Square !! Is it TRUE !????
Helper Goddess Office
I read some posts on the internet and they were saying
that Square realease Final Fantasy VII UNFINISHED !!??
That's why Aerith can not be bought back from her death !
I can't believe it !! If that is the truth, I am really
pissed..
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It is...what do you think of Square's PSX deal now? Huh?
Falimortalis
Helper Goddess Office <god...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>I read some posts on the internet and they were saying
>that Square realease Final Fantasy VII UNFINISHED !!??
>That's why Aerith can not be bought back from her death !
>I can't believe it !! If that is the truth, I am really
>pissed..
>
Oh, no, not again...
Not AGAIN!
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Christopher Meston
Falimortalis wrote:
>
> Helper Goddess Office <god...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>
> >I read some posts on the internet and they were saying
> >that Square realease Final Fantasy VII UNFINISHED !!??
> >That's why Aerith can not be bought back from her death !
> >I can't believe it !! If that is the truth, I am really
> >pissed..
Actually, it is the truth. In the rush to get it out at the expected
time, they were unable to add in a subquest to revive Aerith. Whether it
is to be excluded in the U.S. version remains to be seen. I do believe
you are overreacting, however, and you can't discount her return in some
way in a sequel (even if it is merely a conversational reference).
Christopher Meston
aka the Neptune Ninja
and fiancee to Mina Aino
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Ev...@thepentagon.com
Lord of Darkness/Lord Magus wrote:
> It is...what do you think of Square's PSX deal now? Huh?
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I hate to bring it you your attention, I have finished FFVII and
although it was rather easy, I enjoyed it. The story however does not
seem to be incomplete. I understand Japanese completely and the
reasoning for Aerith's death is so that she becomes "one with the
planet". If you read the section where Tifa and Cloud are together on
the Highwind, Cloud points out that "maybe there is something out there
that is saying good job" or something like that. That something happens
to be Aerith. Also, most Japanese anime have people who die and don't
come back (Guld in Macross Plus, half of the character in X, Gundam
Char's Counter attack, etc.). This is nothing new which explains the
lack of complaints from in the Japanese newsgroups. If you disagree
please bring me proof. BTW, the story about the finished FMV but
unfinished code is BS. I have checked it out from certain friends of
mine who work at Squaresoft Japan and they assure me that there was
nothing left out. The only thing that I can find to substatiate the
story is that the pointer finger that appears when you hit select while
walking around was not implemented in the church.Give me more proof!!
Ev...@thePentagon.com
XFX
Joe Chan wrote:
> Troubling news, isn't it? Being a loyal Squaresoft fan, I was furious
> when I read the petition. I couldn't believe that Square would do
> give us an unfinished game. So, I started asking around and see if
> anybody
> has managed to get Aerith back. To my surprise, everybody referred to
> the Petition and said that Square released the game unfinished and
> blah, blah, blah, blah...............
>
> Unnecessary to say, I was very disappointed. Then I read the Petition
> over and over again. It says that the True, Full Ending was on the
> 3rd CD, and that it couldn't be accessed. So I put the 3rd CD into
> my CD-ROM and checked the disc with my computer. In the movie directory,
> there were 3 "endingX.mov" files, which were around 250 megabytes in
> total. Then I thought that the normal Ending I saw was the other 2
> smaller files, which were 50-60 meg big together. I wanted to see the
> full ending and began to convert the movie files to AVI format. Guess
> what, I found out that the 2nd movie file, the one which is 180 meg big
> and is believed to be the "True" ending, is the NORMAL ending. It IS the
> one which you get to see when you beat the game without bringing Aerith
> back to life.
>
> There are no other endings on the 3rd CD, there is only ONE!!!!!!!!!
> This means that this Lansing guy should not be believed. So, even you
> get a GameShark code which gives you Aerith back, you won't see a
> special ending anyway.
>
> So, here is the conclusion:
> * Aerith can NOT be revived.
> * Square didn't give us an unfinished game, Aerith is supposed to be
> dead.
> * There is only ONE ending, there's no other "True" ending. All 3 mov
> files, including that big one, are parts of the same ending.
