> Well, if you're ever in the Ottawa area, I could introduce you to my SO,
> who is the one who first got both me and Rob interested in the series,
> and still likes it more than I do. ;p
I have been to Canada once and I do plan to go again someday, so
you never know. And yay for anime watching SO!!!! YAY!!!!
Arthur Levesque
Blade>Lurker was responding to.
Arthur>A lot of people also watch the reality TV dreck currently
Arthur>infesting the airwaves. That doesn't mean that it's good.
That's also a truism -- that the number of people watching a series is
not an indicator of quality.
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"Arthur Levesque" <meist...@boog.org> wrote in message
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> Blade>That might have a point, except that that WASN'T the statement
> Blade>Lurker was responding to.
>
> Arthur>A lot of people also watch the reality TV dreck currently
> Arthur>infesting the airwaves. That doesn't mean that it's good.
>
> That's also a truism -- that the number of people watching a series
is
> not an indicator of quality.
<nod> If quantity = quality, then McDonald's would serve the best
food available anywhere.
And Microsoft would write the best software.
And, in the early 70's, GM would have built the best cars.
Quantity only means QUANTITY. That's all.
RwP
Rob Kelk
wrote:
>Rob said
>
>>How do you explain the fact that I like Love Hina, then? I've seen many
>>"harem" anime, I don't like unoriginality, and quality does matter to
>>me.
>>
>>I think the people who call Love Hina "just another harem anime"
>
>>might
>>also call Nadesico "just another robot anime", and for the same reasons.
>
>A good parody in my eyes takes the concepts of an accepted genre and moves them
>forward by mocking them. Nadesico was good because it explored the concepts old
>robot shows were based on. It showed a lot of time, effort and thought. It
>didn't just slap in a few exagerations and then say LOOK, IT'S WACKY! Also, the
>chracters were multi faceted people, I don't recall a single look I'm wacky
>chracter from nadesico,
Jiro "Gai Daidoji" Yamada and the redheaded mecha pilot (Hikaru?) would
count as "look, I'm wacky" characters, IMHO.
> but Love Hina has look we're wacky in spades.
I'll agree that Kaolla Su is a "look, I'm wacky" character, yes. But
who else qualifies? Certainly Motoko, Shinobu, and Kitsune don't, and
IMHO Keitaro and Naru don't either - YMMV.
> To me,
>quality invovles more than just being competent. Love Hina is ok, it is not
>horribly bad. But to be quality to me, you gotta move it forward.
What do you mean by "move it forward"? Both the plot and the
characterizations were developed during the TV series run, after all.
> Like UY, I
>read some of the manga(not much of the anime) and while Ataru was a lecher, and
>that was played for laughs, he had a sweet side, a mature side, and really
>loved Lum. It wasn't like "Let's just throw in a neb, and get him smacked
>around because he is horny" and for that reason, I'm talking about a show that
>was created before I was born. Also a note, Look, we're wacky! is a term
>meaning one dimensional archetypes played for humor.
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Rob Kelk
<lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Blade wrote:
<snip>
>> Oh, christ. Does this have to come up in EVERY discussion about the
>> series?
>>
>> THE VIOLENCE ISN'T REAL, PEOPLE. What is happening to Keitaro is the
>> equivalent of being slapped. He is not actually being hurt. On the few
>> times he actually IS hurt, there is a clear difference.
>>
>> Jeez.
>
>LHA disagrees, unless the crutch is just so keitarou can look pathetic in
>front of Naru.
Yes, Blade did say "On the few times he actually IS hurt, there is a
clear difference." Thank you for the confirming example.
Rob Kelk
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Blade wrote:
>
>> Which is where we get down to the point, that this is all subjective.
>> It's just like how some people think Lain is a brilliant, deep,
>> thoughtful series, and some think it's deliberately obscured
>> pseudoprofound gibberish. (And every shade in-between.)
>>
>> Remember, the only thing one can be objective about is that Utena is The
>> Greatest Series Of All Time. ;p
>
>Obviously you had a lapse in sanity and meant to write Nuku Nuku.
>*nods nods* A LAPSE!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
Good Lord, can't either of you spell "Saber Marionette J" correctly?
^_^
<snip>
Animeg3282
(dude, there's spoilers for Nadesico in here)
>Jiro "Gai Daidoji" Yamada and the redheaded mecha pilot (Hikaru?) would
>count as "look, I'm wacky" characters, IMHO.
