The Worst Cartoons to Ever be Made
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Derek Janssen
>
> In <7n5hgj$a7b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, tumm...@my-deja.com writes:
> >This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
> >stories, voice work, etc.
>
The traditional response--But what of second place (seeing as how
"Hammerman" has so dominated our consciousness for years as "The Worst",
it's stifled our creativity to choose...)?
Leaving aside the years of retro-kitsch Spumco-wannabes (including
Disney and CN, which are bad, yes, but in a whole other generation and
category of awful...) for Classic/Vintage Worst, surely, something from
Lou Scheimer Filmation would have to qualify?:
What about those inexplicable, jaw-dropping little aberrations they
produced for "Uncle Croc's Block"?
Derek Janssen
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Bob mackey
<tumm...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7n5hgj$a7b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
> stories, voice work, etc.
This made me think... Everyone always said the TV Series "Bonkers" was
horrible. I never thought it was horrible just mediocre, but some episodes
had their moments. I also heard about a big dispute with the director of
this show, which is why half of the episodes go in a different direction
with new characters. I'd really like to see more episodes of Darkwing Duck
and TaleSpin.
-Bob
"Have you been watching that 'Bonkers' show?"
-Slappy Squirrel
Akira
> >stories, voice work, etc.
>
> Kerry
>
Every episode of that show had what; two... three drawings per second?
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> This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
> stories, voice work, etc.
No discussion needed... Hulk Hogan's Rock n Wrestling was the
worst animated show ever made. Not only was it poorly made,
they wouldn't even allow the characters to wrestle. Completely
pointless.
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>stories, voice work, etc.
Kerry
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i'm not mistaken the point the show tries to get thruogh is that u can
make a difference. So why do they have to call that silver moron
everything they see a main bad guy? Cant they defeat him themselves? N
the art... prrrtt.....not to mention the dialogue.....
pa...@my-deja.com
Derek Janssen <dja...@ultranet.com> wrote:
> for Classic/Vintage Worst, surely, something from
> Lou Scheimer Filmation would have to qualify?:
> What about those inexplicable, jaw-dropping little aberrations they
> produced for "Uncle Croc's Block"?
What do you mean? "Wacky and Packy", "Fraidy Cat", and
especially "MUSH" ruled! With the bad puns, recycled animation and
repetitive music, how could any put these on their worst list?
Danger X
> stories, voice work, etc.
>
How about Fantastic Max? or Magic School Bus?
Or... *shudder* the Scooby Doo/Richie Rich show?
Kyle
Derek Janssen
>
> > This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
> > stories, voice work, etc.
>
> How about Fantastic Max? or Magic School Bus?
Hey, I LIKED Magic School Bus!--
(Scripted by former "Fraggle Rock" writer Jocelyn Stevenson)
Now, "Mythic Warriors", OTOH....
Derek Janssen
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Danger X
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Hmmm... Okay, I'll rephrase the question. How about Fantastic Max? or Simon
in the Land of Chalkdrawings?
There! (i hope...)
Kyle
Kip Williams
of 70s, 80s and 90s TV cartoons, I still think "Bucky and Pepito" is the
worst.
Consider: the theme song sounds like it's being made up as it goes
along. The characters float, rather than walk, all the voices are done
by the same guy (probably the one singing the theme song), Pepito is a
dumb, lazy stereotype, and Bucky is a blank-eyed airhead. The animation
is more along the lines of still pictures being moved across the field
of vision.
It is hard to choose between this and 'Clutch Cargo,' but I think Clutch
was actually the better show.
--
--Kip Williams
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Bruce L Grubb
> This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
> stories, voice work, etc.
Scooby Doo after somebody got the bright idea of adding Scrappy Doo.
Bruce L Grubb
> If u want to talk about a pointless show, what about Captain Planet. If
> i'm not mistaken the point the show tries to get thruogh is that u can
> make a difference. So why do they have to call that silver moron
> everything they see a main bad guy? Cant they defeat him themselves? N
> the art... prrrtt.....not to mention the dialogue.....
Never mind that most of the villians come off as belonging in a nuthouse.
Only Greedly and Plunder are remotely plausable villians while the rest
come off as LoD rejects.
Chris Sobieniak
<<What do you mean? "Wacky and Packy", "Fraidy Cat", and especially
"MUSH" ruled! With the bad puns, recycled animation and repetitive
music, how could any put these on their worst list?>>
So that's who animated those "Fraidy Cat" toons. I've recently found a
video nearby at a Family VIdeo location that had these toons on, but
didn't had any info or whatever on which studio produced it, though I
guessed well off that it was Filmation while watching it. I'm glad I've
never did watch any of these toons growing up.
Chris S.
Bill Newkirk
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>> This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
>> stories, voice work, etc.
>>
>
>How about Fantastic Max? or Magic School Bus?
>
Lea & Flash
Flash
Danger X
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> some of the Fantasic Max eps were pretty good, i think...
>
Must retool the question, I see.
*after some time at the drawing board...*
OK, how about Simon in the Land of Chalkdrawings? and Problem Child?
Kyle
David Crowe
I hearby nominate the "Fred & Barney meet the Thing" show. You have the
Fred & Barney as cops and the Thing becoming a teenager mentally and
physically, somehow turning back with "Thing Rings." The two sets of
characters meet to tell lame jokes to each other. Why?
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Opencity
Totally crude, without any redeeming entertainment value whatsoever. Why did
they even bother?
tbr...@trinity.edu
violence, sex, and nudity in some recent films. The website is:
http://www.koaa.com/movieindex/movie_library.asp
The library dates back to 1996, but isn't all that comprehensive. Still,
it's good to see how South Park stands up to Simon Birch :)
I got a kick out of reading Saving Private Ryan's stats, myself.
Terrence Briggs, who just remembered how harsh Tarzan was
Peace to you...
tbr...@trinity.edu
Derek Janssen <dja...@ultranet.com> wrote:
> Danger X wrote:
> >
> > > This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
> > > stories, voice work, etc.
> >
> > How about Fantastic Max? or Magic School Bus?
>
> (Scripted by former "Fraggle Rock" writer Jocelyn Stevenson)
And boasting the vocal talents of Lily Tomlin on helium...
> Now, "Mythic Warriors", OTOH....
Good god, almighty! This one is legendary! And the three-month delay was
because of WHAT exactly?! Nelvana, you and your "complicated animation
techniques" rock the hizzouse.
Seeing as how you took one of my votes, I'll throw in a safe vote for Street
Sharks -- even though I did see ONE episode that featured competent TV
animation.
Terrence Briggs
Arnold Kim
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>If u want to talk about a pointless show, what about Captain Planet. If
>i'm not mistaken the point the show tries to get thruogh is that u can
>make a difference. So why do they have to call that silver moron
>everything they see a main bad guy? Cant they defeat him themselves? N
>the art... prrrtt.....not to mention the dialogue.....
True. I gotta admit, though,I was surprised they had the balls to
pull off that anti drug episode.
As usual, preachy as ever, but still...
Arnold Kim
never thought he'd see someone die from drug addiction on a saturday
morning cartoon...
Enrique Conty
Arnold Kim <ki...@erols.com> wrote:
>never thought he'd see someone die from drug addiction on a saturday
>morning cartoon...
Not only can people die from drug addiction in Saturday Morning
cartoons, for a while it was the *only* way people could die in
that venue. Now that's sick.
Wasn't there an episode of Bravestarr (of all things!) that had
some kid die from drugs or something? All I remember is
Bravestarr crying at the end of it.
--
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ELurio
eric l.
Akira
>
> This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
> stories, voice work, etc.
>
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
How about anything bearing Ralph Bakshi's name, excluding the Mighty Mouse
series that came out in the late 80's?
Kip Williams
but that's not why I responded to the posting. Opencity asked why they
bothered. It's probably because Gene Deitch had a hot reputation as an
up-and-coming animator. He had gone to ...whawuzzit, Czechoslovakia?...
to work with Jiri Trnka, and they made a highly regarded version of THE
EMPEROR'S NIGHTINGALE.
At that time, critics were making a virtue of necessity. Animation was
turning from an industry of Disney followers to an industry of UPA
followers, partly because it could cost less, partly as a reaction to
years of lavish animation. The spartan look of limited animation
(especially the more experimental Terrytoons) were hailed as a breath of
fresh air.
Now of course, they're just part of the air that was around when I was
growing up, and the freshness has worn off somewhat. Certainly, the T&Js
he did aren't lavishly animated, and the characters don't look the same
way as they did when Hanna and Barbera were doing them. But at least I
don't find them as smug and cutesy as most of the Chuck Jones versions!
