FAST AND FURIOUS: TOKYO DRIFT...any connection to INITIAL D?
le...@my-deja.com
series, my immediate thought was--ripoff of INITIAL D. I just checked
the film info on IMDB and watched the trailer they linked to. Very odd.
They talk about drifting, but there's no downhill racing in the
trailer, it's all in garages (can you race in a garage?) and on the
streets of Tokyo--which are flat. Last time I checked, drift racing was
done on downhill mountain roads. Hello? So, I wonder what connection
there is, if any, to INITIAL D. I wonder if ID initially inspired the
filmmakers and then when they realized they had to set the thing in
RURAL Japan to make it work, in actual MOUNTAINS, where it would be
harder to populate it with Yakuza and hot babes in thigh-high boots,
they just reconfigured it for Tokyo. Or maybe there's no connection at
all.
One more thing: hardly any Japanese names in the film's cast list. Did
they shoot the whole thing in California? Is this another case of
MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA? (Maybe the Japanese will call it MEMOIRS OF A
GAIJIN?)
Just checking...
SpaceGirl
If you've ever played the computer games, the drifting tracks are often
flat (oil slick!).
This movie looks awful! I'm only mildly interested because some of it
looks like it may be shot on location...? I've only seen the trailers.
Maybe a movie to download rather than go and see. Doesn't look worth a
cinema ticket.
Bobby Clark
<le...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> They talk about drifting, but there's no downhill racing in the
> trailer, it's all in garages (can you race in a garage?) and on the
> streets of Tokyo--which are flat. Last time I checked, drift racing was
> done on downhill mountain roads. Hello?
That's not an accurate statement. Competitive drifting as practiced in
Japan and most of the world takes place on a flat track. Check out a
Japanese magazine called "RevSpeed". In most issues they have results and
tips from competitions in Japan.
> So, I wonder what connection
> there is, if any, to INITIAL D. I wonder if ID initially inspired the
> filmmakers and then when they realized they had to set the thing in
> RURAL Japan to make it work, in actual MOUNTAINS, where it would be
> harder to populate it with Yakuza and hot babes in thigh-high boots,
> they just reconfigured it for Tokyo. Or maybe there's no connection at
> all.
There is no connection at all.
>
> One more thing: hardly any Japanese names in the film's cast list. Did
> they shoot the whole thing in California? Is this another case of
> MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA? (Maybe the Japanese will call it MEMOIRS OF A
> GAIJIN?)
This movie was shot on location in Japan. However it is an Ameircan film so
I would be suprised if there were more than Japanese extras in the cast.
Bobby
runpup
> This movie was shot on location in Japan. However it is an Ameircan film so
> I would be suprised if there were more than Japanese extras in the cast.
Two Japanese actors of some note are in the movie.
Tsumabuki Satoshi has played roles in a number of popular Jdramas.
http://www.jdorama.com/artiste.1366.htm
Kitagawa Keiko, who played the role of Sailor Mars in the Sailor Moon
live action show Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon.
http://www.genvid.com/PGSM/cast/mars-kitagawa.htm
le...@my-deja.com
Thanks for the correction on drifting. (I must confess I didn't check
too hard.) Much appreciated.
le...@my-deja.com
runpup wrote:
>> Kitagawa Keiko, who played the role of Sailor Mars in the Sailor Moon
> live action show Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon.
> http://www.genvid.com/PGSM/cast/mars-kitagawa.htm
Keiko "Sailor Mars" Kitagawa! Ooh, I LIKE her. Thanks for pointing out
the connection. Now I think I want to see this film. ;)
(Now why couldn't they have cast the Sailor Moon girls in MEMOIRS OF A
GEISHA? And let them keep their powers!)
Bobby Clark
<le...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Bobby,
>
> Thanks for the correction on drifting. (I must confess I didn't check
> too hard.) Much appreciated.
Not a problem. You also might try bottom posting. What you did on this one
was to top post. There are several good mags from Japan on what is
currently going on. If you get a chance they are worth picking up. I get
them in Chicago when I go and I now have a sub to Options and Options2 with
my local Japanese grocery store. I found a web site for RevSpeed. It is
http://www.news-pub.com/magazine/details.html?pid=11 . I could not find one
for Options. I will look at a copy when I get home tonight and post a link.
Bobby
IsaacKuo
Justin wrote:
>le...@my-deja.com wrote on [2 Jun 2006 12:24:15 -0700]:
>>(Now why couldn't they have cast the Sailor Moon girls
>>in MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA? And let them keep their powers!)
>Because they think all asians look the same, so why not use chinese?
Or maybe because they wanted to cast some established stars
with established Oscar cred--thanks to Crouching Tiger Hidden
Dragon. Historical dramas like Memoirs of a Geisha pin their
hopes on Oscar nominations and/or star power to generate
interest and revenue.
I refuse to participate in the rampant racism which pervades
Asia. It's so backwards--like Europe from a century ago.
