My thoughts on The Weekenders
ungvichian
are what I've thought of it so far (note that I've only watched up to
the ep with Carver babysitting and the gang taking in a concert):
* The titles music is a bit unusual for something by Disney, if you
ask me... did you know it was written and sung by Whose Line is it
Anyway's Wayne Brady? The montage isn't that good though... :-/
* Speaking of titles, this show has an interesting distinction of not
having ep titles at the beginning of a story (opting instead for a
slide saying "Friday"). This show is a daytime animated comedy made by
Disney, so it's rather unusual if you ask me. The only other show I
can think of that is a animated daytime comedy that doesn't use ep
titles: Stuart Little (which opts for a computer generated version of
the title character leading into the story).
* Another unusual thing is that it's only the 3rd show I know of with
school-age kids as the main characters, but with little to no
involvement of school. The others being Wild Thornberrys (like
Weekenders, its very premise precludes that from happening) and Rocket
Power (they do have school, it's just that most of the plots are
sports related).
* What's with the pizza place changing management every stinkin' ep?
Just so they can have lame (but varying) pizza-related gags? Example
from when it was called "Pizzamergency": "You need a large pizza and
360 cc of soda, stat!"
* And as for Tino talking to the viewer... I think Saved By The Bell's
Zack did it better.
* Last but not least: in light of the ep with the concert, does this
mean that if you write a song for your favorite band, you can't
collect royalties unless you're actually a songwriter? That bites...
(and Carver probably thinks so too, when you consider what happened)
Well, later days!
Chika
ungvichian <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> So I've been watching this Disney show for a couple weeks, and here
> are what I've thought of it so far (note that I've only watched up to
> the ep with Carver babysitting and the gang taking in a concert):
Don't remember the first one, the second one brings a few eps to mind...
> * The titles music is a bit unusual for something by Disney, if you
> ask me... did you know it was written and sung by Whose Line is it
> Anyway's Wayne Brady? The montage isn't that good though... :-/
Done on the cheap by the looks of it, but then who expects high art from
something like this? (It can happen, but not often)
> * Another unusual thing is that it's only the 3rd show I know of with
> school-age kids as the main characters, but with little to no
> involvement of school. The others being Wild Thornberrys (like
> Weekenders, its very premise precludes that from happening) and Rocket
> Power (they do have school, it's just that most of the plots are
> sports related).
I can think of a few more. Fairly Odd Parents, Ed Ed nEddy (oh how I HATE
that series!), Mike Lu & Og, Mona the Vampire, Beavis & Butthead, Dexter's
Laboratory... that enough to get you started?
> * What's with the pizza place changing management every stinkin' ep?
> Just so they can have lame (but varying) pizza-related gags? Example
> from when it was called "Pizzamergency": "You need a large pizza and
> 360 cc of soda, stat!"
From what I saw of it, it isn't the management changing, it's the
management unable to come up with a sustainable marketing ploy for selling
pizzas. Considering the number of changes, I wonder how they stay in
business!
> * And as for Tino talking to the viewer... I think Saved By The Bell's
> Zack did it better.
Maybe.
> * Last but not least: in light of the ep with the concert, does this
> mean that if you write a song for your favorite band, you can't
> collect royalties unless you're actually a songwriter? That bites...
> (and Carver probably thinks so too, when you consider what happened)
In which case, no, I haven't seen that ep. either. But then there are
plenty of people out there that have been shafted, so they say, by the
music business. The trouble is that proof is often hard to come by.
Consider Chef's (South Park) plight over the Stinky Breeches song.
> Well, later days!
You just had to say it, didn't you?!? :)
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for a while and is now out of production.
First, it's interesting to see a series set just at that point where
boys and girls can still be friends, and before they become date
objects or disappointments to one another. Problem is, that's about
fifteen minutes in real life. It's almost Twilight Zone.
Second, it's curious to admit that these kids only become alive on the
weekends, and that their school days are drudgery too ugly to cover.
Third, it's dramatic economy to put four very different people
together as friends: the nerd, the jock, the "tough girl" and the
dreamer. It just doesn't happen in real life. If it did, each of the
kids would bring their own "sub-universes" of similar friends into the
mix; the science club guys, the fellow teammates, the gang of grrls
and the literary club.
Get the Conventioneer's Guide to Life - now in
convenient printable PDF download form - at
Tom Reed's Off-Model - http://www.off-model.com
Paul Evans
"ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
news:4837c056.03072...@posting.google.com...
> So I've been watching this Disney show for a couple weeks, and here
> are what I've thought of it so far (note that I've only watched up to
> the ep with Carver babysitting and the gang taking in a concert):
of the four seasons.
> * The titles music is a bit unusual for something by Disney, if you
> ask me... did you know it was written and sung by Whose Line is it
> Anyway's Wayne Brady? The montage isn't that good though... :-/
The whole cartoon is a little unusual for Disney. When I first came across it
last year, I had to double check that it was a Disney production (as opposed to
something they had bought from another network, i.e. Caitlin's Way) - It
appeared to be a little too 'intelligent' for something aimed at kids. Then
there's the 'CARP' line in 'Shoes of Destiny' - probably the only time the word
'crap' is hidden in the dialogue!
> * Speaking of titles, this show has an interesting distinction of not
> having ep titles at the beginning of a story (opting instead for a
> slide saying "Friday"). This show is a daytime animated comedy made by
> Disney, so it's rather unusual if you ask me. The only other show I
> can think of that is a animated daytime comedy that doesn't use ep
> titles: Stuart Little (which opts for a computer generated version of
> the title character leading into the story).
The lack of episode titles was a headache for anyone trying to compile episode
listings for the show (like myself). For seasons three and four, a group of us
on a fan site came up with alternative episode names due to the lack of official
names. We weren't that far off the mark, but it was only when Toon Disney
finally got around to showing these episodes in the US (some six to nine months
after they had aired in the UK) that we finally got the real episode names - or
rather episode names that appeared in online TV guides.
> * Another unusual thing is that it's only the 3rd show I know of with
> school-age kids as the main characters, but with little to no
> involvement of school. The others being Wild Thornberrys (like
> Weekenders, its very premise precludes that from happening) and Rocket
> Power (they do have school, it's just that most of the plots are
> sports related).
Yeah, but let's face it - It would be a crap show if it had 'Weekend' in the
title but was set during the school week!
> * What's with the pizza place changing management every stinkin' ep?
> Just so they can have lame (but varying) pizza-related gags? Example
> from when it was called "Pizzamergency": "You need a large pizza and
> 360 cc of soda, stat!"
There's only a few gags relating to the name of the pizza place throughout the
show's two-year run. But yes, the theme is different in each episode, ranging
from Surreal Pizza to I Can't Believe It's Pizza, but generally suit the plot in
each episode.
> * And as for Tino talking to the viewer... I think Saved By The Bell's
> Zack did it better.
>
Yeah, but SBTB isn't a cartoon! ;-)
> * Last but not least: in light of the ep with the concert, does this
> mean that if you write a song for your favorite band, you can't
> collect royalties unless you're actually a songwriter? That bites...
> (and Carver probably thinks so too, when you consider what happened)
>
I think you could if you claim ownership from the start - Carver didn't do this
however (even if he did, no-one would be able to read it properly!).
> Well, later days!
*Grrrrrrrr!*
Paul (A Weekenders fan)
Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
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> In article <4837c056.03072...@posting.google.com>,
> ungvichian <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> > So I've been watching this Disney show for a couple weeks, and here
> > are what I've thought of it so far (note that I've only watched up to
> > the ep with Carver babysitting and the gang taking in a concert):
>
> Don't remember the first one, the second one brings a few eps to mind...
>
> > * The titles music is a bit unusual for something by Disney, if you
> > ask me... did you know it was written and sung by Whose Line is it
> > Anyway's Wayne Brady? The montage isn't that good though... :-/
>
> Done on the cheap by the looks of it, but then who expects high art from
> something like this? (It can happen, but not often)
>
But it is effective though. I thought it fitted the show pretty well, but let's
face it, you're going to spend more time paying attention to the show rather
than the opening credits!
> > * Another unusual thing is that it's only the 3rd show I know of with
> > school-age kids as the main characters, but with little to no
> > involvement of school. The others being Wild Thornberrys (like
> > Weekenders, its very premise precludes that from happening) and Rocket
> > Power (they do have school, it's just that most of the plots are
> > sports related).
>
> I can think of a few more. Fairly Odd Parents, Ed Ed nEddy (oh how I HATE
> that series!), Mike Lu & Og, Mona the Vampire, Beavis & Butthead, Dexter's
> Laboratory... that enough to get you started?
>
Oi! There's nothing wrong with Ed Edd n Eddy! Never seen Fairly Odd Parents, but
I've seen all the others. Ed Edd n Eddy I assume is set in the summer holidays;
Mona The Vampire does feature school in there somewhere, as does Beavis &
Butthead and Dexter's Laboratory (just what have they done with that show
-( ), but it isn't the main theme like you say. The Weekenders does
occasionally mention school now and again, and at least one episode, 'Secret
Admirer' does include a scene inside the school itself.
> > * What's with the pizza place changing management every stinkin' ep?
> > Just so they can have lame (but varying) pizza-related gags? Example
> > from when it was called "Pizzamergency": "You need a large pizza and
> > 360 cc of soda, stat!"
>
> From what I saw of it, it isn't the management changing, it's the
> management unable to come up with a sustainable marketing ploy for selling
> pizzas. Considering the number of changes, I wonder how they stay in
> business!
>
I thought that as well, but then they introduced 'Sidewalk Sunday', where
everything is a rip-off at $5 each...
Paul.
Chika
<uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I can think of a few more. Fairly Odd Parents, Ed Ed nEddy (oh how I
> > HATE that series!), Mike Lu & Og, Mona the Vampire, Beavis & Butthead,
> > Dexter's Laboratory... that enough to get you started?
> >
> Oi! There's nothing wrong with Ed Edd n Eddy!
Sorry, but I loathe and despise it. Apart from the styling being fairly
annoying, Eddy's voice really grates on me.
> Never seen Fairly Odd
> Parents, but I've seen all the others.
It's not too bad. If it wasn't for the logos, it could well be mistaken
for a CN "Cartoon Cartoon", which isn't too surprising when you look
through the credits.
> Ed Edd n Eddy I assume is set in
> the summer holidays; Mona The Vampire does feature school in there
> somewhere, as does Beavis & Butthead and Dexter's Laboratory (just what
> have they done with that show -( ), but it isn't the main theme like
> you say.
Mona does feature a few episodes in class, but most of the action takes
place around town and, most often, in Mona's own imagination! As for B&BH,
it's an even split, though they may as well never show up! I really
believe that Dexter's Lab should be stopped now. Much of the original feel
has been lost (though I did chuckle about the idea of Mandark actually
being called "Susan"). Indeed it looks a little like it is suffering the
same way that the Roadrunner did; the backdrops are being scaled down, the
characters are being simplified, the stories are getting a little
repetitive.
> The Weekenders does occasionally mention school now and again,
> and at least one episode, 'Secret Admirer' does include a scene inside
> the school itself.
Think I've missed that ep too, though I suspect that Toon Disney were
holding some eps back all along up to the point where I shut the channel
off (the extra fiver per month just wasn't worth it!)
> > > * What's with the pizza place changing management every stinkin' ep?
> > > Just so they can have lame (but varying) pizza-related gags? Example
> > > from when it was called "Pizzamergency": "You need a large pizza and
> > > 360 cc of soda, stat!"
> >
> > From what I saw of it, it isn't the management changing, it's the
> > management unable to come up with a sustainable marketing ploy for
> > selling pizzas. Considering the number of changes, I wonder how they
> > stay in business!
> >
> I thought that as well, but then they introduced 'Sidewalk Sunday',
> where everything is a rip-off at $5 each...
Hmmm. Seems that London has been holding a similar event every day for the
last few decades... :)
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Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <bfs6g5$ib3mp$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Evans
> <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > I can think of a few more. Fairly Odd Parents, Ed Ed nEddy (oh how I
> > > HATE that series!), Mike Lu & Og, Mona the Vampire, Beavis & Butthead,
> > > Dexter's Laboratory... that enough to get you started?
> > >
> > Oi! There's nothing wrong with Ed Edd n Eddy!
>
> Sorry, but I loathe and despise it. Apart from the styling being fairly
> annoying, Eddy's voice really grates on me.
>
as it was the only thing on at 1am when I was sorting myself out for work the
following mornings...
> > Never seen Fairly Odd
> > Parents, but I've seen all the others.
>
> It's not too bad. If it wasn't for the logos, it could well be mistaken
> for a CN "Cartoon Cartoon", which isn't too surprising when you look
> through the credits.
>
> > Ed Edd n Eddy I assume is set in
> > the summer holidays; Mona The Vampire does feature school in there
> > somewhere, as does Beavis & Butthead and Dexter's Laboratory (just what
> > have they done with that show -( ), but it isn't the main theme like
> > you say.
>
> Mona does feature a few episodes in class, but most of the action takes
> place around town and, most often, in Mona's own imagination! As for B&BH,
> it's an even split, though they may as well never show up!
How old are they supposed to be anyway? I remember this show being one of the
better things to come out of MTV along with Daria and Celebrity Deathmatch, but
it's a shame that MTV choose to flood the schedules with reruns of The Osbournes
and that awful Real Life (which is anything but real). Not to mention all that
manufactured crap they apparently call 'music'.
I really
> believe that Dexter's Lab should be stopped now. Much of the original feel
> has been lost (though I did chuckle about the idea of Mandark actually
> being called "Susan"). Indeed it looks a little like it is suffering the
> same way that the Roadrunner did; the backdrops are being scaled down, the
> characters are being simplified, the stories are getting a little
> repetitive.
>
Dexter's Lab has run out of ideas. Introducing Mandark was a huge mistake, but a
bigger mistake was to make some of the new episodes little more than Dexter vs
Mandark storylines that were generally both tedious and poorly scripted. The
animation was never complicated, but good visuals used to make up for that.
