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noit...@hotmail.com

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Apr 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/23/98
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I have started this thread here because I did the same subject over in a
Robotech fan group and did not adequately argue against, which is not
answering my challenge: Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech? This does not
mean the more loved, but the better done. Please dichotomize, preferrably
those who have seen both. Superlative if you have copies of them. That
means that means that you have more than just seen, but know.

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noit...@hotmail.com

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Apr 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/23/98
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I have started this thread here because I did the same subject over in a
Robotech fan group and did not adequately argue against, which is not
answering my challenge: Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech? This does not
mean the more loved, but the better done. Please dichotomize, preferrably
those who have seen both. Superlative if you have copies of them. That
means that means that you have more than just seen, but know them.

Kagami101

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Apr 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/24/98
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>Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech?

As the story and narrative go, I would have to say that Yamato is superior to
Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeada. Of course Yamato doesn't have Minmay, so
the scale might tip in Macross's favor..... : )

TD

Keith Yatsuhashi

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noit...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I have started this thread here because I did the same subject over in a
> Robotech fan group and did not adequately argue against, which is not
> answering my challenge: Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech? This does not
> mean the more loved, but the better done. Please dichotomize, preferrably
> those who have seen both. Superlative if you have copies of them. That
> means that means that you have more than just seen, but know.

>
> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
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Even after all these years, I still can still watch Star Blazers and be
blown away by it. It's not only one of the most powerful anime's ever
done, it's one of the most heroic pieces of entertainment ever done.
Granted, it does have it's blatant scientific problems, but it sure is a
rip roaring good adventure. I tip my hat to the people who brought it
to the U.S. Sure, the deaths are sugar coated, sure, the enemies are
all "robots", but the translation still manages to be a notch above what
is put out there today. IMHO the voice acting and scripting is better
than what I saw on GitS. I absolutely love the scenes from the 2nd
series at the Hero's monument. And especially when Wildstar says
"Captain Gideon didn't surrender, he fought to the end....Can the Star
Force do any less?" AH, I could go on and on. OK it's not animated as
well as the newer stuff, but only Giant Robo has made me feel the wonder
I felt when I first saw Star Blazers back in '81

Enrique Conty

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Apr 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/24/98
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In article <6hoilo$rhi$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <noit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech?
>This does not mean the more loved, but the better done.

I'm not going to comment on Space Cruiset Yamato vs.
Macross/Mospeada/Southern Cross. That is a flamewar for another day.

Star Blazers was better done than Yamato because:
1) They kept the original story that made the show such a big hit
to begin with relatively intact.
2) They had better voice talent to begin with. Star Blazers drew from
experienced radio drama actors in need of jobs when that medium was
in a downslide, whereas Robotech had to rely on inexperienced, "greener"
actors who could be had for relatively low wages.

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Bruce "B-chan" Lewis

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Apr 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/24/98
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Enrique Conty wrote:

> Star Blazers was better done than Yamato [sic] because:


> 1) They kept the original story that made the show such a big hit
> to begin with relatively intact.

True.

> 2) They had better voice talent to begin with. Star Blazers drew from
> experienced radio drama actors in need of jobs when that medium was
> in a downslide, whereas Robotech had to rely on inexperienced, "greener"
> actors who could be had for relatively low wages.

I agree. I also think Star Blazers was better partly because it was a
New York production, and thus had New York production values (think
Broadway instead of "Three's Company"). No valley-girl accents in STAR
BLAZERS...

Plus Amy Howard's a pal and a sweetie and did a great job as Nova.


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On 24 Apr 1998 02:59:03 GMT, kaga...@aol.com (Kagami101) wrote:
>>Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech?
>
>As the story and narrative go, I would have to say that Yamato is superior to
>Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeada. Of course Yamato doesn't have Minmay, so
>the scale might tip in Macross's favor..... : )

I don't think that the original poster wanted to know which one was
superior in the original form, but which *adaptation* was superior. I
say Star Blazers because:
*The original stories were kept intact
*Superior voice acting (seasons 1 and 2 only. Season 3 was done by
the Speed Racer people, you do the math). With some characters it's
pretty damn spooky how much they sound like the original Japanese
actors. Plus, IMNSHO, Amy Howard's Nova was an improvement over the
original. Not to mention Desslok.
*Original music retained. The only time that English-language lyrics
were added were for the opening and ending credits, and "Scarlett
Scarf" from Ep #10 (which really doesn't count, since it's just on the
final refrain that there's English language lyrics and _then_ it's
only "We will return again" sung once or twice). Otherwise the
vocal-tracks were converted to instrumentals.