(And before anyone asks, I don't really hate them either... big ball o'
mush, that's me.) I put in some years detesting both of them, but
eventually decided that I liked a couple of the Deitches and one or two
of the Joneses.
Kip Williams
> How about anything bearing Ralph Bakshi's name, excluding the Mighty Mouse
> series that came out in the late 80's?
Ah! A critic with discerning taste! Yes, Sad Cat ("...the dreariest
animated character..." --Maltin) was his, as were the forgettable James
Hound and the endlessly padded Mighty Heroes, with something like sixty
seconds of schtick repeated in each and every episode! (Though I must
admit, their appearance in the Mighty Mouse series made up for their
lameness in their own show.) In fact, had this discussion been on the
worst animated feature ever, I would already have nominated the "Wonder
Boy" for his outstanding job in crapping out WIZARDS.
CZmushroom
New Kids on the Block as a cartoon. 'Nuff said.
Stephen W. Worth
> Akira wrote:
> > How about anything bearing Ralph Bakshi's name, excluding the Mighty Mouse
> > series that came out in the late 80's?
>
> Ah! A critic with discerning taste! Yes, Sad Cat ("...the dreariest
> animated character..." --Maltin) was his, as were the forgettable James
> Hound and the endlessly padded Mighty Heroes, with something like sixty
> seconds of schtick repeated in each and every episode!
I think Ralph only directed one or two Mighty Mouse cartoons
at Terry. Most of his attention was directed to The Mighty
Heroes series. I like that show, and I think Heavy Traffic and
Coonskin are among the best animated features of that era.
ErnieChan9
erniechan9
Danger X
ErnieChan9 <ernie...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> What about those Gary Coleman and Macauly Culkin(sp?) cartoons?
>
>
> erniechan9
Gee, thanks! I had finally managed to suppress all memory of those... ^_^
Is it possible, on purpose, to concoct a more vile creation than these?
Wasn't there a Mr.T cartoon at one point?
Just another question. Anybody else remember the Karate Kid cartoon (early
90s) from years back, and how the opening animation (though well done)
copied a short segment from the anime' Sherlock Holmes (called Sherlock
Hound) where the car drives off a cliff and they're rescued by someone in a
plane?
Just wondering,
Kyle
Kip Williams
> I think Ralph only directed one or two Mighty Mouse cartoons
> at Terry. Most of his attention was directed to The Mighty
> Heroes series. I like that show, and I think Heavy Traffic and
> Coonskin are among the best animated features of that era.
To each his own, within reason. I have yet to see anything directed by
Bakshi that I liked. Even the "New Adventures of Mighty Mouse" that he
directed were lame compared to the rest of the series.
I have a copy of STREETFIGHT (they retitled COONSKIN in a moment of
sensitivity) but all I remember from it... hmmm, I watched it and don't
really remember a thing except some blonde with big hooters, and the
reason I remember that is probably because someone talked about the
movie in an article in ANIMANIA (the same issue with my first published
article, "Ralph Bakshi: An American Unoriginal").
John Isles, iv
list is "South Park", "Cow & Chicken", and most every computer-animated
series to air. But the worst of late is the "Voltron: The 3rd Dimension".
If I were to say that V3D was of the typical "spectacular computer
animation, but little, if any, plot", I'd only be half-right (sadly, the
latter half is the half that's right). The motion-captured animation,
ahem...
BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWS!!!
From the only episode I saw of it-- and thank GOD it was the only one I
saw-- this was state-of-the-art? State-of-the-art crap is more
appropriate. The sword fight looked made-up-- the swords BARELY touching
each other-- and one scene where a character's elbow just scrapes a wall
gently, it caused an earthquake. Whose idea of crap was this? Hmm?
Only one thing prevents V3D from complete worthlessness: Tim Curry. Still
V3D is nothing more than a waste of X gigabytes of audiovisual data.
--
From the computer of John Isles, iv-...@as.net
Made with Macintosh, the ORIGINAL Windows.
"Read my lips: No new taxes. You know, it's funny, but if you JUST read
my lips, you'd think I'm saying, `No nude actresses'."
--Ben Stein, game show host/actor
Me and my mother during a trip to Arizona in June, while stopping in
Laughlin, NV, one night:
-Me: "I've never been to a real Nevada buffet before."
-Mom: "That's because you've never been to a real Nevada before."
Akira
>
> In article <7na3t3$8d9$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>,
> Arnold Kim <ki...@erols.com> wrote:
> >never thought he'd see someone die from drug addiction on a saturday
> >morning cartoon...
>
> Not only can people die from drug addiction in Saturday Morning
> cartoons, for a while it was the *only* way people could die in
> that venue. Now that's sick.
>
Sometimes I think the makers themselves of some of the Saturday morning cartoons
are suffering from drug addiction. :)
Akira
>
> What about those Gary Coleman and Macauly Culkin(sp?) cartoons?
>
> erniechan9
I have a vague memory of that Gary Coleman cartoon, where he was an angel flying
around. Now *there's* a mental picture that you don't need. :) IIRC, that show
was based on some TV movie with the exact same premise.
Akira
>
> I hearby nominate the "Fred & Barney meet the Thing" show. You have the
> Fred & Barney as cops and the Thing becoming a teenager mentally and
> physically, somehow turning back with "Thing Rings." The two sets of
> characters meet to tell lame jokes to each other. Why?
>
> --
Do you also remember when Fred & Barney (as cops) were teemed up with The
Shmoo? Miscasting abound.
tbr...@trinity.edu
> In article <u89m3.241$1V....@198.235.216.4>,
"Danger X" <gal...@efni.com> wrote:
>
> ErnieChan9 <ernie...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19990723200739...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
The Gary Coleman Show and Wishkid, respectively.
> > erniechan9
>
> Gee, thanks! I had finally managed to suppress all memory of
those... ^_^
> Is it possible, on purpose, to concoct a more vile creation than
these?
More on that in a bit...
> Wasn't there a Mr.T cartoon at one point?
Yup. Aired for at least a year on NBC. I managed to salvage one
episode by the name of "The 100-Year-Old Mystery". Written by Flint
Dille. Alvin and the Chipmunks art style (remember their cross-over
episode?) animated at about 8 FPS. Pro-social messages sprinkled
amongst the action. Didn't strike me as HORRIBLE, and infinitely more
watchable than most of the Scooby Doo episodes I've seen.
> Just another question. Anybody else remember the Karate Kid cartoon
(early
> 90s) from years back, and how the opening animation (though well done)
> copied a short segment from the anime' Sherlock Holmes (called
Sherlock
> Hound) where the car drives off a cliff and they're rescued by
someone in a
> plane?
I recognize the existence of series, and some of the title song, but
little else. Aired after Captain N (another worthless waste) on NBC
Saturday mornings. Can't comment on the Sherlock Hound connection...
And in my zeal to slam Mythic Warriors and Street Sharks (which are
both horrendous but still redeemable in small ways), I forgot to
mention the most repulsive work in a good decade: Donkey Kong Country.
Fox Kids aired an episode of the series this morning (a show
essentially banned by American distributors until its entry into the
Fox Family channel lineup, despite playing for years in Europe and
being in the works for the USA Network).
Ugly, incompetent art and animation years behind Reboot (character
dialogue consists of eyes bulging open and heads convulsing). Horrible
lip sync (even for a show that's supposed to play internationally).
Simple-minded characters. Musical numbers. This garbage wouldn't play
in the "dark ages" of the 1970s and 80s, much less with today's
standards for artistic and aesthetic quality. Perhaps the first
animated show in recent memory worthy of an all-around [F].
Check it out, and see how long you last.
Terrence Briggs, putting toy commercials in a whole new light
Peace to you...
Matthew Couris
Bob mackey wrote:
I'd really like to see more episodes of Darkwing Duck and TaleSpin.
I agree, man. TaleSpin ruled. Got every episode.
Matt
John Isles, iv
following:
-Animaniacs: At the time, new episodes came out like frozen molasses.
-The Critic: Underrated by many, but still one of the funniest.
-Freakasoid!: A great show that lasted only two seasons.
-Ren & Stimpy, 1994-5: They rubbed me the wrong way; I didn't care for
Billy West as Ren.
-Sonic the Hedgehog, Saturday morning: No 3rd season to continue the story.
David Crowe
: ErnieChan9 wrote:
: >
: > What about those Gary Coleman and Macauly Culkin(sp?) cartoons?