Unfortunately, DL resembles a Flash animation these days. I wish they would make
more episodes of Johnny Bravo (or even just repeat those they have - is that too
much to ask of CN these days?!). Even PPG has lost it's character and detail in
the same fashion as DL.
> > The Weekenders does occasionally mention school now and again,
> > and at least one episode, 'Secret Admirer' does include a scene inside
> > the school itself.
>
> Think I've missed that ep too, though I suspect that Toon Disney were
> holding some eps back all along up to the point where I shut the channel
> off (the extra fiver per month just wasn't worth it!)
>
I remember last summer (the first time I ever looked at Toon Disney) that they
were only showing seasons 2-4 of TW during their marathons, and it wasn't until
Christmas that they got around to showing season one and the Christmas special.
The show does get a lot better from mid-way through season two although season
four was very patchy (some truly great episodes and some of the worst)- almost
as if the producers could already see the Disney axe hanging over their heads...
Disney has this knack of killing shows once they reach 65 episodes.
I only wish they would show Duck Tales overnight so that I can get them on tape!
> > I thought that as well, but then they introduced 'Sidewalk Sunday',
> > where everything is a rip-off at $5 each...
>
> Hmmm. Seems that London has been holding a similar event every day for the
> last few decades... :)
>
LOL! Manchester's beginning to go the same way :-(
Paul.
Chika
<uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Mona does feature a few episodes in class, but most of the action
> > takes place around town and, most often, in Mona's own imagination! As
> > for B&BH, it's an even split, though they may as well never show up!
> How old are they supposed to be anyway? I remember this show being one
> of the better things to come out of MTV along with Daria and Celebrity
> Deathmatch, but it's a shame that MTV choose to flood the schedules with
> reruns of The Osbournes and that awful Real Life (which is anything but
> real). Not to mention all that manufactured crap they apparently call
> 'music'.
I would imagine B&BH would be early teens, at a guess. High school,
pre-college (as if they would ever go to a coll!) It's a pity that MTV has
backed away so much from animation as they did produce some great stuff. I
love Daria, and Deathmatch is a good laugh too.
<snip>
> > > The Weekenders does occasionally mention school now and again, and
> > > at least one episode, 'Secret Admirer' does include a scene inside
> > > the school itself.
> >
> > Think I've missed that ep too, though I suspect that Toon Disney were
> > holding some eps back all along up to the point where I shut the
> > channel off (the extra fiver per month just wasn't worth it!)
> >
> I remember last summer (the first time I ever looked at Toon Disney)
> that they were only showing seasons 2-4 of TW during their marathons,
> and it wasn't until Christmas that they got around to showing season one
> and the Christmas special. The show does get a lot better from mid-way
> through season two although season four was very patchy (some truly
> great episodes and some of the worst)- almost as if the producers could
> already see the Disney axe hanging over their heads... Disney has this
> knack of killing shows once they reach 65 episodes.
The trouble was that, by Christmas, my dosh was so tight that I had
switched almost everything off and though I now have gone back to the
standard package (everything but Movies, Sport and specials), I really
can't justify spending the extra money per month on what are effectively
repeat channels (the percentage of new programming to old is pretty small.
I recorded plenty so if I want to watch Disney I can playback the tapes,
which gives a similar service IMO) :)
> I only wish they would show Duck Tales overnight so that I can get them
> on tape!
I always preferred Talespin, though I did find a couple of Wuzzle eps on a
tape I did back in the 80's...
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Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> I would imagine B&BH would be early teens, at a guess. High school,
> pre-college (as if they would ever go to a coll!) It's a pity that MTV has
> backed away so much from animation as they did produce some great stuff. I
> love Daria, and Deathmatch is a good laugh too.
>
They probably would go to college, then drop out after getting repeatedly
stoned! MTV is just a shadow of its former self these days and VH1 is fast
heading the same way. They play the same crap, show the same uninspired
programmes and animation has taken a permanent back seat, with only repeats of
B&BH and CD on MTV2 at 9pm and 10pm respectively.
> > I remember last summer (the first time I ever looked at Toon Disney)
> > that they were only showing seasons 2-4 of TW during their marathons,
> > and it wasn't until Christmas that they got around to showing season one
> > and the Christmas special. The show does get a lot better from mid-way
> > through season two although season four was very patchy (some truly
> > great episodes and some of the worst)- almost as if the producers could
> > already see the Disney axe hanging over their heads... Disney has this
> > knack of killing shows once they reach 65 episodes.
>
> The trouble was that, by Christmas, my dosh was so tight that I had
> switched almost everything off and though I now have gone back to the
> standard package (everything but Movies, Sport and specials), I really
> can't justify spending the extra money per month on what are effectively
> repeat channels (the percentage of new programming to old is pretty small.
> I recorded plenty so if I want to watch Disney I can playback the tapes,
> which gives a similar service IMO) :)
>
I made the mistake of not doing this last year, because now the channels and
programming are vandalised with garish oversized DOGs and announcements during
the closing credits.
> > I only wish they would show Duck Tales overnight so that I can get them
> > on tape!
>
> I always preferred Talespin, though I did find a couple of Wuzzle eps on a
> tape I did back in the 80's...
>
Talespin was alright, but lacked the instant appeal of Duck Tales. What's
Wuzzle? It would be nice if these old shows were shown once in a while - At the
moment I have to rely on Kazaa downloads to see what the BBC/ITV/Disney Channel
refuse to show anymore...
Paul.
Chika
<uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I always preferred Talespin, though I did find a couple of Wuzzle eps
> > on a tape I did back in the 80's...
> >
> Talespin was alright, but lacked the instant appeal of Duck Tales.
> What's Wuzzle? It would be nice if these old shows were shown once in a
> while - At the moment I have to rely on Kazaa downloads to see what the
> BBC/ITV/Disney Channel refuse to show anymore...
You never saw the Wuzzles? It was a series that Disney did before the
Gummi Bears, featuring a number of creatures that were supposed to be made
up of mixtures of animals, for example Bumblelion, Butterbear, Rhinokey
and so on. The eps I have were shown on Thames TV in the late 1980's...
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ungvichian
> "ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
> news:4837c056.03072...@posting.google.com...
> > So I've been watching this Disney show for a couple weeks, and here
> > are what I've thought of it so far (note that I've only watched up to
> > the ep with Carver babysitting and the gang taking in a concert):
> Ah right - you've only seen half of season one, which IMHO was the weakest out
> of the four seasons.
Add the one with Tish's mom hanging out with them (just saw it this
past weekend... only saw a bit of the other half tho, where Lor was
talking with this other guy, and there were some "popular" girls
looking on).
> there's the 'CARP' line in 'Shoes of Destiny' - probably the only time the word
> 'crap' is hidden in the dialogue!
I saw that line, and I too was thinking: "Are they trying to hide
'crap' in the dialog?".
> > * Another unusual thing is that it's only the 3rd show I know of with
> > school-age kids as the main characters, but with little to no
> > involvement of school.
> It would be a crap show if it had 'Weekend' in the
> title but was set during the school week!
Of course. So far, the only references to school have been: Lor having
to study for a Civil War exam to avoid going to the military, and the
others trying to get her to pass the ball in 2-2 hoops for a "school
pride" game (next thing you know, she's fluffing pillows and paying
for pizza).
>
> > * What's with the pizza place changing management every stinkin' ep?
> > Just so they can have lame (but varying) pizza-related gags? Example
> > from when it was called "Pizzamergency": "You need a large pizza and
> > 360 cc of soda, stat!"
> There's only a few gags relating to the name of the pizza place throughout the
> show's two-year run. But yes, the theme is different in each episode, ranging
> from Surreal Pizza to I Can't Believe It's Pizza, but generally suit the plot in
> each episode.
In the one with Tish's mom: "'Famaroni' is on me!" After some confused
looks (she's got a Greek accent... is Soucie's stretchy-tape voice for
Tish supposed to pass off as an accent?), Ms. K then points to sign
saying "Farmeroni Pizza" (this week, they were at the Pizza Farm, and
I think they made a gag out of this particular one).
>
> > * And as for Tino talking to the viewer... I think Saved By The Bell's
> > Zack did it better.
> >
> Yeah, but SBTB isn't a cartoon! ;-)
But the animated medium actually allows for more "freedom". Would you
expect Zack to show how the cool people see the world (like Tino does
in the ep with the shoes)?
ungvichian
> In the one with Tish's mom: "'Famaroni' is on me!" After some confused
> looks (she's got a Greek accent... is Soucie's stretchy-tape voice for
> Tish supposed to pass off as an accent?), Ms. K then points to sign
> saying "Farmeroni Pizza" (this week, they were at the Pizza Farm, and
> I think they made a gag out of this particular one).
Whoops. Looks like I made a pair of mistakes on this one ;-) :
* Since Tish still has her dad, it sould be Mrs. K, and
* I forgot to say that it was Tish's mom who says the "Famaroni" line.
Hope this clears things up...
Chika
> > the word 'crap' is hidden in the dialogue!
> I saw that line, and I too was thinking: "Are they trying to hide 'crap'
> in the dialog?".
Sorry, but I still say that the most obvious example of hiding a naughty
word in an animation has to be The Trap Door, featuring Drut (that
annoying little creature that squeaks all over the place). :)
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"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <4837c056.03072...@posting.google.com>, ungvichian
> <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> > > there's the 'CARP' line in 'Shoes of Destiny' - probably the only time
> > > the word 'crap' is hidden in the dialogue!
>
> > I saw that line, and I too was thinking: "Are they trying to hide 'crap'
> > in the dialog?".
>
> Sorry, but I still say that the most obvious example of hiding a naughty
> word in an animation has to be The Trap Door, featuring Drut (that
> annoying little creature that squeaks all over the place). :)
>
enlighten me all the same?!
Now, if only I could find soem Trap Door episodes on Kazaa - I'm getting all
nostalgic now! :-)
Paul.
Paul Evans
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> "Paul Evans" <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4837c056.03072...@posting.google.com...
word
> > 'crap' is hidden in the dialogue!
>
> I saw that line, and I too was thinking: "Are they trying to hide
> 'crap' in the dialog?".
>
Carver: I'm going to become CARP.
Tino: Did you just say "carp"?
Carver: Yeah. It stands for what I want to be. "Cool And Radically Popular".
Tino: Hah. Good thing you don't want to be "Cool, Rich And Popular," huh?
Carver: Why?...
> > > * Another unusual thing is that it's only the 3rd show I know of with
> > > school-age kids as the main characters, but with little to no
> > > involvement of school.
> > It would be a crap show if it had 'Weekend' in the
> > title but was set during the school week!
>
> Of course. So far, the only references to school have been: Lor having
> to study for a Civil War exam to avoid going to the military, and the
> others trying to get her to pass the ball in 2-2 hoops for a "school
> pride" game (next thing you know, she's fluffing pillows and paying
> for pizza).
>
'Home@Work' and 'Sense And Sensitivity'. Two quite amusing episodes, especially
the second one where Lor tries her best to be nice but ends up irritating the
others even more than usual. There are a lot of school references dotted around
in the later seasons though, so keep a look out for them. If you're interested,
there's a complete episode listing at 'The Weekenders Shrine'
(http://www.geocities.com/lormacquarrie/weekenders.html), though unfortunately,
the site's no-longer updated. TVTome also has one as well (don't get confused
with the conflicting season four episode titles though - the ones listed on The
Weekenders Shrine were some we made up in the absence of official titles, whilst
TVTome's listings are more up-to-date with official names).
> >
> > > * What's with the pizza place changing management every stinkin' ep?
> > > Just so they can have lame (but varying) pizza-related gags? Example
> > > from when it was called "Pizzamergency": "You need a large pizza and
> > > 360 cc of soda, stat!"
> > There's only a few gags relating to the name of the pizza place throughout
the
> > show's two-year run. But yes, the theme is different in each episode,
ranging
> > from Surreal Pizza to I Can't Believe It's Pizza, but generally suit the
plot in
> > each episode.
>
> In the one with Tish's mom: "'Famaroni' is on me!" After some confused
> looks (she's got a Greek accent... is Soucie's stretchy-tape voice for
> Tish supposed to pass off as an accent?), Ms. K then points to sign
> saying "Farmeroni Pizza" (this week, they were at the Pizza Farm, and
> I think they made a gag out of this particular one).
>
> >
> > > * And as for Tino talking to the viewer... I think Saved By The Bell's
> > > Zack did it better.
> > >
> > Yeah, but SBTB isn't a cartoon! ;-)
>
> But the animated medium actually allows for more "freedom". Would you
> expect Zack to show how the cool people see the world (like Tino does
> in the ep with the shoes)?
Possibly, though with a little imagination. One thing I do like about these
narrative parts in The Weekenders is the way the background fades to grey,
something that I had never seen before in a cartoon.
Paul.
Chika
<uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> news:4c190caa...@no.spam.here...
> > In article <4837c056.03072...@posting.google.com>,
> > ungvichian <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> > > > there's the 'CARP' line in 'Shoes of Destiny' - probably the only
> > > > time the word 'crap' is hidden in the dialogue!
> >
> > > I saw that line, and I too was thinking: "Are they trying to hide
> > > 'crap' in the dialog?".
> >
> > Sorry, but I still say that the most obvious example of hiding a
> > naughty word in an animation has to be The Trap Door, featuring Drut
> > (that annoying little creature that squeaks all over the place). :)
> >
> I think I may have been young and innocent back then, but would you care
> to enlighten me all the same?!
This was a short clay animation based around Burke, an amorphous blob type
creature who was the servant of the thing upstairs (you never get to see
that, but you hear it plenty!) Drut is Burke's pet, and there's also
Boney, a talking skull that lives under the stairs. The trap door from
which the series took its name is in the middle of the kitchen, from which
all sorts of horrid nasties keep coming up, which is where much of the
story comes from.
All voices were done by the late Willie Rushton of Private Eye fame.
> Now, if only I could find soem Trap Door episodes on Kazaa - I'm getting
> all nostalgic now! :-)
It did see at least one video release, though I doubt you would find it
now. As for Kazaa... pass! :)
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... If you really want to know, you won't ask me.
ungvichian
> are what I've thought of it so far (note that I've only watched up to
> the ep with Carver babysitting and the gang taking in a concert):
Tomorrow, I'll be watching another ep of this show, but before then,
here are some more thoughts on this specific pair of stories.
