Geneon, Dead or just in Hospital?
Inu-Yasha
spot (which they are closing). They had an attachment from Eiji Oiji:
Dear Geneon Spot Members,
Unfortunately, we will be closing the Geneon Spot as part of the
restructuring of Geneon USA business. On that note, we also have a message
to you from our CEO, Eiji Orii.
(See attached file: GeneonFanLetter10_07.pdf)
Thank you very much for your understanding and for all of your support.
Sincerely,
Chad Kime
Manager, Marketing & Corporate Planning
Geneon Entertainment
Attached letter text:
October 5, 2007
To our fans,
Recently, we announced that we will not be accepting orders on Geneon
products after Friday, September 28, 2007. We have read your comments that
you have e-mailed and posted on various web sites, and received your
numerous calls.
At this time, we are internally discussing plans to explore all available
options to continue distribution of Geneon titles, both old and new, at a
later date. However, nothing is certain at this time. We will release more
information to the public once we have any concrete plans, if any.
We would like to thank you for your support over the last 20+ years - first
as Pioneer and then as Geneon. We have worked hard to bring you the best in
Japanese animation and you have responded with an intense passion and
support for our products.
As Geneon evolves, we hope that we can continue to be a part of your future.
Thanks you.
(signed}
Eiji Orii
President and CEO, Geneon Entertainment(USA) Inc.
Well, alive or dead??
InuYasha
Feh!! ^_^
Aje RavenStar
"Inu-Yasha" <tjar...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Dunno about that, but we might want to start watching Overstock.com, Big
Lots, Dollar General, etc, for fire sales...
Chika
Aje RavenStar <whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Well, alive or dead??
> Dunno about that, but we might want to start watching Overstock.com, Big
> Lots, Dollar General, etc, for fire sales...
Hmm. How the mighty have fallen. Perhaps it's pining...
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Rob Kelk
wrote:
<snip>
>At this time, we are internally discussing plans to explore all available
>options to continue distribution of Geneon titles, both old and new, at a
>later date. However, nothing is certain at this time. We will release more
>information to the public once we have any concrete plans, if any.
Why does this sound to me like they're looking to sell off their
licences?
<snip>
>Well, alive or dead??
It's too soon to tell...
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Aje RavenStar
"Arne Luft" <ne...@yhsg3.invalid> wrote in message
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> Chika wrote:
>
>>In article <ndWdncBXuZ3ZH5ra...@comcast.com>,
>> Aje RavenStar <whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> > Well, alive or dead??
>>
>>> Dunno about that, but we might want to start watching Overstock.com, Big
>>> Lots, Dollar General, etc, for fire sales...
>>
>>Hmm. How the mighty have fallen. Perhaps it's pining...
>
Not hardly. Sturgeon's 90/10 rule still applies. Even US animation comes
up with a few things worth discussing in here (Avatar, Ben 10) amid all the
Squidbillies, Saul TMMs, Kappa Mikeys (although I do have a secret hope
they'll option Mitsuki to the studio that did the Japanese version of
Powderpuff Girls and spin her off into a real show).
Let's not forget how few of the animes made ever make it to the US. There's
got to be gems in the backlog of shows and classic animes we've not heard
about yet.
Aje RavenStar
"Rob Kelk" <rob...@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:10:02 -0400, "Inu-Yasha" <tjar...@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>At this time, we are internally discussing plans to explore all available
>>options to continue distribution of Geneon titles, both old and new, at a
>>later date. However, nothing is certain at this time. We will release
>>more
>>information to the public once we have any concrete plans, if any.
>
> Why does this sound to me like they're looking to sell off their
> licences?
>
> <snip>
>
>>Well, alive or dead??
>
> It's too soon to tell...
>
Agreed. When I've heard things like this before, what generally follows is
actions to get cash flow going. Firesales on existing stock and marketable
assets (patents in industry, the best pitchers and batters in baseball,
licenses for shows).
