This flake sound familiar to you?
Dave Watson
Anime News Network--who's got a good grip on our resident stalker.
Scroll down a bit to see:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2010-01-22
Even without a name attributed to it, it's obvious who it is. And
what it is.
Watson.
Relic
Maybe there's TWO Gabriel Horns...shudder ^_^.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
And how totally he's pwned. What a maroon. Starky really needs to look
hard at some of those answers -- the ones that show that he lies to
himself in the name of his rage, because there's actually nothing to
rage at except himself.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Starcade
behind my statements.
Mike
Starcade
I'll save you the bother.
And you'll be the first to probably see NEXT WEEK'S Flake of the
Week!!
I fully expected to see that right where it was, and he responded to
it USENET-style (point-by-point, not all at once at the end...).
So, here's next week's FotW for Hey, Answerman, because he's getting
this one too.
-----------------------
I figured exactly as such, and was not disappointed. Not that I'm
proud of said fact, but, given the present state of the anime fandom
and how it continues to like to lie to itself, not surprised in the
least.
But, needless to say, there are a few things I'd like to reply to,
which may win me this week's FotW as well!!
You said:
"A very angry gentleman sent this in regarding my answer to the
question about big conventions last week:"
Not necessarily mad at you, but very angry at the present anime
fandom. Pegged perfectly.
Then you opined:
"(Great! I love it when people introduce themselves by proudly
announcing that they've been banned from everything on the internet
ever! It totally makes me want to read their letter and take them
seriously!)"
What makes you think I didn't believe absolutely that last week's
letter wouldn't end up exactly where it was???
How do you think I would think you would take half of what was said
there seriously (with the intro or not!), in the same manner as if I
were to basically write ESPN about how most of the major sports are
rigged these days. You have a vested interest in continuing, as much
as feasible, the anime status quo. That blew up a long time ago.
I didn't expect you to take me seriously -- you didn't when I was on
ANN, and you certainly won't now.
A slight misinterpretation here:
"(You responded, but you didn't care about it, either. This is also
great! Either you have a keen sense of irony, or you are a living
symbol of self-hatred. Either one works!)"
I didn't care if you put me as FotW, and, as I expected, you did. I
figure I win this week's too! I don't really care if (and, in fact,
hope that it happens) AX/SPJA go up in flames, for many of the reasons
I listed. I just felt that I finally had to respond anyway, figuring
that I would be FotW in any reasoned event in the name and opinion of
an anime fandom who continues to lie to itself.
"(I like how you totally torpedo your own argument, there. "The con
hasn't descended into chaos somehow, which is baffling to me because I
totally think it sucks. Unless I'm wrong. Which I'm not. Even though
the evidence proves otherwise.")"
I've been to the LACC area, repeatedly. It makes Long Beach look
safe, and the only reason I didn't think that the element in Long
Beach was going to torpedo that was that they basically put it in the
"resort area" of Long Beach.
And I do think that's one of the reasons AX has begun to decay. I was
banned from AX when I told them exactly what I thought about them and
their decision-making, realizing that, also, it was not just a bottom-
up operation. The two years since have proven that there are major,
gaping holes in the AX/SPJA system.
"(Until now, I was wondering what was up with the people who would
attend those industry panels who would just sit quietly and applaud
after the companies would simply rattle off a list of their new
licenses. I thought they were robots, or that I was hallucinating. Now
I know it was just a small sample of angry people from the internet.)"
About 20% that, and about 75-79% waiting to see what they were giving
away at the end of (or during (which see the old ADV AX panels) such
panel.
Especially as piracy has taken over anime, the industry panels are an
anachronism. I said, as a result:
"AX, in that regard, is OBSOLETE. There is no meaningful US anime
industry anymore that Crunchyroll hasn't basically overran. If
Funimation's sales are up 10% YoY, then the anime industry has shrunk
an additional 30% or more over the same time span. Buying the DVD
material has become an irrelevancy, and we have a piracy-driven
fanbase to thank for that. AX is no longer AX. I don't want the "orgy
of fandom", and, frankly, you don't want me in same."
To which you replied to that last sentiment:
"And that, I think, is something we can all agree upon."
Then I suggest you get moving on getting me banned from the anime
fandom (and all anime conventions) once and for all. If Crunchyroll
and this anime fandom are the future of anime, I am not in anime's
future.
------------
Mike
Starcade
bring the FBI in on some of this Strike Witches and it's ilk shit too.
I used to turn a bit of a dismissing eye toward those who would come
on here and say that anime is child porn, but I can't do that any
longer with the current moe product.
But fuck me for not wanting to be like all the other good little anime
thiev... err, "fans"...
Mike
Dave Watson
> In fact, better yet:
>
> I'll save you the bother.
>
> And you'll be the first to probably see NEXT WEEK'S Flake of the
> Week!!
>
> I fully expected to see that right where it was, and he responded to
> it USENET-style (point-by-point, not all at once at the end...).
(Blah blah blah snipped.)
So he's not only going to be proven right about Stalker-Boy, but he'll get
the chance to find out just how dull and repetitive Stalker-Boy can be,
too.
Watson.
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
> On 1/22/2010 8:22 PM, Dave Watson wrote:
>> We now have one more person--this one a prominent staff member of
>> Anime News Network--who's got a good grip on our resident stalker.
>> Scroll down a bit to see:
>>
>> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2010-01-22
>>
>> Even without a name attributed to it, it's obvious who it is. And
>> what it is.
>
| I love it when people introduce themselves by proudly announcing that
| they've been banned from everything on the internet ever! It totally
| makes me want to read their letter and take them seriously!
Quoted for great truth. ^_^
cu
59cobalt
--
"My surname is Li and my personal name is Kao, and there is a slight
flaw in my character."
--Li Kao (Barry Hughart: Bridge of Birds)
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
It's Starky, it's pathetic -- but I repeat myself.
bil...@yahoo.com
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>Dave Watson wrote:
>> We now have one more person--this one a prominent staff member of
>> Anime News Network--who's got a good grip on our resident stalker.
>> Scroll down a bit to see:
>>
>> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2010-01-22
>>
>> Even without a name attributed to it, it's obvious who it is. And
>> what it is.
>
> And how totally he's pwned. What a maroon. Starky really needs to look
>hard at some of those answers -- the ones that show that he lies to
>himself in the name of his rage, because there's actually nothing to
>rage at except himself.
Hello Sea Wasp,
I read the Flake of the Week article. I also saw the ANN article
about how AX is having problems. That's why I like multi-track
shows. Shows that are not dedicat to just one thing. After being
with Long Island's I-Con for ten (10) years, I can honestly tell you
that diversity is one of the keys to a successful convention.
Also, having good food, clean bathrooms and nearby hotel space helps
as well, but I believe those are topics for another posting.
Some of my cons tracks are:
Dealer's Room
Art Show w/sales
Guests (Way to many to name here)
Children / Family Friendly / Fun Stuff
Medieval
Rocketry
Astronomy (weather permitting)
Science Fact (We've had Dr. Michio Kaku as a guest)
Science Fiction
Authors
Music / Filk (Marc Gunn)
Book
Comics
Board Gaming (Warhammer 40K and the like)
Console Gaming
And more...............................
As far as the anime is concerned......... I reluctantly, *partially*
agree with Mikey/Starcade. I have Forte Agent installed. I have seen,
and by my own admission, dowloaded Girl's Bravo, Rocket Girls and
AMG. It was all free of charge and virus-free. After downloading
these titles, on top of everything else I've downloaded for free, it's
obvious that money is hemmoraging out of the industry.
Unlike Starcade, I am going simply and openedly admit that I don't
know enough about the industry to be speaking at any real length on
the issue. This is where I'll step aside and allow somebody else to
step up so they may speak in a polite and intelligent manner. Somebody
else other than Starcade please. I can assure everybody that I have
seen the light and therefore would like to hear from somebody else.
Thank you very much for your understanding.
Best Regards,
Bill N.
Dave Watson
> Unlike Starcade, I am going simply and openedly admit that I don't
> know enough about the industry to be speaking at any real length on
> the issue. This is where I'll step aside and allow somebody else to
> step up so they may speak in a polite and intelligent manner. Somebody
> else other than Starcade please. I can assure everybody that I have
> seen the light and therefore would like to hear from somebody else.
Go to Anime News Network's ANNcast podcast series. Check out the
podcasts featuring industry people, most notably Chad Kime from
Pioneer/Geneon. These are people who can (and do) tell you from
experience that, while fansubs don't help, they haven't done as much
harm as just plain bad business practices in the industry on both
sides of the Pacific. I wonder if they'll ever get the head(s) of
Media Blasters to explain how they manage to keep afloat, despite not
having any big titles since (arguably) Rurouni Kenshin.
Watson.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> As far as the anime is concerned......... I reluctantly, *partially*
> agree with Mikey/Starcade. I have Forte Agent installed. I have seen,
> and by my own admission, dowloaded Girl's Bravo, Rocket Girls and
> AMG. It was all free of charge and virus-free. After downloading
> these titles, on top of everything else I've downloaded for free, it's
> obvious that money is hemmoraging out of the industry.
>
No, because either:
1) You wouldn't have bought the titles anyway -- so no money lost.
2) You'll buy the titles despite having DL'd them -- you would have
bought them anyway. No money lost unless you use Starky's math, which
basically says if you SEE it without paying for it, you need to pay for
every time you see it. No one except the RIAA, MPAA, and similar lying
liars who lie use that math, and no one will take anyone who uses that
math seriously.
3) You wouldn't have bought the titles, but will now that you've seen
them. Money gained.
4) You would have bought them, but you don't because you could download
them. Money lost.
One out of four cases which involves loss of money, one that involves
gain, two that don't affect the industry.
There's also realistic expenditure expectations to make, here. If most
of the downloaders are young to mid teens up through early 20s -- which
they are -- expected disposable income is very low. If they download a
thousand shows, only a total moron or Starky (but again, I repeat
myself) would count that as a loss of a thousand sales. These kids could
afford to buy a few shows a year -- maybe, if they're all middle-class
kids with indulgent parent, 10 or 20. So you can't do your math to show
the DOOOOM of the industry based on losses that could NEVER HAVE BEEN
GAINS. It's nonexistent money that's being used to claim huge losses.
Giovanni Wassen
> And Farix, you're a lot closer than you want to be about me wanting to
> bring the FBI in on some of this Strike Witches and it's ilk shit too.
So, how exactly do you know what's the content of Strike Witches?
--
Gio
Captain Nerd
Giovanni Wassen <ext...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Starcade wrote:
>
> > And Farix, you're a lot closer than you want to be about me wanting to
> > bring the FBI in on some of this Strike Witches and it's ilk shit too.
>
> So, how exactly do you know what's the content of Strike Witches?
If it's child pornography, then Starkers has participated in it
by viewing it. If it's not, then Starkers is a lying sack of filth
who's willing to make libelous and slanderous false allegations
in order to harrass and harm people he hates.
Either way, he's scum.
And the FBI really likes to run investigations based on tips from
insane liars. Not.
Cap.
--
Since 1989, recycling old jokes, cliches, and bad puns, one Usenet
post at a time!
