Open letter to 4Kids Productions...
The Eternal Lost Lurker
Hubius Maximus
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I request context.
-Matt/Pickle/Jew-Pac
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Chris Mattern
> No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
>
>
>>http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
>
>
> I request context.
>
give us a taste of what lies in store, they have already
announced that the US release will be named "Hollywood
Mew Mew."
chris Mattern
The Eternal Lost Lurker
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> I request context.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
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The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
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> > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> >
> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> >
> > I request context.
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
He obviously doesn't credit children with much intelligence, or else he
hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
his line of work, IMO.
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>In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
>> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
>> news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
>> > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
>> >
>> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
>> >
>> > I request context.
>
>> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
I like this quote:
Coleman will not confirm or deny rumors that one of Nickelodeon’s
strangest series will soon be out on DVD, but does say flat out that
there are no plans for Invader Zim to resume production of original
episodes.
-Galen
Anthony D Baranyi
"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote in message
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Remember - you and I aren't the target market. They don't give a shit if we
like what they do or not. They only want to sell ad time on Saturday
mornings.
I don't even care for "Tokyo Pew Pew", (I'd rather see "Dr. Rin" brought
over) but it's the approach in general by 4Kids that is offensive.
Good work anyway -
Dave Baranyi
Fuchsia Wonder
> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
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> > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> >
> > I request context.
>
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
I really wish Fox would just give up on licensing anime. They seem to
not be able to accomplish anything with what they get their hands on.
They cut and patched Escaflowne to hell and back, and didn't use Slayers
correctly. They either need to stop grabbing titles altogether, or fire
everyone in the division and bring in people that can make these
acquisitions work.
-Matt/Pickle/Jew-Pac
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> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
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> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> >
> > I request context.
>
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
I really wish Fox would just give up on licensing anime. They seem to
not be able to accomplish anything with what they get their hands on.
The company they hired to deal with Escaflowne cut and patched it to hell
and back, and Fox also didn't use Slayers correctly. They either need
Steve Harrison
<musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> I like this quote:
>
> Coleman will not confirm or deny rumors that one of Nickelodeon's
> strangest series will soon be out on DVD, but does say flat out that
> there are no plans for Invader Zim to resume production of original
> episodes.
Wait...but....hasn't Mediablasters already confirmed they've got the
rights, and have the release sked already up, and..and....
(and I'm still surprised Paramount/Viacom leased the license...I mean, Zim
was 'troublesome' unlike that market-friendly (or is that marketing?)
Spongebob....*sigh*)
Oh, wait...TV Executive...that's right, information control and all that....
Nevermind... :)
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Kyle Thomas Pope
>Wait...but....hasn't Mediablasters already confirmed they've got the
>rights, and have the release sked already up, and..and....
More than confirmed. There's a trailer for Invader Zim on Twelve
Kingdoms #4.
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SukiyakiSushi82
>don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
It's not 1995...
Chris Sobieniak
wrote:
>>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id>>=4584
>localize the programs kids don't even know they're
>from Japan anymore."
Such a facist corporate statement!
>He obviously doesn't credit children with much
>intelligence, or else he hasn't heard that anime has
>a following amongst the young.
I pick the first.
"Kids don't know what they want, that's why they're kids, because their
STUPID!!!" (Roger Meyers Jr. on The Simpsons)
>Why else would some companies go to such
>extents as to dress American productions as
>anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn
>is a moron, or at very least he has less contact
>with his audience than is good for a person in his
>line of work, IMO.
>--
> //\ // Chika
Makes you wish FUNimation had the chance to get this show instead.
From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak
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Chris Sobieniak
(Anthony D Baranyi) wrote:
>"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv>
>wrote in message
>news:k6wTb.157$F75.97...@newssvr11.new>s.prodigy.com...
>>http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenlett>>er.jpg
>They don't give a shit if we like what they do or
>not. They only want to sell ad time on Saturday
>mornings.
Surprised "Saturday Morning" still exist in America these days. Nothing
like it was in the 80s mind you, but close.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
> > "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
> > news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> > > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > >
> > > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> > >
> > > I request context.
>
> > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> He obviously doesn't credit children with much intelligence, or else he
> hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
> some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> his line of work, IMO.
>
Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or not.
Like the Applejacks cereal, they just like what they like.
If it looks/tastes good to them, they like it.