: >
: > erniechan9
: I have a vague memory of that Gary Coleman cartoon, where he was an angel flying
: around. Now *there's* a mental picture that you don't need. :) IIRC, that show
: was based on some TV movie with the exact same premise.
And as conclusive proof there is no God, the Gary Coleman show is
currently airing on Cartoon Network.
DicksonDL
Country.
Fox Kids aired an episode of the series this morning (a show essentially banned
by American distributors until its entry into the Fox Family channel lineup,
despite playing for years in Europe and
being in the works for the USA Network).
Terrence Briggs, putting toy commercials in a whole new light >>
I might be wrong about this since I never watched a single episode, but I seem
to remember that there was a cartoon about flying Rubics cubes (back in the
70's? About the same time the Smurfs were on). Anyway, I can't say how bad the
show might have been, but I sure can surmise that is was a bad premise for a
cartoon. Heck, the Smurfs were bad enough.
Anyone remember seeing anything like this?
Duane
Derek Janssen
>
> << I forgot to mention the most repulsive work in a good decade: Donkey Kong
> Country.>>
>
> to remember that there was a cartoon about flying Rubics cubes (back in the
> 70's? About the same time the Smurfs were on). Anyway, I can't say how bad the
> show might have been, but I sure can surmise that is was a bad premise for a
> cartoon.
You're referring to the E.T. plaigiarism "Rubik, the Amazing Cube", and
the fact that Terrence's post reminded you of it means you've got your
various Donkey Kong series mixed up:
There was an early-80's cartoon version of the 16-bit arcade Donkey Kong
and Jr. (with Soupy Sales as the voice of Kong, IIRC) at the same time
as "Rubik"--circa 1983 or so--but we're talkin' a WHOLE different
generation:
With "Country", think "Bad 3-D N64 Game-Intro Animation:the Series"...
Derek Janssen
dja...@ultranet.com
stanlee
> << I forgot to mention the most repulsive work in a good decade: Donkey Kong
> Country.
> Fox Kids aired an episode of the series this morning (a show essentially banned
> by American distributors until its entry into the Fox Family channel lineup,
> despite playing for years in Europe and
> being in the works for the USA Network).
> SNIP
> Terrence Briggs, putting toy commercials in a whole new light >>
>
> I might be wrong about this since I never watched a single episode, but I seem
> to remember that there was a cartoon about flying Rubics cubes (back in the
> 70's? About the same time the Smurfs were on). Anyway, I can't say how bad the
> show might have been, but I sure can surmise that is was a bad premise for a
> cartoon. Heck, the Smurfs were bad enough.
>
> Anyone remember seeing anything like this?
>
Are you talking about Rubik?
Laters. =)
Stan
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Terrence Briggs, putting toy commercials in a whole new light >> >>
hey, Linus the Lion Hearted was a half hour long cereal commercial, and the
Kelloggs crew was in the opening of the Huckleberry Hound show. I'm still
trying to find a copy of the Chester Cheetah pilot.
eric l.
pa...@my-deja.com
chrism...@webtv.net (Chris Sobieniak) wrote:
> Last time, pa...@my-deja.com:
> <<What do you mean? "Wacky and Packy", "Fraidy Cat", and especially
> "MUSH" ruled! With the bad puns, recycled animation and repetitive
> music, how could any put these on their worst list?>>
>
> So that's who animated those "Fraidy Cat" toons. I've recently found
a
> video nearby at a Family VIdeo location that had these toons on, but
> didn't had any info or whatever on which studio produced it, though I
> guessed well off that it was Filmation while watching it. I'm glad
I've
> never did watch any of these toons growing up.
>
I recently picked up the same tape really cheap and didn't realize that
it was the Filmation show from the cover illustrations (and from the
lack of studio info.). As far as Filmation shows goes, it definately
wasn't one of their best. I don't remember Uncle Croc's Block from
Saturday mornings, but I had seen the MUSH, Fraidy Cat, and Wacky and
Packy bits in the early 80s when they were put in a syndication package
called Groovie Goolies and Friends.
pa...@my-deja.com
Akira <Ak...@No.Spam.clark.net> wrote:
> tumm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of
animation,
> > stories, voice work, etc.
> >
> How about anything bearing Ralph Bakshi's name, excluding the Mighty
Mouse
> series that came out in the late 80's?
Didn't Bakshi work on the Spiderman series from the 60s. I really
enjoyed some of the later episodes that used the abstract, almost
psychedelic backgrounds.
Even though I don't like them as much as I did when I was a kid, the
Mighty Heroes can be fun at times. .
pa...@my-deja.com
Mighty Mouse
> > series that came out in the late 80's?
>
> animated character..." --Maltin) was his
Does anyone know if any of the Sad Cat cartoons were included in any of
the Terry video compilations that were released in the 80s? I haven't
seen any of the Sad Cats (or Hashimoto Sans) since the late 70s/early
80s when one of the local independent stations would use Terrytoons as
fillers between showings of old Three Stooges shorts.
If I remember correctly, Bakshi once said in an interview that the Sad
Cat character was one of the first gay characters in cartoons. Anyone
know if this is true?
Blame Canada!!!
> And as conclusive proof there is no God, the Gary Coleman show is
> currently airing on Cartoon Network.
Yeah, but it's on at what....2 or 3 in the morning? I think it's only
there as a reminder that it's fucking late and you should turn off the TV
and go to bed! .....or be TORTURED!
Greg
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Blame Canada!!!
> There was an early-80's cartoon version of the 16-bit arcade Donkey Kong
> and Jr. (with Soupy Sales as the voice of Kong, IIRC) at the same time
> as "Rubik"--circa 1983 or so--but we're talkin' a WHOLE different
> generation:
> With "Country", think "Bad 3-D N64 Game-Intro Animation:the Series"...
Hate to be picky ,but I do not think the early 80's Donkey Kong arcade
game was a 16-bit machine.....hehe.
Sith Ranma
I happen to find Bakshi's film repetoire delving between so-so to classic
material, despite how his techniques have come under attack. Lord of the Rings
is still my fave of all... not many live ation fantasy films can stand up
against it (you gotta admit that at least, c'mon... Conan the Destroyer? Yor?
Dragonheart? Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves? Not even...)
Oh, and I have all of you beat (secondary to Hammerman) with my winner of the
Worst Animated Series Ever: TRANZOR Z!!! I never thought anime could approach
a "horrible" status until I laid eyes upon this badly executed rip off of
Gigantor. Now I'm on my guard, thanx to that mess.
Everytime I think of all the shows everyone has mentioned (most being right on
the money), I think to myself what I would've done with those wasted budgets
and animation crews. I bet you're all thinking what you could do with that
power as well... @(^.^)@
Derek Janssen
>
> If I remember correctly, Bakshi once said in an interview that the Sad
> Cat character was one of the first gay characters in cartoons. Anyone
> know if this is true?
Sounds like just more Bakshi off-the-cuff Terry-bashing--
After all, 'toon fans only bash Terrytoons for fun, but this guy's got a
personal grudge match.
Besides, if Sad really *was* the first gay toon, what does that make
Snagglepuss?...
Derek Janssen (kidding!--just KIDDING!)
dja...@ultranet.com
DYoung
<tbr...@trinity.edu> wrote in message news:7na5q7$put$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Thought you all might get a kick out of the statistical breakdowns for
> violence, sex, and nudity in some recent films. The website is:
>
> http://www.koaa.com/movieindex/movie_library.asp
Try out this one, if you thought the above link was a hoot!
Kip Williams
> Didn't Bakshi work on the Spiderman series from the 60s. I really
> enjoyed some of the later episodes that used the abstract, almost
> psychedelic backgrounds.
Yes, that was Ralph Bakshi. I spoke to Vincent DiFate at a convention
once, and he said he (DiFate) did a lot of the work on the show. He was
hired as a background artist, but they discovered he could draw people.
"When you shake hands with Ralph Bakshi," he told me, "count your
fingers afterward."
Kip Williams
>
> Yikes, mighty harsh, ain'cha Kip? Oh well.
As I said, to each his own...
tbr...@trinity.edu
You're right! This one is the new king!
I'll save y'all some trouble (and save Capalet some hits) which a few
notables.
On a Capscore scale of 0-100, Mary Poppins gets 100. "Spawned from the pits
of hell" South Park gets a 26, Basketball Diaries a 15, and Natural Born
Killers a 12.