Galen
<whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Let's not forget how few of the animes made ever make it to the US. There's
>got to be gems in the backlog of shows and classic animes we've not heard
>about yet.
ESPer Mami, Kolokolo Polon, Sasuga no Sarutobi, Onegai My Melody,...
-Galen
Aje RavenStar
"Arne Luft" <ne...@yhsg3.invalid> wrote in message
> stories of the last season. Anything else is licensed or in
> distribution.
No, what comes to the US is what someone thinks will sell. Sometimes they
seem to be listening to the buzz in here and other fan sources, sometimes
they go buy the license for Nuku Nuku Dash (or fill in your favorite WTF
here).
There's usually someone who will like any given thing. I can't figure out
why Family Guy is still on the air, but Daria isn't.
star...@yahoo.com
always saying "merger", since I didn't see how, really, Geneon could
stay relevant in the current market.
Look, if they finally wake up and realize how few people (compared, at
the least, with how many people they THINK are doing so) are actually
buying anime DVDs, you may be very lucky if you have Funi, ADV, and
Viz left after all this -- and forget about having anybody else unless
you're talking yaoi or hentai. And forget about seeing anything below
a solid B-level title getting licensed anymore. AND start wondering
about the future of the English voice talents.
One of the major problems has been oversaturation of titles, via a
gross overestimation of the sales-base of anime. Another is a large
slice of industry-hate.
Mike
star...@yahoo.com
> It's the eve of the animes. They run out of watchable stories.
Interesting take, and not necessarily a common one -- but it has been
getting discussed that anime is getting away from the big titles and
going toward the niche markets over in Japan...
Mike
Aje RavenStar
"Aje RavenStar" <whine...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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And, well timed for this discussion by Mistakes of Youth -
http://www.mistakesofyouth.com/index2.php?id=moy_comics/64/index
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> "Arne Luft" <ne...@yhsg3.invalid> wrote in message
> news:qk7fg3ljars85an28...@4ax.com...
> > Aje RavenStar wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Arne Luft" <ne...@yhsg3.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:dr3fg35b1lmvsvdhf...@4ax.com...
> >>> Chika wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>In article <ndWdncBXuZ3ZH5ra...@comcast.com>,
> >>>> Aje RavenStar <whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>> > Well, alive or dead??
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dunno about that, but we might want to start watching Overstock.com,
> >>>>> Big
> >>>>> Lots, Dollar General, etc, for fire sales...
> >>>>
> >>>>Hmm. How the mighty have fallen. Perhaps it's pining...
> >>>
> >>> It's the eve of the animes. They run out of watchable stories.
> >>
> >>Not hardly. Sturgeon's 90/10 rule still applies. Even US animation comes
> >>up with a few things worth discussing in here (Avatar, Ben 10) amid all
> >>the
> >>Squidbillies, Saul TMMs, Kappa Mikeys (although I do have a secret hope
> >>they'll option Mitsuki to the studio that did the Japanese version of
> >>Powderpuff Girls and spin her off into a real show).
> >>
Heheh, PowDerpuff Girls... I guess the anime is.... ^_^
> >>
> >>Let's not forget how few of the animes made ever make it to the US.
> >>There's
> >>got to be gems in the backlog of shows and classic animes we've not heard
> >>about yet.
> >
> > What comes to the US are the gems. There is nothing left except 3 or 4
> > stories of the last season. Anything else is licensed or in
> > distribution.
>
> No, what comes to the US is what someone thinks will sell. Sometimes they
> seem to be listening to the buzz in here and other fan sources, sometimes
> they go buy the license for Nuku Nuku Dash (or fill in your favorite WTF
> here).
>
> There's usually someone who will like any given thing. I can't figure out
> why Family Guy is still on the air, but Daria isn't.
>
Because Family Guy sold over a million DVDs.
Their fans actually put money where their mouths are.
Laters. =)
STan
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Chika
<whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > What comes to the US are the gems. There is nothing left except 3 or 4
> > stories of the last season. Anything else is licensed or in
> > distribution.