* The sitters story is the first time we get to see Carv's sibs (the
only time, perhaps?): little brother Todd and an unnamed big sis (the
IMDB doesn't give any name for her... :-/). Both of whom are voiced by
Cree Summer (who also does Carv's mom... BTW, Carv's dad is voiced by
the same person as Carv, Phil LaMarr). They both sure sounded Summer-y
(altho not Carv's mom, who actually sounds like a normal person)...
Seems like Summer is still making money with that freaky voice of hers
(I've seen her using it in Kids Next Door), tho not as much.
* This is not the only time Summer has done the voice of 2 sibs: in
the Rugrats ep Kwanzaa, not only doews she voice Susie, but also her
older bro Edwin.
* Did they *have* to open both stories the same way? (Over the
"Friday" slide in both stories, a bunch of marbles appears, revealing
to be a game of afterschool marbles. And in both cases, it's unrelated
to the plot.) When I saw the 2nd story, I was thinking that something
must have been wrong at the station.
Paul Evans
> ungvi...@thaimail.com (ungvichian) wrote in message
news:<4837c056.03072...@posting.google.com>...
> > So I've been watching this Disney show for a couple weeks, and here
> > are what I've thought of it so far (note that I've only watched up to
> > the ep with Carver babysitting and the gang taking in a concert):
>
> Tomorrow, I'll be watching another ep of this show, but before then,
> here are some more thoughts on this specific pair of stories.
>
> * The sitters story is the first time we get to see Carv's sibs (the
> only time, perhaps?): little brother Todd and an unnamed big sis (the
> IMDB doesn't give any name for her... :-/).
she appears several times during the show's run. There is even an episode in the
fourth season that involves her relationship with Lor's brother Kirk! Todd also
appears a few times - once in 'Sitters' (as we already know), again in 'Never
Say Diarama' and also the Penny/Kirk episode 'The Date Arrangement' (whatever
the official name is I'm not sure). There's a few other instances that I can't
recall at the moment.
Both of whom are voiced by
> Cree Summer (who also does Carv's mom... BTW, Carv's dad is voiced by
> the same person as Carv, Phil LaMarr). They both sure sounded Summer-y
> (altho not Carv's mom, who actually sounds like a normal person)...
> Seems like Summer is still making money with that freaky voice of hers
> (I've seen her using it in Kids Next Door), tho not as much.
I've never seen Kids Next Door (I don't think it even gets shown over here), but
she does seem to have strange voices for Penny and Todd!
> * This is not the only time Summer has done the voice of 2 sibs: in
> the Rugrats ep Kwanzaa, not only doews she voice Susie, but also her
> older bro Edwin.
> * Did they *have* to open both stories the same way? (Over the
> "Friday" slide in both stories, a bunch of marbles appears, revealing
> to be a game of afterschool marbles. And in both cases, it's unrelated
> to the plot.) When I saw the 2nd story, I was thinking that something
> must have been wrong at the station.
This was still a new show at the time, so I'd imagine that the initial budget
wasn't that high. It is strange that the producers opted to use precisely the
same footage for two episodes that were shown side-by-side (I assume that these
episodes are shown in pairs where you are?). I suppose that when it same to the
second episode, they needed something short to fill in the few seconds leading
into Tino's narrative. I can't recall the episodes at the moment, but did they
use the same colours for the 'Friday' card in both episodes?
Paul.
ungvichian
> There is even an episode in the
> fourth season that involves her relationship with Lor's brother Kirk!
I don't know if the local broadcaster will get that far... they only
showed Lloyd in Space's first 2 seasons (as well as Neither Boy Nor
Girl).
> I've never seen Kids Next Door (I don't think it even gets shown over here), but
> she does seem to have strange voices for Penny and Todd!
KND hasn't been shown over here either... except as part of Cartoon
Cartoon Fridays last month.
>
> > * This is not the only time Summer has done the voice of 2 sibs: in
> > the Rugrats ep Kwanzaa, not only doews she voice Susie, but also her
> > older bro Edwin.
And of course, there's the James twins on Pepper Ann. D'oh!
> This was still a new show at the time, so I'd imagine that the initial budget
> wasn't that high. It is strange that the producers opted to use precisely the
> same footage for two episodes that were shown side-by-side (I assume that these
> episodes are shown in pairs where you are?).
Yes.
> I suppose that when it same to the
> second episode, they needed something short to fill in the few seconds leading
> into Tino's narrative. I can't recall the episodes at the moment, but did they
> use the same colours for the 'Friday' card in both episodes?
Yellow on green IIRC.
And now, this week on the eptitle-free zone:
* The gang learns about what to do (and what really happens) at a
"clown-less" party, and
* The gang plays "pudding ball", a game not unlike paintball (do we
*really* need another "best friends having to play against each other"
story?).
Pizza, BTW, came from these 2 places: Pizza of Mind (with an Indian
theme: "A cheese pizza served with tranquility" "Can we substitute
soda for the tranquility?") and Deep Dish 9 (done Star Trek style: the
whoosh noise sounds like it was stock... doesn't Lloyd in Space use
it?).
My thoughts on this pair (and general for the series):
* Here's one particular Disney trademark this show uses: morals (and
plot developments) you can see coming from a mile away.
* Nice touch of a wheelchaired kid playing pudding ball... as well as
the brief B&W "comic art" animation in the first story.
* This is the first time we hear everyone's last name (with the
announcement of the finalists for pudding ball). OK, we've heard
Carver's and Tish's before (in the stories with Tish's statue and the
Shakespeare play she's in)...
* What's with people saying that when you're a preteen, you stop
thinking of members of the opposite sex as just friends? And what's
with complaining that TV isn't portraying it as such? (Next Saturday
though, Nick will fix that a bit with the new As Told By Ginger ep
"Far From Home": Ginger goes to arts school in the mountains... check
out her neighbor Darren does.)
* Speaking of sex, Tish actually says that word in the first story.
Okay, in the sense of gender...
(Scroll down for more notes that someone who hasn't seen this pair yet
shouldn't see.)
* Why do stories about school dances in toons often seem to end with
an empty floor and lots of people at the walls?
* A personal note. When I was watching this, as soon as some official
was reading out Tish and Tino's DQ and someone was announcing that
Carver and Lor had quit (yeah, I could tell it was Carver), I had to
put on the kettle for my dad's coffee (I'm actually old enough to do
this... think about it). Next thing I knew (about 30 seconds later),
the gang was made to scoop up pudding balls. This begs the question:
what the heck happened?
* If I guess correctly though, I presume that both finalists got DQ'd.
This would make it a rarity on TV: a tie. Other instances I can recall
(or have heard of):
- Clifford: Birds at home v. Sharks, soccer game, 4-4. Jetta rues over
missing open shot in final seconds to win.
- Bobby's World: ISTR that there was an ep between 2 different
families, where Bobby learned the taste of victory and defeat (after,
I believe, tug of war) in fantasy sequences, and it featured a Ben Hur
parody. At the end some guy said that the deciding race (bikes?) was a
tie. I think... anyone care to verify this for me?
- Hey Arnold!: Grandpa Phil v. Robby Fisher, Chinese checkers... why
does Phil get the trophy?
- Rocket Power: Sibs Otto and Reggie share crown, after DQing of first
place in NZ competition.
And, in live action:
- The Olsens' Switching Goals: Scoreless final w/ one Olsen GKing in
the final seconds... enough said.
- Love Boat: Wine tasting contest finalists (now a couple) DQ'd for
(deliberately) missing.
Paul Evans
<snip>
> > I suppose that when it same to the
> > second episode, they needed something short to fill in the few seconds
leading
> > into Tino's narrative. I can't recall the episodes at the moment, but did
they
> > use the same colours for the 'Friday' card in both episodes?
>
> Yellow on green IIRC.
>
> And now, this week on the eptitle-free zone:
> * The gang learns about what to do (and what really happens) at a
> "clown-less" party, and
> * The gang plays "pudding ball", a game not unlike paintball (do we
> *really* need another "best friends having to play against each other"
> story?).
"Party Planning" and "Pudding Ball" (though why the show's credits never
included episode names remains a mystery - then again, look at The Simpsons!).
If you think the 'best friends competing against each other" theme has already
been done to death, just wait for the second season where it's 'best friends
fall out - again, and again, and again...', with the odd directionless
Lor/Thompson ep thrown in to break the cycle!
> Pizza, BTW, came from these 2 places: Pizza of Mind (with an Indian
> theme: "A cheese pizza served with tranquility" "Can we substitute
> soda for the tranquility?") and Deep Dish 9 (done Star Trek style: the
> whoosh noise sounds like it was stock... doesn't Lloyd in Space use
> it?).
Probably - there's quite a few recycled sound effects used across Disney's
shows.
> My thoughts on this pair (and general for the series):
> * Here's one particular Disney trademark this show uses: morals (and
> plot developments) you can see coming from a mile away.
The morals thing was off-putting for me, but then I'm an adult and the show's
not preaching to me (though I can get cheap laughs from the 'CRAP' joke!). The
whole moralistic approach in the show begins to give way in season two to the
more familiar 'screwed either way' approach instead. This usually affects Tino,
but Carver and Tish slip up from time to time as well. Lor, on the other hand is
always right(!).
> * Nice touch of a wheelchaired kid playing pudding ball... as well as
> the brief B&W "comic art" animation in the first story.
Initially, I saw this as typically 'PC', but thankfully, we see this character
often in future shows, so he's not there as a token figure.
> * This is the first time we hear everyone's last name (with the
> announcement of the finalists for pudding ball). OK, we've heard
> Carver's and Tish's before (in the stories with Tish's statue and the
> Shakespeare play she's in)...
> * What's with people saying that when you're a preteen, you stop
> thinking of members of the opposite sex as just friends? And what's
> with complaining that TV isn't portraying it as such? (Next Saturday
> though, Nick will fix that a bit with the new As Told By Ginger ep
> "Far From Home": Ginger goes to arts school in the mountains... check
> out her neighbor Darren does.)
I never really got this. I didn't see girls as being anything other than friends
right up to the age of seventeen. I suppose I'm in a minority! It's probably
tied into this belief that kids in today's western society mature far more
quickly (usually around the age of 12) than say, twenty years ago. With all the
advertising and magazines promoting maturity through designer labels and 'diets'
(if you've ever had a look inside a teenage girl's magazine, you'd be convinced
you were reading a version of Jerry Springer!), kids grow up far too quickly,
and TV is a reflection of that.
> * Speaking of sex, Tish actually says that word in the first story.
> Okay, in the sense of gender...
> (Scroll down for more notes that someone who hasn't seen this pair yet
> shouldn't see.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * Why do stories about school dances in toons often seem to end with
> an empty floor and lots of people at the walls?
I've noticed this as well. Lloyd In Space, The Weekenders and a couple of shows
I watched a few years ago certainly did this. I liked the way the show had it's
own phrase for this phenomenon: 'LGS - Lateral Gravity Syndrome'. I wonder how
close to reality this was...?
> * A personal note. When I was watching this, as soon as some official
> was reading out Tish and Tino's DQ and someone was announcing that
> Carver and Lor had quit (yeah, I could tell it was Carver), I had to
> put on the kettle for my dad's coffee (I'm actually old enough to do
> this... think about it). Next thing I knew (about 30 seconds later),
> the gang was made to scoop up pudding balls. This begs the question:
> what the heck happened?
Carver and Lor were disqualified for impersonating an official (I think Carver
was imitating Mrs. Duong, but I'm not sure). Quite mundane really, as it
would've been better if they had actuall won the thing.
> * If I guess correctly though, I presume that both finalists got DQ'd.
> This would make it a rarity on TV: a tie. Other instances I can recall
> (or have heard of):
> - Clifford: Birds at home v. Sharks, soccer game, 4-4. Jetta rues over
> missing open shot in final seconds to win.
> - Bobby's World: ISTR that there was an ep between 2 different
> families, where Bobby learned the taste of victory and defeat (after,
> I believe, tug of war) in fantasy sequences, and it featured a Ben Hur
> parody. At the end some guy said that the deciding race (bikes?) was a
> tie. I think... anyone care to verify this for me?
> - Hey Arnold!: Grandpa Phil v. Robby Fisher, Chinese checkers... why
> does Phil get the trophy?
> - Rocket Power: Sibs Otto and Reggie share crown, after DQing of first
> place in NZ competition.
> And, in live action:
> - The Olsens' Switching Goals: Scoreless final w/ one Olsen GKing in
> the final seconds... enough said.
> - Love Boat: Wine tasting contest finalists (now a couple) DQ'd for
> (deliberately) missing.
The Simpsons - Lisa and Bart call a tie in the Ice Hockey match. Where did you
find the time to come up with all this stuff!!?! :)
Paul.
ungvichian
> "ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
> news:4837c056.03080...@posting.google.com...
Actually, I think it was *blue* on green.
> "Party Planning" and "Pudding Ball" (though why the show's credits never
> included episode names remains a mystery - then again, look at The Simpsons!).
That's b/c The Simpsons is made for primetime. Primetime shows
*usually* don't have ep titles anyway.
Now, Weekenders is a daytime show, so it's all the more surprising...
> > (Scroll down for more notes that someone who hasn't seen this pair yet
> > shouldn't see.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Carver and Lor were disqualified for impersonating an official (I think Carver
> was imitating Mrs. Duong, but I'm not sure).
Thought so.
> Quite mundane really, as it
> would've been better if they had actuall won the thing.
But it wouldn't have lent to the moral now, would it? ;-)
>
> > * If I guess correctly though, I presume that both finalists got DQ'd.
