[JAILED] so, now?
C. Mitch Hagmaier
Steve Harrison wrote:
>
> OK, just wondering...what's been going on with JAILED (the
> anti-bootlegging co-op formed, what, 18 months ago or so?)
>
Rumor has it that once they did their token bust, they pretty much
shut down the operation. It was just a kind of "showing the flag"
kinda cruise.
>
> I don't know what caused me to suddenly ask these questions, but I
> thought it would be nice to have something to actually read other than
> killfiling GRIT posts....
Yes.
Mitch Hagmaier
Quest Labs
Steve Harrison
OK, just wondering...what's been going on with JAILED (the
anti-bootlegging co-op formed, what, 18 months ago or so?)
Any new busts?
Any new statements?
Any founding backers drop out?
Any new backers join in?
Is JAILED still extant?
Does anyone give a rip?
I don't know what caused me to suddenly ask these questions, but I thought
it would be nice to have something to actually read other than killfiling
GRIT posts....
--
*Giant Robo-because sometimes you just need a really big robot to kick some ass*
Steve Harrison Coming soon: Radio Free Arcadia
Yamato guru A guide to the Matsumoto universe
Space Webzine Yamato http://members.aol.com/swy01/index.html
check it out! Now even better than before!
Rol Virata
Steve Harrison (toc...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: OK, just wondering...what's been going on with JAILED (the
: anti-bootlegging co-op formed, what, 18 months ago or so?)
: Any new busts?
: Any new statements?
: Any founding backers drop out?
: Any new backers join in?
: Is JAILED still extant?
: Does anyone give a rip?
: I don't know what caused me to suddenly ask these questions, but I thought
: it would be nice to have something to actually read other than killfiling
: GRIT posts....
Had to say it, didn't you? Had to say the G-word. Their going to be all
over this post you know. Just one mention, and they come. They can
sense it. How do I know? I'm the messenger!!!!!
Seriously, though, I would like to knoe how JAILED is doing also. I
really disagreed with their reasoning and their purpose for forming but I
just wanted to know anything about how they are doing. It's always good
to know how the other side is doing.
Rol
Ryan Mathews
In <tochiro-1510...@gra-mi2-14.ix.netcom.com>
toc...@ix.netcom.com (Steve Harrison) writes:
>
>OK, just wondering...what's been going on with JAILED (the
>anti-bootlegging co-op formed, what, 18 months ago or so?)
You know the Maytag repairman? Imagine he's a lawyer. :-)
(Actually, I have no clue, but I love the imagery...)
--
---------- Ryan Mathews
Email: math...@ix.netcom.com "Sayonara to intrusive noise/
SnailMail: 401 Mortimer Drive #410 No more childish play and no more toys"
Bedford OH, 44146 -- Sharon Apple, "Information High"
Ryan Mathews
In <326439...@csrlink.net> "C. Mitch Hagmaier"
<kyo...@csrlink.net> writes:
>
>Rumor has it that once they did their token bust, they pretty much
>shut down the operation.
Hee, hee! And their "token bust-ee" was back in business within days!
>It was just a kind of "showing the flag" kinda cruise.
Really? Was this flag white? :-)
ewi...@umbc.edu
Ryan Mathews <math...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>toc...@ix.netcom.com (Steve Harrison) writes:
>You know the Maytag repairman? Imagine he's a lawyer. :-)
>(Actually, I have no clue, but I love the imagery...)
Hmm.. if the Maytag repairman is say... Toshi, then who's the dog??
Gotta love that imagery! ;)
(this is sure to bring Conty out of the woodwork - if only in defense of
the do..err.."her." BTW, :) :) :) I actually have met and liked "her"
in person, just not "her" business senses...)
--
|| ewi...@umbc.edu |||/ Assistant Moderator, R.A.A.C. /||| +Standard+ ||
|| ewil...@csc.com ||/ http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~ewilli3/ ||| Disclaimer ||
|\I slept and dreamt life was joy...I woke and saw that life was duty.../|
||\ I acted, and behold, duty was joy. -- Rabinranath Tagore /||
paulcs
I'm a bit out of the loop here. What's "Jailed", and what's an "anti-bootlegging co-op"?
Sounds ominous (in a granola kind of way).
Paul Cordeiro
On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, paulcs wrote:
> I'm a bit out of the loop here. What's "Jailed", and what's an
> "anti-bootlegging co-op"?
JAILED is an anti-bootlegging co-op. ^_- It stands for "Japanese
Animation Industry Legal Enforcement Division" and is supposed to
"search and destroy" bootlegging operations in America.
> Sounds ominous (in a granola kind of way).
Not really. They've only made one bust, and apparently the bustee
was back in business a few days later. IMHO, the best way to deal
with bootleggers is to not buy from them.