> * Don't believe a word of that Lansing guy, Squaresoft is the #1
> games publisher on the planet.
>
> Well, that's it. If you have facts that prove I am wrong, please let me
> know by emailing at --> wc...@sn.no
>
> Now, if you haven't got FFVII, go get it. It is by far the best game
> on any platform. Later!
>
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What you say here is very valid, and yet I just want to explain. I've
been friends with Ben Lansing for quite a while, and he has brought up
some valid points. First things first, assuming it was removed, why
would Square still burn the other two endings onto the CD? But let's
forget that, and go into a few details. You know how Aerith's ghost
flickers and dissapears on Disc 3? Do you think that the way it
dissapears, or is even there, is intentional? It simply dissapears. It
does not fade out in any way whatsoever. And having known Lansing much
before he told us this, I fully believe him. He was limited until March
30 by his working for Square from legally telling us, so before he left
he tried to get the method and found this. I won't go into what, but he
had fully detailed the other two endings to me (They're very short, with
one just continuing into the regular ending) and that there was yet more
that was removed. Use the Gameshark, and you'll find strangely several
portraits. But even stranger is the fact that if you use the Gameshark
to get Aerith in your party after her death, she has her own dialog.
Think Square just made dialog for her later in the game for anyone who
used the Game Shark? I think not.
XFX
Yeung
It shows exactly how many people want to ress Aerith. While Squaresoft Japan
maybe on a tight schedule to meet the deadline and scrap some mini task. Now,
the US division has 6 months just to do the text conversion. I wonders WTF it
takes them so long to do it. In some part of internet community, rumors said
that the true Aerith ress is as follows:
Pop in the disc 2 and wait for the main menu. Change to disc 1 and after that
select the new game button. If u do it right, the intro will be death scene of
Aerith and some FMV will be missing. People said Cloud will block Seph sword and
Aerith won't die then in the final scene of disc 1.
Of couse this is rumour only. I guess ppl swapped too much and they still swap
even with the mod chip :> The plot of ff7 is linear and Aerith must die in disc
1 and I believe Squaresoft had plan to ress her in disc 2. And that is why In my
walkthru,tThere are 17 pink/independent Materia and one of them is "Breath in
Water". If time is available, why not add this ress plot in the game. Just think
about how many ppl who bought the import will buy this game again if the plot is
added...
Yeung
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:29:55 +0200, Joe Chan <wc...@sn.no> wrote:
>Falimortalis wrote:
>>
>> Helper Goddess Office <god...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >I read some posts on the internet and they were saying
>> >that Square realease Final Fantasy VII UNFINISHED !!??
>> >That's why Aerith can not be bought back from her death !
>> >I can't believe it !! If that is the truth, I am really
>> >pissed..
>> >
>> Oh, no, not again...
>> Not AGAIN!
>>
>> --
>
>First, my name is Joe Chan. I am the webmaster of "PlayStation Gamer",
>
>---> http://home.sn.no/~wchan/
>
>I own a copy of Final Fantasy VII, and I have played it to death.
>What I am going to tell you is about Aerith and her fate in FFVII and
>some corrections to the wild rumours which have been circuling on
>the net, rumours which hurt the reputation of Squaresoft.
>
>So, if you haven't got the game, are planning to get it, haven't read
>about Aerith's fate in other articles,
>
>DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER!!!!!
>The rest contains SPOILERS!!!!!!, which might ruin the game for you.
>(But you should probably read it anyway.)
>
>
>
>
>(this will be a rather long article, but please read through the whole
>thing, the most important info is found at the bottom).
>
>Before I go any further, what I am going to say won't make any sense
>unless you have seen the Final Fantasy VII petition which has been
>published on several websites. Here is the petition, just skip it if
>you have read it before.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>PETITION - Final Fantasy VII (US version)
>
>WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILER!
>
>I'm starting a petition concerning the rushed release of Final Fantasy
>VII and the hope that this will be fixed in the US version. Here it is:
>
>Squaresoft, in an effort to get Final Fantasy VII out in Japan on the
>deadline of January 31st, released the game unfinished. The true ending,
>while on the games 3rd CD, has been locked out, and important story
>elements were left unresolved. Information on the details of this have
>been supplied by Lansing, a former employee of Squaresoft who worked on
>the game, which comes to us via Miranda's Cafe Final Fantasy VII.