> > This would make it a rarity on TV: a tie. Other instances I can recall
> > (or have heard of):
> The Simpsons - Lisa and Bart call a tie in the Ice Hockey match. Where did you
> find the time to come up with all this stuff!!?! :)
Actualy, I accumulated all this having watched lots of TV, and knowing
which websites to look at. BTW, which Simpsons ep was this?
ungvichian
> If you think the 'best friends competing against each other" theme has already
> been done to death,
Not on this show, mind you, but rather on TV in general... not that
I've ever encountered an example, though I have read an American Girls
book (you heard of this particular book series?) whose plot mostly
revolves around the main character and her friend being put on
opposite sides during a summer camp game. (These book belonged to my
sis, and she was none too happy about me reading them.)
> just wait for the second season where it's 'best friends
> fall out - again, and again, and again...', with the odd directionless
> Lor/Thompson ep thrown in to break the cycle!
Who's Thompson... a 2nd season character perhaps?
> > (Scroll down for more notes that someone who hasn't seen this pair yet
> > shouldn't see.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > * Why do stories about school dances in toons often seem to end with
> > an empty floor and lots of people at the walls?
> I've noticed this as well. Lloyd In Space (...) did this.
At least Lloyd got the dance started, as well as The Simpsons (Lard of
the Dance, where Lisa meets a new popular girl, who ends up befuddled
at why the school dance is empty except for the walls, even with their
presence).
> (I think Carver
> was imitating Mrs. Duong, but I'm not sure).
I don't know who this Duong is, so I wouldn't know. But I do know he
was impersonating the woman official.
Here's the real story on how I missed Carver and Lor's DQ. It's
interesting:
So, the guy official got splat by a pair of pudding balls, and he was
talking to Tino and Tish about their DQ (false advertising, improper
use of equipment, and splatting the official).
Meanwhile, my dad was carrying the laundry down and told me to put on
the kettle for coffee. Now, at home, we use a gas stove. I had to turn
the knob, and then use a "lighter gun" to light the flame.
OK, right after I heard Carver impersonating the woman official, I
went and lit the stove, and then rushed back into the room (I couldn't
hear what was going on from the kitchen, even though it's right next
to the room with the TV).
Only problem: dad was standing in the narrow doorway, so I told dad to
get out of the way (rather frantically, as I didn't want to miss
anything). He wouldn't let me in because I was still holding the
lighter gun, and he told me put the lighter gun back. I had to oblige
(it was my dad), so I ended up wasting about 15 more seconds that I
would have liked. Next thing I knew, the gang was complaining about
cleaning up the field, and Tino had his usual outro.
I spent the rest of the day complaining to dad that he should have
just let me in with the lighter gun (it was mostly "I was going to put
it back after I'd finished watching").
Now, the local broadcaster here doesn't repeat eps. They just run
through the available eps once in production order, and then replace
it with another toon. This situation is thus kinda like the scene from
an ep of The Simpsons with the rock tumbler. That's why I asked what
happened. (Seeing that you put up the "crap" joke, could you oblige me
a bit more? In other words, do you remember the dialog from the
minute-or-so of action I described above?)
Well, I'll be posting in this thread again after this Saturday's show,
so until then... well, I guess it's better if I didn't say it. ;-)
Paul Evans
> "Paul Evans" <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bgm7ss$ptsci$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > If you think the 'best friends competing against each other" theme has
already
> > been done to death,
>
> Not on this show, mind you, but rather on TV in general... not that
> I've ever encountered an example, though I have read an American Girls
> book (you heard of this particular book series?) whose plot mostly
> revolves around the main character and her friend being put on
> opposite sides during a summer camp game. (These book belonged to my
> sis, and she was none too happy about me reading them.)
>
last book I actually read was Steven King's Insomnia, but I get the idea.
> > just wait for the second season where it's 'best friends
> > fall out - again, and again, and again...', with the odd directionless
> > Lor/Thompson ep thrown in to break the cycle!
>
> Who's Thompson... a 2nd season character perhaps?
>
Thompson is introduced in the very first episode 'Crush Test Dummies' and
appears in another S1 episode 'Makeover'. The problem is, that once you've seen
these two episodes, it really sets the tone for the Lor/Thompson
relationship -i.e. it doesn't really go anywhere largely due to Lor making an
idiot of herself.
> > > (Scroll down for more notes that someone who hasn't seen this pair yet
> > > shouldn't see.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > * Why do stories about school dances in toons often seem to end with
> > > an empty floor and lots of people at the walls?
> > I've noticed this as well. Lloyd In Space (...) did this.
>
> At least Lloyd got the dance started, as well as The Simpsons (Lard of
> the Dance, where Lisa meets a new popular girl, who ends up befuddled
> at why the school dance is empty except for the walls, even with their
> presence).
>
> > (I think Carver
> > was imitating Mrs. Duong, but I'm not sure).
>
> I don't know who this Duong is, so I wouldn't know. But I do know he
> was impersonating the woman official.
She was the woman official. She doesn't really have that much of a role in the
first season but becomes more prominent in the second.
Not off-hand, though no doubt it'll be repeated in a few weeks over here...
> Well, I'll be posting in this thread again after this Saturday's show,
> so until then... well, I guess it's better if I didn't say it. ;-)
What? Uh... 'Later days!'? ;-)
Paul.
Zikim1
just not shown on the air :)
Chika
Paul Evans <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, I'll be posting in this thread again after this Saturday's show,
> > so until then... well, I guess it's better if I didn't say it. ;-)
> What? Uh... 'Later days!'? ;-)
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
That Love-Hewitt bimbo had the right of it! :)
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Paul Evans
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> all and i do mean all tv sersies do have names/titles for all episodes just
are
> just not shown on the air :)
I think Family Guy is another show that doesn't feature ep titles on-screen - or
at least I didn't spot any of them when I watched the DVDs tonight...
Paul.
Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <bgrga3$podua$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Paul Evans <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, I'll be posting in this thread again after this Saturday's show,
> > > so until then... well, I guess it's better if I didn't say it. ;-)
>
> > What? Uh... 'Later days!'? ;-)
>
> AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>
> That Love-Hewitt bimbo had the right of it! :)
>
Paul.
Chika
Paul Evans <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > That Love-Hewitt bimbo had the right of it! :)
> >
> 'Later days! (I feel like such a dork!...)' Very funny line!
Almost as good as some of the more memorable Freakazoid lines, e.g. "Watch
the lips sync, boys!" (and the animation that followed...)
Or, of course, the dub line from the Tenchi OAV series that went; "I've
got magic fingers!" ^_^
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ungvichian
> Thompson is introduced in the very first episode 'Crush Test Dummies' and
> appears in another S1 episode 'Makeover'.
So that's why I don't know of him... those were 2 of the only 3 eps I
never saw. The other one was the ep that was paired with Crush Test
Dummies. I think I may have caught the end of Makeover tho... is that
the guy Lor's talking to at the end with the popular girls looking on?
> > Well, I'll be posting in this thread again after this Saturday's show,
> > so until then... well, I guess it's better if I didn't say it. ;-)
>
> What? Uh... 'Later days!'? ;-)
Exactly. :-)
Paul Evans
> "Paul Evans" <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bgrga3$podua$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > Thompson is introduced in the very first episode 'Crush Test Dummies' and
> > appears in another S1 episode 'Makeover'.
>
> So that's why I don't know of him... those were 2 of the only 3 eps I
> never saw. The other one was the ep that was paired with Crush Test
> Dummies. I think I may have caught the end of Makeover tho... is that
> the guy Lor's talking to at the end with the popular girls looking on?
>
well - Christy and Candy, probably two of the most screwed-up characters in the
show! You learn (quite shockingly for a Disney show) that these two girls are
obsessed with fashion, diets and plastic surgery, and all because of some freaky
anorexic model that they are fixated with. They only make one other appearence
in the show's two-year run though, and that was in a later episode called
'Revenge'.
Actually, there's one other thing you've just brought up there - 'popular'.
These girls aren't, but you get to learn quite quickly that there are several
high school (just what is a 'middle school'?) cliques in place in the show -
There's the popular kids (who you get to see in a later season), the 'cool
kids' - well, Bree and Colby (whose first appearance was in 'Shoes of Destiny' -
better known as 'That 'crap' episode'), the 'weird' kids - Bluke and 'I like
pointy things' Frances and numerous others who get introduced as the show goes
on. What is unique is the friendship between the main characters because
socially, they belong in different groups - Lor (the jock), Tish (the brainy
one), Carver (the cool one) and Tino (the, erm... ). You are led to believe that
in the US, these distinctive groups hardly ever mix, yet we have four characters
who really belong in seperate groups. Coming from the UK though, this sort of
thing never really existed when I was at school, and I used to wonder why US
shows always had this distinction between jocks, nerds, geeks, social outcasts
and so on (shows like Sabrina The Teenage Witch - or is that Thirtysomething
Witch? - play on this heavily).
> > > Well, I'll be posting in this thread again after this Saturday's show,
> > > so until then... well, I guess it's better if I didn't say it. ;-)
> >
> > What? Uh... 'Later days!'? ;-)
>
> Exactly. :-)
Tino: Say 'later days'!
Bluke: 'Later Days'? That's the retirement home where my granny lives!
Paul.
Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <bgrvmc$s4ofp$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Paul Evans <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > That Love-Hewitt bimbo had the right of it! :)
> > >
> > 'Later days! (I feel like such a dork!...)' Very funny line!
>
> Almost as good as some of the more memorable Freakazoid lines, e.g. "Watch
> the lips sync, boys!" (and the animation that followed...)
>
> Or, of course, the dub line from the Tenchi OAV series that went; "I've
> got magic fingers!" ^_^
>
things? I blame 'That 70s Show' myself :)
Paul.
(Who's going to feel lost when CNX bites the dust...)
ungvichian
Carv gets tough after kicking someone while playing soccer. Let's
check out what I think:
- Mrs. Duong gets identified by name: a fat lady with purple shades
and brown hair. You said she was the lady official in pudding ball,
right?
- No pizza this week... but we do have another visit to Foods of the
World at the anthroplogy museum (last time, Tino was hoping to get
baklava for "The Perfect Weekend"... this time, it's shark meat from
Iceland).
- I watched "Popular Mechanics for Kids" (you heard of this show?) a
couple weeks back, and they also had an "extreme jacks" gag. Hardly
funny the first time, I might add.
- And how about this?: A rare mention of rugby, in a US cartoon. Not
the only time tho: Rocket Power also had an ep about rugby... to be
more precise, sportsgirl Reggie's desire to play the sport (however,
the fact that Trent, some kid from NZ, isn't teaching her about it
isn't helping).
- Lor + her 14 brothers = 15... the amount of players on a rugby team
(the Union type.. the League type uses either 14 or 11, I'm not sure).
BTW, couldn't they have come up with a better name for her?
More follows shortly.
- First, is it just me, or is it that "practice makes perfect" is an
adage TV never seems to follow to the fullest? (Say what you want, but
there *are* places better than 3rd place.) Here are some other
instances:
* Hey Arnold!: Helga trains for city academic contest, but then ends
up pulling out before the competition even starts to allow her (more
intellegient, and thus more deserving) friend Phoebe to compete. And
Phoebe takes all the marbles, without having even trained for it at
all.
* Rocket Power: The aforementioned Reggie trains hard and long for a
junior triathlon... and ends up pulling out mid swim over a matter of
chocolate syrup. I still don't understand that.
And 2 examples from live action:
* Boy Meets World: Mr. Feeny has to train Cory for a geography contest
since the school genius isn't interested (the prize isn't the atlas
they usually give). The eventual winner also is not pleased at the
prize: getting to be a ballboy (in the winner's case, a ballgirl) at a
baseball game.
* Honeymooners: Ralph misses on first question in $64k Question
ripoff: "Who wrote Swannee River?" "Ed Norton."
- To be fair, you probably don't expect anyone who's only been
training for a few days to beat someone who trained for so long. Just
getting 3rd is already none short of a miracle.
- The first story ends *without* Tino saying "later days" (instead, he
plays air guitar)... a first, perhaps?
- We also have some guy named Laird here, who appears in both stories:
as the 1st-placer in horseshoes in the first story, and the guy Carv
supposedly kicked in a soccer game at the start of the second (which
leads to Carv acting tough). Bahia's resident jock, right?
And now some more general thoughts (including one on how the show is
presented over here):
- I recognize Tish's and Tino's opening titles clips from the ep with
the statue ("Throwing Carver", right?). Tino gets splat by the
spaghetti from an errant shot by Tish, and Tish is using modeling clay
to model Carv.
- Over here, all the shows that are shown in the block are shown with
just one ad break. Perfect for say, Pepper Ann and this show, but not
so for shows that are composed of 7 minute segments. The local
broadcaster here usually takes the first ad break but skips the 2nd,
though there have been occasions in which they go the other way: for
example, the ep of House of Mouse with Daisy as a magician takes the
first ad break before they even get to the first short, and the local
broadcaster thus takes the 2nd break instead. You can imagine what it
would have looked like.
- One interesting anomaly from the above "happened" when they aired
Teamo Supremo (which occupied the same timeslot before Tino came
along). It's a 2 story show like Weekenders... but instead of being 2
15 minuters, it borrows its format from The Powerpuff Girls: a 7
minute story and a 14 minute story (split in half by an adbreak). The
style isn't very Disney either (superhero stories? four-fingered
people?)... it's tolerable, but weak by Disney standards. Anyhow,
let's get to the point. The first ep shown wasn't "In The Beginning"
(that was shown in the 2nd week)... oddly, they aired the first one
with the Birthday Bandit instead (paired with the one with the
"Hoo-ka" kid with the magnet). Now, it's bad (and confusing) enough
that if you tuned in midway through the 2nd adbreak, the 2nd half of
that story begins with BB stunning the kids with a noisemaker saying
"Like this"... but it gets worse. This particular scene also closes
out the first half of this story (the "like this" is in response to
Crandall asking something like "How are you going to stop us with that
noisemaker?"). So, over here, in effect, we see this scene twice in a
row! Besides, the use of the scene at the beginning is a bit
redundant. If they opened on the kids being unstunned, it wouldn't
have affected the storytelling a bit.
Juan F. Lara
ungvichian <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> - Mrs. Duong gets identified by name: a fat lady with purple shades
> and brown hair.
She's pregnant. You couldn't tell??