Nowadays, is there anything strange about a British actor
playing a French character, or vice versa? Obviously, there
may be some complaints about poorly executed accents but
it's no longer a racist thing.
There's already few enough juicy Asian roles and few enough
high profile actors/actresses to play those roles in Hollywood.
It's folly to restrict even further by insisting upon ethnic
accuracy.
Isaac Kuo
runpup
.
> They talk about drifting, but there's no downhill racing in the
> trailer, it's all in garages (can you race in a garage?) and on the
> streets of Tokyo--which are flat. Last time I checked, drift racing was
> done on downhill mountain roads. Hello?
"Stunt Drivers Tanner Foust and Rhys Millen, Director Justin Lin, and
Technical Consultant Toshi Hayam discuss drifting's origin and rise in
popularity amongst racers."
Informative film clip about drifting here:
http://tinyurl.com/ljkpp
Juan F. Lara
Justin <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>So, let's just pull some random Asians from a hat and cast them in roles
>they don't look or sound the part in.
I've wondered about this for a long time.
For us inexperienced Westerners, what ARE the differences in facial
features we're supposed to watch out for in order to tell a Chinese person
apart from a Japanese from a Korean from a Mongolian from a Taiwanese from a
Vietnamese from a Laotian from a Cambodian from a Thai....?
- Juan F. Lara
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Juan F. Lara" <lj...@ces.clemson.edu> wrote in message
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> I've wondered about this for a long time.
> For us inexperienced Westerners, what ARE the differences in facial
> features we're supposed to watch out for in order to tell a Chinese person
> apart from a Japanese from a Korean from a Mongolian from a Taiwanese from
a
> Vietnamese from a Laotian from a Cambodian from a Thai....?
It's one of those things you have to learn from direct experience; it can't
be explained or taught.
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Aje RavenStar
Europeans - would be easy to tell where one in a kilt, one in lederhosen,
one with a beret, one in a suit of lights, came from, right? Now picture
the same group in a fairly standarized similar style dress. If you looked
closely, you could probably pick up subtle hints which one was Scot, which
German, which French, and which Spanish, couldn't you? From hair styles,
gestures, expressions, and so on. Works the same way for Asians. (And they
say the same thing Westerners do, they have no problem telling each other
apart, but all gaijin look alike).
I've had a couple of professors in different fields give that explanation in
pretty much the same words. And, it was used as a funny bit in King of the
Hill once. Grandpa Hill, the one who had been captive in Korea (I believe),
after Hank and others had told him the Asian neighbor was Vietnamese, looked
him over and growled, "You're Laotian, aren't you." (and the expression on
same character's face when this old redneck pegged him correctly.....)
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
And do to them the "maiko test" in the beginning of the book? ;)
Laters. =)
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>
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>
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Phyrie
"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <kuraebakayaro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
in message news:Wc2gg.106321$dW3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Juan F. Lara" <lj...@ces.clemson.edu> wrote in message
> news:e5q8q3$ktm$1...@hubcap.clemson.edu...
>> I've wondered about this for a long time.
>> For us inexperienced Westerners, what ARE the differences in facial
>> features we're supposed to watch out for in order to tell a Chinese
>> person
>> apart from a Japanese from a Korean from a Mongolian from a Taiwanese
>> from
> a
>> Vietnamese from a Laotian from a Cambodian from a Thai....?
>
> It's one of those things you have to learn from direct experience; it
> can't
> be explained or taught.
>
bothered when someone would call her Chinese or some other ethnicity. Out
of respect for her, I asked questions and learned a lot of the differences
that remain with me to this day. My husband can't figure out how the hell I
know if someone on TV is Korean or Vietnamese etc... We live in an almost
completely Caucasian community and he's met very few people of different
races in his life.
Phyrie
runpup
> >>> Kitagawa Keiko, who played the role of Sailor Mars in the Sailor Moon
> >> live action show Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon.
> >> http://www.genvid.com/PGSM/cast/mars-kitagawa.htm
> >
> >
> > Keiko "Sailor Mars" Kitagawa! Ooh, I LIKE her. Thanks for pointing out
> > the connection. Now I think I want to see this film. ;)
>
>
Well, IMDB shows her as a named character, Reiko, so I suspect she'll
have some larger role....and I saw her briefly in one of the trailers.
We shall see.
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Phyrie" <phyrie_re...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > It's one of those things you have to learn from direct experience; it
> > can't
> > be explained or taught.
> >
> Very true. My best friend growing up was half Japanese, and she was
> bothered when someone would call her Chinese or some other ethnicity. Out
> of respect for her, I asked questions and learned a lot of the differences
> that remain with me to this day. My husband can't figure out how the hell
I
> know if someone on TV is Korean or Vietnamese etc... We live in an almost
> completely Caucasian community and he's met very few people of different
> races in his life.