Yamada? He died quickly, and not to mention, his death serves as motivation for
Akito. It's not like they just put in an otaku for laughs. He didn't die just
to be forgotten. Yes, he was an otaku, but he also stood for the ideals of
truly believing in something. Hikaru? When does she keep being in the same flat
role forever? Yea, she teases Ryoko and is rather bouncy, but she also has
interestiing dynamics with the other chracters. Do you want me to write a
zillion page post on her relationship with the mecha obsessed mechanic? Whereas
Love Hina's chracters, well..they are types. They actually thought about
putting a girl otaku in, and her rejection of Uribatake(sp?) exemplfies that.
She doesn't want to be hit on only because she enjoys making models. Also, her
wacky side fades towards the end. Actually thinking about the chracters is what
makes a good parody.
>
>I'll agree that Kaolla Su is a "look, I'm wacky" character, yes. But
>who else qualifies? Certainly Motoko, Shinobu, and Kitsune don't, and
>IMHO Keitaro and Naru don't either - YMMV.
Motoko? Man hater. Let's put her in for laughs. Shinobu? Quiet type. Keitaro-
neb. Naru- A VERY look we're wacky. Look, we need to humiliate Keitaro!!! Let's
have her hit him for no reason! Yea, that's FUNNY!
>
>What do you mean by "move it forward"? Both the plot and the
>characterizations were developed during the TV series run, after all.
I mean in relation to others in the genre. You can't just go through a million
filler episodes where the chracter fulfill the same archetypical(sp?) role over
and over and then put one moment of 'Look, I'm not such a jerk after all" and
all the sudden, your piece of crap has depth. The whole anime better push that
envolope, it better try to be of superior quality, it has to show thought and
invention. If you just throw in one moment and think it makes up for episode
after episode of worthless crap, well....... Basically, the anime must show
that the creators didn't just go in on auto pilot. I may be really picky, but
anime is expensive, you know
Animeg3282
>Love Hina is one of the series I was considering buying. It seems to get
>good recommendations and being a sort of romantic comedy show (right?) it
>would be a change from what I have already. What I have is typically on
>the more serious side for the main story line although there are funny
>parts to them. Well, at least for what I've watched so far. I haven't
>seen everything I bought yet.
> OK, now I have heard that Love Hina is sort of cliche in that it uses
>a pretty old theme, the lots of girls with one guy thing. But I haven't
>seen lots of that either. Now I haven't seen the show so I don't know if
>I like it (if I buy it later I can let you know), but A would be true for
>me. As for B I'd say the show may be unoriginal, but if you haven't seen
>it before, it's new to you. Unoriginal isn't necessarily bad. I am kind
>of curious about your point C though -- exactly what about the show says
>it's bad quality to you? I can't recall seeing many complaints about
>quality in anime (I mean in general, not specifically Love Hina or any
>other show), so I'm wondering what you find bad about it that perhaps
>other people don't.
>
>>B) can be true, a lot of people know what they like and don't mind seeing
>>it again.
>
>True. And if people like to watch the same basic story lines over and
>over in different series, that's their choice.
>
>>C) is usually true for Hollywood, so it could be true for anime, too.
>
>Well, how many truly original plots are there? Hasn't just about everything
>been done already at some point in the history of entertainment? *shrug*
>I'm not exactly saying that everything has been done and there's nothing
>new left to do. I haven't thought about it or followed things that much to
>really know. I'm putting it out more as something to think about should
>you be so inclined.
>
>>If something passes the time and vaguely entertains you, it's great.
>
>Yup, if you like it, then it doesn't really matter if others don't.
>
>>It's true that many people simply don't care if the writing is particularly
>>good.
>
>Well, sometimes people just don't want to really think about what they're
>watching. Sometimes they want mindless entertainment, something that's fun
>to watch but doesn't really require engaging your brain to understand.
>I don't really mind having to think about shows now and then, but I also
>enjoy shows where I can basically just watch and not have to take such an
>active role in understanding it.
>
>>For example, I'm always being like something interesting has to happen in
>>every episode!!!! but many are fine with incessant filler.. I used to
>>be fine with that, but now I'm all twitchy.