On the CAP ID scale, where 0 is Mary Poppins, South park is worth a 10 -- the
highest rating ever for a film in their database. Of course, their reviewers
have walked out on a number of flicks, including Belly and 200 Cigarettes.
Terrence "wondering what Birth of a Nation would get" Briggs
Peace to you...
Stephen W. Worth
> Didn't Bakshi work on the Spiderman series from the 60s.
Ralph just sold the show and came up with a couple of the stories.
Cosmo Anzilotti and Marty Taras were the ones who really ran
the show.
See ya
Steve
Visit Spumco's Wonderful World of Cartoons:
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Dog
ignoring the character Loyal Heart Dog.He`s a really cool looking little
Care Bear Cousin Dog but he was ignored by the makers of the show,movies
and toyline.He can only be seen as a background character in the movies
and while a Plush Toy was made of him few were produced.I do have a tiny
plastic attatchable figure of him though
The Dogs are My People.To The Power Of The Pack!!!!!
Justin Lee Massengale
On 25 Jul 1999, DicksonDL wrote:
> I might be wrong about this since I never watched a single episode, but I seem
> to remember that there was a cartoon about flying Rubics cubes (back in the
> 70's? About the same time the Smurfs were on). Anyway, I can't say how bad the
> show might have been, but I sure can surmise that is was a bad premise for a
> cartoon. Heck, the Smurfs were bad enough.
Oh yes. It was the 80's to be exact. Rubik the Amazing Cube. First
suburban Hispanic family in a TV toon!
- Justin
Rich T
Scooby Doo is replaced with a Curly Howard voiced blue shark? (shudder of
revulsion)
Rich T
tumm...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7n5hgj$a7b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
>stories, voice work, etc.
>
>
Derek Janssen
>
> What could be worse than that abomination (I don't know the name) where
> Scooby Doo is replaced with a Curly Howard voiced blue shark? (shudder of
> revulsion)
Worse?--Well, how about if the abovementioned Jabberjaw was in a ska
band?
Derek Janssen (if CN is to be believed...)
dja...@ultranet.com
Derek Janssen
>
> Oh yes. It was the 80's to be exact. Rubik the Amazing Cube. First
> suburban Hispanic family in a TV toon!
Have we had another one since?
Well,......no--But they were the first!
Derek Janssen (okay, call me insane, but some part of me now wants to
see Rubik back on CN's rerun backwaters...)
dja...@ultranet.com
Bruce L Grubb
wrote:
> tumm...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7n5hgj$a7b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >This is a discussion of bad animated t.v. shows in terms of animation,
> >stories, voice work, etc.
> What could be worse than that abomination (I don't know the name) where
> Scooby Doo is replaced with a Curly Howard voiced blue shark? (shudder of
> revulsion)
Jabberjaw was pathetic but it had nothing to do with Scooby Doo. It
rather was one of the many Josie and the Pussycats formula shows that were
put out.
As for what could be worse than Jabberjaw how about taking Scoobby Doo and
adding the ideas of
1) giving Scobby Doo a nephew (Scrappy) who said 'Ta Ta Ta Ta Ta Ta
Puppy Power' about every minute.
2) Then a season or so later eliminate the gang and have Scooby,
Shaggy, and Scrappy run into real ghosts and monsters. Scooby
and Shaggy try to run from the ghost or monsters while Scappy
tries to attack it.
3) After that fiasco try to return to the old mystery format with Daphne
but only have the mystery last 12 minutes.
4) Since that idea didn't work lets have Scooby, Shaggy, Scrappy, Daphne,
and new character called Flim Flam do a Real Ghostbuster thing with
Vincent Van Ghoul (voiced by Vincent Price) heading the operation
in a mess called the 13 Ghosts of Scobby Doo.
5) Finally after watching 13 Ghosts of Scobby Doo do a bellyflop
lets give Scooby and the gang the Flinstone Kid treatment. As an
added bonues let have the animation done in the style of the
Slimer episodes of the Real Ghostbuster's 3rd season, make Daphne
increabably vain, Fred about as deductive as a cinderblock, and Velma
the ability to pull out a huge computer ala Tex Avery. Then top off
the whole idea with scripts and mysteries of inconsitant quality.
Franklin Harris
"Hammerman."
--
Franklin Harris
Pulp Culture Online
www.pulpculture.net
Richard Hudson
>What could be worse than that abomination (I don't know the name) where
>Scooby Doo is replaced with a Curly Howard voiced blue shark? (shudder of
>revulsion)
That would be Jabberjaw. And to me it seemed like a bad ripoff of Josie and the
Pussycats In Outer Space than Scooby Doo.
File this one under "Bad Cartoon with themes to make your ears bleed."
RIchard "I actually watched 15 minutes of this show, (in three seperate
sittings) before hating it" Hudson
Snifit 3
<dja...@ultranet.com> wrote:
>Worse?--Well, how about if the abovementioned Jabberjaw was in a ska
>band?
Oh, come on. That was just a silly -- and extremely well-done --
promo. The song, animation, plot, concept, and Jabberjaw redesign were
all great.
-Peter Destructo
"I got some nasty mail about this strip. Some readers thought it was
inexcusable to show a kid fantasize about bombing his school off the
face of the earth. Apparently some of my readers were never kids
themselves." - Bill Watterson, The Calvin and Hobbes Tenth Anniversary
Book (p. 94)
"Break stuff" - Fred Durst
Richard Hudson
The Gary Coleman Show
Oh GEEZ what a stupid plot. Gary Coleman as an angel. Just another way to
squeeze a few more bucks out of his popularity in the 80's
Speed Racer. Possibly the single WORST
anime of all time, if it is really anime.
Princess Gwenivere and the Jewel Riders.
Bad Sailor moon ripoff that has caused manyy a cavity and cases of insulin
shock.
The super Globetrotters. A ripoff of The Impossibles thta happened to be just
as bad if not WORSE then the original.
And folks the Impossibles stink on ice.
Most of the dozens of Scooby Doo Sequels/Ripoffs ect. Hanna-Barbera managed to
make hundreds of episodes of
cartoons and millions of dollars on ONE STUPID PLOT!
The Superfriends. I just HATE Wendy, MArvin and their stupid DOG.
THE NEW SPEED RACER! Not even anime plus no story or plotline whatsoever.
Horrible. Just horrible
ANd finally
Voltron the third Dimention.
WHY did World Events take a pretty good
anime and turn it into a bunch of badly
CGI crap. THe blazing sword scene is a pale ripoff of the originals, the what
the characters move is terrible and the fact that they would make Zarcon the
second im command of the Galaxy alliance AND
have the Alliance destroy Voltron, which they dont even own because of Lothor's
threats.
Stupid Stupid Stupid!
Oh and I could rant on and ON about Histeria. Its the single most unfunny
cartoon that Warner Brothers has ever produced.
More later gotta eat
Richard Hudson
Richard Hudson
>How about Fantastic Max?
I sorta liked it. There was almost always something better to watch but it
was;nt too bad.
Magic School Bus?
Just do what I do and say that Mrs Frizzle is a Time Lord like the Doctor and
the bus is her TARDIS.
>Or... *shudder* the Scooby Doo/Richie Rich show?
Never Liked that brat.
Richard Hudson
Richard Hudson
>i'm not mistaken the point the show tries to get thruogh is that u can
>make a difference. So why do they have to call that silver moron
>everything they see a main bad guy? Cant they defeat him themselves? N
>the art... prrrtt.....not to mention the dialogue.....
>
Please explain the things about Captain Planet if it is at all possible.
WHy are half the characters either some kind of muntant and/or deformed for no
reason at all?
Why is the Ameican kid ALWAYS made to look like the stupid,insensite
loudmouthed jerk of the bunch.
Why did most of the villans want to pollute the planet.
Greedly and Plunder did it for money and
Duke Nukem did for the radiation but were the other just nuts?
Why are the later season SOOOOO much worse that the original episodes.
Thank you
RIchard Hudson
Richard Hudson
>Fred & Barney as cops and the Thing becoming a teenager mentally and
>physically, somehow turning back with "Thing Rings." The two sets of
>characters meet to tell lame jokes to each other. Why?
>
>
More importantly, WHY would Marvel let
H-B do this to one of their most famous characters.?
Richard Hudson
Richard Hudson
>New Kids on the Block as a cartoon. 'Nuff said.
I remember that stupid little dog they had as a pet and vaugely remember some
bad
life action sequences. Thankfully i've forgotten the rest.
Until now!
Thanks!