Ironically, while I can tell Japanese from Chinese from Vietnamese from
Korean, I have extreme difficulty telling individual members of a given race
apart from *each other*, particularly in heavily homogenised "prettykids" TV
drama casts. Watching sentai shows and Pretty Guardian Sailormoon rapidly
becomes an exercise in frustration sometimes...
(To be fair, this isn't necessarily limited to other races. I can't tell
Manufactured Teenybopper Idol #4 from TV Drama Prettyboy C a lot of
times...so maybe it's less a racial thing and more a social thing...)
Phyrie
>
> "Phyrie" <phyrie_re...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1fba4$44811a17$4072ed86$12...@prcn.org...
>> > It's one of those things you have to learn from direct experience; it
>> > can't
>> > be explained or taught.
>> >
>> Very true. My best friend growing up was half Japanese, and she was
>> bothered when someone would call her Chinese or some other ethnicity.
>> Out
>> of respect for her, I asked questions and learned a lot of the
>> differences
>> that remain with me to this day. My husband can't figure out how the
>> hell
> I
>> know if someone on TV is Korean or Vietnamese etc... We live in an
>> almost
>> completely Caucasian community and he's met very few people of different
>> races in his life.
>
> Ironically, while I can tell Japanese from Chinese from Vietnamese from
> Korean, I have extreme difficulty telling individual members of a given
> race
> apart from *each other*, particularly in heavily homogenised "prettykids"
> TV
> drama casts. Watching sentai shows and Pretty Guardian Sailormoon rapidly
> becomes an exercise in frustration sometimes...
>
Deborah (my friend) and her sisters all looked *very* much alike, as did a
lot of her mother's friends (her mother being the Japanese half of the
marriage). I was always astounded how much the little elderly Japanese
women looked alike, but chalked it up to social, rather than visual i.e.
they behaved very similar to each other. Is this a kind of racism?
OT: I sure wish I had asked Deborah to teach me some Japanese back then. It
sure would come in handy now that I've discovered anime and so many of you
speak and understand Japanese!
Phyrie
David Johnston
Of course I find I can't reliably tell an Italian from a Norwegian.
Phyrie
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Really? My mother and all her relatives are Icelandic and my mother-in-law
is Finn. I can fairly easily tell the difference between them, although
Icelandic people look surprisingly similar to each other. Oh, and just for
your own information, the blonde is Norwegian, the brunette, Italian. ;-D
Phyrie
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Justin" <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> > Ironically, while I can tell Japanese from Chinese from Vietnamese from
> > Korean, I have extreme difficulty telling individual members of a given
race
> > apart from *each other*, particularly in heavily homogenised
"prettykids" TV
> > drama casts. Watching sentai shows and Pretty Guardian Sailormoon
rapidly
> > becomes an exercise in frustration sometimes...
>
> very different from one another.
Again, I have a mental block when it comes to differentiating "prettykids"
from one another, and the casts of all those shows are the Japanese version
of "prettykids".
I'm not saying I can't tell any of them apart at all--just that when there's
no outright distinct visual clue (clothing color, glasses, obvious height
difference), it gets a little hazy.
David Johnston
<phyrie_re...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Of course I find I can't reliably tell an Italian from a Norwegian.
>
>Really? My mother and all her relatives are Icelandic and my mother-in-law
>is Finn. I can fairly easily tell the difference between them, although
>Icelandic people look surprisingly similar to each other. Oh, and just for
>your own information, the blonde is Norwegian, the brunette, Italian. ;-D
Except that I've seen blonde fairskinned Italians.
elsie
>
> "Justin" <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:slrne83gbm...@debian.dns2go.com...
>> > Ironically, while I can tell Japanese from Chinese from Vietnamese from
>> > Korean, I have extreme difficulty telling individual members of a given
> race
>> > apart from *each other*, particularly in heavily homogenised
> "prettykids" TV
>> > drama casts. Watching sentai shows and Pretty Guardian Sailormoon
> rapidly
>> > becomes an exercise in frustration sometimes...
>>
>> Really? The stars of say, PGSM, Dekaranger, Magiranger, etc. all looked
>> very different from one another.
>
> Again, I have a mental block when it comes to differentiating "prettykids"
> from one another, and the casts of all those shows are the Japanese
> version
> of "prettykids".
>
> I'm not saying I can't tell any of them apart at all--just that when
> there's
> no outright distinct visual clue (clothing color, glasses, obvious height
> difference), it gets a little hazy.
>
I can relate because I sometimes have that problem with my students. I
remember names pretty well, but every semester there seems to be a pair of
students that I'm just not sure which one is which. Some semesters it's the
girls; other semesters it's the boys. But there will usually be a couple of
people who are just about the same size with the same color skin and hair
and same hair style, same shape face, just a bit different around the eyes.
laurie
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"elsie" <lcub...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I can relate because I sometimes have that problem with my students. I
> remember names pretty well, but every semester there seems to be a pair of
> students that I'm just not sure which one is which. Some semesters it's
the
> girls; other semesters it's the boys. But there will usually be a couple
of
> people who are just about the same size with the same color skin and hair
> and same hair style, same shape face, just a bit different around the
eyes.