If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like it,
though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
They just know they like it. ;-p
As for children's intelligence, explain Spongebob being
the highest rated children's show on US TV, not just cable.
Is that what you're looking for? ;-)
Laters. =)
Stan
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> In article <hdmt10d6osn0enn80...@4ax.com>, Galen Musbach
> <musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
> >
> > I like this quote:
> >
> > Coleman will not confirm or deny rumors that one of Nickelodeon's
> > strangest series will soon be out on DVD, but does say flat out that
> > there are no plans for Invader Zim to resume production of original
> > episodes.
>
> Wait...but....hasn't Mediablasters already confirmed they've got the
> rights, and have the release sked already up, and..and....
>
> (and I'm still surprised Paramount/Viacom leased the license...I mean, Zim
> was 'troublesome' unlike that market-friendly (or is that marketing?)
> Spongebob....*sigh*)
>
IIRC, a Media Blasters rep said they managed to
convince Nick to license Zim to them as an experiment.
I think if Zim's sales do well, then Nick may be more prone
to license out their cult hits, or even release themselves.
So Zim is the prototype. ;-)
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
> > news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> > > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
>
> > > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> > >
> > > I request context.
> >
> > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> I really wish Fox would just give up on licensing anime. They seem to
> not be able to accomplish anything with what they get their hands on.
Fox has nothing to do with this Tokyo Mew Mew deal.
It's all 4Kids, who leases and runs the Fox Box block.
> The company they hired to deal with Escaflowne cut and patched it to hell
> and back, and Fox also didn't use Slayers correctly. They either need
That would be Saban, who used to run Fox Kids.
> to stop grabbing titles altogether, or fire everyone in the division and
> bring in people that can make these acquisitions work.
It seems you misunderstand how their system works.
There wouldn't be anyone to fire in that division
because that division doesn't exist.
Fox doesn't do these acquisitions themselves.
Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
leaves it out to them on what they want to show
(within their BS&P guidelines of course).
And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> "The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote in message
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> >
> > =+=
> >
> > The Eternal Lost Lurker
> > www.lurkerdrome.com
>
> Remember - you and I aren't the target market. They don't give a shit if we
> like what they do or not. They only want to sell ad time on Saturday
> mornings.
And merchandise licenses.
So unless merchandise producers see a TMM market for grown-ups,
they won't be buying licenses to manufacture
TMM apparel for grown-ups anytime soon. ;-)
>
> I don't even care for "Tokyo Pew Pew", (I'd rather see "Dr. Rin" brought
> over) but it's the approach in general by 4Kids that is offensive.
>
Yeah, but they're only putting to words what's already
being practiced in the real world in the first place. ;p
The Wanderer
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Chika wrote:
>> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs
>> kids don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
> Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or not.
No, I think he means that they do such a complete job of removing or
concealing all Japan-specific elements ("localizing", in their parlance)
that once they're done there's no way to tell it's from Japan.
He appears to think that this is a good thing.
--
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A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them.
Chris Sobieniak
wrote:
>Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or
>not. Like the Applejacks cereal, they just like what
>they like. If it looks/tastes good to them, they like
>it. If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like
>it, though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
>They just know they like it. ;-p
Still I thought it tasted like apples! (though I grew up in the
generation that "believed" whatever TV said to us anyway) I do hate the
later Apple Jacks ads that feel they have to go that route.
>As for children's intelligence, explain Spongebob
>being the highest rated children's show on US TV,
>not just cable. Is that what you're looking for? ;-)
>Laters. =)
> Stan
"The whole society's going to Hell in a handbasket" might not be an
overlooked term here. :-)
AstroNerdBoy
Dear ELL,
Now amount of screaming, begging, pleading, or the like will keep us
from raping "Tokyo Mew Mew" to death. Then, we will rape the carcass
repeatedly, aided by the latest in domestication technology. What
makes cartoons from Japan good is our domestication. Otherwise people
will be confused. And besides, we all know that while discrimination
against other races is bad, we feel that discrimination against
Japanese folks is still good.
Thanks for you concern. If we have our way, we will have the license
to all of your favorite Japanese cartoons and will rape them for your
pleasure. And you don't have to thank us because we enjoy it so much.
Sincerly,
Al Kahn
4Kids CEO and Chief Raping Officer
AstroNerdBoy
> In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
> > "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
> > news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> > > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > >
> > > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> > >
> > > I request context.