- Juan F. Lara
http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/lara6281/intro.html
Paul Evans
> This week: Tino looks for a sport to play at the school picnic, and
> Carv gets tough after kicking someone while playing soccer. Let's
> check out what I think:
one.
> - Mrs. Duong gets identified by name: a fat lady with purple shades
> and brown hair. You said she was the lady official in pudding ball,
> right?
Yep. She's not fat though - she's pregnant and remains so throughout the show's
65 episode run.
> - No pizza this week... but we do have another visit to Foods of the
> World at the anthroplogy museum (last time, Tino was hoping to get
> baklava for "The Perfect Weekend"... this time, it's shark meat from
> Iceland).
I find these 'Foods of the World' segments hilarious because the FOTW Lady
obviously hates her job, and shows it by describing the food in the worst
possible way. There was one epsiode, 'Diary' where the food on offer was snails
from France, under the banner 'Something squichy from Vichy' (I could think of
something else that's squishy from Vichy, but I'll save the WW2 gags for another
time).
> - I watched "Popular Mechanics for Kids" (you heard of this show?) a
> couple weeks back, and they also had an "extreme jacks" gag. Hardly
> funny the first time, I might add.
That's a Discovery show right? I've seen it before when I first got digital TV
(back in the days when I was a university student), but not this particular
episode.
> - And how about this?: A rare mention of rugby, in a US cartoon. Not
> the only time tho: Rocket Power also had an ep about rugby... to be
> more precise, sportsgirl Reggie's desire to play the sport (however,
> the fact that Trent, some kid from NZ, isn't teaching her about it
> isn't helping).
One thing that annoys me about US cartoons (and I think US programming in
general) is the portrayal of the UK in them. As far as England is concerned,
London is the only city in it, and Scotland is 'in England' (whereas of course
it isn't - it's a separate country with it's own Government but collectively
part of the UK). Oh and Manchester (where I live) is virtually a town with a
permanent monsoon climate!
> - Lor + her 14 brothers = 15... the amount of players on a rugby team
> (the Union type.. the League type uses either 14 or 11, I'm not sure).
> BTW, couldn't they have come up with a better name for her?
Well, it's a short name for a short-tempered character! It could be short for
something, though what I'll never know...
> More follows shortly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - First, is it just me, or is it that "practice makes perfect" is an
> adage TV never seems to follow to the fullest? (Say what you want, but
> there *are* places better than 3rd place.) Here are some other
> instances:
> * Hey Arnold!: Helga trains for city academic contest, but then ends
> up pulling out before the competition even starts to allow her (more
> intellegient, and thus more deserving) friend Phoebe to compete. And
> Phoebe takes all the marbles, without having even trained for it at
> all.
> * Rocket Power: The aforementioned Reggie trains hard and long for a
> junior triathlon... and ends up pulling out mid swim over a matter of
> chocolate syrup. I still don't understand that.
> And 2 examples from live action:
> * Boy Meets World: Mr. Feeny has to train Cory for a geography contest
> since the school genius isn't interested (the prize isn't the atlas
> they usually give). The eventual winner also is not pleased at the
> prize: getting to be a ballboy (in the winner's case, a ballgirl) at a
> baseball game.
> * Honeymooners: Ralph misses on first question in $64k Question
> ripoff: "Who wrote Swannee River?" "Ed Norton."
> - To be fair, you probably don't expect anyone who's only been
> training for a few days to beat someone who trained for so long. Just
> getting 3rd is already none short of a miracle.
I think it's down to realism, and not placing a burden on viewers who
by-and-large will be young children who want to escape to a world where there is
no pressure to win everything or to always do their best. Practice doesn't
always make perfect, and with Tino who has to start from scratch, third place is
a highly unrealistic proposition!
> - The first story ends *without* Tino saying "later days" (instead, he
> plays air guitar)... a first, perhaps?
I think there is another instance where he doesn't say it as well. The air
guitar thing was quite amusing in the way it annoyed the others, and as a way of
showing off at the end, he does it again, knowing that the closing credits will
kick in before the others have a go at him!
> - We also have some guy named Laird here, who appears in both stories:
> as the 1st-placer in horseshoes in the first story, and the guy Carv
> supposedly kicked in a soccer game at the start of the second (which
> leads to Carv acting tough). Bahia's resident jock, right?
There are two resident jocks who appear now and again in The Weekenders - Laird,
as you have already mentioned, and another called 'Hiro', who you will see in
the next season episode 'Taking Sides'. They go to a posh school (I don't know
what they call private schools in the States, but it's an equivalent to a
'public' school in the UK) and tend to show off a lot.
> And now some more general thoughts (including one on how the show is
> presented over here):
> - I recognize Tish's and Tino's opening titles clips from the ep with
> the statue ("Throwing Carver", right?). Tino gets splat by the
> spaghetti from an errant shot by Tish, and Tish is using modeling clay
> to model Carv.
Yep. Annoyingly, those opening shots do not change at any point in the show's
two-year run.
> - Over here, all the shows that are shown in the block are shown with
> just one ad break. Perfect for say, Pepper Ann and this show, but not
> so for shows that are composed of 7 minute segments. The local
> broadcaster here usually takes the first ad break but skips the 2nd,
> though there have been occasions in which they go the other way: for
> example, the ep of House of Mouse with Daisy as a magician takes the
> first ad break before they even get to the first short, and the local
> broadcaster thus takes the 2nd break instead. You can imagine what it
> would have looked like.
That could get messy. There are no advert breaks at all on Toon Disney in the
UK, just trailers for other shows after the cartoon's finished. The Weekenders
is either shown as a single episode, or a double depending on time of day. At
the moment, they are shown in four-hour blocks as part of Toon Disney's summer
Block Party schedule.
Adverts in general here are shown either ten (on cable) or fifteen (on
terrestrial) minutes into a programme. Sky One show adverts whenever they feel
like, usually when a programme has hit a climax (like their recent massacreing
of 'Haunted'), whilst the BBC don't show adverts at all, but occasionally ruin a
programme by making announcements during quiet periods (like in recent episodes
of '24').
> - One interesting anomaly from the above "happened" when they aired
> Teamo Supremo (which occupied the same timeslot before Tino came
> along). It's a 2 story show like Weekenders... but instead of being 2
> 15 minuters, it borrows its format from The Powerpuff Girls: a 7
> minute story and a 14 minute story (split in half by an adbreak). The
> style isn't very Disney either (superhero stories? four-fingered
> people?)... it's tolerable, but weak by Disney standards.
Teamo Supremo IMO is a poor man's Powerpuff Girls and little more. Poor
animation, no underlying characteristics and rubbish plots.
Anyhow,
> let's get to the point. The first ep shown wasn't "In The Beginning"
> (that was shown in the 2nd week)... oddly, they aired the first one
> with the Birthday Bandit instead (paired with the one with the
> "Hoo-ka" kid with the magnet). Now, it's bad (and confusing) enough
> that if you tuned in midway through the 2nd adbreak, the 2nd half of
> that story begins with BB stunning the kids with a noisemaker saying
> "Like this"... but it gets worse. This particular scene also closes
> out the first half of this story (the "like this" is in response to
> Crandall asking something like "How are you going to stop us with that
> noisemaker?"). So, over here, in effect, we see this scene twice in a
> row! Besides, the use of the scene at the beginning is a bit
> redundant. If they opened on the kids being unstunned, it wouldn't
> have affected the storytelling a bit.
That sounds like a very strange way of doing things. I know that in The
Simpsons, a few seconds would be repeated twice for the commercial break, where
there would be a fade-to-black, followed by a fade in with the scene repeated
(though Sky and the BBC cut out these 'repeats', but they're there on video). I
think what you're describing comes down to lazy editing on behalf of the
broadcaster.
Paul.
Paul Evans
"Juan F. Lara" <lj...@ces.clemson.edu> wrote in message
news:bh6l71$nth$2...@hubcap.clemson.edu...
> In article <4837c056.03081...@posting.google.com>,
> ungvichian <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> > - Mrs. Duong gets identified by name: a fat lady with purple shades
> > and brown hair.
>
> She's pregnant. You couldn't tell??
>
Paul.
Chika
<uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > - No pizza this week... but we do have another visit to Foods of the
> > World at the anthroplogy museum (last time, Tino was hoping to get
> > baklava for "The Perfect Weekend"... this time, it's shark meat from
> > Iceland).
> I find these 'Foods of the World' segments hilarious because the FOTW
> Lady obviously hates her job, and shows it by describing the food in the
> worst possible way. There was one epsiode, 'Diary' where the food on
> offer was snails from France, under the banner 'Something squichy from
> Vichy' (I could think of something else that's squishy from Vichy, but
> I'll save the WW2 gags for another time).
I love the way she said "Cous cous. The food so nice, they named it
twice"...
Though I could just be tishing, of course.
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Paul Evans <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Warm, safe, free food on tap, I guess it just doesn't want to come out!
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Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <bhativ$vjkg1$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> > A pregnancy that last two years!! That must be one mean feat!
>
> Warm, safe, free food on tap, I guess it just doesn't want to come out!
>
Paul.
Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <bhathp$vlvt9$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul Evans
> <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > - No pizza this week... but we do have another visit to Foods of the
> > > World at the anthroplogy museum (last time, Tino was hoping to get
> > > baklava for "The Perfect Weekend"... this time, it's shark meat from
> > > Iceland).
> > I find these 'Foods of the World' segments hilarious because the FOTW
> > Lady obviously hates her job, and shows it by describing the food in the
> > worst possible way. There was one epsiode, 'Diary' where the food on
> > offer was snails from France, under the banner 'Something squichy from
> > Vichy' (I could think of something else that's squishy from Vichy, but
> > I'll save the WW2 gags for another time).
>
> I love the way she said "Cous cous. The food so nice, they named it
> twice"...
>
> Though I could just be tishing, of course.
>
Paul.
ungvichian
> "ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
> news:4837c056.03081...@posting.google.com...
> > This week: Tino looks for a sport to play at the school picnic, and
> > Carv gets tough after kicking someone while playing soccer. Let's
> > check out what I think:
> 'Dead Ringer' and 'Carver The Terrible' - The final two episodes from season
> one.
>
> > - Mrs. Duong gets identified by name: a fat lady with purple shades
> > and brown hair. You said she was the lady official in pudding ball,
> > right?
> Yep. She's not fat though - she's pregnant and remains so throughout the show's
> 65 episode run.
>
And the shark meat is bannered: "Something rotten from Reykjavik". Are
all the banners of the format, "Something (adjective) from (place
name)", perhaps?
>
> > - I watched "Popular Mechanics for Kids" (you heard of this show?) a
> > couple weeks back, and they also had an "extreme jacks" gag. Hardly
> > funny the first time, I might add.
> That's a Discovery show right?
Yes.
> > More follows shortly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - To be fair, you probably don't expect anyone who's only been
> > training for a few days to beat someone who trained for so long. Just
> > getting 3rd is already none short of a miracle.
> I think it's down to realism.
Yeah, and that was what I was thinking.
>
> > And now some more general thoughts (including one on how the show is
> > presented over here):
> > - I recognize Tish's and Tino's opening titles clips from the ep with
> > the statue ("Throwing Carver", right?). Tino gets splat by the
> > spaghetti from an errant shot by Tish, and Tish is using modeling clay
> > to model Carv.
> Yep. Annoyingly, those opening shots do not change at any point in the show's
> two-year run.
>
I guess they didn't feel the need. As long as they don't add new
characters like mad (Rugrats, for instance), they don't need new
titles.
> That sounds like a very strange way of doing things. I know that in The
> Simpsons, a few seconds would be repeated twice for the commercial break, where
> there would be a fade-to-black, followed by a fade in with the scene repeated
> (though Sky and the BBC cut out these 'repeats', but they're there on video).
Local broadcaster cuts it out here as well.
> I
> think what you're describing comes down to lazy editing on behalf of the
> broadcaster.
In the remaining eps of the show tho, not a single repeat on both
sides of the break occured. Also, the 2nd half of the story in
question started with a "checker wipe" into BB stunning Crandall et
al.
ungvichian
> > - Mrs. Duong gets identified by name: a fat lady with purple shades
> > and brown hair. You said she was the lady official in pudding ball,
> > right?
> Yep. She's not fat though - she's pregnant and remains so throughout the show's
> 65 episode run.
You'd think that at least they'd show her holding a baby in the later
eps (but then again, Disney likes to keep things static). I suppose
that could pass off as being preg, but it could also pass off as being
fat.
> > - I watched "Popular Mechanics for Kids" (you heard of this show?) a
> > couple weeks back, and they also had an "extreme jacks" gag. Hardly
> > funny the first time, I might add.
> That's a Discovery show right? I've seen it before when I first got digital TV
> (back in the days when I was a university student), but not this particular
> episode.
This one was from 2000, and featured, among other things, some
offshoot of water skiing with some extreme form of kite. The ep ended
with some kid (who had tried "extreme jacks", which wasn't much
different from the way Tino imagined it) shown injured because he
supposedly tried "extreme shuffleboard".
> Teamo Supremo IMO is a poor man's Powerpuff Girls and little more. Poor
> animation, no underlying characteristics and rubbish plots.
In short, it's weaker than the way "Three Girls and A Monster" ended.
Speaking of that, the show is always going on and on about the team. I
don't recall any story emphasizing on just one member. But PPG seems
to like it. That's just about the best thing I can say about this
show. Except maybe for the fact that for all the crappiness of the
animation, I kind of like Rope Girl. Not too sure about the boys
tho...
To go off on a tangent, how about you check out my "The Nicktoon
Rewards" page at http://members.tripod.com/~Rover_Wow/nire.htm . I
know it should be "awards" but I got the idea from the plot of a
Rugrats ep. Tell me what you think.
ungvichian
> I think it's down to realism, and not placing a burden on viewers who
> by-and-large will be young children who want to escape to a world where there is
> no pressure to win everything or to always do their best. Practice doesn't
> always make perfect, and with Tino who has to start from scratch, third place is
> a highly unrealistic proposition!