Operation: Nerdwatch http://www.nerdwatch.com
Only email with "TO_CAP" somewhere in the subject has a chance of being read
Blade
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:hjfi3i$87k$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
> No, because either:
>
> 1) You wouldn't have bought the titles anyway -- so no money lost.
>
> 2) You'll buy the titles despite having DL'd them -- you would have bought
> them anyway. No money lost unless you use Starky's math, which basically
> says if you SEE it without paying for it, you need to pay for every time
> you see it. No one except the RIAA, MPAA, and similar lying liars who lie
> use that math, and no one will take anyone who uses that math seriously.
>
>
> 3) You wouldn't have bought the titles, but will now that you've seen
> them. Money gained.
>
> 4) You would have bought them, but you don't because you could download
> them. Money lost.
>
> One out of four cases which involves loss of money, one that involves
> gain, two that don't affect the industry.
Which says nothing about how frequent each are, of course. Thereby making
your statement completely meaningless. You have literally just listed
everything people might do, which says absolutely nothing about what, in
practice, they DO do.
> There's also realistic expenditure expectations to make, here. If most of
> the downloaders are young to mid teens up through early 20s -- which they
> are -- expected disposable income is very low. If they download a
You do know that is one of the most coveted advertising markets, right? Yes,
their income is low compared to adults. But here's the thing - so are their
expenses. Teenagers basically have nothing but disposable income
(typically). That is why they buy lots of alcohol and cigarettes, despite
these being expensive items (quite comparable to the cost of anime DVDs, in
fact).
They are a huge possible market. Anything that significantly affects how
often they buy products will dramatically effect the industries heavily
invested in them. That's not even going into how their buying habits as
teenagers can affect their buying habits later, etc.
At this point we go into the usual arguments, so I'll bow out on drawing any
conclusions other than that - I simply wanted to point out that you proved
nothing with your first statement and are just wrong about this one.
-
Blade
Blade
"Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D09D29B98...@188.40.43.245...
> Starcade wrote:
>
>> And Farix, you're a lot closer than you want to be about me wanting to
>> bring the FBI in on some of this Strike Witches and it's ilk shit too.
>
> So, how exactly do you know what's the content of Strike Witches?
Uh, I know about the content of Strike Witches and I've never watched it
either. I also, for instance, know about the content of the Saw series of
movies without having ever watched them.
If you want to argue that an anime about lolis without pants (as described
by its own fans and advertising materials) is not child pornography, there
are distinctly better lines to take than this.
Arguing with Starcade, aside from being a waste of time, should not be an
excuse to make bad arguments.
-
Blade
Giovanni Wassen
>
>
> "Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D09D29B98...@188.40.43.245...
>> Starcade wrote:
>>
>>> And Farix, you're a lot closer than you want to be about me wanting
>>> to bring the FBI in on some of this Strike Witches and it's ilk shit
>>> too.
>>
>> So, how exactly do you know what's the content of Strike Witches?
>
> Uh, I know about the content of Strike Witches and I've never watched
> it either.
I don't.
> If you want to argue that an anime about lolis without pants (as
> described by its own fans and advertising materials) is not child
> pornography, there are distinctly better lines to take than this.
No, I'm not arguing about whether it's child pornography or not, don't care
about that in this case. But Starcade is the one who doesn't watch anime so
it's all hear-say. How will he bring that to the FBI? 'Hey guys, do you
know Strike Witches? I've heard it got animated kids in it who run around
nekkid.'
--
Gio
Starcade
Mike
Starcade
> In article <Xns9D09D29B98EDA4815162...@188.40.43.245>,
> Giovanni Wassen <exta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Starcade wrote:
>
> > > And Farix, you're a lot closer than you want to be about me wanting to
> > > bring the FBI in on some of this Strike Witches and it's ilk shit too.
>
> > So, how exactly do you know what's the content of Strike Witches?
>
> If it's child pornography, then Starkers has participated in it
> by viewing it. If it's not, then Starkers is a lying sack of filth
> who's willing to make libelous and slanderous false allegations
> in order to harrass and harm people he hates.
>
> Either way, he's scum.
Then do something about me. Get me jailed or killed. Because it'll
take one or the other to get rid of this "scum".
Besides, I consider most of you similar anyway.
Mike
Inu-Yasha
There is one case you missed: I download the show that I might have
bought, it's so bad, I definitely won't buy it, some money lost, but if
the product were any good, money wouldn't have been lost, thus industry
marketing error [IMHO].
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Captain Nerd
<4e4a4e79-5b0c-42e5...@b10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Starcade <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Then do something about me. Get me jailed or killed. Because it'll
> take one or the other to get rid of this "scum".
Predictable, to the end.
bil...@yahoo.com
<darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 23, 11:52�am, Captain Nerd <cptn...@nerdwatch.com> wrote:
>> In article <Xns9D09D29B98EDA4815162...@188.40.43.245>,
>> �Giovanni Wassen <exta...@gmail.com> wrote:
<< SNIP >>
>Then do something about me. Get me jailed or killed. Because it'll
>take one or the other to get rid of this "scum".
<< SNIP >>
Dear Mike,
Really?? I'm sorry, I'm simply flabbergaseded by that statement. I
really can't see that. In the final analysis they're just cartoons.
If you turn off your newsreader software, the entire computer or your
TV the issues go away.
As much as I love the anime I watched growing up in the 70's. I just
can't see going to jail or the grave for it. After working steadly
for twenty (20) years, I find myself out of work and back in school. I
just have so many other things to think about. I'm sure everybody here
knows the drill: The payments on the car, putting food on the table,
paying the bills, is the roof leaking?? To wind up behind bars or in
the grave over anime and not have these issues covered for your loved
ones simply doesn't make any sense.
Please don't tell me that everybody in this NG is correct: You're an
asshat and a wackaloon. I allways try to think better of people than
that.
Peace, good health and long life to you,
Bill N, - Long Island, New York
Rob Kelk
<snip>
>Please don't tell me that everybody in this NG is correct: You're an
>asshat and a wackaloon. I allways try to think better of people than
>that.
Bill, this is not the first time that he's said that. I suspect it isn't
even the tenth time he's said that. (I suspect rather than know because
I don't have the patience to read his posts any more.)
Of his posts that I remember reading, his posts for the "New Year's
Challenge" fanfic-writing exercises were reasonable and
well-thought-out, and he was willing to accept constructive criticism
and incorporate that into his later works in the exercises. However, his
posts on every other topic were close-minded, confrontational, and
prejudiced; he refused to acknowledge the existence of virtual mountains
of evidence that contradicted his assumptions, and flat-out accused
people of being criminals without any proof. While it's possible that he
might have changed since I stopped reading his posts, the quote to which
you replied indicates otherwise.
Please do a Google Groups search on his posts over the last few years
and come to your own conclusion.
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&
--
Rob Kelk
Personal address, in ROT-13: eboxryx -ng- tznvy -qbg- pbz
Starcade
> Really?? I'm sorry, I'm simply flabbergaseded by that statement. I
> really can't see that. In the final analysis they're just cartoons.
> If you turn off your newsreader software, the entire computer or your
> TV the issues go away.
You see, that's part of the problem: No they don't.
It's like when I play the MMO I have going as a multi-task right now
-- the asshattery I see there is indicative of the kinds of people
they are.
Same here, and I think much of the present anime fandom (in fact,
essentially all of it) basically desires the death of the sale model
entirely and has been working with Crunchyshit to see it happen. And
I've seen what once was a vibrant and engrossing art form turn, quite
bluntly, into shit.
And yet they tell me I ignore the mountains of evidence? I put one
shot in that toward Mr. Answerman: If you think it's good for
Funimation to be up 10% YoY, remember they now have essentially double
the market share they had pre-Sojitz/Geneon rescues. Do the math.
They won't.
When I started to understand what was going on, I saw a statement from
George Manley on the old Anime on DVD boards, demanding to know if it
would be better for there to be only 5-10 dubbed series a year.
I think the answer is clear: If even that many!!
> As much as I love the anime I watched growing up in the 70's. I just
> can't see going to jail or the grave for it.
I can, for two reasons:
1) I've done it before for something I cared about.
2) It's the only way they will be rid of one they consider a troll. I
read up on a lot of the types of people they consider me as, and
that's the only two ways to get rid of them. Read up on
alt.usenet.kooks sometime, and see the list of "award winners" who are
either dead or imprisoned.
(I guess there's a third: If I ever see one of these jokers at a
show...)
> After working steadly
> for twenty (20) years, I find myself out of work and back in school. I
> just have so many other things to think about. I'm sure everybody here
> knows the drill: The payments on the car, putting food on the table,
> paying the bills, is the roof leaking?? To wind up behind bars or in
> the grave over anime and not have these issues covered for your loved
> ones simply doesn't make any sense.
What loved ones? About the closest thing I have is my roommate, and
she's basically so close to the edge that I fully expect to be finding
another city to live in before the year is out.
> Please don't tell me that everybody in this NG is correct: You're
an
> asshat and a wackaloon. I allways try to think better of people than
> that.
The problem is: That's true, to them, because so many people believe
it.
Mike
sanjian
> bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> As far as the anime is concerned......... I reluctantly, *partially*
>> agree with Mikey/Starcade. I have Forte Agent installed. I have
>> seen, and by my own admission, dowloaded Girl's Bravo, Rocket Girls
>> and AMG. It was all free of charge and virus-free. After
>> downloading these titles, on top of everything else I've downloaded
>> for free, it's obvious that money is hemmoraging out of the industry.
>>
>
> No, because either:
Can we skip the piracy debate? We've been there, done that. Let's just
move on.
sanjian
Unfortunately, we can't seem to convice people just not to argue with Mikey.
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:49:42 -0800 (PST), dorkade wrote:
>> Then do something about me. Get me jailed or killed. Because it'll
>> take one or the other to get rid of this "scum".
> Really?? I'm sorry, I'm simply flabbergaseded by that statement.
It's called "delusion". Look it up.
Antonio E. Gonzalez
wrote:
There's one simple argument: It's animated, thus virtual, thus
not relevant; the Supreme Court ruled on this years ago, and I don't
recall any new laws passed to try to counter the ruling. It's amazing
how quickly people can forget . . .
--
- ReFlex76
bil...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Hello,
That sounds like a great idea! Here are some side issues about
conventions. Let's hear what you think.
1) Free water coolers: If your is at a hotel, the hotel may or may not
have water coolers and cups. This way the attendes are not forced to
plunk down coins for Dasini or Aquafina.
2) The bathrooms are clean and stocked
3) There's good quality food that's not too expensive and some place
to sit comfortably and eat it without being rushed.
4) Good event planning around meal times: The convention staff knows
not to plan something "major" around the time people are thinking more
about food.
5) Shuttle busses: If the con is in a facility that is not a hotel or
does not have an attached hotel, there are shuttle busses available
between the venue and the official hotel of the con.
6) Hotels / lodging is within a "reasonable" distance from the venue.
The shuttle bus or your own private vehicle shouldn't me any more than
a 15 minute drive.
I hope everybody can have fun with this issue. Your funny stories and
horror stories would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Bill N.
Blade
"Antonio E. Gonzalez" <AntE...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:a20pl5ptk53kidujn...@4ax.com...
I'm afraid you're not correct.