Exactly. And the problem is compounded when it comes to Japanese because of
the Japanese social and cultural attitude of homogeny. If you're NOT
Japanese, and you're introduced, once, to five Japanese girls of the same
age, height, hair style and color, and physical build, odds are against you
being able to call them properly by name and get all five right the second
time you meet them.
Phyrie
>
> "elsie" <lcub...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:nvngg.1024$o4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> I can relate because I sometimes have that problem with my students. I
>> remember names pretty well, but every semester there seems to be a pair
>> of
>> students that I'm just not sure which one is which. Some semesters it's
> the
>> girls; other semesters it's the boys. But there will usually be a couple
> of
>> people who are just about the same size with the same color skin and hair
>> and same hair style, same shape face, just a bit different around the
> eyes.
>
> Exactly. And the problem is compounded when it comes to Japanese because
> of
> the Japanese social and cultural attitude of homogeny. If you're NOT
> Japanese, and you're introduced, once, to five Japanese girls of the same
> age, height, hair style and color, and physical build, odds are against
> you
> being able to call them properly by name and get all five right the second
> time you meet them.
Shit, ELL, if I'm introduced to five people, ALL of them of different sexes,
ages and racial features I'd be lucky to remember two out of five names.
Happens after forty, I think! And maybe the beer, I don't know....
Phyrie
Phyrie
Damn, did I say forty?? I meant thirty, ya, thirty, that's the ticket...
Phyrie
Ethan Hammond
The eyes are actually different and body structure, if you are
around Asians for awhile you start to notice.
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w/ ye I say!
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Can she speak the good Engrish?
Antonio E. Gonzalez
<whine...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Juan F. Lara" <lj...@ces.clemson.edu> wrote in message
>news:e5q8q3$ktm$1...@hubcap.clemson.edu...
>> In article <slrne81920...@debian.dns2go.com>,
>> Justin <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>So, let's just pull some random Asians from a hat and cast them in roles
>>>they don't look or sound the part in.
>>
>> I've wondered about this for a long time.
>> For us inexperienced Westerners, what ARE the differences in facial
>> features we're supposed to watch out for in order to tell a Chinese person
>> apart from a Japanese from a Korean from a Mongolian from a Taiwanese from
>> a
>> Vietnamese from a Laotian from a Cambodian from a Thai....?
>>
>Just a matter of experience and observation. Consider a group of
>Europeans - would be easy to tell where one in a kilt, one in lederhosen,
>one with a beret, one in a suit of lights, came from, right? Now picture
>the same group in a fairly standarized similar style dress. If you looked
>closely, you could probably pick up subtle hints which one was Scot, which
>German, which French, and which Spanish, couldn't you? From hair styles,
>gestures, expressions, and so on. Works the same way for Asians. (And they
>say the same thing Westerners do, they have no problem telling each other
>apart, but all gaijin look alike).
>
I've actually become pretty good at telling Europeans ("white
people") apart just by looks, especially Germans, French, and Slavs
(Russians, Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, etc.). Here's one: can you tell
a Malinese, from a Namibian, from a Kenyan, from an Ethiopian, or are
they all just "black people"?
>I've had a couple of professors in different fields give that explanation in
>pretty much the same words. And, it was used as a funny bit in King of the
>Hill once. Grandpa Hill, the one who had been captive in Korea (I believe),
>after Hank and others had told him the Asian neighbor was Vietnamese, looked
>him over and growled, "You're Laotian, aren't you." (and the expression on
>same character's face when this old redneck pegged him correctly.....)
>
It was Japan, and Cottton wasn't captive, he was in a hospital for
his wounds. We also find out the got . . . "friendly" with the local
nurse who took care of him, in the worst possible way when the Hills
went to Japan!
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Antonio E. Gonzalez
F. Lara) wrote:
Well, Vienamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Thai, and other Southeast
Asians have darker skin than the others, if *that* is any easier; the
rest, as everyone says, is "subtle things" . . .
Aje RavenStar
"Antonio E. Gonzalez" <AntE...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Appreciate the correction, and you're dead on. I used to be able to tell
Kenyans and Ethiopians, there having been some around during my first stab
at college (and a guy from Jordan I had a few friendly tussles with, such as
cafeteria burger eating contests, and got out of trouble when he didn't
quite believe what someone else told him about the library's fire alarm
pull), but it's been awhile since I had reason to. And I know Indonesians,
having roomed with one one semester my second stab at college and hanging
with some of his buddies (but that's easy, they're about the only nation in
that area who wear a fez like cap). I also won admiration from one of the
lady graduate exchange students from there, being the only local she met her
entire time who pronounced her name correctly the first time the written out
thing was shown me.