OTHO, for Robotech:
*Only Macross and Mospieda were remotely similar to their originals,
and even those had some pretty nasty alterations, protoculture being
the biggest crime. Without the original definition of protoculture,
the Zentradi's reactions to human behavior makes very little sence.
*Voice acting wasn't so hot. It was passable, but no where near the
quality of Star Blazers. Having never seen the original Macross, I
can't judge them VS the original, though. But you don't have to have
seen the original to know that the effect on the Zentradi's voices
make them hard to understand (what happened to standard-issue anime
badguy echo?) and that Reba West should be drowned in a sea of
saccrine.
*None of the original music was retained. English vocals by said
incomperable Reba West. "We Can Win?!" 'Nuff said.

On the plus side, deaths and violence weren't covered up like they
were in SB, but that doesn't make the superior adaptation. The story
is what's important, and the truth is that the story in Yamato was
left alone in SB, but was heavily altered (in Southern Cross' case,
beyond recognition) in Robotech's. Bottom line, Star Blazers _is_
Space Cruiser Yamato in English with a few edits and name changes.
Can't say the same for Robotech.

Adam Ferraro

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Apr 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/24/98
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When comparing Starblazers versus Robotech, Starblazers is clearly
the better adaptation. I saw it when it first aired, and was blown
away by it. When I later found it on tape many yeras later, I was
blown away by it again. The voice actor for Avatar was especially
awesome. To this day, I can still hear his opening words from
epsiode one. "I can not bear to see what has become of Earth"

Not to mention the voice of Deslock and Zordar. Robotech just can't
compare.

Adam


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David Crowe

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Apr 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/24/98
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Enrique Conty <co...@enteract.com> wrote:

: In article <6hoilo$rhi$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <noit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech?
: >This does not mean the more loved, but the better done.

: I'm not going to comment on Space Cruiset Yamato vs.
: Macross/Mospeada/Southern Cross. That is a flamewar for another day.

: Star Blazers was better done than Yamato because:
<snip>

Wow. Don't let KJ Kravonen hear you say that! :)

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Apr 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/25/98
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On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:31:42 GMT, adfe...@mindspring.com (Adam
Ferraro) wrote:

>When comparing Starblazers versus Robotech, Starblazers is clearly
>the better adaptation. I saw it when it first aired, and was blown
>away by it. When I later found it on tape many yeras later, I was
>blown away by it again. The voice actor for Avatar was especially
>awesome. To this day, I can still hear his opening words from
>epsiode one. "I can not bear to see what has become of Earth"
>
>Not to mention the voice of Deslock and Zordar. Robotech just can't
>compare.
>

I agree with you 100%, but then, when you get right down to it, the
smurfs were better then robotech... and thats saying a lot right
there...

BRoehl102

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Apr 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/25/98
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>I agree with you 100%, but then, when you get right down to it, the
>smurfs were better then robotech... and thats saying a lot right
>there...

Why is it so hip to trash Robotech? Is it because it is so popular? I don't
buy the crap saying that it sucks because its popularity speaks more than that.
Outside of the anime community, it is conisdered a classic. I have seen the
first 16 episodes of Macross (subs), and I don't find the two to be all that
different. Starblazers looks like it belongs in the seventies, and it is
dated. Robotech has a much more comprehensive story arch, and the animation is
better. Starblazers' animation makes Disney's Cindarella look like the Mona
Lisa. Starblazers' may be a closer representation of the orignal Japanese
series but Robotech is more remembered by more fans than Starblazers. That is
so because Robotech is a much more rememberable story. It has a much richer
character development of the characters than Starblazers. It just seems to me
that everyone bashes Robotech because they are jealous of its popularity among
the American audiences. Anime fans seem to think that if the Americans like
it, it must be bad. I don't get that logic. Robotech's popularity among the
American audience is cemented, and this constant bashing of the series actually
makes anime fans seem petty, and unreliable. And you guys wonder why anime
isn't very popular. It is because you guys try to bash everything that is
popular. It is like all that Titanic bashing going around.