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13486.html
-
Blade
Rob Kelk
<snip>
>That sounds like a great idea! Here are some side issues about
>conventions. Let's hear what you think.
>
>1) Free water coolers: If your is at a hotel, the hotel may or may not
>have water coolers and cups. This way the attendes are not forced to
>plunk down coins for Dasini or Aquafina.
Is there a problem with tap water anywhere in North America (outside of
some Canadian first-nations reservations, alas)? I'm used to seeing
pitchers and glasses at the cons around here.
>2) The bathrooms are clean and stocked
>
>3) There's good quality food that's not too expensive and some place
>to sit comfortably and eat it without being rushed.
Horror story: I attended a convention held in the city's business
district. There were plenty of places to eat nearby... but the only one
open on weekends was a coffee shop that also sold sandwiches. If you
weren't there by noon Saturday, you got coffee and nothing else.
<snip>
--
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"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear
of childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis
Farix
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:44:03 -0500, "sanjian"<mill...@airmail.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>> bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as the anime is concerned......... I reluctantly, *partially*
>>>> agree with Mikey/Starcade. I have Forte Agent installed. I have
>>>> seen, and by my own admission, dowloaded Girl's Bravo, Rocket Girls
>>>> and AMG. It was all free of charge and virus-free. After
>>>> downloading these titles, on top of everything else I've downloaded
>>>> for free, it's obvious that money is hemmoraging out of the industry.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, because either:
>>
>> Can we skip the piracy debate? We've been there, done that. Let's just
>> move on.
>
> Hello,
>
> That sounds like a great idea! Here are some side issues about
> conventions. Let's hear what you think.
>
> 1) Free water coolers: If your is at a hotel, the hotel may or may not
> have water coolers and cups. This way the attendes are not forced to
> plunk down coins for Dasini or Aquafina.
I think that the hotel or the convention center will have issues with
this. I know that with convention centers, they have exclusive contracts
with either Coke or Pepsi. And any drinks served on the premises outside
of those contracts is strictly prohibited.
> 2) The bathrooms are clean and stocked
This was an issue for a convention near me in 2008. All the staff could
do was repeatedly ask their venue to clean the bathrooms, but the
venue's staff didn't get around to it until after the convention closed
for the weekend. *sigh* It didn't help matters that the bathrooms were
also a shortcut between the two sides of the conference center.
Otherwise you had to go all the way out to the front lobby and around.
> 3) There's good quality food that's not too expensive and some place
> to sit comfortably and eat it without being rushed.
Heh. Again, venue contracts may prevent this. And if you are being
rushed when you eat, it's because you are already in a hurrying to begin
with. ^_-
> 4) Good event planning around meal times: The convention staff knows
> not to plan something "major" around the time people are thinking more
> about food.
And when are "meal times" for most people? Lunch is a no brainier
(12-1), but dinner is a little more tricky.
> 5) Shuttle busses: If the con is in a facility that is not a hotel or
> does not have an attached hotel, there are shuttle busses available
> between the venue and the official hotel of the con.
This can get expensive, given the price of gas and vehicle rentals. Most
cons don't have that kind of money to throw around. And if they did,
they would rather invest in improving their programming.
> 6) Hotels / lodging is within a "reasonable" distance from the venue.
> The shuttle bus or your own private vehicle shouldn't me any more than
> a 15 minute drive.
Given that most conventions are in hotels, this usually isn't a problem.
And even most convention centers have hotels within easy walking
distance. If there aren't enough hotel rooms near a convention center,
that that is usually a sign of poor city management. I would worry more
about parking space.
> I hope everybody can have fun with this issue. Your funny stories and
> horror stories would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
> Bill N.
Farix
sanjian
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:03:44 -0500, bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> That sounds like a great idea! Here are some side issues about
>> conventions. Let's hear what you think.
>>
>> 1) Free water coolers: If your is at a hotel, the hotel may or may
>> not have water coolers and cups. This way the attendes are not
>> forced to plunk down coins for Dasini or Aquafina.
>
> Is there a problem with tap water anywhere in North America (outside
> of some Canadian first-nations reservations, alas)? I'm used to seeing
> pitchers and glasses at the cons around here.
Most, if not all, municipalities in the US conform with the primary
standards of the Safe Drinking Water Act. These protect against carcinogens
and unsafe levels of other contaminents. However, there are many places
that don't meet the unenforceable secondary standards, which cover
"aesthetic" concerns, such as smell and taste. Phoenix comes to mind, in
this. In short, while the water may not harm you, it doesn't mean I'd want
to drink it, in many locations.
parv
wrote bil...@yahoo.com ...
> Here are some side issues about conventions. Let's hear what you
> think.
>
> 1) Free water coolers: If your is at a hotel, the hotel may or may
> not have water coolers and cups. This way the attendees are not
> forced to plunk down coins for Dasini or Aquafina.
Already addressed elsewhere.
> 2) The bathrooms are clean and stocked
I am going to Kawaii Kon ...
..., after the USA Tax Day, which will be held in a hotel. In hotel
where I have booked my room. So dirty|smelly bathrooms would be
avoidable even if inconvenient.
> 3) There's good quality food that's not too expensive and some
> place to sit comfortably and eat it without being rushed.
I am told "Ala Moana" mall is near the hotel with food, in case hotel
restaurant is not (good|cheap) enough.
> 4) Good event planning around meal times: The convention staff
> knows not to plan something "major" around the time people are
> thinking more about food.
My eating time is not same as yours. I think each attendee need to
take care of it her-/himself. Even then, planning around feeding time
would be noble idea(l).
> 5) Shuttle busses: If the con is in a facility that is not a hotel
> or does not have an attached hotel, there are shuttle busses
> available between the venue and the official hotel of the con.
(See 2.)
> 6) Hotels / lodging is within a "reasonable" distance from the
> venue. The shuttle bus or your own private vehicle shouldn't me any
> more than a 15 minute drive.
(See 5.)
> I hope everybody can have fun with this issue. Your funny stories
> and horror stories would be greatly appreciated.
My stories have yet to be born. If I remember this thread after ~2.5
months, will update.
- parv
--
Galen
wrote:
Handley was charged on the basis of a doujin received from Japan
through the US mail, and his entire collection seized; no child pron
was found, and the judge threw out that charge. The charge of
receiving obscene materials through the mail stood, and Handley
had no real chance of beating it, so he plea bargained, pleading
guilty on the charges that the judge had thrown out in return for
promises of a reduced sentence on the charges he couldn't have
beaten. There was no legal basis for his conviction.
-Galen
Giovanni Wassen
> Handley was charged on the basis of a doujin received from Japan
> through the US mail, and his entire collection seized; no child pron
> was found, and the judge threw out that charge. The charge of
> receiving obscene materials through the mail stood, and Handley
> had no real chance of beating it, so he plea bargained, pleading
> guilty on the charges that the judge had thrown out in return for
> promises of a reduced sentence on the charges he couldn't have
> beaten. There was no legal basis for his conviction.
More info:
<http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-01-25/handley-sentencing-for-
obscene-manga-delayed>
--
Gio
Galen
And once again we see massive libel of Mr Handley ...
let me clarify:
Handley ordered Doujin from Japan,
which the postal inspector opened and found to be obscene.
It has never been established that Handley had knowledge
of their content; to this day, he may never have seen them.
The prosecution has not established that Handley acted with
knowledge or intent; given the lack of similar materials in
his collection, I presume he bought the doujins in ignorance -
a failure of digilance.
For which, he faces 15 years in prison and $250,000.00 fine,
forfeiture of 1200 (legal) DVDs, forbidden to ever buy more,
forfeiture of his computers, permanent registration as a sex
offender, and has been repeatedly jailed for nonsensical reasons -
such as buying a legal DVD from a US retailer, or buying the Gothic
and Lolita Bible (a fashion guide to Victoriana styles).
I consider this to be a clear case of Cruel and Unusual punishment.
It is unjust of the peanut gallery to condemn Mr Handley as
a pervert because the doujin contained obscene material when
he had no way of knowing that.
-Galen
Blade
"Galen" <ga...@nekomimicon.net> wrote in message
news:s4dtl5lmeg271u8tk...@4ax.com...
> And once again we see massive libel of Mr Handley ...
> let me clarify:
> Handley ordered Doujin from Japan,
> which the postal inspector opened and found to be obscene.
> It has never been established that Handley had knowledge
> of their content; to this day, he may never have seen them.
> The prosecution has not established that Handley acted with
> knowledge or intent; given the lack of similar materials in
> his collection, I presume he bought the doujins in ignorance -
> a failure of digilance.
> For which, he faces 15 years in prison and $250,000.00 fine,
> forfeiture of 1200 (legal) DVDs, forbidden to ever buy more,
> forfeiture of his computers, permanent registration as a sex
> offender, and has been repeatedly jailed for nonsensical reasons -
> such as buying a legal DVD from a US retailer, or buying the Gothic
> and Lolita Bible (a fashion guide to Victoriana styles).
> I consider this to be a clear case of Cruel and Unusual punishment.
>
> It is unjust of the peanut gallery to condemn Mr Handley as
> a pervert because the doujin contained obscene material when
> he had no way of knowing that.
I think you're taking the wrong tack here. People are not likely to believe
that he didn't know that he was buying lolicon manga, regardless of whether
the possibility exists. If he could have proven he did not knowingly buy the
material, I rather imagine he would have tried to defend himself in court on
those grounds.
Moreover, making that argument, and arguing the punishment is too harsh,
implies that you're NOT arguing that it is (or should be) legal for him to
view fictional characters doing whatever. Which, admittedly, may not be your
opinion but was what started this arc of conversation in the first place.
-
Blade
Galen
wrote:
In current US law, that defense applies only to sellers of pron -
not buyers.
>
>Moreover, making that argument, and arguing the punishment is too harsh,
>implies that you're NOT arguing that it is (or should be) legal for him to
>view fictional characters doing whatever. Which, admittedly, may not be your
>opinion but was what started this arc of conversation in the first place.
What started this arc is the claim that anime can be child pron -
and it can't. Handley's being convicted doesn't change the fact
that he didn't break the law.
My previous post was a response to the link material and not the
thread material; I will agree it was off-topic here.
As for whether Loli rape doujins should be legal, that isn't actually
my concern in the Handley case - I don't buy them, so such laws
don't personally affect me. Handley being jailed for buying a US
copy of GaoGaiGar because "all anime is child pron" does affect
me, and I want the prosecutor disbarred.
-Galen
Galen
wrote:
My train of thought derailed; let me try again:
>
>As for whether Loli rape doujins should be legal, that isn't actually
>my concern in the Handley case - I don't buy them, so such laws
>don't personally affect me.
In that context, my concern in the Handley case is precisely
that he may not have known what was being shipped to him,
but that his ignorance is irrelevant.
Let us suppose that the Chinese government made a mass
mailing of child-pron postcards to all US mailing addresses:
under existing law and the example set in the Handley case,
the entire US population would then be jailed, convicted,
and sentenced to serve 25 years or more. Does anyone see
a problem with that?
-Galen
Blade
"Galen" <ga...@nekomimicon.net> wrote in message
news:53htl5954jscnils7...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:22:10 +1100, "Blade" <kumo...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Moreover, making that argument, and arguing the punishment is too harsh,
>>implies that you're NOT arguing that it is (or should be) legal for him to
>>view fictional characters doing whatever. Which, admittedly, may not be
>>your
>>opinion but was what started this arc of conversation in the first place.