>
>I'm a little confused by the wording of that first sentence (should "being"
>be "feeling"?), but I get the idea. And you're certainly right, everyone
>has their own tastes and preferences. I don't think I mind some filler,
>but if the story really starts to lag because of it and I notice it, I
>might not like it as much. With what I've seen so far, I haven't really
>noticed any filler causing the story to lag that much.
> As far as Love Hina itself goes, I've been reading the thread to get
>some more opinions about it to help me decide if I should buy it. It's
>currently on my short list of things to consider for the next purchase.
>It sounds like it should be a funny show and having something that's
>mainly comedy instead of a serious show with funny moments should be nice.
>Plus it will help expand my experience with anime. FWIW, I saw a video
>of the Love Hina opening while doing some web searching yesterday. I don't
>remember it really well right now, but I was particularly amused by the
>main guy getting hit so hard that he flew over buildings. :) I agree
>that the female on male violence isn't everyone's favorite and that it's
>a lot easier to get away with that than male on female violence, but from
>the little I know of it right now it seems like it would be a fun show to
>watch. If you want to offer suggestions about it for me, great, but it's
>fine with me if you just continue the main line of discussion in the thread.
>I'll follow along and take what seems useful from it.
>
I'm pretty picky because I've grown away from the whole set down an archetype,
put in a hundred zillion filler episodes and occasionally putting in a plot
point or some shallow 'devolpment' but the people go back to status quo after
that episode so it doesn't matter type of anime.
Lena B Katz
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Ethan Hammond wrote:
> > Quite a few, from personal experience.
>
> Where are these female fans, and can I come and count them?
> Mmmm demographics sampling.
fwiw, I liked love hina the first time I saw it. nice lite fair. not
that i knew anything about dating games, or even many harem comedies.
Lena
Blade
True enough. As long as you realise that the opposite is equally untrue.
Not being appreciated by many people ALSO does not make something good.
Blade
Blade
news:20030225112411...@mb-ch.aol.com:
> Rob said
<snip>
>>I'll agree that Kaolla Su is a "look, I'm wacky" character, yes.
>>But who else qualifies? Certainly Motoko, Shinobu, and Kitsune
>>don't, and IMHO Keitaro and Naru don't either - YMMV.
>
> Motoko? Man hater. Let's put her in for laughs. Shinobu? Quiet type.
> Keitaro- neb. Naru- A VERY look we're wacky. Look, we need to
> humiliate Keitaro!!! Let's have her hit him for no reason! Yea,
> that's FUNNY!
Animeg, you either haven't seen much of the series, or your dislike for
it is such that you clearly cannot be objective about it in the
slightest.
Nobody's going to take you seriously when you go around calling Motoko a
"Look, I'm wacky!" character with no depth or development beyond "man-
hater".
Blade
Arthur Levesque
Arthur>infesting the airwaves. That doesn't mean that it's good.
Arthur>That's also a truism -- that the number of people watching a
Arthur>series is not an indicator of quality.
Blade>True enough. As long as you realise that the opposite is equally
Blade>untrue. Not being appreciated by many people ALSO does not make
Blade>something good.
True. But nobody has made that argument. It was the Hina supporters
who brought up popularity as if it meant something, not the detractors. We
were rebutting.
Blade
> Arthur>A lot of people also watch the reality TV dreck currently
> Arthur>infesting the airwaves. That doesn't mean that it's good.
>
> Arthur>That's also a truism -- that the number of people watching a
> Arthur>series is not an indicator of quality.
>
> Blade>True enough. As long as you realise that the opposite is
> equally Blade>untrue. Not being appreciated by many people ALSO
> does not make Blade>something good.
>
> True. But nobody has made that argument. It was the Hina
> supporters
> who brought up popularity as if it meant something, not the
> detractors. We were rebutting.
Incorrect.
***
Lena>comedic violence is often funny.
Arthur>Not everyone finds LH's violence comedic.
Blade>Given its popularity, obviously a lot of people do.
***
The point was not that Love Hina was good because it was popular, but
that not everybody got uptight over the comedic, obviously unrealistic
violence.
In that context, popularity does indeed mean something.
Blade
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> >>
> >> Remember, the only thing one can be objective about is that Utena is
The
> >> Greatest Series Of All Time. ;p
> >
> >Obviously you had a lapse in sanity and meant to write Nuku Nuku.
> >*nods nods* A LAPSE!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
>
> Good Lord, can't either of you spell "Saber Marionette J" correctly?