Richard "Oh the pain, the terrible terrible PAIN!" Hudson
Richard Hudson
>> What about those Gary Coleman and Macauly Culkin(sp?) cartoons?
>>
>>
>> erniechan9
>
>Gee, thanks! I had finally managed to suppress all memory of those... ^_^
>Is it possible, on purpose, to concoct a more vile creation than these?
>
Oh yes. I've seen a few that were worse.
>Wasn't there a Mr.T cartoon at one point?
>
Very short lived. Another crappy Ruby-Spears show.
>Just another question. Anybody else remember the Karate Kid cartoon (early
>90s) from years back, and how the opening animation (though well done)
>copied a short segment from the anime' Sherlock Holmes (called Sherlock
>Hound) where the car drives off a cliff and they're rescued by someone in a
>plane?
>
>Just wondering,
>Kyle
>
>
OH GOD NOOOO!!!!!!!
That just brough back flashbacks of a horrid show called James Bond Jr. Its
about the newphew of James Bond who just happens to go to the same boarding
school with the children/grandchildren of
all of James old friends. I thin the name of the bad guys syndicated was SCUM
or something like that.
Oh GOD it was horrible.
Richard Hudson
Derek Janssen
>
> >New Kids on the Block as a cartoon. 'Nuff said.
>
> I remember that stupid little dog they had as a pet and vaugely remember some
> bad
> life action sequences. Thankfully i've forgotten the rest.
All I remember is that bizarre thing the animation company used to be
doing around the same time as that 3-D Transformers revival:
They'd just gotten spiffy new CGI graphics, including screen borders--
And so, to make NKOTB:TC look even "cooler" for that Kidd-Video pre-teen
MTV crowd, they'd throw in the splashy CGI screen borders, screen flips,
etc., at utterly baffling random:
"Hey, toss me my hat!"
<shot of tossed hat, with sparkly CGI border and "boingg!" in-and-out
camera>
<back to normal animation:> "<catches> ...Thanks!"
--And what, you ask, was so special about the hat, or any other random
elements (the NK's running Scooby-Doo style down the street, for ex.)
the CGI would be used on?...I DON'T KNOW!!
They were just desperate then, I guess; this *was* 80's Saturday
morning...
Derek Janssen
dja...@ultranet.com
ANIM8Rfsk
Well, let's narrow it down.
13 Ghosts is by FAR the worst of all Scoobyness.
*********************************************
By the way, there is no year zero,
(not in the Gregorian calendar)
and the third Millennium starts in 2001, not 2000.
Bruce L Grubb
rhuds...@aol.com (Richard Hudson) wrote:
> Well my list of the worst in no particular order includes.
>
> The Gary Coleman Show
> Oh GEEZ what a stupid plot. Gary Coleman as an angel. Just another way to
> squeeze a few more bucks out of his popularity in the 80's
>
> Speed Racer. Possibly the single WORST
> anime of all time, if it is really anime.
In all fairness the 1966 Speed Racer was reasonally good as long as one
remembered that much of the unbelivably goofy dialog was the result of
dubbing.
The 1990 New Speed Racer was a total disaster as nearly a quarter of the
shows' episodes were time travel plots with little logic[like what else is
new with cartoon time travel :-)]
> Princess Gwenivere and the Jewel Riders.
> Bad Sailor moon ripoff that has caused manyy a cavity and cases of insulin
> shock.
I wouldn't even dignify it as a Bad Sailor moon ripoff. Rather it
reminded me of a mixture of the worst elements og Galtar and the Golden
Lance and She-Ra
> The super Globetrotters. A ripoff of The Impossibles thta happened to be just
> as bad if not WORSE then the original.
Definitly worse.
> And folks the Impossibles stink on ice.
The plot were dumb even Saturday fair standards. The villians were so
lame an pathetic that Inspector Clusou (sp) could have caught them in half
the time.
> Most of the dozens of Scooby Doo Sequels/Ripoffs ect. Hanna-Barbera managed to
> make hundreds of episodes of cartoons and millions of dollars on
> ONE STUPID PLOT!
The plot itself wasn't stupid just the way HB used it. Nearly anything
with Scrappy Doo is annoying and the 13 Ghosts was likely the worst of
that lot.
> The Superfriends. I just HATE Wendy, MArvin and their stupid DOG.
Like Zan, Janna, and Gleep were an improvement? :-)
> Oh and I could rant on and ON about Histeria. Its the single most unfunny
> cartoon that Warner Brothers has ever produced.
More accually Histeria had potential but certain consepts should have
never made it to the screen (Loud Kiddington for example)
Bruce L Grubb
rhuds...@aol.com (Richard Hudson) wrote:
> >If u want to talk about a pointless show, what about Captain Planet. If
> >i'm not mistaken the point the show tries to get thruogh is that u can
> >make a difference. So why do they have to call that silver moron
> >everything they see a main bad guy? Cant they defeat him themselves? N
> >the art... prrrtt.....not to mention the dialogue.....
> >
> Please explain the things about Captain Planet if it is at all possible.
I prefer not to; it keepos the headaches to a minimum/
> WHy are half the characters either some kind of muntant and/or deformed for
> no reason at all?
Because the writers are unimaginative or clueless?
> Why is the Ameican kid ALWAYS made to look like the stupid,insensite
> loudmouthed jerk of the bunch.
So American kids can identify with him? :-)
> Why did most of the villans want to pollute the planet.
Because most of them belong in nice padded cells in DC's Arkham Asylum.
> Greedly and Plunder did it for money and
> Duke Nukem did for the radiation but were the other just nuts?
Sly SLudge did it for money as well IIRC. Duke Nukem was som what crazy
as well. He could have just hired himself out as a walking Nucleur Waste
Disposal unit.
Blight we know is stark raving crazy and the rest are little better
> Why are the later season SOOOOO much worse that the original episodes.
I didn't get through the 1st season because the consept sucked. You mean
it got worse? <shudder>
Stephen W. Worth
> > >New Kids on the Block as a cartoon. 'Nuff said.
In article <37A21C...@ultranet.com>, Derek Janssen
<dja...@ultranet.com> wrote:
> They'd just gotten spiffy new CGI graphics, including screen borders--
> And so, to make NKOTB:TC look even "cooler" for that Kidd-Video pre-teen
> MTV crowd, they'd throw in the splashy CGI screen borders, screen flips,
> etc., at utterly baffling random
Actually, it wasn't at random. The screen flips and video effects
were for a definite purpose. I was working with a company who
was subcontracting animation work to DIC at the time the New
Kids show was being produced. We were posting our show in the
same place that the other DIC shows were being done. New Kids
was being done ultra-cheap, and the film that came back from
overseas had a million major camera and paint mistakes. The
production folks were looking at the dalies and shaking their
heads... there was no way they were going to get enough retakes
to make the show airable. One of the Post Production editors
spoke up and said, "Hey! This is a rock group... we can make
it like a rock video. Whenever there is a paint pop, we flip
the screen... Whenever a character's head disappers for a frame,
we can spin the image into the distance... We can fix it and
make it hip at the same time!" Believe it or not, the network
and the audience never caught on to the trick.
KFarris357
>Date: Fri, 30 July 1999 07:37 PM EDT
>I didn't get through the 1st season because the consept sucked. You mean
>it got worse? <shudder>
>
Ohhh Yea.... A LOT. First of all, The first season (when it orignially
appeared on TBS) had decent animation. It was the standard Korean type like on
Spiderman and such. If you watch the opening bit, it still uses the original (I
think at least it did on Thursday morning.) the whole some used to look like
that. Still had some pretty dippy stories.
Then I guess it got too expensive to maintain that high level of quality
(sarcasm alert) and they change animation companies and the writing went WAY
downhill (I didn't think it was possible either, until I saw it..)
I guess it's also pretty sad to say that I watched it enough to notice these
changes... Not that they were all that subtle..
Ken Farri
Dog
worst.Canines Rule!
Chris Sobieniak
On rec.arts.animation, you wrote:
<<Actually, it wasn't at random. The screen flips and video effects were
for a definite purpose. I was working with a company who was
subcontracting animation work to DIC at the time the New Kids show was
being produced. We were posting our show in the same place that the
other DIC shows were being done. New Kids was being done ultra-cheap,
and the film that came back from overseas had a million major camera and
paint mistakes. The production folks were looking at the dalies and
shaking their heads... there was no way they were going to get enough
retakes to make the show airable. One of the Post Production editors
spoke up and said, "Hey! This is a rock group... we can make it like a
rock video. Whenever there is a paint pop, we flip the screen...