Brad

Thunder Empress Arshes Nei

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Apr 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/25/98
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On 25 Apr 1998, BRoehl102 wrote:

It is like all that Titanic bashing going around.
>
> Brad
>
>

Ok, I'll say this, I like Titanic for some of the stuff, mainly the
sinking of the ship and background characters. The main characters SUCKED.
I could have very well skipped the first two hours of the film then tell
you how good Titanic is. I don't think anything that couldn't really keep
good acting in the main actors should win Best Picture. Unless of course
there weren't any actors. A Best Picture film should be strong in all
catagories - Titanic was not. LA confidential should have won that. As far
as the main actors it bothers me how all these teen girls are now thinking
Titanic's love story is realistic, when its IDEALISTIC. The movie is
overrated for the 3 hours that caused a sore on my butt ^_- I don't think
that much money should have been spent on a movie if they couldn't do a
decent job with the script for the main actors, A night to remember
accomplished all what Titanic did and on a hell of a smaller budget.

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Adam Ferraro

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broe...@aol.com (BRoehl102) wrote:

>popular. It is like all that Titanic bashing going around.

>Brad

Well Brad,

First you have to realize that this is RAAM, and a usenet group.
That means we all have highly charged opinions here and don't hesitate
to let fly at a moments notice. ;) Second, you'll find that this
newsgroup is much more polarized than mainstream when it comes to such
things as Robotech. Why? Probably because to a lot of people here,
Robotech isn't Robotech existing as a whole seperate creation in and
of itself, but as the english dub of Macross, Southern Cross and
Mospeada put together by Carl Macek.

And, when you consider it that way, the simple fact is as individual
dubs of individual series, they are pretty poor. That's why a lot of
people don't like it, and bash it whenever they can. Personally, I
like Robotech. But then again, I don't take Robotech to be the
English dub of Macross etc. I see it as a whole new separate and
distinct creation that should be taken on it's own merits. A lot of
people don't.

But that's getting off topic. This thread was about which one was
better technically. And, that means Star Blazers is the clear
victor. As someone pointed out earlier, Star Blazers IS Yamato
dubbed into English. Robotech IS NOT Macross, Southern Cross, and
Mospeada dubbed into English.

John Sweeney

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Apr 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/25/98
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On 25 Apr 1998, BRoehl102 wrote:

> Why is it so hip to trash Robotech? Is it because it is so popular? I don't

Good question. People like to trash things that they don't like. With
Robotech, several of the reasons people don't like it are very evident,
and quite justifiable, giving them more ammo to trash the show with.
Personally, I have no problem with people who like Robotech, but I enjoy
the original shows more (I think the story-line that was used to tie the
three together was weakly concieved, and poorly executed).

> buy the crap saying that it sucks because its popularity speaks more than that.
> Outside of the anime community, it is conisdered a classic. I have seen the
> first 16 episodes of Macross (subs), and I don't find the two to be all that

The first 16 episodes aren't *that* different, but towards the end of the
Macross series, there were several *large* changes, including the nature
of Protoculture. IIRC, Robotech really stopped making sense when they
started trying to explain Protoculture in the Macross arc. In the original
storyline, it makes a lot more sense, and enjoys a much better execution.

I won't speak about Starblazers/Yamato, because I've only seen a few eps
of either.

John Sweeney
Executive Pervert

noit...@hotmail.com

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Apr 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/25/98
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broe...@aol.com (BRoehl102) wrote:
>
> >I agree with you 100%, but then, when you get right down to it, the
> >smurfs were better then robotech... and thats saying a lot right
> >there...
>
> Why is it so hip to trash Robotech? Is it because it is so popular? I don't
> buy the crap saying that it sucks because its popularity speaks more than that.
> Outside of the anime community, it is conisdered a classic. I have seen the
> first 16 episodes of Macross (subs), and I don't find the two to be all that
> different. Starblazers looks like it belongs in the seventies, and it is
> dated. Robotech has a much more comprehensive story arch, and the animation is
> better. Starblazers' animation makes Disney's Cindarella look like the Mona
> Lisa. Starblazers' may be a closer representation of the orignal Japanese
> series but Robotech is more remembered by more fans than Starblazers. That is
> so because Robotech is a much more rememberable story. It has a much richer
> character development of the characters than Starblazers. It just seems to me
> that everyone bashes Robotech because they are jealous of its popularity among
> the American audiences. Anime fans seem to think that if the Americans like
> it, it must be bad. I don't get that logic. Robotech's popularity among the
> American audience is cemented, and this constant bashing of the series actually
> makes anime fans seem petty, and unreliable. And you guys wonder why anime
> isn't very popular. It is because you guys try to bash everything that is
> popular. It is like all that Titanic bashing going around.
>