No kidding. It seems that this show does put quite a dose of reality
into its storylines:
* The truth does hurt: Carv tells truth about why he wrote something
for Chumbukkit (he's no songwriter, all he wants is to get their Bahia
concert dedicated to him and his friends)... ends up being told that
he is out of the royalties for the song that they will make from what
he wrote.
* Carv gives up ticket to skatefest to give Lor educational comptuer
game... but he still feels a bit guilty about having to do so. I
actually include this as a cliche at my page on cliches. Check it out:
http://members.tripod.com/~Rover_Wow/cliches.htm .
* LGS: It's a school dance, but no one (and that includes the gang)
seems to be dancing. So much for all their preparation, eh?
* Practice doesn't make perfect: See above.
See what I mean?
Paul Evans
(hope I don't miss anything!)
> > > - Mrs. Duong gets identified by name: a fat lady with purple shades
> > > and brown hair. You said she was the lady official in pudding ball,
> > > right?
> > Yep. She's not fat though - she's pregnant and remains so throughout the
show's
> > 65 episode run.
>
> You'd think that at least they'd show her holding a baby in the later
> eps (but then again, Disney likes to keep things static). I suppose
> that could pass off as being preg, but it could also pass off as being
> fat.
>
Possibly, but there's one episode where she is specifically shown to be
pregnant - 'Listen Up' (season 3). Here she attempts to sit on the floor, but
has to do it in such a way that she doesn't 'pop' (IYSWIM)
> > > - I watched "Popular Mechanics for Kids" (you heard of this show?) a
> > > couple weeks back, and they also had an "extreme jacks" gag. Hardly
> > > funny the first time, I might add.
> > That's a Discovery show right? I've seen it before when I first got digital
TV
> > (back in the days when I was a university student), but not this particular
> > episode.
>
> This one was from 2000, and featured, among other things, some
> offshoot of water skiing with some extreme form of kite. The ep ended
> with some kid (who had tried "extreme jacks", which wasn't much
> different from the way Tino imagined it) shown injured because he
> supposedly tried "extreme shuffleboard".
What is 'shuffleboard'? This was another 'game' that materialises in a later
episode ('Diary') in a theatrical sketch. Back to your original point though,
it's possible that either The Weekenders borrowed the idea of 'extreme jacks'
from Discovery, or Discovery borrowed the idea from The Weekenders seeing as
both shows were made in the same year. Or it could just be a coincidence!
> > Teamo Supremo IMO is a poor man's Powerpuff Girls and little more. Poor
> > animation, no underlying characteristics and rubbish plots.
>
> In short, it's weaker than the way "Three Girls and A Monster" ended.
> Speaking of that, the show is always going on and on about the team. I
> don't recall any story emphasizing on just one member. But PPG seems
> to like it. That's just about the best thing I can say about this
> show. Except maybe for the fact that for all the crappiness of the
> animation, I kind of like Rope Girl. Not too sure about the boys
> tho...
>
Even the occasional PPG episode allows you to learn more about the characters
themselves though. Teamo Supremo just lacks character altogether, and I remember
reading reviews of it last year and there wasn't a single positive one. Most of
Disney's animated shows have some depth to them, but Teamo Supremo doesn't. I
suppose it's aimed at a far younger audience than say, Lloyd In Space or Recess,
but it's not really an excuse! :-)
> > I think it's down to realism (the coming 3rd bit), and not placing a burden
on viewers who
> > by-and-large will be young children who want to escape to a world where
there is
> > no pressure to win everything or to always do their best. Practice doesn't
> > always make perfect, and with Tino who has to start from scratch, third
place is
> > a highly unrealistic proposition!
>
> No kidding. It seems that this show does put quite a dose of reality
> into its storylines:
> * The truth does hurt: Carv tells truth about why he wrote something
> for Chumbukkit (he's no songwriter, all he wants is to get their Bahia
> concert dedicated to him and his friends)... ends up being told that
> he is out of the royalties for the song that they will make from what
> he wrote.
It's ironic that his dodgy handwriting suddenly becomes a song for Chum Bukkit.
In one sense, laziness pays, yet in another, Carver conned himself out of the
cash by being honest!
> * Carv gives up ticket to skatefest to give Lor educational comptuer
> game... but he still feels a bit guilty about having to do so. I
> actually include this as a cliche at my page on cliches. Check it out:
> http://members.tripod.com/~Rover_Wow/cliches.htm .
Wow! That page is HUGE! I had a look at some of the other shows whilst I was
there and it feels like just about every cliche under the sun has nearly been
done to death. I notice that though it is mainly cartoons that tend to be
cliched, there's quite a few sitcoms that over time become bogged down in them -
Friends being a good example, where in the last couple of years, virtually every
event to take place in it was cliched (It's always been said that a good show
only lasts seven years, so why did Friends start to die in 1998, only four years
in production..?) - so much so in fact that I just switched off in the end,
because the plots were predictable from the opening lines.
Another show that you've mentioned on there, 'Punky Brewster' I've not seen in
years! ITV used to show it over here in the late eighties, but that was a time
when ITV actually showed programmes, and not crappy soaps, docusoaps and reality
TV. I can only vaguely remember what that show was like because I was only seven
or eight years old then...
> * LGS: It's a school dance, but no one (and that includes the gang)
> seems to be dancing. So much for all their preparation, eh?
It's funny actually, because in a later episode, Lor makes it clear that she
doesn't dance! I can't remember the episode title, but it's from season four and
sees Tish trying to hold a 'mature' dinner party, which of course, backfires,
especially as the others just aren't interesting in that, or the idea of growing
up and ditching anything that's fun.
> * Practice doesn't make perfect: See above.
> See what I mean?
Yep.
> To go off on a tangent, how about you check out my "The Nicktoon
> Rewards" page at http://members.tripod.com/~Rover_Wow/nire.htm . I
> know it should be "awards" but I got the idea from the plot of a
> Rugrats ep. Tell me what you think.
I like it. The problem is, some of the nominees listed on some of the categories
there relate to shows that I don't think has aired in the UK, but the classic
Nicktoons are a done deal, though I have yet to catch an episode of Invader Zim
(if only to see what all the fuss is about!). Looks like another newsgroup I
need to subscribe to!
Paul.
ungvichian
> Mrs. Duong attempts to sit on the floor, but
> has to do it in such a way that she doesn't 'pop' (IYSWIM)
I don't understand the bit in the parenthesis...
>
> What is 'shuffleboard'? This was another 'game' that materialises in a later
> episode ('Diary') in a theatrical sketch.
Some game played by oldtimers, involving shoving a puck with a stick
so it lands in a good spot on a board. If you look around on Google,
you'll probably find more details...
> I like it. The problem is, some of the nominees listed on some of the categories
> there relate to shows that I don't think has aired in the UK, but the classic
> Nicktoons are a done deal, though I have yet to catch an episode of Invader Zim
> (if only to see what all the fuss is about!). Looks like another newsgroup I
> need to subscribe to!
For the record: if you had to vote now, who'd you vote for? Just
asking...
Chika
> news:<bhg2e5$bjqa$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > Mrs. Duong attempts to sit on the floor, but has to do it in such a
> > way that she doesn't 'pop' (IYSWIM)
> I don't understand the bit in the parenthesis...
IYSWIM - If You See What I Mean
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ungvichian
wanting to do a radio play with the gang, and "Petrotishkovna" (that's
what her grandpa calls her) not too sure about the family tradition.
My comments:
* I tuned in about halfway through the first story, when they're
eating pizza at a country themed store. Let me guess tho: so she's
doing the radio play for some contest, and the gang's none too willing
to play along, especially with her scripting it.
* Speaking of pizza, the other story features Carv eating *an entire
pie* while the rest are talking about the family tradition, at "We The
Pizza", a rather patriotically themed store.
* Is it just me, or does the 2nd story sound a lot like the Hey
Arnold! ep "Harold's Bar Mitzvah"? That story also features a
tradition that is a passage into adulthood, and the character receving
it none too sure about it. Only in that story, that particular
tradition is an actual religious one.
* Petrotishkovna... sounds Russian, doesn't it? And yet her family
name, Katsufrakis, sounds quite Greek. A Balkan-American perhaps?
* Speaking of her, does Tish really need a Lil DeVille voice? With the
new Rugrats spinoff "All Grown Up!" coming later this year, it might
not be long until viewers start getting confused.
* In light of this so-called family tradition... wonder whether the
clan would do well in quizzes. I was thinking, "THIS is their family
tradition?" I'm sure there's a moral to be found in there somewhere
about family pride... but seriously, how many of us are going to start
studying their family history after watching this? (Interesting note:
I'm actually a descendant of a former prime minster.)
Chika
> wanting to do a radio play with the gang, and "Petrotishkovna" (that's
> what her grandpa calls her) not too sure about the family tradition.
Seen that one. HEY YOWWWWWWWZA, DUDES!!!!
> My comments:
> * I tuned in about halfway through the first story, when they're
> eating pizza at a country themed store. Let me guess tho: so she's
> doing the radio play for some contest, and the gang's none too willing
> to play along, especially with her scripting it.
Not willing? They weren't even asked! Tish "volunteered" them. The pizza
scene was after the first abortive session where they find that Lor can't
act, Carver is a prima donna and Tino is.... hungry!
> * Speaking of pizza, the other story features Carv eating *an entire
> pie* while the rest are talking about the family tradition, at "We The
> Pizza", a rather patriotically themed store.
Carv eats an entire pie. That doesn't surprise me at all. Just don't
mention the pickle...
> * Is it just me, or does the 2nd story sound a lot like the Hey
> Arnold! ep "Harold's Bar Mitzvah"? That story also features a
> tradition that is a passage into adulthood, and the character receving
> it none too sure about it. Only in that story, that particular
> tradition is an actual religious one.
Very similar. I've been convinced for a long time that these TV shows pass
their stories around.
> * Petrotishkovna... sounds Russian, doesn't it? And yet her family
> name, Katsufrakis, sounds quite Greek. A Balkan-American perhaps?
Maybe. They are very vague about "the Old Country", possibly because they
are trying to avoid the PC police. ISTR a story later on where they
actually reveal how Tish (or Gooosh if you prefer) got her name and what
it is supposed to mean.
> * Speaking of her, does Tish really need a Lil DeVille voice? With the
> new Rugrats spinoff "All Grown Up!" coming later this year, it might
> not be long until viewers start getting confused.
Probably not, but it's a little late to change it now.
> * In light of this so-called family tradition... wonder whether the
> clan would do well in quizzes. I was thinking, "THIS is their family
> tradition?" I'm sure there's a moral to be found in there somewhere
> about family pride... but seriously, how many of us are going to start
> studying their family history after watching this? (Interesting note:
> I'm actually a descendant of a former prime minster.)
Vonderful! Anyone fancy a twist? :)
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Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <4837c056.03081...@posting.google.com>,
> Not willing? They weren't even asked! Tish "volunteered" them. The pizza
> scene was after the first abortive session where they find that Lor can't
> act, Carver is a prima donna and Tino is.... hungry!
>
Lor can't act...! I think the most immortal line in that ep was Lor's half-arsed
attempt at drama: 'AfteralltheseyearsIfinallyfeelalive'
Tino: This is a radio play, right?
Tish: Yes.
Tino: So why are we doing this in full costume? No-one's gonna see us!
Paul.
Paul Evans
> It's all about the nerd Tish this week, as we start season 2 with Tish
> wanting to do a radio play with the gang, and "Petrotishkovna" (that's
> what her grandpa calls her) not too sure about the family tradition.
they just went with 'Tish'.
Oh, the ep titles: 'Radio Drama' and 'The Tradition'
> My comments:
> * I tuned in about halfway through the first story, when they're
> eating pizza at a country themed store. Let me guess tho: so she's
> doing the radio play for some contest, and the gang's none too willing
> to play along, especially with her scripting it.
Yep, as Chika's pointed out, she 'volunteered' them to do it, because it would
look good in her resume (and wait until you see the size of that thing!). The
rest of them had planned to do nothing at all (not even batheing in Lor's case),
so were a little ticked off when Tish makes demands of them.
It's also worth noting at this point that S2 marks a departure from previous
episodes that were very moralistic in content. They also start to concentrate
more on the four main characters instead of trying to include the entire
population of Bahia Bay.
> * Speaking of pizza, the other story features Carv eating *an entire
> pie* while the rest are talking about the family tradition, at "We The
> Pizza", a rather patriotically themed store.
Carv tends to be a little greedy when it comes to pizza...!
> * Is it just me, or does the 2nd story sound a lot like the Hey
> Arnold! ep "Harold's Bar Mitzvah"? That story also features a
> tradition that is a passage into adulthood, and the character receving
> it none too sure about it. Only in that story, that particular
> tradition is an actual religious one.
Yep, very similar. The 'traditional' ceremony in The Weekenders, 'Momatouche' I
couldn't get my head around. We are not really sure what Tish's religion
actually is, because in the Christmas special, we learn she is Jewish, yet in
'Carver The Terrible' (the previous S1 episode), she says she has 'given up
shark meat for Lent'. Although there is continuity in the show, there are times
when the scriptwriters mess up, and this was one of those times.
As Chika said, these themes appear to get tossed around now and again (though I
have yet to see anything like this being used in Ozzy & Drix for example)
> * Petrotishkovna... sounds Russian, doesn't it? And yet her family
> name, Katsufrakis, sounds quite Greek. A Balkan-American perhaps?
Again, we're not meant to know. The yodelling is Swiss, yet in a later episode
we see her wearing Eastern European-style clothing, and her parents appear to
have southern-European accents! I think 'exotic foreigner' would be the best way
to describe her, as she is not from any country in particular.
> * Speaking of her, does Tish really need a Lil DeVille voice? With the
> new Rugrats spinoff "All Grown Up!" coming later this year, it might
> not be long until viewers start getting confused.
Possibly, but then I believe it is the same voice actor (Kath Soucie?) who does
Tish as well as Phil and Lil (Rugrats). You start to recognise voice actors in
different shows - Phil Lamarr (Family Guy, The Weekenders, Ozzy & Drix), Grey
DeLisle (The Weekenders, Grim & Evil) etc.
> * In light of this so-called family tradition... wonder whether the
> clan would do well in quizzes.