Whenever a character's head disappers for a frame, we can spin the image
into the distance... We can fix it and make it hip at the same time!"
Believe it or not, the network and the audience never caught on to the
trick.
See ya
Steve>>
That must've been really bad. I'm glad I only have faint memories of
this yet perplexing piece of mindless dribble. Almost reminds me of the
lame CG-seque effects DIC would later do to Bishojo Senshi Sailor Moon,
just to get it a bit more spice. Boy, the only good DIC shows I ever
liked were any produced before the late eighties (like Inspector Gadget,
Heathcliff, etc), anything after it is just crap.
I'm also glad I didn't had the nerve to even watch Hammerman, another
attempt to cash in on the success of another music superstar, whose
career is in the dumpster too, now he's some evangelist I think. I'm
glad animation hasn't gone into some sort of style simular to Japanese
animation in the sixties, when the networks over there didn't want to
pay the studios to produce their works, so that shows like Speed Racer
and such turned out that way. I truly enjoy these shows, as they help
to contribute much to the industrty in Japan.
Well, I'm glad that your studio has been able to not take any s**t from
anyone else when it comes to how to run your business. That's a rare
trait for any studio to have. Though I currently hate the latest
rip-offs to your work that just don't seem to be going out the door
soon.
Later,
Chris
Akira
>
> Richard Hudson wrote:
>
> > > >New Kids on the Block as a cartoon. 'Nuff said.
>
> In article <37A21C...@ultranet.com>, Derek Janssen
> <dja...@ultranet.com> wrote:
>
> > They'd just gotten spiffy new CGI graphics, including screen borders--
> > And so, to make NKOTB:TC look even "cooler" for that Kidd-Video pre-teen
> > MTV crowd, they'd throw in the splashy CGI screen borders, screen flips,
> > etc., at utterly baffling random
>
> were for a definite purpose. I was working with a company who
> was subcontracting animation work to DIC at the time the New
> Kids show was being produced. We were posting our show in the
> same place that the other DIC shows were being done. New Kids
> was being done ultra-cheap, and the film that came back from
> overseas had a million major camera and paint mistakes. The
> production folks were looking at the dalies and shaking their
> heads... there was no way they were going to get enough retakes
> to make the show airable. One of the Post Production editors
> spoke up and said, "Hey! This is a rock group... we can make
> it like a rock video. Whenever there is a paint pop, we flip
> the screen... Whenever a character's head disappers for a frame,
> we can spin the image into the distance... We can fix it and
> make it hip at the same time!" Believe it or not, the network
> and the audience never caught on to the trick.
>
Oh the humanity!!! I've never heard of any animated series with *that* many
technical errors. Perhaps I should consider myself fortunate for having never
been subjected to the NKOTB cartoon. :)
Seems like the foreign animators doing the grunt work for DIC must have been
especially overworked. They probably didn't know if they were coming or going,
or whether they were drawing a New Kid or a can of Spam.
--
Akira (akira AT clark.net) - Replace AT with @ to respond to me.
"I find your lack of a clue disturbing", replied Sysadmin Vader to the choking
newbie, who had the audacity to ask the Dark BOFH why Microsoft Bob isn't
available for X windows.
Snifit 3
wrote:
>Greedly and Plunder did it for money and
>Duke Nukem did for the radiation but were the other just nuts?
There was a Captain Planet villain named DUKE NUKEM?!
Snifit 3
wrote:
>> Why did most of the villans want to pollute the planet.
>
>Because most of them belong in nice padded cells in DC's Arkham Asylum.
Nah... I'd give 'em over to Lock-Up myself. Never see 'em again!
Derek Janssen
>
> On 30 Jul 1999 20:49:26 GMT, rhuds...@aol.com (Richard Hudson)
> wrote:
>
> >Greedly and Plunder did it for money and
> >Duke Nukem did for the radiation but were the other just nuts?
>
> There was a Captain Planet villain named DUKE NUKEM?!
Yep--The heroes Quaked, fearing their utter Doom... ; )
Derek Janssen
dja...@ultranet.com
Matt Martin
Richard Hudson <rhuds...@aol.com> imparted the following wisdom unto us:
> Why is the Ameican kid ALWAYS made to look like the stupid,insensite
> loudmouthed jerk of the bunch.
Because it's politically correct to have the Americans to be the
idiots... in some cases that's true, but come on...
> Why did most of the villans want to pollute the planet.
So Captain Planet would have a job.
> Greedly and Plunder did it for money and
> Duke Nukem did for the radiation but were the other just nuts?
Is it just me, or wasn't Duke Nukem the name of a character from a
video game (which led to Duke Nukem 3D) long before Turner purloined
the name?
> Why are the later season SOOOOO much worse that the original episodes.
Who really cares... the first episodes weren't worth watching either
simply because of the Turner/political propaganda.
--
Matt Martin / mmar...@richmond.edu
Visit the University of Richmond Japanese Anime Club home page:
http://www.student.richmond.edu/~anime
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."
(By dmeg...@aix1.uottawa.ca)
Vincent G. Macek
>
> << SNIP
> Terrence Briggs, putting toy commercials in a whole new light >> >>
>
> hey, Linus the Lion Hearted was a half hour long cereal commercial, and the
> Kelloggs crew was in the opening of the Huckleberry Hound show. I'm still
> trying to find a copy of the Chester Cheetah pilot.
>
Them was the times. Rocky and Bullwinkle were linked firmly to General
Mills - but it did make for some great commercials.
VMacek
John Isles, iv
rhuds...@aol.com (Richard Hudson) wrote:
>...Voltron the third Dimention.
>WHY did World Events take a pretty good anime and turn it into a bunch of
>bad CGI crap. THe blazing sword scene is a pale ripoff of the originals,
>the what the characters move is terrible and the fact that they would make
>Zarcon the second im command of the Galaxy alliance AND have the Alliance
>destroy Voltron, which they dont even own because of Lothor's threats.
Ya got that right. I've found most CGI-animated programs/movies--
excluding Toy Story-- to have good computer animation, but no depth. If I
said that Voltron: The 3rd Dimension had "good computer animation, but no
depth" I'd only be half right-- the latter half. V3D's animation [clearing
throat]...
BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWS!
>Richard Hudson
--
From the computer of John Isles, iv-...@as.net
Made with Macintosh, the ORIGINAL Windows.
"Read my lips: No new taxes. You know, it's funny, but if you JUST read
my lips, you'd think I'm saying, `No nude actresses'."
--Ben Stein, game show host/actor
Me and my mother during a trip to Arizona in June, while stopping in
Laughlin, NV, one night:
-Me: "I've never been to a real Nevada buffet before."
-Mom: "That's because you've never been to a real Nevada before."
ANIM8Rfsk
excluding Toy Story-- to have good computer animation, but no depth.>>
I could watch Reboot with my eyes closed and still love the story.
<<Made with Macintosh, the ORIGINAL Windows.>>
How can that be? Macs work!
GCarras
of "Clippety Clobbered," and Robert McKimson's two Roadrunners-"Rushing
Rouelette " from 1965 and ":Sugar and Spuies" from 1966, and maybe a few others
incl.the Jay Ward soudning 1965 Rudy Larriva helmed "Highway RUnnery",which
were good,but I still think RObert McKimson and anyone coukld direct better
than Lirrva who remaisn a top animator IMO in his heyday in the 30s to 50s).
Also of coruse MY Little Pony,and any post-1993 Ren and Stimpy.And Cow and
Chicken.Guess why,.
An Ally McBeal Style of Life gets me through the day.NOTE: I have permanently
removed my e-mailing list pertaining to 1930s-1960s WB cartoons's voices
because of no messages other than those from myself.Now I just know I'm gonna
get requests to reverse..
GCarras
>
>
>Enrique Conty wrote:
>>
>> In article <7na3t3$8d9$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>,
>> Arnold Kim <ki...@erols.com> wrote:
>> >never thought he'd see someone die from drug addiction on a saturday
>> >morning cartoon...
>>
>> Not only can people die from drug addiction in Saturday Morning
>> cartoons, for a while it was the *only* way people could die in
>> that venue. Now that's sick.
>>
>
>Sometimes I think the makers themselves of some of the Saturday morning
>cartoons
>are suffering from drug addiction. :)
recall whwen eve Garield, Alf and the Looney tunes (a few of ';em abnyhow) did
in 1990 (CARTOON ALLSTARS)[-gacve new meanign,toally to ubquituious.