****Madoka*Ayukawa***Setsuna*Meiou****Linna*Yamazaki***Kiyone*Makibi****
* *
* / PAUL CORDEIRO, juurokusai. \ My email address?! Oh, alright.. *
* \ "Oh yeah, that's the goods!" / shi...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca *
* *
****Shayla*Shayla***Natsumi*Tsujimoto****Arisa*Mitaka***Ukyou*Kuonji****
David Crowe
Paul Cordeiro <shi...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
: Not really. They've only made one bust, and apparently the bustee
: was back in business a few days later. IMHO, the best way to deal
: with bootleggers is to not buy from them.
A very good point. I wonder what the reaction would be if JAILED spent
money on an ad campaign urging people not to buy (BUY) bootlegged tapes.
Probably something like this:
"Those greedy corporate Trish Ledoux bastards think they can tell us what
not to buy! They just want all the money for themselves! They're never
going to release <favorite unrelased show here>, so why not buy bootlegs!"
and so on. (sigh)
NOTE: Sacrasm, not actual opinion above.
--
David "No Nickname" Crowe No generalization is true
-not even this one.
ho clarence
David Crowe (jet...@primenet.com) wrote:
: Paul Cordeiro <shi...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
: : Not really. They've only made one bust, and apparently the bustee
: : was back in business a few days later. IMHO, the best way to deal
: : with bootleggers is to not buy from them.
: A very good point. I wonder what the reaction would be if JAILED spent
: money on an ad campaign urging people not to buy (BUY) bootlegged tapes.
Realize that JAILED is merely a consortium of publishers exercising their
rights to protect the licenses they have paid for. Those who disagree with
a company defending themselves from being ripped off need to think hard
about their own rights. In no way would I deny any JAILED member company
the right to prosecute the theft of their property.
<Sarcastic Trish-bashing snipped>
: NOTE: Sacrasm, not actual opinion above.
As if any single person runs JAILED... ferpetessake, if Animerica printed
an editorial urging anime fans to donate canned food to homeless shelters
or to help little old ladies cross the road or to be kind and let people
merge onto the highway, some of you would proclaim it as Satan's gospel
simply because Trish LeDoux may have been involved. Lighten up already!
Express your opinion of sub/dubs/fansubs/bootlegs in the ONE way anyone
will listen: with your *wallet*. 'You don't like something, don't buy it!
Sco
Ryan Mathews
In <54akdf$1...@news.umbc.edu> ch...@umbc.edu (ho clarence) writes:
>
>Those who disagree with a company defending themselves from being
>ripped off need to think hard about their own rights. In no way would
>I deny any JAILED member company the right to prosecute the theft of
>their proper
ty.
This thread isn't about whether or not JAILED has a right to exist.
It's about the fact that JAILED is a *joke*. They've made one "bust",
the busted party being back in business within days, and rumor has it
they've been laughed out of court at least once.
The only thing JAILED at which has succeeded has been making fools of
themselves.
Enrique Conty
In article <54akdf$1...@news.umbc.edu> ch...@umbc.edu (ho clarence) writes:
>
>Those who disagree with a company defending themselves from being
>ripped off need to think hard about their own rights.
That's just it: many of these people consider "ripping off" to be their
inalienable right. You should see the rationalizations they come up
with to convince themselves that what they're doing is right.
--
Enrique Conty | co...@cig.mot.com | http://www.mcs.net/~conty
Come to Anime Central, the Midwest's Best Anime Convention!
April 3-5 1998, Holiday Inn O'Hare, Rosemont, IL. (A suburb of Chicago)
Visit our website at http://www.mcs.net/~docangst/3w/ac/
Darren Lo
On 20 Oct 1996 18:45:12 GMT, Ryan Mathews (math...@ix.netcom.com) said something to the effect of:
: In <54akdf$1...@news.umbc.edu> ch...@umbc.edu (ho clarence) writes:
: >
: >Those who disagree with a company defending themselves from being
: >I deny any JAILED member company the right to prosecute the theft of
: >their proper
: ty.
: This thread isn't about whether or not JAILED has a right to exist.
: It's about the fact that JAILED is a *joke*. They've made one "bust",
: the busted party being back in business within days, and rumor has it
: they've been laughed out of court at least once.
How literally are you speaking? Did the court people actually laugh? That
would have been really embarrassing... ;)
--
Darren Lo, darr...@umich.edu +-----------------------------+
+----------------------------------------------+Do not meddle in the affairs |
|Mobius strip for sale... see back for details.|of Schrodinger, for he is |
|Klein bottle for sale... inquire within. |subtle and quick to anger. |
+----------------------------------------------+-----------------------------+
Steve Harrison
In article <54drvo$8...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
math...@ix.netcom.com(Ryan Mathews) wrote:
> In <54akdf$1...@news.umbc.edu> ch...@umbc.edu (ho clarence) writes:
> >
> >Those who disagree with a company defending themselves from being
> >ripped off need to think hard about their own rights. In no way would
> >I deny any JAILED member company the right to prosecute the theft of
> >their proper
> ty.
>
> This thread isn't about whether or not JAILED has a right to exist.
> It's about the fact that JAILED is a *joke*. They've made one "bust",
> the busted party being back in business within days, and rumor has it
> they've been laughed out of court at least once.