IsaacKuo
Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>In article <slrne81920...@debian.dns2go.com>,
>>Justin <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>So, let's just pull some random Asians from a hat and cast them in roles
>>>they don't look or sound the part in.
If they're good enough actors to sound the part, and close
enough to look the part, then why not?
>Well, Vienamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Thai, and other Southeast
>Asians have darker skin than the others, if *that* is any easier; the
>rest, as everyone says, is "subtle things" . . .
Even skin color can often be overcome with make-up. If Jenette
Goldstein can play Private Vasquez in Aliens...
Isaac Kuo
Edaine
IsaacKuo wrote:
> >Well, Vienamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Thai, and other Southeast
> >Asians have darker skin than the others, if *that* is any easier; the
> >rest, as everyone says, is "subtle things" . . .
>
> Even skin color can often be overcome with make-up. If Jenette
> Goldstein can play Private Vasquez in Aliens...
JLo's tan came out from a rub-on cream so I guess anyone can
practically turn darker just by checkin out the local drugstore. Also
being from Southeast Asia, yah we really look darker lol
Anyway, after seeing Bowwow on the trailer, my interest on the movie
went down. How does he ever get these kind of movies?
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IsaacKuo
Justin wrote:
>IsaacKuo wrote on [5 Jun 2006 10:00:18 -0700]:
>>>>In article <slrne81920...@debian.dns2go.com>,
>>>>Justin <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>So, let's just pull some random Asians from a hat and cast them in roles
>>>>>they don't look or sound the part in.
>>If they're good enough actors to sound the part, and close
>>enough to look the part, then why not?
>Did those accents even sound Japanese to you?
Are you talking here specifically about Memoirs of a Geisha,
here? I didn't watch that movie.
I thought you were speaking in general terms--not specific
ones--since you were writing about "some random Asians".
The stars chosen for Memoirs of a Geisha obviously
weren't chosen at random. They were chosen for the
reasons I stated previously (essentially, marketing).
Isaac Kuo
Inu-Yasha
>>>> Kitagawa Keiko, who played the role of Sailor Mars in the Sailor Moon
>>> live action show Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon.
>>> http://www.genvid.com/PGSM/cast/mars-kitagawa.htm
>>
>>
>> the connection. Now I think I want to see this film. ;)
>
> Yeah, I bet the 30 seconds of screen time is awesome
>
>> GEISHA? And let them keep their powers!)
>
> Because they think all asians look the same, so why not use chinese?
That's Hollywood for you, where stupidity reins!
Inu-Yasha
Feh!!
Inu-Yasha
"IsaacKuo" <mec...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Justin wrote:
>>le...@my-deja.com wrote on [2 Jun 2006 12:24:15 -0700]:
>
>>>(Now why couldn't they have cast the Sailor Moon girls
>>>in MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA? And let them keep their powers!)
>
>>Because they think all asians look the same, so why not use chinese?
>
> with established Oscar cred--thanks to Crouching Tiger Hidden
> Dragon. Historical dramas like Memoirs of a Geisha pin their
> hopes on Oscar nominations and/or star power to generate
> interest and revenue.
>
> I refuse to participate in the rampant racism which pervades
> Asia. It's so backwards--like Europe from a century ago.
> Nowadays, is there anything strange about a British actor
> playing a French character, or vice versa? Obviously, there
> may be some complaints about poorly executed accents but
> it's no longer a racist thing.
>
> There's already few enough juicy Asian roles and few enough
> high profile actors/actresses to play those roles in Hollywood.
> It's folly to restrict even further by insisting upon ethnic
> accuracy.
>
> Isaac Kuo
>
Yeah, after all, Charlie Chan was played by two different Americans
(Caucasians) IIRC.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!!
I'm all for playing nationalities correctly, and wouldn't call it racist.
Inu-Yasha
said, "a long long time".
Inu-Yasha
Feh!!
Inu-Yasha
>
> "Juan F. Lara" <lj...@ces.clemson.edu> wrote in message
> news:e5q8q3$ktm$1...@hubcap.clemson.edu...
>> For us inexperienced Westerners, what ARE the differences in facial
>> features we're supposed to watch out for in order to tell a Chinese
>> person
>> apart from a Japanese from a Korean from a Mongolian from a Taiwanese
>> from
> a
>> Vietnamese from a Laotian from a Cambodian from a Thai....?
>
> can't
> be explained or taught.
>
>
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Exacta mundo, I am still not always certain, but there are differences
between many of the Asian nationalities, and distinguishing them takes
experience. The languages are a similar thing, I remember when I first was
stationed in the Far East, Chinese, Korean, and Japanese sounded like a lot
of (please excuse the no-racist words) goobledie-gook, but since then, I've
learned to speak and read a little Korean, lived over there for 5 years, and
also having listened to a lot of anime in Japanese and learned a few words
there, I now can listen to the languages and recognize the words being said
even though I don't understand more than as I said a few words.
I think that casting characters in movies should be historically and
nationally correct, and if it is tied to the character, racially as well.