>
>"Oh no. They did it. I wouldn't have known, because I had access to the
>full set of FF7 info... but they did. I guess this means that I should
>have actually played through things to see if anything had changed,
>instead of getting tired of the game after translation purposes. I think
>everyone is gonna kill me for my insolence, because I really should have
>played through the game more fully before I said anything to make sure
>it was still possible."
>
>"Throughout the past few weeks, I, myself, have been wondering why
>people
>were having such a hard time reviving Aeris, because according to
>everything I saw through the scenario translation process, it could be
>done fairly easily. Here's the Aeris revival process, in full."
>
>"First off, throughout the game, you must make the logical choice of
>things to say to Aeris to indicate that you like her. You must never
>hurt her in any way by choice. What happens in scenarios, however,
>cannot be avoided (Aeris' beating by Cloud, for instance). Also, with
>the sick man. There is no medicine, but you could have Aeris tend to him
>and make him feel better, by learning about her heritage and returning
>to Midgar in the first CD. By doing this, the "GENERAL" as people call
>him, would trust you, and request you go buy his dying friend something
>from the store. A simple quest. After doing so, the GENERAL would tell
>you thanks, and that if there was anything else you need ever, to ask
>him for help. You then see a scene with his friend dying. A sad scene.
>:( "
>
>"Now, continue through the game as normal, and after Aeris dies, go on
>to
>the second CD. Once here, return to Midgar with the key from CD1, and
>the GENERAL will ask you where the nice girl (Aeris) is. You explain
>that she has died, by Sephiros, and that there is no hope in reviving
>her. There would be a chance, but only if you could go deep under the
>waters of the floating castle (where Aeris died). The GENERAL would tell
>you that he thinks he may be able to help, and to come back later. After
>this meeting, you were to go on to Aeris' church, where there would be a
>long scene with her spirit. If you had been nice to her, she would
>express a desire to return to help you. After doing this, return to the
>GENERAL, who would provide you with a Yellow materia that allowed the
>entire group to travel through water. With this, you could return to the
>floating palace, go up to Mr.Fish, and once you touched him, you would
>be transported under water, to a cavern, where, at the end, lay Aeris'
>orb/life essence. With this orb, Bugen Hagen could complete the ress
>process, and you could move on to a happier life with a neater ending."
>
>"Well, the FMVs were all completed on time, but a lot of coding was not.
>They then delayed the games release by a month (Dec -> Jan). However, it
>seemed that even by late December, the coding STILL wasn't finished, so
>Square told production to wrap it up quickly. In order to get the game
>out on time, SqJP sacrificed what could have been a miraculously better
>game than FF7... The main coding that was not finished dealt with
>manipulating the transparent polygon of Aeris' spirit in the church.
>Since they were forced to wrap production up to meet the many-delayed
>deadline, they had to stop with the Aeris process unfinished. So, to
>keep things from ever happening, they simply removed the one item that
>allowed any hint of the process to take place... The Key to Midgar, from
>the first CD. This completely stopped the ability to ressurect Aeris.
>HOWEVER, they left out the removal of one thing, and that was the
>split-second of seeing the ghost of Aeris once you return to the church.
>Unforunately, this, along with the insanely big size of the ending MOV,
>are the only hints to Aeris' existence that we have. Other than the
>original FF7 scriptline, from which all the above information came."
>
>"I ran across this info while talking to John H. (another temp like me)
>trying to get some US script from him for our channel's page. Also, Seph
>wanted it. I asked him if it would be alright for me to release the
>script info in an altered form, and to release info on gameplay, such as
>Aeris' death/ress. Then he told me the deadline story, and I almost had
>a heartattack. He said that the process can still be done to its
>completion, sans a couple of scenes, with the Game Shark, but until
>someone develops a MOV player that handles multiple sector files, the
>true ending will not be seen."