>
> > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> He obviously doesn't credit children with much intelligence, or else he
> hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
> some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> his line of work, IMO.
Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the Planets", the 1978 raped
version of "Gatchaman". I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
agreements is that they couldn't insert new animation, thus giving the
evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Chris Sobieniak" <chrism...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:2871-401...@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net...
>Makes you wish FUNimation had the chance to get this show instead.
FUNimation would do a better job with it, to be sure. Even though they'd
probably have their voice cast pronouncing Ichigo "ITCHY-GO".
They'd also need to hire a few new actresses, because they've got what,
three ladies in the talent pool?
But then, that'd still be preferable to what's likely to happen with
Hollywood Mew Mew.
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"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <sta...@cif.rochester.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or not.
Which isn't true.
> If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like it,
> though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
Also not true...
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Chika" <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c7aa1fe...@no.spam.here...
>
> hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
> some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> his line of work, IMO.
He's an ignorant, Japan-hating bastard, is wot he is.
Ethan Hammond
>
> >Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> >don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> It's not 1995...
I am in concurrance and I wonder why he thinks it matters if the kids
know it is from Japan or not. Which based on the kids I have talked
to when I worked at Best Buy, they do know.
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Ethan Hammond
> Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
> these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
> leaves it out to them on what they want to show
> (within their BS&P guidelines of course).
> And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
So does 4Kids get anything out of it besides putting
the shows on the air? Do they get any advertising
revenue or any other perks?
Ethan Hammond
>
> Thanks for you concern. If we have our way, we will have the license
> to all of your favorite Japanese cartoons and will rape them for your
> pleasure. And you don't have to thank us because we enjoy it so much.
Good times, good times.
AstroNerdBoy
Um...that should have bee "No amount..." Bloody keayboardd...yeaha,
thast' the ticket. *shakes head*
Megane
sp...@astronerdboy.com (AstroNerdBoy) wrote:
The spaying! You forgot to mention the spaying!
cuteswan
> Surprised "Saturday Morning" still exist in America these days. Nothing
> like it was in the 80s mind you, but close.
Hmm, we need a new version of "SuperFriends" with Sailor Moon, Astroboy,
Mew Mew Strawberry, Dr. Rin, Tsubasa/Hikaru (Figure 17), and Yuri (Alien
9). For the sidekicks, we'd have TAKINO Tomo (Azumanga Daioh), Kuu
(recently graduated from Haibane Renmei), and the animal would be Ebichu.
;)
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> Fox has nothing to do with this Tokyo Mew Mew deal.
> It's all 4Kids, who leases and runs the Fox Box block.
>
> It seems you misunderstand how their system works.
> There wouldn't be anyone to fire in that division
> because that division doesn't exist.
>
> Fox doesn't do these acquisitions themselves.
> Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
> these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
> leaves it out to them on what they want to show
> (within their BS&P guidelines of course).
> And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
I figured I probably didn't have the system down correctly. But when
_two_ shows with built-in fan bases can't succeed on a broadcast
network, one might start to think that Fox is jinxed when it comes to
running anime. At the very least, they've got bad luck with it, and
might want to consider very carefully who they bring in to run their
cartoon programming blocks. Saban was obviously a bad choice (see their
Sailor Moon concept), and 4Kids sounds like it doesn't have many fans
of their work either.
-Matt/Pickle/Jew-Pac
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> "The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote in message
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Thanks a lot for the absolute sincerity, Al Kahn.
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Chris Sobieniak
(AstroNerdBoy) wrote:
>Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the
>Planets", the 1978 raped version of "Gatchaman".
>I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
>agreements is that they couldn't insert new
>animation, thus giving the evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
Heh, I had that same feeling going through my head as well.
Chris Sobieniak
(The Eternal Lost Lurker) wrote:
>"Chris Sobieniak" <chrism...@webtv.net> wrote
>in message
>news:2871-401...@storefull-3134.bay.we>btv.net...
>>Makes you wish FUNimation had the chance to
>>get this show instead.
>FUNimation would do a better job with it, to be
>sure. Even though they'd probably have their voice
>cast pronouncing Ichigo "ITCHY-GO".
There's always going to be those sacrifices. Sure they probably
wouldn't be able to get it on TV, at least they care enough to release
it on video (still think "Fruits Basket" could work on some feminine
network or so).