Many examples could be sited, but for just a few, Kunta Kinte (sp) in Roots
would hardly be correct as a Caucasian, now would he, as would Hitler in a
movie about Germany during WWII be appropriately played by an Asian. Can
you imagine Pearl Harbor with Admiral Yamamoto as a Negro??
Inu-Yasha
Feh!!
Inu-Yasha
Not to mention the one speaking Norwegian, and the other speaking Italian.
<grin>
Inu-Yasha
Feh!!
Inu-Yasha
>> >>> Kitagawa Keiko, who played the role of Sailor Mars in the Sailor Moon
>> >> live action show Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon.
>> >> http://www.genvid.com/PGSM/cast/mars-kitagawa.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > Keiko "Sailor Mars" Kitagawa! Ooh, I LIKE her. Thanks for pointing out
>> > the connection. Now I think I want to see this film. ;)
>>
>> Yeah, I bet the 30 seconds of screen time is awesome
>>
> have some larger role....and I saw her briefly in one of the trailers.
> We shall see.
>
series (it's just not my cup of tea), I'd be tring to get some of the live
action shows.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!!
IsaacKuo
Inu-Yasha wrote:
>"IsaacKuo" <mec...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1149280846.7...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>I refuse to participate in the rampant racism which pervades
>>Asia. It's so backwards--like Europe from a century ago.
>>Nowadays, is there anything strange about a British actor
>>playing a French character, or vice versa? Obviously, there
>>may be some complaints about poorly executed accents but
>>it's no longer a racist thing.
>>There's already few enough juicy Asian roles and few enough
>>high profile actors/actresses to play those roles in Hollywood.
>>It's folly to restrict even further by insisting upon ethnic
>>accuracy.
>Yeah, after all, Charlie Chan was played by two different Americans
>(Caucasians) IIRC.
>I'm all for playing nationalities correctly, and wouldn't call it racist.
And yet the example you give is racist. Think about it. What
EXACTLY was wrong with Charlie Chan? The thing that was
wrong about it was that it reflected racist attitudes of the times.
Would it have been any better if Charlie Chan had been played
by a Chinese actor? Or would it have been worse? Look at
the classic TV series "Good Times". It featured a cast of
black people played by black actors. But the writers were white
and they obviously had NEVER been to the "hood" they were
trying to write about. It's just plain painful to watch "Good Times",
in retrospect.
Now, let's look at Memoirs of a Geisha. I haven't seen it,
but I know the author isn't Japanese and by all accounts
I've read his depiction is unsurprisingly inauthentic by
any measure. So I find it very hard to care about the
ethnic accuracy of the actors. It's just a western fantasy
from the start anyway, so what's the big deal?
Isaac Kuo
Abraham Evangelista
wrote:
You don't need 100% comprehension. Just enough to recognize the
language. I'll grant, it's not a universal guarantee of someone's
origin, but unless you've spent extensive amounts of time in different
parts of asia, or interact with a wide variety of asians on a regular
basis, I'd be willing to bet it's a fair sight more accuate a
criterion upon which to base a guess.
For that matter...
I'd be curious to see how the denizens of RAAM score on this quiz!
> I think that casting characters in movies should be historically and
>nationally correct, and if it is tied to the character, racially as well.
>Many examples could be sited, but for just a few, Kunta Kinte (sp) in Roots
>would hardly be correct as a Caucasian, now would he, as would Hitler in a
>movie about Germany during WWII be appropriately played by an Asian. Can
>you imagine Pearl Harbor with Admiral Yamamoto as a Negro??
>
> Inu-Yasha
> Feh!!
>
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Abraham Evangelista
Abraham Evangelista
wrote:
That Sailor Mars photo isn't terribly flattering. (They could have at
least powdered her a little!) OTOH, while I much prefer the picture
on the right, she seems a little pale there. That might just be a
poor choice in color temperature by the photographer.
Nice cheek structure though. So long as she isn't lit too much from
overhead, it's quite fetching.
IsaacKuo
Inu-Yasha wrote:
>I think that casting characters in movies should be historically and
>nationally correct, and if it is tied to the character, racially as well.
>Many examples could be sited, but for just a few, Kunta Kinte (sp) in Roots
>would hardly be correct as a Caucasian, now would he, as would Hitler in a
>movie about Germany during WWII be appropriately played by an Asian. Can
>you imagine Pearl Harbor with Admiral Yamamoto as a Negro??
Come on, the differences we're talking about are much smaller
than that. Hitler being played by an Asian? More like Hitler being
played by a Jew.
Kunta Kinte? Exactly how much do you care about whether the
actor playing Kunta Kinte is from the correct nationality?
Isaac Kuo
David Johnston
Not to mention all the times that Othello has been played by a
sub-saharan African.