>
>"Oh, and about the ending... There were supposed to be scenes with the
>hidden characters, but things got cut short, so they weren't added, and
>the end of the ending was terrible, without even the typical "THE END"
>in the stars. This makes me wish I had left Square earlier than I did,
>realizing that deadlines and business are more important to them than
>the games. All they care about is money."
>
>This is saddening. People have been waiting for months for this game,
>only to find it was released unfinished and not as it was intended to
>be. Many long time Square fans will surely be unhappy to know that
>Square released an unfinished game on them, and may lose faith in the
>company. But there is still hope! The US version of Final Fantasy VII
>does not come out until September 7th, which is plenty of time for
>Square and Sony to add the true ending and Aerith's resurrection back
>into the game. If you want to play Final Fantasy VII as it was intended,
>join the petition to urge Square to fix this problem by sending mail to
>LElki...@aol.com. Also, tell your friends about the petition and urge
>them to sign, and contact as many gaming websites as you can to spread
>the word about this petition.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>EMAIL: James Elkins LEIki...@aol.com
>
>------------------------End of Petition ----------------------------
Joe Chan
Max C. Strini
In article <335ED3...@mlode.com>,
xtr...@mlode.com wrote:
> But even stranger is the fact that if you use the Gameshark
> to get Aerith in your party after her death, she has her own dialog.
> Think Square just made dialog for her later in the game for anyone who
> used the Game Shark? I think not.
Actually, the dialogue she has when you use the GS apparently
consists only of things she can say before she dies.
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Falimortalis
>to get Aerith in your party after her death, she has her own dialog.
>Think Square just made dialog for her later in the game for anyone who
>used the Game Shark? I think not.
> XFX
And this isn't rumor? She actually has her own dialogue?
Okaaaay, I am not fully convinced until I buy it and see for myself,
but,..
Either they were being very evil and created rumors intentionally, or
Aerith truly _WAS_ to join the party...
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! It is...what do you think of Square's PSX deal now? Huh?
Yes, you are the same people. Get over it. Leo died, She died.
Square kills off a few 'good' guys in most games. Tellah's daughter
in FF2us, Leo in FF3 US, Aerith in FF7. Face it. Square _Always_
kills off a good guy. If you have a problem with the 'Original'
'True' Japanese version then you can go fuck yourself, Because
I Want FF7 To be exactly the same game here in the US. I don't
want the plot 'toned down' or changed. I just want it in english.
That is the only change I find acceptable.
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Ookaze BioACobol
Le Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:32:35 les sens d'Ookaze furent réveillés par Helper
Goddess Office à propos de "Re: Square !! Is it TRUE !???":
>
> I read some posts on the internet and they were saying
> that Square realease Final Fantasy VII UNFINISHED !!??
> That's why Aerith can not be bought back from her death !
> I can't believe it !! If that is the truth, I am really
> pissed..
It's false.
All the proof for this are false.
Before believing such a thing, wait for someone who has good proofs of it.
I promised to never believe the 'bullshit' said in this newsgroup, and so
I thouht like you. Then I've said it, a lot of people told me it was true,
so I finished believing it. But now, I've regained my mind : IT IS NOT TRUE.
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Sammael
Ookaze BioACobol <ook...@hol.fr> wrote:
>Le Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:32:35 les sens d'Ookaze furent réveillés par Helper
>Goddess Office à propos de "Re: Square !! Is it TRUE !???":
>>
>> I read some posts on the internet and they were saying
>> that Square realease Final Fantasy VII UNFINISHED !!??
>> That's why Aerith can not be bought back from her death !
>> I can't believe it !! If that is the truth, I am really
>> pissed..
>It's false.
>All the proof for this are false.
>Before believing such a thing, wait for someone who has good proofs of it.
>I promised to never believe the 'bullshit' said in this newsgroup, and so
>I thouht like you. Then I've said it, a lot of people told me it was true,
>so I finished believing it. But now, I've regained my mind : IT IS NOT TRUE.
There is no proof, so you're right it's probably some nintendo fanatic
who wants to destroy Square's reputation because Square decided to
release FF VII on the PSX.
Sammael