>
> The only thing JAILED at which has succeeded has been making fools of
> themselves.
> --
*cough cough* Actually, my intent on starting this thread was to make a
serious inquiry as to the status of JAILED, find out if they've done
*anything* since they started..
no one has answered some of my key questions,and maybe no one can. Has any
of the companies that formed JAILED pulled out/not contributied further
funds?
Somehow, I can't shake the feeling that the whole formation of JAILED was
a 'dog and pony' show, to give an impression of *one* company doing major
works to curb bootlegging, and the others were invited along to lower the
cost of doing it..
So let me make it plain...Was JAILED actually formed by Viz to placate the
folks at Sogakukan's home office? Was JAILED created as fallout from R.
Takahashi's US visit? (I seem to recall some flak about bootlegs and stuff
from that visit, anyone else remember?)
I am anti bootlegging, no problem there, but why not focus on all the
Taiwan bootleg CDs, the Hong Kong bootleg Garage kits, and those people
selling fansubs and bootleg dupes of pro tapes?
*sigh*
Ryan Mathews
In <tochiro-2110...@gra-mi2-07.ix.netcom.com>
toc...@ix.netcom.com (Steve Harrison) writes:
>
>Somehow, I can't shake the feeling that the whole formation of JAILED
>was a 'dog and pony' show, to give an impression of *one* company
>doing major works to curb bootlegging, and the others were invited
>along to lower the cost of doing it..
This is just my opinion. I think the idea behind JAILED was that they
would establish themselves, be big and visible, make a few impressive
busts, and scare all the bootleggers into line (and maybe some
fansubbers, too) without having to go to court too often.
What they didn't count on was the basic fearlessness of the bootlegger.
If bootleggers feared the law, they wouldn't be so open about what they
do. So the sad fact was that if JAILED wanted to accomplish anything,
they'd actually have to haul bootlegger after bootlegger into court and
take them the distance, which costs a great deal of money. I don't
think they were willing to make the investment.
>I am anti bootlegging, no problem there, but why not focus on all the
>Taiwan bootleg CDs, the Hong Kong bootleg Garage kits, and those
>people selling fansubs and bootleg dupes of pro tapes?
"People selling fansubs and bootleg pro-sub dupes" *are* the primary
target of JAILED, not fansubbers, as many have indicated. (Though I
remain convinced that scaring fansubbers into quitting would be
considered by JAILED to be a desirable side-effect.) As for the
foreign targets, they're simply too difficult to go after.
I also agree with another poster that JAILED may have accomplished more
with a high-profile advertising campaign to educate people about what
bootleggers really are and why you shouldn't buy from them.
Steve Harrison
In article <54hhl0$6...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
math...@ix.netcom.com(Ryan Mathews) wrote:
> In <tochiro-2110...@gra-mi2-07.ix.netcom.com>
> toc...@ix.netcom.com (Steve Harrison) writes:
> >
> >Somehow, I can't shake the feeling that the whole formation of JAILED
> >was a 'dog and pony' show, to give an impression of *one* company
> >doing major works to curb bootlegging, and the others were invited
> >along to lower the cost of doing it..
>
> This is just my opinion. I think the idea behind JAILED was that they
> would establish themselves, be big and visible, make a few impressive
> busts, and scare all the bootleggers into line (and maybe some
> fansubbers, too) without having to go to court too often.
Putting the Fear of God into the fans, because they are a cowardly lot? Huh..
:-)
>
> What they didn't count on was the basic fearlessness of the bootlegger.
> If bootleggers feared the law, they wouldn't be so open about what they
> do. So the sad fact was that if JAILED wanted to accomplish anything,
> they'd actually have to haul bootlegger after bootlegger into court and
> take them the distance, which costs a great deal of money. I don't
> think they were willing to make the investment.
Well, that's them clearly not understanding the nature of the problem,
then is it? I mean, the bootleg anime I see each year at the Chicago Comic
Con astonishes me....from what I can tell, I think *all* the anime cons
have a good solid 'no bootleg' policy, but go to a Trek con, or any comic
con..and look out! Bootleg city!
>
> >I am anti bootlegging, no problem there, but why not focus on all the
> >Taiwan bootleg CDs, the Hong Kong bootleg Garage kits, and those
> >people selling fansubs and bootleg dupes of pro tapes?
>
> "People selling fansubs and bootleg pro-sub dupes" *are* the primary
> target of JAILED, not fansubbers, as many have indicated. (Though I
> remain convinced that scaring fansubbers into quitting would be
> considered by JAILED to be a desirable side-effect.) As for the
> foreign targets, they're simply too difficult to go after.
But those are the very things harming legit importers...why pay big bucks
for an original Japanese CD if you can get a SM CD dirt cheap...*sigh* not
thinking clearly, I guess...
>
> I also agree with another poster that JAILED may have accomplished more
> with a high-profile advertising campaign to educate people about what
> bootleggers really are and why you shouldn't buy from them.
Also Agree...including ads in all the English Language anime magazines,
*and* english ads in the *Japanese* anime magazines....
That would have been a good thing, I think...