Friend, that is is due to melodramatics. While the characters were more
developed, it unfortunately was too near soap. the enemies were panicking in
front of kisses. You could not respect these foes like you could Desslok and
the Gamilons. They were far more complex, except perhaps Khyron; it is like
a tiger to a pack of cards. As for dated? There were discos aboard the
SDF1, and do not give the lame excuse of it being back in style. I

noit...@hotmail.com

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In article <35437c24...@news1.channel1.com>,
mi...@user1.NO_SPAM.com wrote:

>
> On 24 Apr 1998 02:59:03 GMT, kaga...@aol.com (Kagami101) wrote:
> >>Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech?
> >
> >As the story and narrative go, I would have to say that Yamato is superior to
> >Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeada. Of course Yamato doesn't have Minmay, so
> >the scale might tip in Macross's favor..... : )
>
> I don't think that the original poster wanted to know which one was
> superior in the original form, but which *adaptation* was superior. I
> say Star Blazers because:
> *The original stories were kept intact
> *Superior voice acting (seasons 1 and 2 only. Season 3 was done by
> the Speed Racer people, you do the math). With some characters it's
> pretty damn spooky how much they sound like the original Japanese
> actors. Plus, IMNSHO, Amy Howard's Nova was an improvement over the
> original. Not to mention Desslok.
Amen! The his voice made him an unforgettable original.
True, the deaths were covered, but if you paid attention, you got the idea.

Innpchan

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.980425...@eve.speakeasy.org>,

Thunder Empress Arshes Nei <sa...@speakeasy.org> writes:

>Ok, I'll say this, I like Titanic for some of the stuff, mainly the
>sinking of the ship and background characters. The main characters SUCKED.
>I could have very well skipped the first two hours of the film then tell
>you how good Titanic is. I don't think anything that couldn't really keep
>good acting in the main actors should win Best Picture. Unless of course
>there weren't any actors.

I think you're hitting Kate and ShoujoBoy a bit hard. What they needed was a
SCRIPT.


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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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John Sweeney wrote:
>
> On 25 Apr 1998, BRoehl102 wrote:
>
> > Why is it so hip to trash Robotech? Is it because it is so popular? I don't
>
> Good question. People like to trash things that they don't like. With
> Robotech, several of the reasons people don't like it are very evident,
> and quite justifiable, giving them more ammo to trash the show with.
> Personally, I have no problem with people who like Robotech, but I enjoy
> the original shows more (I think the story-line that was used to tie the
> three together was weakly concieved, and poorly executed).
>
> > buy the crap saying that it sucks because its popularity speaks more than that.
> > Outside of the anime community, it is conisdered a classic. I have seen the
> > first 16 episodes of Macross (subs), and I don't find the two to be all that
>
> The first 16 episodes aren't *that* different, but towards the end of the
> Macross series, there were several *large* changes, including the nature
> of Protoculture. IIRC, Robotech really stopped making sense when they
> started trying to explain Protoculture in the Macross arc. In the original
> storyline, it makes a lot more sense, and enjoys a much better execution.

Yes this is true. However I do have a fundamental problem with the big
blue goofs who can be shrunk down to human size that goes back to
Macross. Yamato's nature is almost as silly, but is justified by the
symbolic nature of the ship.

BRoehl102

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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> As for dated? There were discos aboard the
>SDF1, and do not give the lame excuse of it being back in style. I
>
>

Actually, I was more in line thinking of the animation and the HUGE bellbottom
pants in Starbalzers. While Robotech/Macross had bellbottoms, they were not as
huge those seen in Starblazers. Even though Robotech's animation is inferior
to all of today's animation, Starblazers' animation is inferior to Robotech.