Of course even bozo eis a drug-look at the censorship of ONE FROGGY EVEING (IO
neither dirnk or smoke but weven i object to the scissors given onetime to
OFE,esp.since it was during a song!Ruins the tempo when the FREE BEER sign is
changed..:)And dont evwen get me started on PECOS BILL again I trwat
cuigarettes klikie I do drugs but Disney,come on..:))
(Maybe they'll edit the crows ANSD the drubnk secne ein
DUMBO..:))faceitiousness intend there!
GCarras
>John Isles, iv <qxz...@as.net> wrote in message
>news:qxz.13-ya0236800...@news.as.net...
>> I don't know about you guys, but high on my list of crappy animated TV
>show
>> list is "South Park", "Cow & Chicken", and most every computer-animated
>> series to air. But the worst of late is the "Voltron: The 3rd
>Dimension".
>
>
>Amen Brother!!! You can add the ever-stinky " Blazing Dragons" to the manure
>heap as well.
>
>Tim
>
>
Hey, are you the guy who used to post as "Tim155" on my ISP (AOL) If so,
welcome back!
GCarras
>
>pa...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> If I remember correctly, Bakshi once said in an interview that the Sad
>> Cat character was one of the first gay characters in cartoons. Anyone
>> know if this is true?
>
>Sounds like just more Bakshi off-the-cuff Terry-bashing--
>After all, 'toon fans only bash Terrytoons for fun, but this guy's got a
>personal grudge match.
>
>Besides, if Sad really *was* the first gay toon, what does that make
>Snagglepuss?...
>
Or hundreds of drag characters (Fred Flintstone and Bugs Bunny as women for
two..)
Derek Janssen
>
> But the worst of late is the "Voltron: The 3rd Dimension".
>
> Amen Brother!!! You can add the ever-stinky "Blazing Dragons" to the manure
> heap as well.
...With pleasure!
(Did our cable company pick up Cartoon Network, like local viewers had
asked for three years?--Why, NOOOO, Toon Disney looked like *such* a
better customer deal!...
Sit back, folks and enjoy a one-hour late-nite block of "Blazing
Dragons" and "Gadget Boy & Heather"!)
Derek Janssen
dja...@ultranet.com
Bruce L Grubb
Rich (kenn...@logic.camp.clarkson.edu) commented on by
moa...@romulus.rutgers.edu (bam!) My comments in [] rest is Rich or
moakler's New show additions are followed by a # as are my show over
views. Dates of shows have been confermed with _Total Television_ by Alex
McNeil. No dates means I could not find the show - likly was part of
another cartoon show, show is misnamed or is too new to be in the book.
^ Means show was part of another cartoon show
[Note that asside from some exceptions only the * or lower grade cartoons
are listed]
Archie Show,The (1968-89) (see below)#
This is accualy a whole host of shows: Archie Show, Archie Comedy Hour,
Archie's Funhouse (*), Archie's TV Funnies, Everything's Archie,
The US of Archie (**), New Archie/Sabrina Hour, Bang-Shang Lalapalooza Show,
and New Archies.
Scooby Doo (1969-86) (see below, ratings only for Scooby Doo)
Scooby Doo Where Are You? (69-72) (***), New Scobby Doo Films (73) (**),
Scooby Doo/Dynomutt Hour (76) (***), Richie Rich/Scooby Doo Show (80) (***),
Scooby & Scappy Doo/Puppy's New Adventures (82) (**1/2), New Scooby Doo &
Scappy Doo (82) (Z), New Scooby Doo Mysteries (* to Z+) and Scary Scobby
Funnies (84) (Z-), and 13 Ghosts of Scobby Doo (85) (Z+)
Many times "new" seasons of this were just repackaged reruns, hence the
breaks in the air dates.
Smurfs, the (82-90) (**/Z)
Went from ** to Z around baby Smurf (1988?)
--- Forgotten Cartoons ---
Composed of several unrelated shows or had/were live action
Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future (1987-8) [* to Z]
a live action Terminator-like world (machines take over and try to wipe
out or enslave humanity) ripoff. 'You will be digatized.' got old REAL
fast as did the marketing ploy that one could 'score' by hitting the images
on the TV with the Captain Power toys' 'energy beams'.#
Comic Strip (1989-1990) (see below)#
4 shows: Street Frogs(*), Karate Kat(*), Tigersharks(***), and Young
Monsters?(*)
Kroft Supershow [Kroft Superstar Hour] (1976-78) (see below)#
A group of live action shows: ElectroWoman and DynaGirl (*), Wonderbug (Z),
Dr. Shrinker, Lost Saucer, and Bigfoot and Wildboy. "Everyone remember
some of Sid and Marty Kroft's other clunkers like ElectroWoman and DynaGirl?"
moakler
[EW & DG was on the level of Adam West's Batman: low brow camp. At the time
it was fun to watch these, now it is only painful.]
Pee-wee's playhouse (86-91) (*)
[Glad this is gone because IT is what started the problems for ElfQuest]
Saturday Supercade (83-85) (see below)#
five/four shows. First season: Frogger (*); Donkey kong (Z); Pitfall(**)/
Q-bert (*) [weekly rotation]; Donkey Kong Jr (*). Second season:
Kangaroo (*); Donkey kong (Z); Q-bert (*); Space Ace (**)
Tarzan Super 7 (78-80) (see below)#
6 animated shows and a live action show that rotated.
Tarzan(**), Web Woman (**) [Spiderwoman-like], SuperStreach & Micro girl(**),
Morey & Manta, and Isis & Friends (*) Jason of Star Command (Z) was the live
action [Space 1999 meets Battlestar Galactica. Yes, it was THAT bad].
Amazing Chan and the Chan Clan, the (72-4) (Z)
Mystery? What mystery? The guilty party was whoever the kids _didn't_
suspect.
Barbie and the Rockers (1987) (Z)
Bewford files, the (*)
Cabbage patch kids (*)
Camp candy (89) (Z)
Captain america [Marvel Superheroes] (66) (*)^
Captain caveman and the Teen Angles (77; 80) (Z)^
Charle's Angles goes mystery time with Captain Caveman at the helm
Part of Laugh-a-limpics; Flintstones Comedy Hour.
Droids (85-6) (*)^
combined with The Ewoks to form The Ewoks and Droids Adventure Hour
Dukes, the (83) (Z)#
A pathetic cartoon copy of the live action show Dukes of Hazzard
Dynomutt (78) (*)
spliting this from Scooby Doo/Dynomutt Hour didn't help it; didn't
hurt it either.
Fangface (*)
Flintstones kids, the (86-8; 90) (*)
Flintstones Comedy Hour (72-4)
Fonz and the Happy Days Gang (1980-2) (Z)#
The gang are trapped on a time machine that does not work well. Remember the
dog 'Mr. Cool'? UGH!
Fraggle rock (87-8) (*)
[The live puppet show on HBO was MUCH better]
Galaxy High School (86-7) (Z-)
I dunno. I would give it a (*) perhaps. I can think of much worse shows than
this. I remember it more for its failed potential to be a version of Urusei
Yatsura or Teenager from Outer Space (the rpg).
Get along gang, the (84-6) (*)
Ghostbusters [Filmation] (86-7) (Z)
Baced on the live action Ghost Busters (75-76) this is really bad;
"Z- just for bringing it [the idea] out of the vaults to cash in on
Ghostbusters fame." moakler [Agreed]
Gilligan's Planet (82-3) (*)#
the crew from Gilligan's Island run around in space. The bamboo space ship
ranks as the weirdest idea anybody ever had for a cartoon.
Go-bots (1986) (*)
[a pathetic Tranformers (1985) rip off.]
Godzilla (** - classic genre monster battle episodes/* otherwise)
[Bundled with Jana the Jungle later on.]
Happy clowns of happy town (Z-)
Harlem Globetrotters (70-2)
[Go-Go Globetrotters (78)] (Z+)
Super Globetrotters (Z-)#
A reworing of _The Impossibles_ consept (complete with Talehoe battle cry)
with two more super heroes.
Heathcliff (1980-82) (*)
Hello kitty's Furry Tale Theater (87-8) (Z)
He-man (New Adventures) (**)
[From what I saw I give it *]
Hong kong phooey (74-76) (*)
[reruns bundled with Godzilla in 81]
Hulk hogan's rock and wrestling (85-7) (Z)
It's Punky brewster (85-87) (*)
Jabberjaw (1976-78) (Z)
[A goofy shark who acts like a mixture of Curly Joe and Rodney Dangerfield.]