Well, I wouldn't like to compete against them in my pub quizzes!
I was thinking, "THIS is their family
> tradition?" I'm sure there's a moral to be found in there somewhere
> about family pride... but seriously, how many of us are going to start
> studying their family history after watching this?
Erm...
(Interesting note:
> I'm actually a descendant of a former prime minster.)
That's interesting! Which one?
Paul.
Paul Evans
categories
> > there relate to shows that I don't think has aired in the UK, but the
classic
> > Nicktoons are a done deal, though I have yet to catch an episode of Invader
Zim
> > (if only to see what all the fuss is about!). Looks like another newsgroup I
> > need to subscribe to!
>
> For the record: if you had to vote now, who'd you vote for? Just
> asking...
Ren and Stimpy for 'best classic', though Rocko would be a close second.
Paul.
Chika
Paul Evans <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> news:4c22dec1...@no.spam.here...
> > In article <4837c056.03081...@posting.google.com>,
> > Not willing? They weren't even asked! Tish "volunteered" them. The
> > pizza scene was after the first abortive session where they find that
> > Lor can't act, Carver is a prima donna and Tino is.... hungry!
> >
> Lor can't act...! I think the most immortal line in that ep was Lor's
> half-arsed attempt at drama: 'AfteralltheseyearsIfinallyfeelalive'
Clever rewrite though...
> Tino: This is a radio play, right?
> Tish: Yes.
> Tino: So why are we doing this in full costume? No-one's gonna see us!
That's it! I'll be in my trailer...
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ungvichian
> > * Speaking of her, does Tish really need a Lil DeVille voice? With the
> > new Rugrats spinoff "All Grown Up!" coming later this year, it might
> > not be long until viewers start getting confused.
> Possibly, but then I believe it is the same voice actor (Kath Soucie?) who does
> Tish as well as Phil and Lil (Rugrats).
Correct on both counts.
> You start to recognise voice actors in
> different shows - Phil Lamarr (Family Guy, The Weekenders, Ozzy & Drix), Grey
> DeLisle (The Weekenders, Grim & Evil) etc.
The only voice I seem to recognize is that of Cree Summer's (well,
when she's using that freaky voice of hers... for example: Sabrina'a
best friend, the little dragon in Barbie's Rapunzel, Elmyra, and of
course the James twins and Carv's sibs). Though I suspect that Daisy
Duck in the House of Mouse shorts is voiced by MacNeille, on account
of her sounding like Babs Bunny.
> (Interesting note:
> > I'm actually a descendant of a former prime minster.)
>
> That's interesting! Which one?
Not one of the UK, but one of Thailand: Pridi Panomyong.
It also happens that I live in Thailand. There. I said it. If you're
curious: most imports are shown with dual soundtrack, where the main
soundtrack is the dubbed one and the original is the secondary one.
These are also transmitted through DSAT, so that those with a set top
box (like me) could select the language they want to hear.
ungvichian
> > For the record: if you had to vote now, who'd you vote for? Just
> > asking...
>
> Ren and Stimpy for 'best classic', though Rocko would be a close second.
That's nowhere near the only category on offer. I have quite a few
other categories as well. In fact, I've put up some "category
spotlight" posts here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=4837c056.0308141717.35503ad9%40posting.google.com
Meanwhile, I've also updated the cliches page. Have a look, and see
what you can add to it.
Paul Evans
Cool - I'll reply properly to this and your other post sometime tomorrow, when
the workload isn't as high!
Paul.
Paul Evans
news:<bhljcb$npdj$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>
> > > * Speaking of her, does Tish really need a Lil DeVille voice? With the
> > > new Rugrats spinoff "All Grown Up!" coming later this year, it might
> > > not be long until viewers start getting confused.
> > Possibly, but then I believe it is the same voice actor (Kath Soucie?) who
does
> > Tish as well as Phil and Lil (Rugrats).
>
> Correct on both counts.
>
> > You start to recognise voice actors in
> > different shows - Phil Lamarr (Family Guy, The Weekenders, Ozzy & Drix),
Grey
> > DeLisle (The Weekenders, Grim & Evil) etc.
>
> The only voice I seem to recognize is that of Cree Summer's (well,
> when she's using that freaky voice of hers... for example: Sabrina'a
> best friend, the little dragon in Barbie's Rapunzel, Elmyra, and of
> course the James twins and Carv's sibs). Though I suspect that Daisy
> Duck in the House of Mouse shorts is voiced by MacNeille, on account
> of her sounding like Babs Bunny.
>
the Barbie flick for obvious reasons (though she managed to put in a
half-intelligent performance in Toy Story 2!), but I've seen the other shows you
mention, and thinking about it, her voice acting is pretty similar across the
board.
>
> > (Interesting note:
> > > I'm actually a descendant of a former prime minster.)
> >
> > That's interesting! Which one?
>
> Not one of the UK, but one of Thailand: Pridi Panomyong.
Cool! I don't have any claims to fame unfortunately :-(
> It also happens that I live in Thailand. There. I said it. If you're
> curious: most imports are shown with dual soundtrack, where the main
> soundtrack is the dubbed one and the original is the secondary one.
> These are also transmitted through DSAT, so that those with a set top
> box (like me) could select the language they want to hear.
Is this the same for local analogue TV as well, where one NICAM channel is used
for language A and another for language B? I think a similar system exists in
Wales on S4C (A Welsh-language channel) for news reports, though generally,
English-language subtitles were available to those who had a Teletext TV.
Digital TV features an emphasis on dual-language soundtracks though - When I
lived in Wales for three years (I was at university there), Cartoon Network was
available via DTT (Digital Terrestrial Television - i.e. receiveable through a
standard UHF aerial and set-top box) with English and Welsh stereo soundtracks -
Watching Johnny Bravo in Welsh was great fun, and a far easier way of learning
those essential words in Welsh!
There is one thing that does make me curious though - I know that French and
Spanish versions of The Weekenders have different names for the main characters.
Is this the same for Thailand as well, or is it broadcast with just the English
soundtrack?
Paul.
Paul Evans
news:<bhljh6$oesm$1...@ID-158456.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>
> > > For the record: if you had to vote now, who'd you vote for? Just
> > > asking...
> >
> > Ren and Stimpy for 'best classic', though Rocko would be a close second.
>
> That's nowhere near the only category on offer.
first. There are other Nicktoons I like a lot - Hey Arnold and As Told By Ginger
for instance, though I was introduced to those two on local TV rather than
Nickelodeon.
I have quite a few
> other categories as well. In fact, I've put up some "category
> spotlight" posts here:
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=4837c056.0308141717.35503ad9%40posting.g
oogle.com
Cheers, I've just had a look at that - didn't realise what some of the
categories were to be honest (that'll teach me to look at 2am with the threat of
work the following day!). Some of the characters I don't recognise, but there's
a few I do. I didn't realise Catdog was a Nick production though! In fact, that
was almost as shocking as discovering that Caitlin's Way was a Nickelodeon show
that Disney somehow managed to *ahem* nick the broadcast rights to here in the
UK.
> Meanwhile, I've also updated the cliches page. Have a look, and see
> what you can add to it.
Will do
Paul.
ungvichian
> Is this the same for local analogue TV as well, where one NICAM channel is used
> for language A and another for language B?
I think so, yes. This was how dual language TV first existed in
Thailand, in (I think) 1994. It used to be that some channels would
explicitly tell you when they show a programme bilingually, but these
days, it's much less. Now, I wish they'd tell us when an import
*isn't* shown bilingually... see below.
> Is this the same for Thailand as well, or is it broadcast with just the English
> soundtrack?
Judging from the local language announcements between the programmes
(it is part of a Disney block), I believe they do retain the same
names. And all imports on terrestrial are shown dubbed, tho not all
are shown with dual soundtracks... for example, I saw a bit of the US
cartoon Sagwa, and it's apparently shown dubbed regardless of the
soundtrack! (I set the settop box to default to the original
soundtrack, tho it seems to switch to the dubbed soundtrack if I
select a channel straight from the EPG.) OTOH, one local cable channel
does show programmes in the original with subtitles (tho selected
programmes, usually hour-long dramas and lifestyle programmes are
shown dubbed on the alternate soundtrack).
Paul Evans
I was hoping that, with the launch of CNX here last year, there may have been an
opportunity for anime shows to be shown with the original Japanese soundtrack
and subtitles. Unfortunately this did not happen, which was odd, because the
Hong Kong kung-fu films that they showed *were* broadcast in their original
language with English subtitles! Unfortunately, the channel closes for good in
little over a week, and so the opportunity for seeing proper anime now hangs in
the balance (the channel replacing it, 'Toonami' is aimed at a far younger
audience of 11-15 year olds compared to CNX's 18-35 viewer base). Cartoon
Network/Turner screw up once again!
Paul.
ungvichian
> I was hoping that, with the launch of CNX here last year, there may have been an
> opportunity for anime shows to be shown with the original Japanese soundtrack
> and subtitles. Unfortunately this did not happen, which was odd, because the
> Hong Kong kung-fu films that they showed *were* broadcast in their original
> language with English subtitles!
On the flipside, over here AXN Asia (an action oriented channel not
unlike your CNX) airs non-English programming (almost always anime,
but they did once air some Korean cop series) in its original
language... but only with the local langauge subtitles, and without
the option of listening to the English dub. Well, at least the last
time I actually *checked* the 2nd soundtrack during anime anyway, and
that was more than a year ago... if I get a chance to check again,
maybe I can get you more recent info.
ungvichian
"compromise", and the "Diary" ep. My thoughts follow shortly.
(Warning: heavy on analysis as well.)
* It appears that everyone's tastes have been rooted in previous eps,
except for Tino's taste for Capt. Dreadnought:
- Carv's obsession with shoes... Shoes of Destiny, anyone?
- I believe that Lor's Scottish roots were mentioned when she bailed
out of Tino's not-so-perfect weekend to be with her granny, as well as
when she tried to get him to play rugby.
- Also bailing out on that particular weekend was Tish, to play in a
dulcimer contest.
* Speaking of the (not-so) perfect weekend, something I just
realized... Carv bailed out (yes, the others all did) to help some
homeless ladies by way of some foundation... by any chance, would this
be the same foundation involved in Pudding Ball?
* Back to this week's pair: Lor smooths over the whole thing with
haggis. In contrast, there's an ep of Rugrats where some kid actually
tells Phil and Lil what haggis is made of (hint: it's really gutsy).
* OK, I see what you mean about the shuffleboard thing... to explain:
those sticks the actors were holding are used to push a puck onto a
marked pattern on the floor... I believe the score is kept by where
the puck stops.
* How many shows have done the "some guy reads some other guy's diary"
storyline? Many. How many shows have done the "guy thinks other guy is
moving and decides to make the final day pleasant" storyline? Quite a
few. How many shows have done them in the same ep? I think TW's the
first.
* Usually, when a show does the "moving away" storyline, we learn the
truth immediately. Examples:
- When Clifford did this, we learnt right away that T-Bone was moving
only to the end of his street, but it wasn't until the end that his
friends knew (they thought he was moving right off the island).
- Similarly, when Lulu Moppet thought that her family was moving out,
we learnt immediately that it was some other family who was moving
out.
- Last but not least, there was one Rugrats story where Chuckie
thought that her new stepsister was moving to Japan (the truth: her
mom was just sending some stuff to Japan for her grandparents).
Here we don't learn the truth until the end, so they can spring a
twist on us.
* Speaking of which, a kudos (remember, it's not a plural) for the
VERY original twist at the end of that story. Who would have figured
that out?
* Tino arrives at the whole "maybe we should've asked her earlier"
conclusion... about 3-4 minutes screentime after this viewer did. If
you ask me, this conclusion could probably be used for quite a few eps
of Three's Company (that classic sitcom with John Ritter, AKA Clifford
the big red dog, as Jack Tripper).
* Today's pizza: The Pizza's Court (waiters dressed as judges carrying
gavels around yelling "Order! Order!"... look for the phrase "if the
glove fits" on a sign in the BG, an OJ ref perhaps?) and Shakes Pizza
(waiters dressed like Shakespearean actors, talking like characters in
Shakespeare... any idea where the "once more" comes from?).
* Foods of the World lady: Be like the French. Eat snails (Something
Squishy From Vichy).
* Over here, the start time for the show is VERY inconsistent. Today's
showing started at around 6:40am... last week, I came down around 6:35
and they were already halfway through "Radio Play".
* In light of my earlier discussion on bilingual TV, the show that
comes on right before TW, a imported wildlife programme strand, is
also shown without a soundtrack option. I turn on the telly, change my
settop box to the channel (remember, it defaults to the alternate
soundtrack), and I hear it dubbed anyway.
* Also in that discussion, I said that the announcements made between
the segments referred to the characters by their English names... by
announcements, I mean host segments that are shown between individual
programmes, and returning from an adbreak during the programmes. It
goes something like this:
- Block titles, then host segment into TW
- First TW story
- Adbreak, then host segment back into TW
- Second TW story
- Host segment
- Adbreak, then host segment (usually something like announcing
contest winners) into next programme (currently, it's Mickey Mouse
Works)
The hosts sometimes comment on the action on the show in the host
segments. This week, for example, they went on for a while about how
looking into someone else's diary is an invasion of privacy (something
the characters already did).
Paul Evans
> "compromise", and the "Diary" ep. My thoughts follow shortly.
> (Warning: heavy on analysis as well.)
>
episode order, and should've been paired up with "The Invited" and "Real Fake"
which look like they haven't been shown there yet...
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> * It appears that everyone's tastes have been rooted in previous eps,
> except for Tino's taste for Capt. Dreadnought:
> - Carv's obsession with shoes... Shoes of Destiny, anyone?
Yep - there was a definite hint in Shoes of Destiny, and many more references to
Carv's erm... 'interest' in footwear in future episodes.
> - I believe that Lor's Scottish roots were mentioned when she bailed
> out of Tino's not-so-perfect weekend to be with her granny, as well as
> when she tried to get him to play rugby.
> - Also bailing out on that particular weekend was Tish, to play in a
> dulcimer contest.