>Friend, that is is due to melodramatics. While the characters were more
>developed, it unfortunately was too near soap.

Soap? It is a cartoon. I can't think of one series that has truly developed
characters in a true real world sense (Evangelion is the closest I have seen).
Recommend me one series that has true real world character development, and I
guarantee you that I can find flaws. It is easy for people to overlook the
flaws in what they like; however, when it comes to someone else's taste, they
try to find every flaw imaginable. Why not just enjoy it for what it is, a
cartoon?

Brad

Invid fan

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98
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In article <199804262017...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
broe...@aol.com (BRoehl102) wrote:

> > As for dated? There were discos aboard the
> >SDF1, and do not give the lame excuse of it being back in style. I
> >
> >
>
> Actually, I was more in line thinking of the animation and the HUGE bellbottom
> pants in Starbalzers. While Robotech/Macross had bellbottoms, they were
not as
> huge those seen in Starblazers. Even though Robotech's animation is inferior
> to all of today's animation, Starblazers' animation is inferior to Robotech.
>

The upcoming Babylon 5 tv series, Crusade, that'll begin after the original
show ends it's five year run has a plot much like SB/Yamato. A virus is
released on Earth, and they have 5 years to find a cure. I'd like JMS to
put the entire crew of the Excalibor (the main ship in B5:C) in bellbottoms
^_^

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Enrique Conty

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Apr 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/27/98
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In article <6hq5tk$6a9$1...@eve.enteract.com>,
Enrique Conty <co...@enteract.com> wrote:

>In article <6hoilo$rhi$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <noit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Is Starblazers Superior to Robotech?
>
>Star Blazers was better done than Yamato because:
^^^^^^
Robotech, of course.
Cripes....

noit...@hotmail.com

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In article <199804262017...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
broe...@aol.com (BRoehl102) wrote:
>
> > As for dated? There were discos aboard the
> >SDF1, and do not give the lame excuse of it being back in style. I
> >
> >
>
> Actually, I was more in line thinking of the animation and the HUGE bellbottom
> pants in Starbalzers. While Robotech/Macross had bellbottoms, they were not as
> huge those seen in Starblazers. Even though Robotech's animation is inferior
> to all of today's animation, Starblazers' animation is inferior to Robotech.
>
> >Friend, that is is due to melodramatics. While the characters were more
> >developed, it unfortunately was too near soap.
>
> Soap? It is a cartoon. I can't think of one series that has truly developed
> characters in a true real world sense (Evangelion is the closest I have seen).
> Recommend me one series that has true real world character development, and I
> guarantee you that I can find flaws. It is easy for people to overlook the
> flaws in what they like; however, when it comes to someone else's taste, they
> try to find every flaw imaginable. Why not just enjoy it for what it is, a
> cartoon?

Friend, I do enjoy it as a cartoon, but also enjoy it as an object of
analysis and comparison. One of the flaws to the tale of Robotech is that it
loses the perspective of the big picture. For instance, look at episode 27
where Earth has just been turned desolate, and Lisa is the only one left,
weeping--that is until Rick shows up. Then look at Starblazers, after the
Starforce has essentially destroed Gamilon. Nova is weeping when Derek comes
up to her, and then he laments how awful it is what they have done. Which
one is more powerful? Which one is more moving?

BRoehl102

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>Friend, I do enjoy it as a cartoon, but also enjoy it as an object of
>analysis and comparison. One of the flaws to the tale of Robotech is that it
>loses the perspective of the big picture. For instance, look at episode 27
>where Earth has just been turned desolate, and Lisa is the only one left,
>weeping--that is until Rick shows up. Then look at Starblazers, after the
>Starforce has essentially destroed Gamilon. Nova is weeping when Derek comes
>up to her, and then he laments how awful it is what they have done. Which
>one is more powerful? Which one is more moving?

Actually, Robotech even in the advent of adversity, they still try to be
hopeful. It is very apparant that the end of Macross isn't the end of the big
picture. They didn't have to time to lament and feel sorry for themselves.
There was work to do. The ending was a kind of hybrid between the good and the
bad. An entirely bad ending is always sour, and an entirely good ending can
also feel the same way. I like the way Robotech ended, which is why it lends
itself to repeated viewing.