>
> What started this arc is the claim that anime can be child pron -
> and it can't. Handley's being convicted doesn't change the fact
> that he didn't break the law.
Handley is most likely going to go to jail for possessing "child
pornography". Legal backflips required to get there nonwithstanding, it'd be
naive to think someone isn't going to at least try to turn that precedent
into something more solid. I'd say right now that those with that sort of
interest in the US ought to be worried - which was my point in bringing it
up, though you're quite right to have pointed out the situation is more
complex than it seems at a glance.
-
Blade
sanjian
To follow up on that, the decision is now effectively law. Whether or not
the law comes from the legislature or from the bench is of little PRACTICAL
matter (regardless of one's views on whether this is what ought to be or
not). This is now the law that Americans will be held to and punished by.
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
> "Galen" <ga...@nekomimicon.net> wrote:
>> What started this arc is the claim that anime can be child pron - and
>> it can't. Handley's being convicted doesn't change the fact that he
>> didn't break the law.
>
> Handley is most likely going to go to jail for possessing "child
> pornography". Legal backflips required to get there nonwithstanding,
> it'd be naive to think someone isn't going to at least try to turn
> that precedent into something more solid. I'd say right now that those
> with that sort of interest in the US ought to be worried - which was
> my point in bringing it up, though you're quite right to have pointed
> out the situation is more complex than it seems at a glance.
And I say that the criminalization of fiction (no matter how obscene or
offensive people may think it is) is preposterous. No child, animal or
strawberry shortcake was ever abused in making them, thus no harm done.
To anyone. At all.
B Sellers
committing all sorts of atrocity. So why does the drawn characters
doing the same things become actionable. Both are equally fictitious.
later
bliss
sanjian
> Blade wrote:
>> I think you're taking the wrong tack here. People are not likely to
>> believe that he didn't know that he was buying lolicon manga,
>> regardless of whether the possibility exists. If he could have
>> proven he did not knowingly buy the material, I rather imagine he
>> would have tried to defend himself in court on those grounds.
>>
>> Moreover, making that argument, and arguing the punishment is too
>> harsh, implies that you're NOT arguing that it is (or should be)
>> legal for him to view fictional characters doing whatever. Which,
>> admittedly, may not be your opinion but was what started this arc of
>> conversation in the first place.
>>
>> -
>> Blade
> After all in print it is legal to view in your mind's eye characters
> committing all sorts of atrocity. So why does the drawn characters
> doing the same things become actionable. Both are equally fictitious.
Blade is not arguing that it ought to be illegal, but rather that it IS.
The two are not the same thing.
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
>>> What started this arc is the claim that anime can be child pron -
>>> and it can't. Handley's being convicted doesn't change the fact that
>>> he didn't break the law.
>>
>> Handley is most likely going to go to jail for possessing "child
>> pornography". Legal backflips required to get there nonwithstanding,
>> it'd be naive to think someone isn't going to at least try to turn
>> that precedent into something more solid. I'd say right now that
>> those with that sort of interest in the US ought to be worried -
>> which was my point in bringing it up, though you're quite right to
>> have pointed out the situation is more complex than it seems at a
>> glance.
>
> To follow up on that, the decision is now effectively law. Whether or
> not the law comes from the legislature or from the bench is of little
> PRACTICAL matter (regardless of one's views on whether this is what
> ought to be or not). This is now the law that Americans will be held
> to and punished by.
And here I thought courts existed to uphold the law, not twist it.
Silly me ...
Dave Watson
> And here I thought courts existed to uphold the law, not twist it.
>
> Silly me ...
And the judge said, "This isn't a court of justice, son / This is a court
of law."--Billy Bragg, "Rotting On Remand."
sanjian
> sanjian <mill...@airmail.net> wrote:
>> Blade wrote:
>>> "Galen" <ga...@nekomimicon.net> wrote:
>>>> What started this arc is the claim that anime can be child pron -
>>>> and it can't. Handley's being convicted doesn't change the fact
>>>> that he didn't break the law.
>>>
>>> Handley is most likely going to go to jail for possessing "child
>>> pornography". Legal backflips required to get there nonwithstanding,
>>> it'd be naive to think someone isn't going to at least try to turn
>>> that precedent into something more solid. I'd say right now that
>>> those with that sort of interest in the US ought to be worried -
>>> which was my point in bringing it up, though you're quite right to
>>> have pointed out the situation is more complex than it seems at a
>>> glance.
>>
>> To follow up on that, the decision is now effectively law. Whether
>> or not the law comes from the legislature or from the bench is of
>> little PRACTICAL matter (regardless of one's views on whether this
>> is what ought to be or not). This is now the law that Americans
>> will be held to and punished by.
>
> And here I thought courts existed to uphold the law, not twist it.
Born yesterday, were you?
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
>> And here I thought courts existed to uphold the law, not twist it.
>
> Born yesterday, were you?
Apparently. Or, perhaps I'm just trying to not let my cynic streak get
the better of me.
sanjian
> sanjian <mill...@airmail.net> wrote:
>> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
>>> And here I thought courts existed to uphold the law, not twist it.
>>
>> Born yesterday, were you?
>
> Apparently. Or, perhaps I'm just trying to not let my cynic streak get
> the better of me.
Considering the very large amount of public policy that is made up of
non-statute law, it's not cynical to note that the courts make almost as
much law as the legislatures do. Every aspect of our business lives, and
much of our day-to-day lives are touched, in some way or another, by the
courts.
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
Still, it's one thing when a court makes law where there wasn't any (or
wasn't sufficiently clear/precise). It's something completely different
when a court twists existing law into its opposite.
Galen
This just in, Australia has banned DFC.
No matter how old a woman may be, if she is not at least
a B-cup, images of her breasts will be considered child pron.
My source is 4-chan, so believe it or don't.
-Galen
sanjian
Also seen it in other sources. Just wait until the "handfull girls" raise
all holy hell about discrimination, defamation, and the government promoting
unhealthy body images.
Dave Watson
Jesus, people who collect Asian idol gravure and especially Japanese AV are
going to be up Shit Creek. There are plenty of women in these scenes with
impressive builds, but also plenty who don't have them, despite being
legally adult, whose fans could now be stigmatized by this. Despite my
well-known proclivities, I support the people--men and women alike--who
will be fighting this great big cow-pat of government stupidity.
Watson
Who hopes that it's BS, otherwise it'll be one of the worst things he ever
woke up to find.
sanjian
You prefer cow parts to cow pats, eh?
Galen
Dave Watson
> Dave Watson wrote:
> > Jesus, people who collect Asian idol gravure and especially Japanese
> > AV are going to be up Shit Creek. There are plenty of women in these
> > scenes with impressive builds, but also plenty who don't have them,
> > despite being legally adult, whose fans could now be stigmatized by
> > this. Despite my well-known proclivities, I support the people--men
> > and women alike--who will be fighting this great big cow-pat of
> > government stupidity.
>
Yeah. I eat steak, not you-know-what.
I was thinking that Australia would be an interesting place to move to
to escape the deadshittery currently plaguing my turf. Now they can
shove their nascent fascist state up their arses at full speed, and
break their noses in the process.
Watson.
Dave Watson
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:25:27 -0500, Dave Watson
> >woke up to find.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/28/australian_censors/
Fuck me. Well, I'll be looking forward to watching this pack of
ignoramuses getting roasted over a burning pile of their misguided
propaganda.
Watson.
Farix
The most dreaded phrase in the world, "We are from the government, and
we are here to help/protect you."
Farix
Blade
"Farix" <dhstr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hjsu6a$6ev$1...@news.parasun.com...
> The most dreaded phrase in the world, "We are from the government, and we
> are here to help/protect you."
Well, unless you're in Haiti.
-
Blade
Farix
I believe that even the Haitians would prefer the Red Cross over some
government agency.
Farix
sanjian
I imagine they're willing to accept any help they can get, from any source.
Blade
"Farix" <dhstr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hjt5el$r20$1...@news.parasun.com...
> On 1/28/2010 6:02 PM, Blade wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Farix" <dhstr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hjsu6a$6ev$1...@news.parasun.com...
>>
>>> The most dreaded phrase in the world, "We are from the government, and
>>> we are here to help/protect you."
>>
>> Well, unless you're in Haiti.
>>
> I believe that even the Haitians would prefer the Red Cross over some
> government agency.
I doubt they're in a position to be picky. Nor were, say, the people of
Western Europe after WWII. Or many other examples.
-
Blade
Starcade
> > There's one simple argument: It's animated, thus virtual, thus
> > not relevant; the Supreme Court ruled on this years ago, and I don't
> > recall any new laws passed to try to counter the ruling. It's amazing
> > how quickly people can forget . . .
>
> I'm afraid you're not correct.
>
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-05-20/christopher-handley-p...
>
> http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13486.html
Exactly. I can say with a fair degree of certainty that the only
question separating at least one anime distributor in the States from
answering some very strong questions with the FBI is the question of
exactly what IS child pornography...
I have said for a number of years that authorities might want to know
about what's going on in the anime fandom. I stand behind said
statement.
Mike
Starcade
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:22:10 +1100, "Blade" <kumonr...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Galen" <ga...@nekomimicon.net> wrote in message
> >news:s4dtl5lmeg271u8tk...@4ax.com...
>
> >> And once again we see massive libel of Mr Handley ...
> >> let me clarify:
> >> Handley ordered Doujin from Japan,
> >> which the postal inspector opened and found to be obscene.
> >> It has never been established that Handley had knowledge
> >> of their content; to this day, he may never have seen them.
> >> The prosecution has not established that Handley acted with
> >> knowledge or intent; given the lack of similar materials in
> >> his collection, I presume he bought the doujins in ignorance -
> >> a failure of digilance.
> >> For which, he faces 15 years in prison and $250,000.00 fine,
> >> forfeiture of 1200 (legal) DVDs, forbidden to ever buy more,
> >> forfeiture of his computers, permanent registration as a sex
> >> offender, and has been repeatedly jailed for nonsensical reasons -
> >> such as buying a legal DVD from a US retailer, or buying the Gothic
> >> and Lolita Bible (a fashion guide to Victoriana styles).
> >> I consider this to be a clear case of Cruel and Unusual punishment.
>
> >> It is unjust of the peanut gallery to condemn Mr Handley as
> >> a pervert because the doujin contained obscene material when
>
> >I think you're taking the wrong tack here. People are not likely to believe
> >that he didn't know that he was buying lolicon manga, regardless of whether
> >the possibility exists. If he could have proven he did not knowingly buy the
> >material, I rather imagine he would have tried to defend himself in court on
> >those grounds.
>
> not buyers.
In fact, that's also untrue!
It's also illegal to POSSESS child porn. Distribution makes it a much
more severe crime, but it is a crime to possess said content.
> >Moreover, making that argument, and arguing the punishment is too harsh,
> >implies that you're NOT arguing that it is (or should be) legal for him to
> >view fictional characters doing whatever. Which, admittedly, may not be your
> >opinion but was what started this arc of conversation in the first place.