Aje RavenStar
"Inu-Yasha" <tjar...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Ro2hg.725$LT2...@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Just be thankful they at least got an Asian. Here's a drastic example of
what happens when Hollywood insists on going with an Oscar level actor
playing a Japanese translator, from 1956 :
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049830/photogallery
Antonio E. Gonzalez
wrote:
>
Living in Southern California, I've had quite a share of exposure
to written Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Thai among
others, not to mention Armenian and Persian. I have trouble with
Vietnamese and Thai, but am getting better telling Japanese and
Chinese; I can *deffinately* tell Korean when I see it!
elsie
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:52:52 GMT, "Inu-Yasha" <tjar...@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <kuraebakayaro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>in message news:Wc2gg.106321$dW3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>> "Juan F. Lara" <lj...@ces.clemson.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:e5q8q3$ktm$1...@hubcap.clemson.edu...
>>>> I've wondered about this for a long time.
>>>> For us inexperienced Westerners, what ARE the differences in
>>>> facial
>>>> features we're supposed to watch out for in order to tell a Chinese
>>>> person
>>>> apart from a Japanese from a Korean from a Mongolian from a Taiwanese
>>>> from
>>> a
>>>> Vietnamese from a Laotian from a Cambodian from a Thai....?
>>>
>>> It's one of those things you have to learn from direct experience; it
>>> can't
>>> be explained or taught.
>>>
>>Exacta mundo, I am still not always certain, but there are differences
>>between many of the Asian nationalities, and distinguishing them takes
>>experience. The languages are a similar thing, I remember when I first
>>was
>>stationed in the Far East, Chinese, Korean, and Japanese sounded like a
>>lot
>>of (please excuse the no-racist words) goobledie-gook, but since then,
>>I've
>>learned to speak and read a little Korean, lived over there for 5 years,
>>and
>>also having listened to a lot of anime in Japanese and learned a few words
>>there, I now can listen to the languages and recognize the words being
>>said
>>even though I don't understand more than as I said a few words.
>>
>
> Living in Southern California, I've had quite a share of exposure
> to written Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Thai among
> others, not to mention Armenian and Persian. I have trouble with
> Vietnamese and Thai, but am getting better telling Japanese and
> Chinese; I can *deffinately* tell Korean when I see it!
>
>
believe I've ever seen Vietnamese or Thai. I can tell the difference between
Korean, Chinese and Japanese, Arabic and Hebrew. I can read French, and that
makes it possible for me to puzzle my way through written Spanish, to an
extent, and Italian to a lesser extent. I'm weakest on the Slavic languages.
I can recognize the language group, but that's about it.
laurie
Antonio E. Gonzalez
wrote:
I thought they all used Cyrillic; I mean, different languages can
share an alphabet, as English, Spanish, and French (among others) show
. . .
It's amazing how, when learning a new language, reading and writing
are so much easier than understanding and speaking . . .
Abraham Evangelista
Learned any Japanese lately? :-)
I'm finding learning Kanji to be orders of difficulty worse than any
of the spanish vocabulary I had to pick up.
Ethan Hammond
news:1149527887.0...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> IsaacKuo wrote:
>> >Well, Vienamese, Laotians, Cambodians, Thai, and other Southeast
>> >Asians have darker skin than the others, if *that* is any easier; the
>> >rest, as everyone says, is "subtle things" . . .
>>
>> Even skin color can often be overcome with make-up. If Jenette
>> Goldstein can play Private Vasquez in Aliens...
>
> JLo's tan came out from a rub-on cream so I guess anyone can
> practically turn darker just by checkin out the local drugstore. Also
> being from Southeast Asia, yah we really look darker lol
>
> Anyway, after seeing Bowwow on the trailer, my interest on the movie
> went down. How does he ever get these kind of movies?
Oh snap I want to see it even more now! Hell, I might go see
it in the theater just to rag on it as is my want, MY WANT!
--
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Ethan Hammond
> IsaacKuo wrote on [5 Jun 2006 10:00:18 -0700]:
>
>> Goldstein can play Private Vasquez in Aliens...
>
And Orson Welles was Unicron.
Ethan Hammond
>
> Inu-Yasha wrote:
>
> Now, let's look at Memoirs of a Geisha. I haven't seen it,
> but I know the author isn't Japanese and by all accounts
> I've read his depiction is unsurprisingly inauthentic by
> any measure. So I find it very hard to care about the
> ethnic accuracy of the actors. It's just a western fantasy
> from the start anyway, so what's the big deal?
What happened was Speilberg put the greatest Japanese
actor of all time in one of his worst movies, a movie where
he parodies himself, who parodies themself, WHO I
ASK YOU! I refer of course to 1941!
Ethan Hammond
news:v31a821nnekj29dfi...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:24:39 -0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
> <AntE...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought they all used Cyrillic; I mean, different languages can
>>share an alphabet, as English, Spanish, and French (among others) show
>
>>are so much easier than understanding and speaking . . .
>
> Learned any Japanese lately? :-)
>
> I'm finding learning Kanji to be orders of difficulty worse than any
> of the spanish vocabulary I had to pick up.