Brad


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Apr 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/27/98
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On 26 Apr 1998 20:17:11 GMT, broe...@aol.com (BRoehl102) toiled to
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>Soap? It is a cartoon. I can't think of one series that has truly developed
>characters in a true real world sense (Evangelion is the closest I have seen).
>Recommend me one series that has true real world character development, and I
>guarantee you that I can find flaws. It is easy for people to overlook the
>flaws in what they like; however, when it comes to someone else's taste, they
>try to find every flaw imaginable. Why not just enjoy it for what it is, a
>cartoon?

what do you mean by character flaws?
any 'character' by its very nature is not a real person, whether
animated or not.
just because it can't happen in real life does not mean it cannot have
a thematic translation.

gaburu

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Apr 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/28/98
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In article <199804271950...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
>You still have not answered my question, friend. Yea, Robotech is hopeful, but the way Minmei sung all evil away is wishful thinking. The Starforce on the other hand faced death, death, destruction, and despair head on-- and were moved, yet did not lose faith in their beliefs. Instead, the were stronger from it. "Through the fire and the smoke, we will never give up hope." Show me where Robotech issues a stronger statement. One thing I've noticed is followers of Robotech fail to look on the Starblazers side of the ledger. Somone must be willing to.

BRoehl102

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Apr 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/28/98
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>what do you mean by character flaws?
>any 'character' by its very nature is not a real person, whether
>animated or not.
>just because it can't happen in real life does not mean it cannot have
>a thematic translation.
>
>gaburu

It's a funny thing but human beings are utterly predictable. So predictable
that a science is based on that concept, psychology. Character flaws are easy
enough to find, but that wasn't what I was referring to. I was more in line
with plot, physics, etc.

Brad

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Apr 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/29/98
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I think that I could make a pretty good case for Robotech being superior,
even though I disagree. Focusing not on its graphics, but what it is. It
goes into deper interpersonal relationships, majors in drama, and is good at
drawing people in emotionally. Lisa is a truly great depiction of a lonely
career person, and Minmei a wonderful, albeit annoying and angering,
apparition. It is quite a story indeed. I hope one of you who is a rabid
fan of Robotech will respond with a case for Starblazers. Thank you, my
friends.

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May 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/3/98
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In article <6i7qm1$bmk$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1,

noit...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> I think that I could make a pretty good case for Robotech being superior,
> even though I disagree. Focusing not on its graphics, but what it is. It
> goes into deper interpersonal relationships, majors in drama, and is good at
> drawing people in emotionally. Lisa is a truly great depiction of a lonely
> career person, and Minmei a wonderful, albeit annoying and angering,
> apparition. It is quite a story indeed. I hope one of you who is a rabid
> fan of Robotech will respond with a case for Starblazers. Thank you, my
> friends.
>

I have waited and waited for months for a Robotech fan to challenge me and my
assertion, and we would go one on one. No one has laid Robotech and
Starblazers side by side and said, "from this I say Robotech is superior."
No one. They say what what they believe without rationale. Youmay love
something to death, but it does not make it superior. If I seem threatening,
perhaps it is because you have never before bothered. You have never taken
my attacks head on. Are there any conscientious fans out there? Some,
perhaps mostcould not respond to me if wanted, due to not having seen enough
of both, but I speak to those who can-- yet do dot. No more excuses.

Gen Domel

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May 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/12/98
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>> One thing I've noticed is followers of Robotech fail to look on the
Starblazers side of the ledger. Somone must be willing to.<<

No shit! I think StarBlazers/Yamato is the BEST sci-fi anime out there. Sure
the animation isn't quite Akira but it's powerful messages of honor, sense of
duty, and sacrifice are unmatched by any anime of its genre. Yes, I also enjoy
Robotech(have all of what was released of the Perfect Collection). I have
Macross II, Plus, and fansubbs of Macross7 and I love it. However, Compared to
the 3 TV series' of StarBlazers and the 5 Yamato movies... It just doesn't get
to me as StarBlazers. I watch StarBlazers and I feel drawn to it and wish to be
a part of the bridge crew.

General Lysis(Domel Shogun)

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May 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/18/98
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In article <199805120338...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Amen, friend.
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