>
> What started this arc is the claim that anime can be child pron -
> and it can't. Handley's being convicted doesn't change the fact
> that he didn't break the law.
Uncategorical bullshit, but I can see why you would say that, given
how much you have to lie to yourself to be an anime fan these days.
> As for whether Loli rape doujins should be legal, that isn't actually
> my concern in the Handley case - I don't buy them, so such laws
> don't personally affect me. Handley being jailed for buying a US
> copy of GaoGaiGar because "all anime is child pron" does affect
> me, and I want the prosecutor disbarred.
I won't say ALL anime is child porn...
I will say that some quite certainly IS, and that it should be
actionable under US law.
Mike
Starcade
> To follow up on that, the decision is now effectively law. Whether or not
> the law comes from the legislature or from the bench is of little PRACTICAL
> matter (regardless of one's views on whether this is what ought to be or
> not). This is now the law that Americans will be held to and punished by.
It may be time to actually research child porn law in the US and
prepare a complaint against Funimation for "Strike Witches", then.
Mike
bil...@yahoo.com
Mke,
I don't want to seem ungrateful to you for leading me away from
Crunchyroll. However, you have three postings all in a row that are
all beating the same dead horse. <Rest of the group: Please forgive me
for the yelling> NOW, EVEN I'M TELLING YOU TO SHUT UP! STUFF A SOCK
IN IT! GO SIT IN THE CONER, RELAX AND HAVE A COOKIE!
--Bill N.
Inu-Yasha
Witches? I looked a a couple of episodes fan-subbed, and while I admit
they wear short skirts/tops. (obviously to allow them to put on/join
with their leg flyer's), most of the views I was able to make out were
wither swimsuits or gymnastics type attire. I seem to recall that in
the intro and in some of the combat that was shown, some of the
characters might have been showing panties, but I did not see anything
that any stretch of the imagination would be pornographic. Will someone
provide enlightenment? Some of this stuff would seem to me to be stuff
that would only be discovered on viewing the anime (any anime, not just
Strike Witches), and the fact that say a trailer, or even a fan-subbed
or possibly free from the publisher episode graced your computer would
make you guilty. Standards of what is pornographic vary from country to
country, what is unacceptable in the US say may be OK in Japan.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Couldn't Takahashi's Inu-Yasha be considered child porn what with the
age of some of the characters?
Antonio E. Gonzalez
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:44:03 -0500, "sanjian" <mill...@airmail.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>> bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as the anime is concerned......... I reluctantly, *partially*
>>>> agree with Mikey/Starcade. I have Forte Agent installed. I have
>>>> seen, and by my own admission, dowloaded Girl's Bravo, Rocket Girls
>>>> and AMG. It was all free of charge and virus-free. After
>>>> downloading these titles, on top of everything else I've downloaded
>>>> for free, it's obvious that money is hemmoraging out of the industry.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, because either:
>>
>>Can we skip the piracy debate? We've been there, done that. Let's just
>>move on.
>
>Hello,
>
>That sounds like a great idea! Here are some side issues about
>conventions. Let's hear what you think.
>
Well, based on my experiences at Comic-Con and Anime Expo . . .
>1) Free water coolers: If your is at a hotel, the hotel may or may not
>have water coolers and cups. This way the attendes are not forced to
>plunk down coins for Dasini or Aquafina.
>
Yes, hotels (from my experience) tend to over-chlorinate their tap
water; good for bathing and other upkeep, but lousy for drinking.
This shouldn't be a problem though. Convention centers provide
plenty of water fountains, most with excellent water; they're usually
next to restrooms, for shared plumbing. A water bottle to refill is
handy here; I (re)use a 20 oz. bottle of Crystal Geyser, with its
handy pop-top!
>2) The bathrooms are clean and stocked
>
Other than mildly wet floors, I'm yet to see a lousy
bathroom/restroom at a convention center; and I've seen lousy
bathrooms/restrooms!
>3) There's good quality food that's not too expensive and some place
>to sit comfortably and eat it without being rushed.
>
Convetion Centers overprice their food almost as a rule; the
quality is usually decent, but supply/demand leads to killer prices.
I've found my best option to eat a big breakfast before a full day
of activities, then eat sparingly until I return to the hotel. It
helps to know the area around the hotel and convention center (a
simple familiarizing walk helps), and know which places have the best,
cheapest, and/or most convenient dining.
At Comic-Con I have a very nice, hearty breakfast at Cafe 222.
Afterwards, I usually go to the Wendy's up 1st Street for dinner; I
try snacks at SDCC sparingly, though chicken corndogs I pick up at the
Ralphs make the best/cheapest quick meals. I'm aware of a long row of
restaurants in the Gaslamp Quarter up 5th Street, though I've rarely
used them.
Anime Expo had a great breakfast place at the Sheraton during the
Anaheim years; the LA years have led me to The Pantry; the service is
pretty old-school, but in this case that's a good thing! I've been
staying at the Bonaventure, whose first six floors are effectively a
mall, with tons of restaurants, including a Subway. Even without
these, there are eight blocks of restaurants and shops on the way to
LACC to pick a future meal from.
>4) Good event planning around meal times: The convention staff knows
>not to plan something "major" around the time people are thinking more
>about food.
>
I've known people who go the entire length of a convention without
sleep! Conventioneers eat and sleep when they choose to, so that part
rarely figures into programming, as it shouldn't.
>5) Shuttle busses: If the con is in a facility that is not a hotel or
>does not have an attached hotel, there are shuttle busses available
>between the venue and the official hotel of the con.
>
Comic-Con has had excellent shuttle service as long as I've been
going, and Anime Expo did a great job for the last two, with longer
distances to the LACC from the main hotels.
>6) Hotels / lodging is within a "reasonable" distance from the venue.
>The shuttle bus or your own private vehicle shouldn't me any more than
>a 15 minute drive.
>
See above.
>I hope everybody can have fun with this issue. Your funny stories and
>horror stories would be greatly appreciated.
>
Happy to help!
--
- ReFlex76
Antonio E. Gonzalez
wrote:
You're missing the most obvious reason. To quote what Matt
Groening once told me at Comic-Con (and leading to a room with
hundreds of nerds laughing at me): "It's a cartooooon!!!"
They're virtual; as in "not real"; as in "no case."
--
- ReFlex76
Antonio E. Gonzalez
Looks like Starky missed the follow-up where it was explained why
the "child porn" charges were part of a plea bargain. The 2004
Supreme Court ruling stands; "virtual" (as in not real) child porn
doesn't count . . .
Oh, and your little rebuttal might just get you back in the graces
of quite a few of the people here . . .
--
- ReFlex76
Inu-Yasha
While 'I' agree with you it seems that some others who have posted on
the subject indicate that because Handley plead guilty to the child porn
charges, this now becomes law by fiat of the justice system. If in fact
the Supreme Court found those laws unconstitutional by not meeting the
requirements of porn, I would think that the judge in the Handley case
would tell the prosecutor to get a life and a new job as he would not
rule against the Supreme Court. Hear ye hear ye.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Starcade
> >Couldn't Takahashi's Inu-Yasha be considered child porn what with the
> >age of some of the characters?
>
> You're missing the most obvious reason. To quote what Matt
> Groening once told me at Comic-Con (and leading to a room with
> hundreds of nerds laughing at me): "It's a cartooooon!!!"
>
> They're virtual; as in "not real"; as in "no case."
It's already been repeatedly demonstrated that that's not necessary
anymore.
Mike
Dave Watson
pwnage? This time, you have to go past the big hunk of blahblahpootblah to
get to the payoff.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2010-01-29
Watson
Whose Trigun plush dice weren't enough to get him in Hey, Answerfans! this
week. So it goes sometimes.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Getting back on subject, guess who's come back for a few more pounds of
> pwnage? This time, you have to go past the big hunk of blahblahpootblah to
> get to the payoff.
>
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2010-01-29
>
It's hard to imagine Starky can write that kind of pompous crap and not
realize how stupid it makes him look. I mean, it takes SOME level of
intelligence to type semi-coherent sentences, yet only an idiot would be
writing what he does, if idiots could write.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Antonio E. Gonzalez
wrote:
Yup, the "child porn" was a lesser charge, so he agreed to plead
guilty to get a lower sentence; IIRC, 90% oif cases, both civil and
criminal, are decided out of court, since few people like to go
through long, expensive cases . . .
The whole point of anti-child porn laws is that real children are
used in the making, thus real kids are subjected to it; if they're
virtual, then they're not real, thus no issue . . .
--
- ReFlex76
Starcade
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> Dave Watson wrote:
> > Getting back on subject, guess who's come back for a few more pounds of
> > pwnage? This time, you have to go past the big hunk of blahblahpootblah to
> > get to the payoff.
>
> >http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2010-01-29
>
> It's hard to imagine Starky can write that kind of pompous crap and not
> realize how stupid it makes him look. I mean, it takes SOME level of
> intelligence to type semi-coherent sentences, yet only an idiot would be
> writing what he does, if idiots could write.
I guess that would be true, if we defined "idiot" as "one who didn't
suck the dick of everyone else in the fandom".
Of course, that IS how a fandom determines who they believe is an
idiot.
Let's just say: Next week will be 3 for 3.
Mike
PS: I suggest you start notifying Funimation and the like to get me
banned from cons.
Starcade
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:22:54 -0500, Inu-Yasha <tjard...@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
Do you fuckers even know what you are saying here!!!
The "child porn" was the lesser charge, and yet you still don't want
to understand what's going on here??
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
> The whole point of anti-child porn laws is that real children are
> used in the making, thus real kids are subjected to it; if they're
> virtual, then they're not real, thus no issue . . .
Not just that. Perhaps if it weren't so acceptable to exploit young
people in this society, and especially in Japan...
Mike
Galen
<darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> It is unjust of the peanut gallery to condemn Mr Handley as
>> >> a pervert because the doujin contained obscene material when
>> >> he had no way of knowing that.
>>
>> >I think you're taking the wrong tack here. People are not likely to believe
>> >that he didn't know that he was buying lolicon manga, regardless of whether
>> >the possibility exists. If he could have proven he did not knowingly buy the
>> >material, I rather imagine he would have tried to defend himself in court on
>> >those grounds.
>>
>> In current US law, that defense applies only to sellers of pron -
>> not buyers.
>
>In fact, that's also untrue!
>
>It's also illegal to POSSESS child porn. Distribution makes it a much
>more severe crime, but it is a crime to possess said content.
Child Pron has no bearing on the case,
since that charge was thrown out.
Private possession of obscenity has been explicitly
allowed by the SCOTUS as a protected freedom.
Neither is relevant to the claim to that you proclaim as untrue,
which is that, if a person is charged with selling obscene materials,
then the prosecution has to establish that the seller knew or
reasonably should have known that the materials were obscene,
but that the buyer has no such defense.
On an unrelated matter, I have to wonder if Handley is Asian-American;
his not being Caucasian would explain the malice in this prosecution.
-Galen
bil...@yahoo.com
<darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 29, 8:45�pm, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
><seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
<< SNIP >>
>> � � � � It's hard to imagine Starky can write that kind of pompous crap and not
>> realize how stupid it makes him look. I mean, it takes SOME level of
>> intelligence to type semi-coherent sentences, yet only an idiot would be
>> writing what he does, if idiots could write.