>They'd also need to hire a few new actresses,
>because they've got what, three ladies in the talent
>pool?
Wonder what kind of talent is left in the Ft. Worth/Dallas area?
>But then, that'd still be preferable to what's likely
>to happen with Hollywood Mew Mew.
Really!
Chris Sobieniak
(Ethan Hammond) wrote:
>I am in concurrance and I wonder why he thinks it
>matters if the kids know it is from Japan or not.
>Which based on the kids I have talked to when I
>worked at Best Buy, they do know.
I assume this probably varys from town to town over what kids do know.
In my city, the kids I do happen to meet and talk to sometimes know it,
but they tend to aqaute it to what they do see on TV like Pokemon, DBZ,
etc. (being too small to buy tapes at the store and all) Some tend to
be rather clueless when I bring out an issue of "Shonen Jump", since
they haven't seen it before. Would've felt the infiltration of
anime/manga would be at an all-time high by now, but perhaps not for the
10 and under set.
5parrow
>
> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
I cannot believe this man's jingoism. He sounds like a villian straight
out of a (conjectural) sequel to Otaku no Video.
Where'd you get the quote?
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Shez
way.invalid> said:
>> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
>Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
>don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
The trouble is that for most broadcasters anime is nothing to do with
culture, it's simply a way of making TV shows on the cheap, the same as
companies outsourcing their call centres to India but telling the
Indians to speak in English accents and pretend they're from Britain (or
the US or wherever the client company is). Buying anime is simply the
next step down the line from having your Simpsons cartoons animated in
Korea. The important thing is to conceal from your audience that the tv
show they're watching was made by dirty heathen foreigners.
-Shez.
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AstroNerdBoy <sp...@astronerdboy.com> wrote:
> Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the Planets", the 1978 raped
> version of "Gatchaman". I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
> agreements is that they couldn't insert new animation, thus giving the
> evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
Name the devil not! I have some episodes from BotP on DVD, so I have
reminded myself exactly how bad Zark, Rover and Susan get. What really
shows it up are the few Zark clips where a member of the team visits. Not
good!
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Chika
Shez <UseRepl...@nospam.invalid.uk> wrote:
> In the faraway land of rec.arts.anime.misc, Chika <miyuki@spam-no-
> way.invalid> said:
> >> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
> >
> >Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> >don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
> The trouble is that for most broadcasters anime is nothing to do with
> culture, it's simply a way of making TV shows on the cheap, the same as
> companies outsourcing their call centres to India but telling the
> Indians to speak in English accents and pretend they're from Britain (or
> the US or wherever the client company is).
True, but then by masking off the origin, they still incur the extra cost.
Like I said before, when other shows are being shown in original format,
and some American product is apeing anime production values, this extra
cost seems like extravagance.
> Buying anime is simply the next step down the line from having your
> Simpsons cartoons animated in Korea. The important thing is to conceal
> from your audience that the tv show they're watching was made by dirty
> heathen foreigners.
And if this really is the case, all it does is shows up folk like this
particular guy not just as out of touch or misguided, but as a total
bigot. Not good.
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Chika
5parrow <mail....@gtg692n.edu> wrote:
> Chika wrote:
> >
> > Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> > don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
> >
> I cannot believe this man's jingoism. He sounds like a villian straight
> out of a (conjectural) sequel to Otaku no Video.
> Where'd you get the quote?
The quote was part of the report. See
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584 towards the bottom of
the first paragraph. It's followed by the quote "Kahn stated that he felt
that labels such as 'anime' are for adults and mean nothing to children."
This guy appears to be able to give Carl Macek a run for his ego!
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Andrew Hollingbury
>On Tue, Feb 3, 2004, 9:39am (EST+5), esha...@worldnet.att.net
>(Ethan Hammond) wrote:
>>I am in concurrance and I wonder why he thinks it
>>matters if the kids know it is from Japan or not.
>>Which based on the kids I have talked to when I
>>worked at Best Buy, they do know.
>
>I assume this probably varys from town to town over what kids do know.
>In my city, the kids I do happen to meet and talk to sometimes know it,
>but they tend to aqaute it to what they do see on TV like Pokemon, DBZ,
>etc. (being too small to buy tapes at the store and all)
They're still anime - just because it's the hardcore position to look down
on them doesn't mean they're not anime ^_^
Andrew H
Chris Sobieniak
wrote:
>In article
><7e562e8e.04020...@posting.googl>e.com>, AstroNerdBoy
><sp...@astronerdboy.com> wrote:
>>Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the
>>Planets", the 1978 raped version of "Gatchaman".