> No, what comes to the US is what someone thinks will sell. Sometimes
> they seem to be listening to the buzz in here and other fan sources,
> sometimes they go buy the license for Nuku Nuku Dash (or fill in your
> favorite WTF here).
I get the feeling, having seen what passes for releases these days, that
the folk buying for the US are losing touch with the grass roots of anime
fandom, given that they seem to be content with buying and releasing stuff
that is just "more of the same".
That isn't entirely their fault as the Japanese would have to make it
first, but it smacks of the same follow-my-leader approach that plagues
certain parts of the indigenous TV industry in the US.
I say this based on what eventually gets cast off for use by UK channels,
seeing that nobody over here bothers making anything new anymore
(something which one of the main licensing bodies over here has had a go
at the various companies about only this week).
> There's usually someone who will like any given thing. I can't figure
> out why Family Guy is still on the air, but Daria isn't.
Mainly because Viacom is run by wankers who have long since lost the plot.
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Chika
S.t.A.n.L.e.E <LostRu...@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote:
> Because Family Guy sold over a million DVDs.
> Their fans actually put money where their mouths are.
Maybe, but at least they got the chance.
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... I'm not nearly as think as you confused I am.
Invid Fan
RavenStar <whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
> There's usually someone who will like any given thing. I can't figure out
> why Family Guy is still on the air, but Daria isn't.
>
Daria, like most good series, had a built in time limit. At most it
could have gone one more season, but the creator told MTV he'd prefer
to finish with a TV movie instead of a final half season.
If you mean syndication wise, by now the music rights problem might
come into play for non-Viacom airings...
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'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
-'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
Invid Fan
<miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote:
> > There's usually someone who will like any given thing. I can't figure
> > out why Family Guy is still on the air, but Daria isn't.
>
> Mainly because Viacom is run by wankers who have long since lost the plot.
Very true, but there are many other reasons as well :)
Blade
"Chika" <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <g_CdnTjczvEZOJra...@comcast.com>, Aje RavenStar
> <whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > What comes to the US are the gems. There is nothing left except 3 or 4
>> > stories of the last season. Anything else is licensed or in
>> > distribution.
>
>> No, what comes to the US is what someone thinks will sell. Sometimes
>> they seem to be listening to the buzz in here and other fan sources,
>> sometimes they go buy the license for Nuku Nuku Dash (or fill in your
>> favorite WTF here).
>
> I get the feeling, having seen what passes for releases these days, that
> the folk buying for the US are losing touch with the grass roots of anime
> fandom, given that they seem to be content with buying and releasing stuff
> that is just "more of the same".
How exactly is the current glut of shounen action anime and peurile harem
shows any different than the glut of mecha and cheesecake action shows that
was the case six or seven years ago? More of the same has been the watchword
for the anime industry since forever (here and in Japan).
I would suspect the real problem is that the paying audience just didn't
grow as fast as the explosion of selection.
-
Blade
Aje RavenStar
"Blade" <kumo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I suspect you're right. Which puts the problem on the shoulders of
marketing - and wasn't that the first department Geneon laid off after the
distribution deal announcement?
Rob Kelk
<whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
<snip>
>I suspect you're right. Which puts the problem on the shoulders of
>marketing - and wasn't that the first department Geneon laid off after the
>distribution deal announcement?
Geneon's never been able to market anime properly, IMHO.
(Remember my rant from two months ago?
<http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.anime.misc/msg/67256505ed8b9532?hl=en>)
Relic
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:40:19 -0500, "Aje RavenStar"
> <whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I suspect you're right. Which puts the problem on the shoulders of
>> marketing - and wasn't that the first department Geneon laid off after the
>> distribution deal announcement?
>
> Geneon's never been able to market anime properly, IMHO.
Well, I remember when they first hit the market here in the
US (as Pioneer), it was an attempt to use their anime licenses
(Tenchi Muyo and Moldiver) to schlep LD players...didn't work
well, so they added VHS support (which is where I jumped in).