> ^_^
I can't believe none of you can spell "Azumanga Daioh"...
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>
>"Rob Kelk" <rob...@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >> Remember, the only thing one can be objective about is that Utena is
>The
>> >> Greatest Series Of All Time. ;p
>> >
>> >Obviously you had a lapse in sanity and meant to write Nuku Nuku.
>> >*nods nods* A LAPSE!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
>>
>> Good Lord, can't either of you spell "Saber Marionette J" correctly?
>> ^_^
>
>I can't believe none of you can spell "Azumanga Daioh"...
>
*sigh*
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Animeg3282
>Animeg, you either haven't seen much of the series, or your dislike for
>it is such that you clearly cannot be objective about it in the
>slightest.
Unfortunately, I did not subject myself to the entire series of Love Hina. If
you have to wait til the end to have some promise, I don't have time. I don't
think one episode where something decent happens makes up for 25 of filler, you
know what I mean?
>
>Nobody's going to take you seriously when you go around calling Motoko a
>"Look, I'm wacky!" character with no depth or development beyond "man-
>hater".
No one's going to take someone thinking that Love Hina is an intelligent parody
seriously, but people say that that too.
Blade
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> Blade siad
>
>>Animeg, you either haven't seen much of the series, or your dislike
>>for it is such that you clearly cannot be objective about it in the
>>slightest.
>
> Unfortunately, I did not subject myself to the entire series of Love
> Hina. If you have to wait til the end to have some promise, I don't
> have time. I don't think one episode where something decent happens
> makes up for 25 of filler, you know what I mean?
I know what you mean; it just doesn't apply.
I've watched a disc and a half of it, and I still know that was bull.
>>Nobody's going to take you seriously when you go around calling
>>Motoko a "Look, I'm wacky!" character with no depth or development
>>beyond "man-hater".
>
> No one's going to take someone thinking that Love Hina is an
> intelligent parody seriously, but people say that that too.
<shrug> If someone else says a grossly unbelievable exaggeration, does
that make it okay for you to use your own grossly unbelievable
exaggeration?
Blade
Animeg3282
>I know what you mean; it just doesn't apply.
>
>I've watched a disc and a half of it, and I still know that was bull.
>
Ok, then explain.
>
><shrug> If someone else says a grossly unbelievable exaggeration, does
>that make it okay for you to use your own grossly unbelievable
>exaggeration?
>
Then to me it would seem like everyone else gets to have all the grossly
unbelievable exageration fun, and I would feel resentment.
Jorge Pratt
I know!
I have a couple of questions that have been burning in my mind all week:
Who would win? Superman, or Gokuu?
And would Batman win against Ranma? Who's Ranma's Best Babe (tm), anyway?
*flees for his life, laughing maniacally*
The Zephyr
Rob Kelk
wrote:
>Blade siad
>
>>Animeg, you either haven't seen much of the series, or your dislike for
>>it is such that you clearly cannot be objective about it in the
>>slightest.
>
>Unfortunately, I did not subject myself to the entire series of Love Hina. If
>you have to wait til the end to have some promise, I don't have time. I don't
>think one episode where something decent happens makes up for 25 of filler, you
>know what I mean?
Let me put it this way: I could say how trite and derivitave "Fancy
Lala" is, based on having watched all of two episodes. But I won't,
because I'm reasonably sure from what I've heard from other people that
the show gets better after those two episodes. I'm going on what people
here who *have* watched the show tell me because I haven't had the time
to find out for myself, and I'm doing my best to avoid making a negative
pre-judgement on the anime based on what little I have seen of it.
I'm not about to say "If you have to wait til the end of Fancy Lala to
have some promise, I don't have time;" instead, I'm withholding
judgement unless or until I *do* have time.
>>Nobody's going to take you seriously when you go around calling Motoko a
>>"Look, I'm wacky!" character with no depth or development beyond "man-
>>hater".
>
>No one's going to take someone thinking that Love Hina is an intelligent parody
>seriously, but people say that that too.
That may be because people have actually watched the series...
Animeg3282
>Lala" is, based on having watched all of two episodes
Homages are derivative because they are homages. If you took the entire plot
of a show, and put it in another show, it's derivative. In fact, I say that
Fancy Lala is deriviative( see: Creamy Mami, out in digisubs now!!) It's its'
approach that makes it worth watching. If you think about what you are
repeating, your repetition could mean something
> But I won't,
>because I'm reasonably sure from what I've heard from other people that
>the show gets better after those two episodes.