>>I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
>>agreements is that they couldn't insert new
>>animation, thus giving the evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
>Name the devil not!
God no!!!
>I have some episodes from BotP on DVD, so I
>have reminded myself exactly how bad Zark, Rover
>and Susan get.
Still Susan's lines are rather quite sexy! At times it makes me wanna
think that the "phosdic" is the male robot equivilent to an animal
penis. I can't believe they got away with such innuendo at 4PM on
channel 24!
>What really shows it up are the few Zark clips
>where a member of the team visits. Not good!
>--
> //\ // Chika
Don't forget the Ready Room sequences! Much worse than that! They all
are cycling the same routines while talking, never breaking out of it to
do something else (like LEAVE!). ^_^
5parrow
> In article <bvoktr$m2a$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
> 5parrow <mail....@gtg692n.edu> wrote:
>>Chika wrote:
>>>Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
>>>don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>>I cannot believe this man's jingoism. He sounds like a villian straight
>>out of a (conjectural) sequel to Otaku no Video.
>>Where'd you get the quote?
> The quote was part of the report. See
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584 towards the bottom of
> the first paragraph.
Ah.
> It's followed by the quote "Kahn stated that he felt
> that labels such as 'anime' are for adults and mean nothing to children."
Labels are labels, but covering over the entire origin of a series is
something totally other...
> This guy appears to be able to give Carl Macek a run for his ego!
Naw, Macek had the excuse of living in an age where virtually no one
Stateside knew what anime was. This guy's ego is worse.
I still think Kahn sounds like a stereotypical villian in that quote...
all you need to add is evil laughter at the end of it.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <sta...@cif.rochester.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.58.0402030001340.5104@roundtable...
> >
> > Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or not.
>
> Which isn't true.
>
> > If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like it,
> > though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
>
> Also not true...
>
True here. I take care of kids a lot
and thus get to hang out with them and their friends.
They couldn't care less if it's anime.
They just like what they like, anime or not.
They don't particularly go out of their way
to look for anime neither.
They just want "cartoons," wherever it's from.
Anime to them is just a term for cartoons from Japan.
My anime DVDs displayed on shelves are nothing special to them.
Laters. =)
Stan
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <sta...@cif.rochester.edu> wrote in message
> >
> > Fox doesn't do these acquisitions themselves.
> > Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
> > these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
> > leaves it out to them on what they want to show
> > (within their BS&P guidelines of course).
> > And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
>
> So does 4Kids get anything out of it besides putting
> the shows on the air? Do they get any advertising
> revenue or any other perks?
>
Yes, as lessee, they are responsible for their own ratings
and thus get to charge ad rates.
They also earn revenue from merchandise licenses
based on their shows.
So, the more popular they can make their shows,
the more the ad rates and the licenses are worth.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> No puedes tocar esto, S.t.A.n.L.e.E!
>
> >
> > Fox doesn't do these acquisitions themselves.
> > Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
> > these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
> > leaves it out to them on what they want to show
> > (within their BS&P guidelines of course).
> > And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
>
> I figured I probably didn't have the system down correctly. But when
> _two_ shows with built-in fan bases can't succeed on a broadcast
> network, one might start to think that Fox is jinxed when it comes to
> running anime. At the very least, they've got bad luck with it, and
> might want to consider very carefully who they bring in to run their
> cartoon programming blocks. Saban was obviously a bad choice (see their
> Sailor Moon concept), and 4Kids sounds like it doesn't have many fans
> of their work either.
>
Well, 4Kids is doing OK.
(I forgot their exact 2003 earnings report,
but I do recall they earned a modest profit.)
They're not blazing the ratings or anything,
but they're so far surviving.
Anime doesn't cost them too much to produce (just ADR),
so they save their money that way, by filling their block
with anime along with one or two domestic shows.
And they're still earning a lot from Pokemon and Yugioh licenses.
So, their base is steady enough to build up from,
as they try to establish their brand and inventory stock.
That means they won't be a fly-by-night operation for awhile.
Fox already gets paid rent no matter what 4Kids does.
Fox Kids was more a split Fox/Saban operation,
but Fox Box is guaranteed rent money for Fox.
So Fox doesn't really care too much about it.