>
>I guess that would be true, if we defined "idiot" as "one who didn't
>suck the dick of everyone else in the fandom".
>
>Of course, that IS how a fandom determines who they believe is an
>idiot.
>
>Let's just say: Next week will be 3 for 3.
>
>Mike
>
>PS: I suggest you start notifying Funimation and the like to get me
>banned from cons.
I'm sorry. I must admit that I'm completely baffeled by this. If
Mikey / Starcade auctually wants nothing more to be banned from cons,
then why does he consider himself an anime fan in the first place??
With the expense of transportation, lodging, food and the admission to
the con, he auctually goes to cons to misbehave and get himself
banned?? I just can't see it. Has he ever posted a listing of the
anime that he auctually watched and enjoys??
I also appologize to everybody: I realize now that Mikey has said in
passed writings (rants?) that he has gone to cons and wound up with
people wanting to grind him down in to blood-red dog food. It's just
starting to sink in now: He's proud of that and enjoys it?? And
auctually spend money to get to the cons to do it?? Somethings just
flat-out wrong with that poor boy. And that breaks my heart (what
little bit I have to be broken).
The reason why I originally wanted to give Mikey the benefit of the
doubt is because I noticed that the links that were posted about his
alleged stalking of Debbie Gibson didn't exactly (to me) pass the
smell test. One of the three links, the name in the article didn't
match the other two. The same link also led to a virus, so I don't
consider it all that credible.
From I-Con being at Stony Brook, a major university in the SUNY
system, I have seen how quickly, reasonable, college-age students
can turn ugly when you threaten to take away the free entertainment
that they can download or stream over the web. Wth how bad the
economy has been, there are not alot of jobs for the students. Because
of this, they're living on an allowance provided to them by their
parents. This means they're almost allways broke. They don't have the
money to blow on purchasing DVD's and Blu-Ray discs. If access to
the university's high-speed internet is included in their tuition, why
not use it to the maximum advantage??
As somebody who's Learning Disabled, I though that I'd be able to use
my understanding of the defective logic that I see in myself and
other LD people to understand Mikey / Stracade. However, it was not
to be. He has me completely baffeled. 99 times out of 100 I try to
do everything in my power to avoid thinking negatively of people.
Although I have no medical training, I can not help but feel that
there is some element of Mental Illness at work here. I want to
assure Mike / Starcade that I'm really, really very sorry for that
statement, I'm simply at a loss and don't know what else to say.
Mike, have you ever posted any articles of how you think the anime
industry should be run?? This was the logic for my asking if you had
ever written a manifesto. If you did, it's kind of obvious that I
missed them. I'm back in school after being steadily employed for 20
years. So the anime is all the way at the bottom of my priority list.
I admit I don't know enough about the industry to speak at any length
about the subject. However, I do know a little bit about the
technical mussing and would like to just talk a bit about that. As
I'e said in passed writings signal encryption is not the answer. It's
auctually quite sad to see that the pirates auctually have the upper
hand here. For every one (1) person working to create encryption
ther's five (5) people working to break it. The encryption for DVD and
Blu-Ray is blown wide opened. This makes going from disc to video file
a snap. The uber-smart people from Icon that work at Brookhaven
Nation Labs told me that they're pretty sure that the next generation
after Blu-Ray is going to be a holographic disc. Although they didn't
say it, I'm hoping the encryption will be at least 2048 bit. 1024 bit
encryption would be a joke. I suspect that at 1024 bit, holographic
disc encryption would be busted three days after the first disc hit
the shelves at Wal-mart.
Thank you very all very much for your time effort and consideration in
this matter. I appologize in advance for any flames and spam that
this thread may inadvertantly create.
Regards,
Bill N.
sanjian
...
Ok, I'll admit that I've only been half-assed following this conversation,
but that kind of stopped me in my tracks.
Child porn is the lesser of charges? What the hell was the MAJOR charge,
that someone would choose to be marked as a sex offender for the rest of
their lives?
Blade
"Galen" <ga...@nekomimicon.net> wrote in message
news:lg78m5hpiqi0ugls0...@4ax.com...
> Child Pron has no bearing on the case,
> since that charge was thrown out.
Then pled guilty to. And now will be going to jail for.
The charge the guy will be sentenced under most certainly has a bearing on
this case. And may well bear on other cases in the future.
(to say nothing of the fact that it was also classified as illegal to
receive the material in the mail, meaning it's not really that safe - what
if that prohibition is extended to downloading?)
> Private possession of obscenity has been explicitly
> allowed by the SCOTUS as a protected freedom.
Unless, of course, it is classified as illegal material.
> Neither is relevant to the claim to that you proclaim as untrue,
> which is that, if a person is charged with selling obscene materials,
> then the prosecution has to establish that the seller knew or
> reasonably should have known that the materials were obscene,
> but that the buyer has no such defense.
>
> On an unrelated matter, I have to wonder if Handley is Asian-American;
> his not being Caucasian would explain the malice in this prosecution.
Dude, WTF? Although the US system of justice is hardly perfect, do you have
the slightest iota of evidence to jump in suggesting a conspiracy of racism?
-
Blade
Inu-Yasha
for possessing anime that showed something (I don't happen to know what)
that was on the forbidden list. He also was charged with ordering and
possessing Doujin from Japan (anime or manga, I don't know which) which
supposedly is some kind of chargeable offense. Handley's attorney(s)
apparently advised him to plead guilty to the child porn offense (which
was not rally and offense, and was thrown out by the judge), because the
prosecution offered a plea bargain on the remaining charge for a guilty
plea on the thrown out charges. Now does any of this make sense? The
'child porn' charge was not really child porn, being only cartoon
representations of the real thing, so evidently it really was not 'child
porn' which is a term that automatically brings to mine the abuse and
mistreatment of really children. Anyone please feel free to correct me
on any wrong thinking I have done.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Galen
wrote:
>
>> On an unrelated matter, I have to wonder if Handley is Asian-American;
>> his not being Caucasian would explain the malice in this prosecution.
>
>Dude, WTF? Although the US system of justice is hardly perfect, do you have
>the slightest iota of evidence to jump in suggesting a conspiracy of racism?
>
None.
-Galen
Starcade
> I'm sorry. I must admit that I'm completely baffeled by this. If
> Mikey / Starcade auctually wants nothing more to be banned from cons,
> then why does he consider himself an anime fan in the first place??
It's not just that, Bill...
If I'm going to be divorced from the anime fandom, I want that divorce
to be violent and final, with the force of law behind it, if
necessary.
I felt I used to be an anime fan, and, if the fandom really wanted to
be fans of anime, then I could call myself an anime fan.
The problem is: That's no longer the case.
To be an anime fan in 2010, you basically have to be a down-right
thief who has no regard for the continuance of the present industry.
In fact, if you follow the CrunchyRoll mantra, your goal is it's
outright destruction, because the product is too expensive (as you
state below) to allow to be followed, and the fans (as usual) want to
dictate to the rest of us what anime is made and released (in Japan or
over here).
> With the expense of transportation, lodging, food and the admission to
> the con, he auctually goes to cons to misbehave and get himself
> banned?? I just can't see it.
Realistically speaking, all it would really take is a major
confrontation to set it off. It's been that way for almost three
years now.
You (and I speak in terms of collective “you”) don't want me in the
present anime fandom. Not only as a matter that I think there are
more than a few people who believe I am stalking every semi-attractive
female voice actress out there today, but that I don't think you want
me involved with the “social aspect” of conventions.
It's like about two years before the arrest, there was a fan club
convention, officially run by the Gibsons. I was, basically, already
at “world war” with the fandom even then, and basically had to concede
that, had I shown up, a violent incident would have occurred. That's
not speculation.
I finally had to tell the Gibsons, with great regret, that I could not
ensure the safety of anyone at the show, and had to bow out.
Largely, if not for the fact that anime conventions offer some of the
few opportunities I get to take several days and give my roommate some
badly needed peace and quiet, I wouldn't go at all. Up til about the
same three years ago, I used to attend any number of conventions (I
think my top was about ten or twelve!). Now, I'm lucky to attend any
more than maybe three or four, and really shouldn't be allowed at any
of them, for more than one reason or another.
> Has he ever posted a listing of the anime that he auctually watched and enjoys??
I thought I had, at one point, but that's kind of the point where I
really get angry at the fandom.
I mean, when I got into anime, and, until about three or four years
ago, I saw quite a few anime which appeared to draw my interest:
Kaleido Star (both seasons)
Fruits Basket
Excel Saga
Azumanga Daioh
Full Metal Panic: Fumoffu
Adventures of the Mini-Goddesses
His and Her Circumstances
and a number of others of similar ilk.
The problem is, I began noticing some very disturbing things about 3-4
years ago:
First, the quality of anime was quickly disintegrating. I used to be
able to literally go to the 7-11 at the corner of Katella and Harbor,
pick up some supplies, head back to AX in Anaheim, park myself in one
of the screening rooms, and basically tell the rest of the world to,
bluntly, fuck off. One could literally immerse themselves in quality
anime for hours on end.
Then, I pull out the schedule for (I think it was) the 2006 AX (the
one before I went off on the SPJA), and, it's like “Why am I even
attending this show? The screening rooms suck, the panels are just
not 'there', and etc.” Laura Bailey literally personally saved this
convention for me, otherwise (and the opportunity presented itself),
I'd have given that sick freak Man-Faye a punch in the mouth (which he
so badly deserves).
2007 was even worse, so much so that I didn't even register for the
show until the week of the show. Between that and incidents at Fanime
2007 (one of which, the only reason I didn't get arrested for putting
chairs through the window of the McEnery Convention Center in San Jose
was that I was expected to be the shoulder for a friend of mine to cry
on, if needed, about 2-3 weeks later), I began to see the anime fandom
quite differently.
You won't see anime of the quality I've listed anymore. The money and
the manpower are no longer there. When I really got my eyes opened to
the fansub problem (the fansub situation IS the present anime fandom,
and has been for quite a while), it was basically a statement by a Mr.
Manley (George?), in the voice-acting industry, who basically asked
with great frustration whether the fandom wanted there to be only 5
(or so) relevant series a year...
The answer has come back loudly and clearly! And it's a big fat
middle finger to what would've been a billion-dollar industry by now
if the fandom hadn't made it basically their sole mission to destroy
it. The US anime DVD industry was about $550 million a half-decade or
so ago. Now, you'll be lucky if it's a third of that. (In fact, by
the latest figures I've been able to glean, you might get to $150M,
but not much more.)
When anime was vibrant in this country, you had a half-dozen viable
companies who were putting out quality product. The thing is, much of
the money being paid out to license this material was a life-blood to
the original creators and their studios in Japan. That's gone now.
It's gone because Gen Fukunaga has succeeded in his strategy of a
total takeover of all the non-Shonen Jump anime industry in the US.
He now has first refusal on any Japanese title out there, and, hence,
can set his price to license it. Any studio reliant on more money
will no longer be able to function, and that's why even studios like
Gonzo have basically gone to shut-down mode.