That is because the way Kanji was done is pretty damn horrible,
hey lets make a million characters for all the different kinds of
rice we can have and then lets give them 3 or 4 additional
meanings, hells yeah!
Ethan Hammond
> IsaacKuo wrote on [5 Jun 2006 16:28:29 -0700]:
>
> I dunno, lots of Russians look German enough.
Scottish and Russian is the one I always have trouble
with.
>> Kunta Kinte? Exactly how much do you care about whether the
>> actor playing Kunta Kinte is from the correct nationality?
>
> That's exactly how you get the wrong people playing parts.
He now don't you be dissin on Geordi!
le...@my-deja.com
So I guess FAST AND FURIOUS: TOKYO DRIFT has no connection to INITIAL D
after all?
And, apropos of nothing, the Puffy Ami Yumi song is conspicuously
absent from the English dub of the newest Pokemon movie (being released
here on DVD as LUCARIO AND THE MYSTERY OF MEW).
Ping Kuo
<le...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> When I first heard about this film, the third in the FAST AND FURIOUS
> series, my immediate thought was--ripoff of INITIAL D. I just checked
> the film info on IMDB and watched the trailer they linked to. Very odd.
> They talk about drifting, but there's no downhill racing in the
> trailer, it's all in garages (can you race in a garage?) and on the
> streets of Tokyo--which are flat. Last time I checked, drift racing was
> done on downhill mountain roads. Hello? So, I wonder what connection
> there is, if any, to INITIAL D. I wonder if ID initially inspired the
> filmmakers and then when they realized they had to set the thing in
> RURAL Japan to make it work, in actual MOUNTAINS, where it would be
> harder to populate it with Yakuza and hot babes in thigh-high boots,
> they just reconfigured it for Tokyo. Or maybe there's no connection at
> all.
interview w/ the director,
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2006/06/08/apop.DTL
no, Initial D was not mentioned, but Kung Fu did.
> One more thing: hardly any Japanese names in the film's cast list. Did
> they shoot the whole thing in California? Is this another case of
> MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA? (Maybe the Japanese will call it MEMOIRS OF A
> GAIJIN?)
the article mentions some interesting concepts of the original script
that got changed by the asian director.
anyway, so far, good initial reviews.
Galen Musbach
<removeantispam*pk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
massive snippage
>
>the article mentions some interesting concepts of the original script
>that got changed by the asian director.
>
>anyway, so far, good initial reviews.
And a note that the show has a twist ending.
Haven't seen it yet, so let me guess -- Drift King
isn't the hot driver; the hawt chixor is the hot driver.
-Galen
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
Does she magically transform to reveal her true form too?
Laters. =)
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Kuo <removeantispam*pk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> anyway, so far, good initial reviews.
except from the police, in a semi-related story, local N. CA TV station
run the news about police crack down on street race/sideshow, not one
that is doing it, but just the one w/ illigal modification, in one day
60+ stop, 20+ citations w/ heavy fine, vehicle towed and impounded for
30 days + requirement for return the car to original spec. again, the
movie is not named in the story, but the fact they did this just a week
before the showing and the 30 days impound rule implied they want to
stop people from watching the movie and get out of the theatre to do
donut in the parking lot.
Ethan Hammond
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Hmmm.
> anyway, so far, good initial reviews.
From real, legit, respected reviewers, or kids only,
also include AICN in the kids only section. Because
I think there is no way this movie is good.
runpup
> That Sailor Mars photo isn't terribly flattering. (They could have at
> least powdered her a little!) OTOH, while I much prefer the picture
> on the right, she seems a little pale there. That might just be a
> poor choice in color temperature by the photographer.
>
> Nice cheek structure though. So long as she isn't lit too much from
> overhead, it's quite fetching.
Here's a good photo of her taken at the Fast And The Furious Tokyo
Drift Premiere on 06/04/06 in L.A.
http://iesb.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=21959&g2_navId=xc6aae987
Ethan Hammond
Alas, if only Yumiko Shaku was in it!
Abraham Evangelista
Too much flash! She looks bleached! And the head on shot is not at
all flattering to her nose. On the other hand, kudos to miss Kitagawa
for having the presence to smile.
Ping Kuo
Ethan Hammond <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> "Ping Kuo" <removeantispam*pk...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:090620060359549241%removeantispam*pk...@earthlink.net...
> > In article <1149208340.8...@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > <le...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > anyway, so far, good initial reviews.
> From real, legit, respected reviewers, or kids only,
> also include AICN in the kids only section. Because
> I think there is no way this movie is good.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060615/REVIE
WS/60606006
I guess it is a thumb's up, and according to the article, they also
race down the mountain road once. but Edbert incorrectly attributes it
to Rebel Without a Cause instead of Initial D.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
But it's not Initial D's mantle to take either. ;)
Ethan Hammond
Rebel did so it first though, plus Hollywood does love to copy themselves.