>I'm going on what people
>here who *have* watched the show tell me because I haven't had the time
>to find out for myself, and I'm doing my best to avoid making a negative
>pre-judgement on the anime based on what little I have seen of it.
>
>I'm not about to say "If you have to wait til the end of Fancy Lala to
>have some promise, I don't have time;" instead, I'm withholding
>judgement unless or until I *do* have time.
>
What sort of anime fans are you getting this rec from? Most anime fans will
watch anything and will sit through 50 episodes of filler to get to 2 of good
stuff. Also, one dvd worth shows its worth or lack of thereof. I have only
watched like 8 episodes of Love Hina, in an anime club setting thank goodness
or I would have started a campaign of serious cussing.
>That may be because people have actually watched the series...
You can see nadesico actually paying attention to what it is parodying in a few
episodes. you can see love hina's lack of care there too.
Nargun
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 04:45:32 GMT, "roshnikasumo" <o...@spamspambrown.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >"Nargun" <lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.OSF.4.10.103022...@cassius.its.unimelb.edu.au...
> >> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Rob Kelk wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> > Blade remins me that I have one again mixed up Makoto and Motoko...
> >> > <sigh> Sorry about that.
> >>
> >> I now have a vision of a Makoto Kusanagi, a sort of EH/GitS crossover...
> >
> >I have a freakier image of Makoto Kino & Motoko's personality quirks meshing
> >into one of the more bizzare pairings I've seen...
>
> And meanwhile, Motoko (either one) is stuck impersonating royalty on
> El-Hazard...
I suggest LH Motoko; either sex royalty, doesn't really matter...
Kusanagi Motoko in Roshtaria strikes me has having the potential to do
extreme violence to the plot.
OTOH, that way we get lesbian robot action, which is probably a plus.
Even if it gets cut from the US graphic novel...
Louis [could be worse; could be kusanagi minako...]
--
Louis Patterson l.patt...@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au
"He was handicapped early in life by being born very young, and for a
number of months he was unable to walk and had to be carried around by his
mother." - Lennie Lower, "Plumbob, the Magic Plumber"
Galen Musbach
<lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Rob Kelk wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 04:45:32 GMT, "roshnikasumo" <o...@spamspambrown.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Nargun" <lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.OSF.4.10.103022...@cassius.its.unimelb.edu.au...
>> >> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Rob Kelk wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >> > Blade remins me that I have one again mixed up Makoto and Motoko...
>> >> > <sigh> Sorry about that.
>> >>
>> >> I now have a vision of a Makoto Kusanagi, a sort of EH/GitS crossover...
>> >
>> >I have a freakier image of Makoto Kino & Motoko's personality quirks meshing
>> >into one of the more bizzare pairings I've seen...
>>
>> And meanwhile, Motoko (either one) is stuck impersonating royalty on
>> El-Hazard...
>
>I suggest LH Motoko; either sex royalty, doesn't really matter...
>
>Kusanagi Motoko in Roshtaria strikes me has having the potential to do
>extreme violence to the plot.
She would eliminate the Phantom Tribe fairly quickly.
-Galen
Chibi-Light
like some poodle noodle strudel?\)" <ell4...@sbcglowball.net> wrote:
>
>This thread is officially gay.
A thread can have a sexual preference?
CL
Ralph Wade Phillips
"Blade" <kumo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Ralph Wade Phillips" <ral...@techie.com> wrote in
> news:b3ftj3$1mkb7i$2...@ID-81734.news.dfncis.de:
> > Quantity only means QUANTITY. That's all.
>
> True enough. As long as you realise that the opposite is equally untrue.
> Not being appreciated by many people ALSO does not make something good.
To add to this, quantity does NOT mean a lack of quality, and lack
of quantity does NOT mean a lack of quality either.
(As a general rule, however, it's usually safe to be contrarian -
witness the quantity of McBurgers out there ... <grins> )
RwP
Slortar
It suddenly acquired really good taste in clothing?
roshnikasumo
"The Eternal Lost Lurker (would you like some poodle noodle strudel?)"
<ell4...@sbcglowball.net> wrote in message
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>
> This thread is officially gay.
>
> Thank you, that is all.
>
Really? I didn't think anyone brought up Akiko from Love Hina yet...
*flee*