It's gone because it is no longer relevant to actually buy the
material. In fact, it basically is a hindrance, not only to the
individual fan (because, usually, the entire series will be made
available for free (legally!) in a very short time after the release
anyway), but to the fandom as a whole (which has made their goals of
“advancement” of the product very evident).
Not that, since Ouran High School Host Club, there's been one series
made available in the USA which I have had any real desire to see,
much less buy. And the future isn't promising either. I'm not a
Narutard, I'm not a Pokekid, I'm not a pedophile, I'm not a mecha
freak, I'm not a fan of the FMA storyline.
I believe the “digital revolution” has absolutely destroyed anime as a
viable art form, because, in the name of what would be considered good
business by the fandom, they have essentially bankrupted, financially
and creatively, anime.
And I want retribution for that.
> I also appologize to everybody: I realize now that Mikey has said in
> passed writings (rants?) that he has gone to cons and wound up with
> people wanting to grind him down in to blood-red dog food.
My very presence and being able to breathe does that. It doesn't
matter if I walk out of my apartment. That's always true.
> It's just starting to sink in now: He's proud of that and enjoys it??
I've, more, accepted it. And, if it's going to be true anyway, then
accept it and go from there.
I can understand anyone who would want to say: “To get respect, you
have to respect.” Thing is, I wouldn't get respect in any way, shape,
or form anyway. The more I live and the more I see, the more it
becomes evident that there is no place (short of jail, frankly!) in
which I could gain any degree of acceptance or welcome in this world.
> And actually spend money to get to the cons to do it??
As little as possible, and that's one of the issues which often comes
into play. You don't want people sleeping around the con area?
Require them to declare housing as a condition of attendance/
registration.
> The reason why I originally wanted to give Mikey the benefit of the
> doubt is because I noticed that the links that were posted about his
> alleged stalking of Debbie Gibson didn't exactly (to me) pass the
> smell test. One of the three links, the name in the article didn't
> match the other two. The same link also led to a virus, so I don't
> consider it all that credible.
You're from New York. It made all the papers.
Thing is, and I reiterate this to you not to be angry at you (per se),
but to make the point: Since they figured I was going to “Mark David
Chapman” Gibson (kill her) – and that is what the judge said I went
there to do – who are you (again, collective) to believe you're going
to get any better?
I really appreciate people telling me what I am going to do. I can
get in enough trouble for what I will do, thank you very little.
I just got another shithead on my blog claiming he's going to expose
me. Unless it's to the FBI or the Dept. of Homeland Security, all I
will say (and have said) is the same thing: Fuck with me at your very
real peril.
> From I-Con being at Stony Brook, a major university in the SUNY
> system, I have seen how quickly, reasonable, college-age students
> can turn ugly when you threaten to take away the free entertainment
> that they can download or stream over the web. Wth how bad the
> economy has been, there are not alot of jobs for the students. Because
> of this, they're living on an allowance provided to them by their
> parents. This means they're almost allways broke. They don't have the
> money to blow on purchasing DVD's and Blu-Ray discs. If access to
> the university's high-speed internet is included in their tuition, why
> not use it to the maximum advantage??
And this is why entertainment as we have known it is dead.
It's the maximum advantage to only one side, and at the very real cost
of billions to the entertainment industry.
The one thing, and the only one thing, that I can say that Sea Wasp
might have a point on is essentially admitting, whether it wants to or
not, that the entire anime industry (in SW calling it a “buggy-whip”
situation) is a dead and obsolete anachronism.
(As is much of the rest of the entertainment sphere – word is, now,
that there is very real plausible belief that the broadcast television
networks are about to become a thing of the past.)
Why? Because of just that insistence – for free entertainment. You
can't compete with free.
I'll say it again: You can't compete with free.
One of the few people who I will give the time of day to at a con
anymore is a person who used to run several anime events in the Bay
Area before he was marginalized by the “Let's Make Japantown into a
Money Operation” motif.
He basically has told me that one of the biggest concerns of
convention operators here is that the “fans” come in and basically
“steal the convention”. They don't even pay to attend the event!
The fact that these people are always broke has been used as an excuse
for far too long – if you're too broke to pay for the fandom (or too
arrogant to believe you should), you're too broke to be in the
fandom! Otherwise, there will be nothing to be a fan of. Anime costs
tens of thousands of dollars an episode to create, and an additional
similar amount to bring over to the USA.
> As somebody who's Learning Disabled, I though that I'd be able to use
> my understanding of the defective logic that I see in myself and
> other LD people to understand Mikey / Stracade. However, it was not
> to be. He has me completely baffeled. 99 times out of 100 I try to
> do everything in my power to avoid thinking negatively of people.
There are days I think you are trolling me to extent – but the real
comment I make to this is that I would say that that last statement is
rather delusional. To not think negatively of what we have become as
people is to deny what we have become as a supposedly "civilized"
society.
> Mike, have you ever posted any articles of how you think the anime
> industry should be run?? This was the logic for my asking if you had
> ever written a manifesto. If you did, it's kind of obvious that I
> missed them. I'm back in school after being steadily employed for 20
> years. So the anime is all the way at the bottom of my priority list.
I've basically said it repeatedly on the newsgroup. Enforce existing
copyright laws and expel from the fandom anyone who does not comply.
The number of shows will eventually rebalance once the number of fans
is reduced to an economically feasible level. I've heard many times
that there are too many shows. The number of shows was commensurate
with the growing fandom, but the growing fandom only existed to steal
free product.
(Oh, and to you guys who think you're brave: Buying one does not mean
you can steal twenty...)
The cons are too big, and the fandom is far too big. This would be
different if the fandom actually paid for the product, and didn't
reduce most of the guests to begging, not unlike street people, for
people to buy the product!
The only real other solution which could keep the spigot somewhat on
would be to stop the licensure of anime properties to studios
entirely, instead having the top companies being the arbiters of what
gets made, licensed, and released – and SOLELY as movers of toy
product.
> I admit I don't know enough about the industry to speak at any length
> about the subject. However, I do know a little bit about the
> technical mussing and would like to just talk a bit about that. As
> I'e said in passed writings signal encryption is not the answer. It's
> auctually quite sad to see that the pirates auctually have the upper
> hand here.
It would be smarter, bluntly, for the industry to admit that, short of
raiding the pirates and “sinking them”, that they've already been
sunk. The life of the anime industry (as the life of many American
businesses) only exists because of the denial that they've been
basically robbed blind.
> For every one (1) person working to create encryption
> ther's five (5) people working to break it. The encryption for DVD and
> Blu-Ray is blown wide opened. This makes going from disc to video file
> a snap. The uber-smart people from Icon that work at Brookhaven
> Nation Labs told me that they're pretty sure that the next generation
> after Blu-Ray is going to be a holographic disc. Although they didn't
> say it, I'm hoping the encryption will be at least 2048 bit. 1024 bit
> encryption would be a joke. I suspect that at 1024 bit, holographic
> disc encryption would be busted three days after the first disc hit
> the shelves at Wal-mart.
I'd say beta-phase myself. Long before the first disc hits – no one
will know it until it's far too late.
Mike
Dave Watson
"I'm tough! I'm tough!! Really, I am!!!"
Silly cunt.
Watson.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> (Over 300 lines snipped, which basically boils down to:)
>
> "I'm tough! I'm tough!! Really, I am!!!"
No, it was worse than that. If you read it, it was a clear shout of
"I'm PATHETIC and DELUSIONAL! REALLY I AM!"
I mean, he says that he wants his "divorce" from anime fandom to be
official and legal.
He's taking being a fan of (something) as being EQUIVALENT to marriage.
Here he shows his Stalkery nature. A stalker sees someone on screen
that they don't know, have no actual connection with, and fantasizes
until the fantasy becomes their reality. They really DO think that the
object of their fantasy DOES know them, that those glances where the
eyes meet through the TV are really the fantasy object looking at THEM
(instead of, as is the case, the camera, and thus looking straight and
intimately into the eyes of twenty million people), that they are
uniquely in tune when in fact the object of their fantasy doesn't know
them, nor care, and would be creeped out by the knowledge of the obsession.
Starky is taking the same approach to anime fandom. He thinks it MEANS
SOMETHING.
It doesn't, of course. Being a fan means you like whatever it is. If
you stop liking it, you're no longer a fan. It's not something that is,
or deserves, the intensity of emotion of a real human relationship. This
is of course a mistake many fans of different things make; while the
classic Fan Gone Obsessive is depicted as a Trekkie or some related SF
thing, wearing their Vulcan ears to the shopping center and so on or
believing they really can Use the Force, you can see the same obsession
in sports, where the poor schmuck spends almost all his available money
and time (and sometimes MORE than that) doing idiotic things like making
his car look like a giant football helmet.
Starcade's doing the same thing, just kicking it up the last notch from
"Jesus man, get a LIFE!" to "you really need to check yourself into the
nearby psychiatric center for a long stay".
Somewhere inside him, he's got a broken switch; most people have it
working on a nicely graduated scale, but for him it only works in two
positions: "Don't give a SH*T" and "OMG, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING ***EVAR***!!!!! I LUV U! U AND ME 4EVER!!!"; of course when it's
in the second position, anyone perceived as running down or impeding his
obsession is THE ANTICHRIST, I DESTROY YOU, EEEEEEVIL!!!!
It's one of the most pathetically revealing things I've ever seen posted.
Oh, and yes, he does ALSO add a laughable side order of "I'm TOUGH! I'm
TOUGH! REALLY I AM!!!!", but that's just a symptom of the overall problem.
Starcade
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> No, it was worse than that. If you read it, it was a clear shout of
> "I'm PATHETIC and DELUSIONAL! REALLY I AM!"
Considering you as the source of that comment, I'm not surprised.
> I mean, he says that he wants his "divorce" from anime fandom to be
> official and legal.
>
> He's taking being a fan of (something) as being EQUIVALENT to marriage.
Not _quite_ as strong as you might think it, but I can see where you
come to that conclusion.
The fact is that, as I said, if this online-distro model based on the
thief-pirates who have overrun the fandom is the future, then I am not
to be in the anime fandom's future, because the fandom is a
contemptible bunch of louts who don't deserve anything they've been
given.
> Here he shows his Stalkery nature. A stalker sees someone on screen
> that they don't know, have no actual connection with, and fantasizes
> until the fantasy becomes their reality. They really DO think that the
> object of their fantasy DOES know them, that those glances where the
> eyes meet through the TV are really the fantasy object looking at THEM
> (instead of, as is the case, the camera, and thus looking straight and
> intimately into the eyes of twenty million people), that they are
> uniquely in tune when in fact the object of their fantasy doesn't know
> them, nor care, and would be creeped out by the knowledge of the obsession.
The only difference between a fan and a stalker is the permission of
the object of the fandom.
That's the _ONLY_ difference.
> Starky is taking the same approach to anime fandom. He thinks it MEANS
> SOMETHING.
Yes, and it damned well better, or why do it?
And the thing is: That's endemic to "fandom" as a concept, not
"fandom" to any individual entity or genre.
If it doesn't mean anything, it isn't worth my time, energy, or money.
If it doesn't give me something to basically be "somewhere else" than
a world in which I would rather find the nearest thermonuke and
detonate it, or if it doesn't give enough joy to be able to wake up
the next morning and slog forward, then what is the bother of it?