Josie and the pussycats (70-72) (**), in Outer Space (72-74) (*)
Josie seems a lot more tired after having the scores of Josie/Scooby-doo
clones that H-B foisted off on us. It was very good for its time though.
Interestingly, Valerie was the first regular black character to
appear in a cartoon series [beats Jackson 5 by one year].
Laverne and Shirley (81-2) (Z)#
Another pathetic cartoon copy of a live action sitcom
Little Rosey (90) (Z)
Laugh-a-limpics, Scooby Doo's [Scobby's All-Stars] (80) (*),
HB pulled almost EVERY character of the 1960-1970s for Laugh-a-limpics and
had them compete in a bunch a silly games. Good if you want see old
characters again but that is about all.
Madballs (*)
Magilla gorilla (64-65) (*)
Maple town (87) (*)
Marvel Superheroes (66) (*)
Captian America, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Mighty Thor, and Sub-Mariner
stories that rotated. Mainly just panels from Marvel comics pushed around
in front of the camera. Some of the stories were reasonable.
Mister T (83-6) (*)
Monchhichis (83-4) (*)
My little pony and Friends (86-90) (*)
My pet monster (86-7) (*)
Pacman (82-84) (Z)
Pandamonium (82-3) (*)#
Three magical pandas going together to form one large panda.
Pebbles and Bamm Bamm (71-76) (1.5 *)
Pebbles and Bamm Bamm as teenages. Part of Flintstones Comedy Hour (72-4)
Photon (Z)
Plasticman Comedy/Adventure Show (79; 83-84) (*)
contained Mighty Man and Yuck (*); Rickety Rocket; and Fangface and Fangpus
Plasticman-Baby Plas Super Comedy (80) (Z)#
Popeye (58-63; 78-83) (see below)
AAP Popeye (58-61) (**); with "Brutus" (61-3); Treasure Hunt (78-83) (Z)
Popeye & Son (87-8) (*)
Pound puppies (86-8) (*)
Potato Kids (*)#
Rainbrow brite (1983-87) (*)
I give it Z for the concept alone (Color is the source of happiness)#
Real ghostbusters, the (86-91) (see below)
[There are three versions of this: one ABCs (*), one syndicated(***) and
and one with crude animation [Slimer] (Z)].
Richie Rich (82, 86) (*)
Try (Z+). Kid gets the world as his playground and makes Scrooge McDuck
look poor. (It was THAT bad.)#
Rubik the Amazing cube (83-4) (*)
Sectaurs (**)
Shirt tales (82-85) (*)
Snorks, the (84-86) (*)
Smurf clone#
Spiderman (67-70) (*+)
I'd watch it for the catchy theme song. [Agreed. Reused scenes and plots
like crazy]
Strawberry shortcake (1982) (*)
[Too sickingly sweet. give it Z+.]
Stunt Dawgs
Super Friends (75-85) (see below)
[six versions]: Marvin, Wendy, & Wonder Dog (* to **);
The All-New Super Friends Hour (Wonder-Twins) (**);
Challenge of the Superfriends [Legion of Doom] (* to **);
World's Greatest Super Friends (Z to *); Legendary Super Powers Show (**);
Super Powers: Galactic Guardians Team (**)
Super Globetrotters (79-80) (*)
Terrahawks (85-6) (*)
Three Robonic stooges, the (78; 81) (*)
Turbo-teen (84-5) (*)
Kid turns into a car#
Voltron, Defender of the Universe (85) (see below)
(lion) (**) [Most reshown of all the Voltron shows.]; (space) (***);
(Cars) (*)
Wolfman Jack Show (1974) (* to **)
Wuzzles (86-86) (*)
Yo! Yogi! (Z)#
Young versions of Yogi and friends run around the Jellystone mall. BLECK!
Anyone remember (or rather want to remember) a show not on this list?
Bruce L Grubb
rhuds...@aol.com (Richard Hudson) wrote:
One could ask the same thing about the Punisher and Captain America live
action movies. The Fantastic Four movie was supposedly so bad that it
never got shown. Marvel seems to have a nack fo lettign other majorly
screw up its characters in lame plots.
Metlhd3138
include the hilarious johnny bravo.
Derek Janssen
>
> The follow list orgianly was part of a list of "Forgotten Cartoons" by
> Rich (kenn...@logic.camp.clarkson.edu) commented on by
> Bang-Shang Lalapalooza Show, and New Archies.
(Okay, who's picturing some freakish blend of Smashing Pumpkins and The
Archies, right now?...)
> Composed of several unrelated shows or had/were live action
> Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future (1987-8) [* to Z]
> a live action Terminator-like world (machines take over and try to wipe
> out or enslave humanity) ripoff. 'You will be digatized.' got old REAL
> fast as did the marketing ploy that one could 'score' by hitting the images
> on the TV with the Captain Power toys' 'energy beams'.#
Yeah, wonder whatever happened to that idiot who wrote it:
"J. Michael..." something-or-other--Heard he did some other sci-fi
series after that....
("Real Ghostbusters", think it was?)
> Happy clowns of happy town (Z-)
Dr. Norman Cousins goes Saturday morning!
(A) That was NOT a cute quip, and B) I was NOT making that up...)
> Super Friends (75-85) (see below)
> Super Powers: Galactic Guardians Team (**)
Nobody remembers that last incarnation, where they tried to make it look
like a *real*, ie. "X-Men" style, action cartoon--
And Ted Knight fans knew an era had come to an end...
Derek Janssen
dja...@ultranet.com
Danger X
Bruce L Grubb <bgr...@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:bgrubb-0308...@lc263.zianet.com...
>
> --- Forgotten Cartoons ---
>
> Laverne and Shirley (81-2) (Z)#
I remember this one as part of the Mork and Mindy/Laverne and Shirley show.
Why do I remember it? I haven't the slightest idea!
> Real ghostbusters, the (86-91) (see below)
> [There are three versions of this: one ABCs (*), one syndicated(***) and
> and one with crude animation [Slimer] (Z)].
Hey, I just wanna stick up for this show. Man, this show (well the
syndicated one) was a classic. Easily there were a few stories they could of
picked out of this series that would have made for a better story for
Ghostbusters II. "Knock-Knock" springs immediately to mind.
> Richie Rich (82, 86) (*)
> Try (Z+). Kid gets the world as his playground and makes Scrooge McDuck
> look poor. (It was THAT bad.)#
*shudder* THAT bad with a capital THA... oh waitaminute...
> Spiderman (67-70) (*+)
> I'd watch it for the catchy theme song. [Agreed. Reused scenes and plots
> like crazy]
Not only were their reused scenes (were those clouds he was swinging off
of?), but in a couple of instance there were entire episodes that were
interchangeable with Rocket Robin Hood episodes! The Dimentia-5 episodes
for instance.
> Terrahawks (85-6) (*)
I'll always have a softspot for supermarionation series. No matter how
cheesy!
> Anyone remember (or rather want to remember) a show not on this list?
Well here's a few I was able to remember in the last 10minutes or so...
Beverly Hills Teens (think of Richie Rich kids as teenagers,87)
Brady Kids ("Brady Bunch" 'nuff said!)
Lady Lovelylocks and the Pixietails (87)
Popples (87)
Rambo (86)
Ring Raiders (92?)
Robotman and Friends (early 80s)
Teen Wolf
Wildfire (A girl and her horse,85)
I'm guessing the list is only for the "bad" forgotten cartoons right?
Otherwise I'd take this opportunity to list "Galaxy Rangers" as one of the
best overlooked shows of the 80s.
That's all fer now,
Kyle
Hobbes gy
How about "Little Muppet Monsters"(84 or 85) It was a combo of live muppets and
animated peices with the main Muppet cast. I believe It was paired with "Muppet
Babies" when both shows debuted but was quickly overshadowed by MB
Kip Williams
It was the first show with an electronic interactive gimmick; toys that
you could point at the screen, and you'd get positive feedback if you
shot straight. Yes, kids, YOU can help Captain Power! Only YOU! Buy the
toy!
The show ended unexpectedly. The people making it didn't know the rug
was about to be pulled, so they just had a regular episode for the last
one. Sort of a downbeat episode. One character was killed, the rest were
more or less running for their lives, and that was it.
And at home, saddest of all... some kid at home, his jaw dropping as the
weapon falls from his fingers. He must have failed! He must have let
Captain Power down!
It's all that kid's fault! (Poor kid)
--
--Kip Williams
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