> It doesn't, of course. Being a fan means you like whatever it is. If
> you stop liking it, you're no longer a fan. It's not something that is,
> or deserves, the intensity of emotion of a real human relationship.
Then it is of no use.
And here's the other half of that coin: The fandom can force the
issue of "when you stop being a fan" on you at any time it so chooses
-- which see the explosion of fansubbery rendering the content
abjectly garbage over the last half-decade.
> This is of course a mistake many fans of different things make; while the
> classic Fan Gone Obsessive is depicted as a Trekkie or some related SF
> thing, wearing their Vulcan ears to the shopping center and so on or
> believing they really can Use the Force, you can see the same obsession
> in sports, where the poor schmuck spends almost all his available money
> and time (and sometimes MORE than that) doing idiotic things like making
> his car look like a giant football helmet.
Because it actually means something -- it gives the fan some degree of
identification not to be just another number slogging through until
the system decides it's had enough and offs that piece of meat in
favor of another.
Without those kinds of identifications or moments of pure joy, we are
nothing but pieces of meat who deserve nothing more than being
considered that, Sea Wasp.
> Starcade's doing the same thing, just kicking it up the last notch from
> "Jesus man, get a LIFE!" to "you really need to check yourself into the
> nearby psychiatric center for a long stay".
No, I think you need to do that for me. And I am serious at that.
They've been wanting to lock me up for a long time.
> Somewhere inside him, he's got a broken switch; most people have it
> working on a nicely graduated scale, but for him it only works in two
> positions: "Don't give a SH*T" and "OMG, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
> THING ***EVAR***!!!!! I LUV U! U AND ME 4EVER!!!"; of course when it's
> in the second position, anyone perceived as running down or impeding his
> obsession is THE ANTICHRIST, I DESTROY YOU, EEEEEEVIL!!!!
Yeah, and usually seen as the same Anti-Christ from the very same
fandom.
Mike
selaboc
> "Galen" <ga...@nekomimicon.net> wrote in message
>
>
> > On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:22:10 +1100, "Blade" <kumonr...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>Moreover, making that argument, and arguing the punishment is too harsh,
> >>implies that you're NOT arguing that it is (or should be) legal for him to
> >>view fictional characters doing whatever. Which, admittedly, may not be
> >>your
> >>opinion but was what started this arc of conversation in the first place.
>
> > What started this arc is the claim that anime can be child pron -
> > and it can't. Handley's being convicted doesn't change the fact
> > that he didn't break the law.
>
> pornography". Legal backflips required to get there nonwithstanding, it'd be
> naive to think someone isn't going to at least try to turn that precedent
> into something more solid.
Possibly, but in doing so, that someone would be setting a precedent
of their own, AFAIK. I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any case
where a plea bargin was used as a precedent in determining law. The
whole point of a plea bargin is to avoid having the case go to court
and precedents are drawn from cases that have actually gone to court
and were thus ruled on by a judge after a fair hearing from both sides
of the case.
Dave Watson
> Dave Watson wrote:
>> (Over 300 lines snipped, which basically boils down to:)
>>
>> "I'm tough! I'm tough!! Really, I am!!!"
>
> No, it was worse than that. If you read it, it was a clear shout of
> "I'm PATHETIC and DELUSIONAL! REALLY I AM!"
That, too. Perhaps putting "silly cunt" all in caps this time would have
driven the point home proper.
> I mean, he says that he wants his "divorce" from anime fandom to be
> official and legal.
>
> He's taking being a fan of (something) as being EQUIVALENT to marriage.
No shit, eh? Like fandom and/or companies have to dictate whether he stays
or goes, and take appropriate action. If you don't like it, you can fuck
your own self off, like those of us with our heads screwed on correctly do.
I liked the bubblegum pop band the Bay City Rollers a lot when I was a kid
(yeah, I'm that old). Then my tastes changed, and I eventually stopped
liking them. Did I go off on a tear with the band or Arista Records? Did
I wing letters off everywhere trying to come off like King Shit of Turd
Island (and ending up just stinking badly)? No on both counts. I just
stopped buying their records and started buying other bands' instead,
especially Rush (whose music I still like today, even with all the weird
stuff alongside their recordings in my collection). End of chapter.
Continuation of book. Someday I'll probably get tired of anime as well
(not in the foreseeable future, though). What will I do? Sell my DVDs,
give away my DVD-Rs of digisubs, purge a lot of stuff from my hard drives,
and proceed to the next phase, with little to no drama. For now, it's
onwards, up(front)wards and occasionally apply some blue ointment to clear
up the little cybercrabs.
Watson.
Giovanni Wassen
> Dave Watson wrote:
>> (Over 300 lines snipped, which basically boils down to:)
>>
>> "I'm tough! I'm tough!! Really, I am!!!"
>
> No, it was worse than that. If you read it, it was a clear shout
> of
> "I'm PATHETIC and DELUSIONAL! REALLY I AM!"
>
> I mean, he says that he wants his "divorce" from anime fandom to
> be
> official and legal.
>
> He's taking being a fan of (something) as being EQUIVALENT to
> marriage.
Problem is, he isn't a fan to begin with.
--
Gio
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Well, I think he started as one. This, too, is a common stalker-type
pattern. You become obsessed, and at first the object of the obsession
is perfect. Then Something Happens and you see the FLAW, and the FLAW
becomes the obsession; if only you could change the FLAW the obsession
object would go back to being perfect. Sometimes the FLAW is blamed on
the object, but more commonly it's blamed on some outside influence.
sanjian
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:13:01 -0500, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
>> Dave Watson wrote:
>>> (Over 300 lines snipped, which basically boils down to:)
>>>
>>> "I'm tough! I'm tough!! Really, I am!!!"
>>
>> No, it was worse than that. If you read it, it was a clear shout of
>> "I'm PATHETIC and DELUSIONAL! REALLY I AM!"
>
> That, too. Perhaps putting "silly cunt" all in caps this time would
> have driven the point home proper.
Even more to the point... why the fuck are we still talking about him? Oh,
Mikey, I wish they could quite you.
I really, really, really wish they could quit you.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Dave Watson wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:13:01 -0500, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Watson wrote:
>>>> (Over 300 lines snipped, which basically boils down to:)
>>>>
>>>> "I'm tough! I'm tough!! Really, I am!!!"
>>> No, it was worse than that. If you read it, it was a clear shout of
>>> "I'm PATHETIC and DELUSIONAL! REALLY I AM!"
>> That, too. Perhaps putting "silly cunt" all in caps this time would
>> have driven the point home proper.
>
> Even more to the point... why the fuck are we still talking about him?
Physician, heal thyself.
Oh,
> Mikey, I wish they could quite you.
>
>
> I really, really, really wish they could quit you.
>
>
I never respond to him directly any more. But he's still a source of
amusement
Starcade
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
> > Problem is, he isn't a fan to begin with.
>
> Well, I think he started as one. This, too, is a common stalker-type
> pattern. You become obsessed, and at first the object of the obsession
> is perfect. Then Something Happens and you see the FLAW, and the FLAW
> becomes the obsession; if only you could change the FLAW the obsession
> object would go back to being perfect. Sometimes the FLAW is blamed on
> the object, but more commonly it's blamed on some outside influence.
The FLAW is based, in the anime industry, on the outside influence of
the fandom demanding free product.
If you can't see that, that's not my fucking problem.
Mike
sanjian
> sanjian wrote:
>> Dave Watson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:13:01 -0500, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave Watson wrote:
>>>>> (Over 300 lines snipped, which basically boils down to:)
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'm tough! I'm tough!! Really, I am!!!"
>>>> No, it was worse than that. If you read it, it was a clear shout of
>>>> "I'm PATHETIC and DELUSIONAL! REALLY I AM!"
>>> That, too. Perhaps putting "silly cunt" all in caps this time would
>>> have driven the point home proper.
>>
>> Even more to the point... why the fuck are we still talking about
>> him?
>
> Physician, heal thyself.
Honto ni? I've got the brat killfiled. I'm not the one who's dragging him
back on to peoples' radars and giving him a reason to keep up with his
blather... unless there's been some mass KF Dave Watson movement that I've
forgotten about (in which case, sorry, y'all). Am I occasionally asking
y'all to leave him be? Yes. Are they the same? You would have to have
your head so far up your ass that you need a glass belly to watch anime in
order to think that was the case.
Or, maybe I'm mistaken in assuming that people like you and Dave are
rational, reasoned, responsible denzins of r.a.a.m. who can be called on to
behave properly. Am I mistaken in overestimating you?
Either way, your "Physician, heal thyself" is soundly rejected. Leave the
Mind Numbed Equivocation for elsewhere, if you please.
selaboc
As the Bard once wrote "methinks the lady doth protest too much". It's
not other peoples problem that you have no self control. Dave Watson
started a thread entitled "This flake sound familiar to you?". It was
pretty obvious to all and sundry whom the thread was about. Yet you
read it anyway. Even, assuming you had no clue what the thread was
about before you read the first post, once you read that first post
you should have known enough to walk away, yet you didn't. You
continued to follow the thread KNOWING what it was about anyway (even
if it was only following it "half-assed" as you put it in one of the
dozen of posts you've made in this thread). so don't blame other
people for "putting him on your radar" when you refuse to take him off
it by WALKING AWAY from a thread that is ABOUT him.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> sanjian wrote:
>>> Dave Watson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:13:01 -0500, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave Watson wrote:
>>>>>> (Over 300 lines snipped, which basically boils down to:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I'm tough! I'm tough!! Really, I am!!!"
>>>>> No, it was worse than that. If you read it, it was a clear shout of
>>>>> "I'm PATHETIC and DELUSIONAL! REALLY I AM!"
>>>> That, too. Perhaps putting "silly cunt" all in caps this time would
>>>> have driven the point home proper.
>>> Even more to the point... why the fuck are we still talking about
>>> him?
>> Physician, heal thyself.
>
> Honto ni?
Honto. You reply to the thread, you extend it. And you talk about him.
Thus, if you involve yourself in what you see as the problem, you become
the problem. Gaze into the abyss, all that.
> I've got the brat killfiled.
I don't use killfiles. I don't respond to him directly, though.
>
> Or, maybe I'm mistaken in assuming that people like you and Dave are
> rational, reasoned, responsible denzins of r.a.a.m. who can be called on to
> behave properly.
I am behaving in the way that I find most entertaining. I have chosen
not to respond directly to him, but commenting on other posts and
reading his ravings can still sometimes amuse me.
As amusement is the reason for being on Usenet, this seems both
rational and reasoned.
The fact that it doesn't meet YOUR standards... fails to have any
influence on me whatsoever.
Captain Nerd
"sanjian" <mill...@airmail.net> wrote:
Dear Usenet;
I want to register a complaint about all the people complaining about
people complaining about complaints about posters.
Cap.
--
Since 1989, recycling old jokes, cliches, and bad puns, one Usenet
post at a time!
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Only email with "TO_CAP" somewhere in the subject has a chance of being read
John Burnham
> Dear Usenet;
>
> I want to register a complaint about all the people complaining about
> people complaining about complaints about posters.
>
> Cap.
<fx mode="Pythonesque">
Sorry. Complaints is next door. This is uncalled-for abuse, you stupid
cretin.
</fx>
J