> * Speaking of the (not-so) perfect weekend, something I just
> realized... Carv bailed out (yes, the others all did) to help some
> homeless ladies by way of some foundation... by any chance, would this
> be the same foundation involved in Pudding Ball?
If there is any mention of 'Helpers Helping the Helpless' in there somewhere,
then yes. That particular episode I have only seen a couple of times, and it
isn't one that Toon Disney show that often here.
> * Back to this week's pair: Lor smooths over the whole thing with
> haggis. In contrast, there's an ep of Rugrats where some kid actually
> tells Phil and Lil what haggis is made of (hint: it's really gutsy).
I've yet to come face to face with a real haggis (I'm really going to have to
visit Scotland one day - It's odd that I live just a few hours from the border,
and yet never been there!), but the horror stories are commonplace!
> * OK, I see what you mean about the shuffleboard thing... to explain:
> those sticks the actors were holding are used to push a puck onto a
> marked pattern on the floor... I believe the score is kept by where
> the puck stops.
Still sounds like a strange game. But then there's 'Curling' - stones pushed
along a sheet of ice!
> * How many shows have done the "some guy reads some other guy's diary"
> storyline? Many. How many shows have done the "guy thinks other guy is
> moving and decides to make the final day pleasant" storyline? Quite a
> few. How many shows have done them in the same ep? I think TW's the
> first.
I thought it would be as tedious as other shows that have used this storyline in
the past, but the combination of making the final weekend perfect, and Carver's
mis-reading of Tish's novel in the first place makes it very interesting.
Unfortunately, the chain of events that see the guys doing pointless things
whilst avoiding the issue makes a comback in a season four episode 'Tish's
Hair'. Very bad episode that had that 'all done before' feel to it.
> * Usually, when a show does the "moving away" storyline, we learn the
> truth immediately. Examples:
> - When Clifford did this, we learnt right away that T-Bone was moving
> only to the end of his street, but it wasn't until the end that his
> friends knew (they thought he was moving right off the island).
> - Similarly, when Lulu Moppet thought that her family was moving out,
> we learnt immediately that it was some other family who was moving
> out.
> - Last but not least, there was one Rugrats story where Chuckie
> thought that her new stepsister was moving to Japan (the truth: her
> mom was just sending some stuff to Japan for her grandparents).
> Here we don't learn the truth until the end, so they can spring a
> twist on us.
Yep. This was probably the point where the writers realised that they could make
the show more interesting by adding a 'twist' to the plot (what with Sixth Sense
being popular and all at the time), and is used with good results in future
episodes.
> * Speaking of which, a kudos (remember, it's not a plural) for the
> VERY original twist at the end of that story. Who would have figured
> that out?
Very clever, and surprisingly well thought out as well. It wasn't a simple
twist, but rather complicated with multilayers of events going on at the same
time, designed to throw you off. I don't think I've come across another kids
show that actually does this.
> * Tino arrives at the whole "maybe we should've asked her earlier"
> conclusion... about 3-4 minutes screentime after this viewer did. If
> you ask me, this conclusion could probably be used for quite a few eps
> of Three's Company (that classic sitcom with John Ritter, AKA Clifford
> the big red dog, as Jack Tripper).
> * Today's pizza: The Pizza's Court (waiters dressed as judges carrying
> gavels around yelling "Order! Order!"... look for the phrase "if the
> glove fits" on a sign in the BG, an OJ ref perhaps?)
I didn't catch that! That's one thing I'll definitely have to look at next time
around (who would've thought it - scandals in a cartoon?!?)
and Shakes Pizza
> (waiters dressed like Shakespearean actors, talking like characters in
> Shakespeare... any idea where the "once more" comes from?).
Not a big Shakespeare fan I'm afraid. I hold him personally responsible for
ruining High School!
> * Foods of the World lady: Be like the French. Eat snails (Something
> Squishy From Vichy).
I often wonder if there was another conutation being made with that line! :-)
> * Over here, the start time for the show is VERY inconsistent. Today's
> showing started at around 6:40am... last week, I came down around 6:35
> and they were already halfway through "Radio Play".
> * In light of my earlier discussion on bilingual TV, the show that
> comes on right before TW, a imported wildlife programme strand, is
> also shown without a soundtrack option. I turn on the telly, change my
> settop box to the channel (remember, it defaults to the alternate
> soundtrack), and I hear it dubbed anyway.
> * Also in that discussion, I said that the announcements made between
> the segments referred to the characters by their English names... by
> announcements, I mean host segments that are shown between individual
> programmes, and returning from an adbreak during the programmes. It
> goes something like this:
> - Block titles, then host segment into TW
> - First TW story
> - Adbreak, then host segment back into TW
> - Second TW story
> - Host segment
> - Adbreak, then host segment (usually something like announcing
> contest winners) into next programme (currently, it's Mickey Mouse
> Works)
Cheers for the insight. The Weekenders isn't shown on terrestrial TV here
(apparently, it was for a time on GMTV's 'Diggit' a couple of years ago), though
there usually is a Disney block on Saturday and Sunday mornings, which is only a
couple of months behind The Disney Channel when it comes to new shows.
Because it starts at 7am (roughly the time I'm going to bed!), unsurprisingly, I
don't watch it unless I'm awake and can't be bothered getting out of bed.
> The hosts sometimes comment on the action on the show in the host
> segments. This week, for example, they went on for a while about how
> looking into someone else's diary is an invasion of privacy (something
> the characters already did).
I don't think our presenters do anything like that anymore. The days of proper
presenting disappeared in the early '90s... Now they just present competitions
(usually those that allow you to win prizes relating to manufactured pop groups)
with premium-rate numbers and SMS text-lines.
Paul.
ungvichian
story: apparently, about the gang faking it for a video about them
(The Real Fake, perhaps?). My few thoughts follow shortly.
- "Faking it for the camera" sounds like a common theme in the
animated medium. Last time I encountered it was in the 30 min. ep of
Pepper Ann "The Velvet Room" (title referring to a room Milo isn't
allowed to enter). I don't know if you watch CITV, but there's also an
ep of Hey Arnold! that does this. Consider yourself lucky if you've
seen that one, since the Americans who made this ep haven't gotten a
chance to see it yet!
- And, this type of story always ends with the "be yourself" moral, or
something like it.
- "We're not made up TV characters... or are we?" Geez Tino, lay off
the self-referential humor, and just leave it to the Simpsons.
- And BTW, that "ya-ba-hooey" of yours... not anywhere near funny.
- Tish about studying elements: "I got up to Rutherfordium."
Rutherfordium is almost the highest properly-named element at 104. The
only ones higher are Hahnium (105) and Seaborgium (106).
- And BTW, about AXN Asia showing anime in Japanese only (regardless
of soundtrack)... they're still at it. Just checked it a couple
minutes ago. It used to be that the 2nd soundtrack would be used for
the English dub... not anymore.
ungvichian
I posted that first post: Due to my aforementioned late wakeup, I
didn't see get to see any pizza, but I did see the Foods of the World
lady pitching couscous ("the food so nice they named it twice") in her
usual deadpan fashion at the end of the story.
Chika
I loved that bit! Pity I can't stand couscous though... :)
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Paul Evans
> story: apparently, about the gang faking it for a video about them
> (The Real Fake, perhaps?). My few thoughts follow shortly.
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where you are!
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> - "Faking it for the camera" sounds like a common theme in the
> animated medium. Last time I encountered it was in the 30 min. ep of
> Pepper Ann "The Velvet Room" (title referring to a room Milo isn't
> allowed to enter). I don't know if you watch CITV, but there's also an
> ep of Hey Arnold! that does this. Consider yourself lucky if you've
> seen that one, since the Americans who made this ep haven't gotten a
> chance to see it yet!
get home from work in time to catch CITV anymore. I'll try and catch it on
Nickelodeon, if they still bother to show it anymore (they've become FAR too
obsessed with Sabrina The Teenage Witch over here, though admittedly, I'm
looking forward to the final season which starts next week)
> - And, this type of story always ends with the "be yourself" moral, or
> something like it.
I hate morality in cartoons! Especially the same moral that gets repeatedly
trounced on like this one. The 'Be yourself' moral occurs in this ep as you said
and these others:
Makeover (S1)
Carver The Terrible (S1)
My Punky Valentine (S2) - also the only episode in the show's two-year run to
feature a celebrity guest star - Jennifer Love Hewitt
Brain Envy (S2)
Tutor (S3)
Celebrity (S3)
Imperfection (S3)
Pru (S4)
Brain* (S4)
*Unofficial episode title.
In almost all cases, this idea of not being yourself usually comes about because
of a crush, relationship and shyness. There's a couple of exceptions to the rule
though. 'Brain' sees Tish wanting to change her image because she got a B in one
assignment, therefore 'disqualifying' herself from the title 'The Brain' (it's
more funny than it sounds!). 'Pru' sees the four hang out with a girl called,
erm, Pru. She's one of the 'popular kids' who virtually promises them the world
(and no-aftertaste diet soda!) after ditching her other friends for not buying
her a present for Flag Day. The underlying moral also includes loyalty in this
one, because by hanging out with her (despite what a pain in the arse she turns
out to be!), they quickly forget Marie's Birthday (and of course, Marie is
someone they have been best friends with for years) until the last minute.
Finally, 'Celebrity' sees Tish letting celebrity status go to her head after
staring for a few seconds in Teen Canyon.
> - "We're not made up TV characters... or are we?" Geez Tino, lay off
> the self-referential humor, and just leave it to the Simpsons.
> - And BTW, that "ya-ba-hooey" of yours... not anywhere near funny.
> - Tish about studying elements: "I got up to Rutherfordium."
> Rutherfordium is almost the highest properly-named element at 104. The
> only ones higher are Hahnium (105) and Seaborgium (106).
I think the only funny line I could remember from this episode was Lor's:
"I'll buy Teen Screech and screech at teens!"
> - And BTW, about AXN Asia showing anime in Japanese only (regardless
> of soundtrack)... they're still at it. Just checked it a couple
> minutes ago. It used to be that the 2nd soundtrack would be used for
> the English dub... not anymore.
I take it you mean Japanese soundtrack and Thai on-screen subtitles? I was
wondering if any other language subtitles were also broadcast, and selectable
from the decoder?
Paul.
Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <4837c056.03083...@posting.google.com>,
> ungvichian <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> > And one late addendum thought that only crossed my mind sometime after
> > I posted that first post: Due to my aforementioned late wakeup, I
> > didn't see get to see any pizza, but I did see the Foods of the World
> > lady pitching couscous ("the food so nice they named it twice") in her
> > usual deadpan fashion at the end of the story.
>
> I loved that bit! Pity I can't stand couscous though... :)
>
Paul.
Paul Evans
Her character is pretty funny. She is obviously someone who really seems to hate
life - a lot!
Paul.
Chika
<uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's a bit like pease pudding or mushy peas, both of which I like, but
couscous.... not keen.
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Chika
<uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
And apparently she was supposed to have been a ballerina... :)
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ungvichian
> I've seen that ep of Pepper Ann, but not Hey Arnold!, though it's rare that I
> get home from work in time to catch CITV anymore. I'll try and catch it on
> Nickelodeon, if they still bother to show it anymore (they've become FAR too
> obsessed with Sabrina The Teenage Witch over here, though admittedly, I'm
> looking forward to the final season which starts next week)
The ep is titled "A Day In The Life Of A Classroom", BTW.
> 'Brain' sees Tish wanting to change her image because she got a B in one
> assignment, therefore 'disqualifying' herself from the title 'The Brain' (it's
> more funny than it sounds!).
Meanwhile, there was an ep of HA! where Olga (Helga's big sis) went
into depression after getting a B+. Is "when a B isn't good enough" a
cliche?
> 'Pru' sees the four hang out with a girl called,
> erm, Pru. She's one of the 'popular kids' who virtually promises them the world
> (and no-aftertaste diet soda!) after ditching her other friends for not buying
> her a present for Flag Day.
Meanwhile, Home@work had Carv hanging out with some guys at a
skatefest, and those guys told him that they took Carv along since all
their other friend cared about was for himself... something Carv was
doing by going to the skatefest.
The underlying moral also includes loyalty in this
> one, because by hanging out with her (despite what a pain in the arse she turns
> out to be!), they quickly forget Marie's Birthday (and of course, Marie is
> someone they have been best friends with for years) until the last minute.
Reading this description, why do I feel that the writers dovetailed
Marie in just for that one purpose? I haven't seen them mention her...
> > - And BTW, about AXN Asia showing anime in Japanese only (regardless
> > of soundtrack)... they're still at it. Just checked it a couple
> > minutes ago. It used to be that the 2nd soundtrack would be used for
> > the English dub... not anymore.
>
> I take it you mean Japanese soundtrack and Thai on-screen subtitles? I was
> wondering if any other language subtitles were also broadcast, and selectable
> from the decoder?
No, at least not through our local cable. Doesn't even allow you to
pick whether you want subtitling or not.
ungvichian
gang to set goals and acheive them, and a trip to a crevasse that
somehow turns into a discussion about being right or wrong. Thoughts
follow shortly.
* First, the foods of today's show. I'm a bit hazy on these (the show
started at 6:30am this week) so correct me if necessary:
- Pizza: The Great Pizzanini (waiter dressed as magician conjuring
pizza from hat and then slicing it with a chainsaw), Paleolithic Pizza
(Tish nitpicks the whole "cavemen and dinosaurs" theme of the place...
waiter offers her a baked trilobyte instead)
- Foods of the World lady: Kokalokka (fermented fish, "Something Fishy
From Finland"), Akutak (lard and berries, "Something Yucky From The
Yukon").
* Is it just me, or did the ep credits font change? Everything looks
like it's in bold or something now. The show *still* breaks with
"tradition" by not using ep titles in them tho.
* Getting its 3rd mention in the series is "Helpers Helping the
Helpless" as the organization raises $10,000...
* ...and we see, as they get their 10,000th dollar, the resident
preggy Mrs. Duong (and she did look more pregnant than just fat here).
* Towards the end, the gang's at a sparsely attended (like Tripp's
seminar, come to think of it) book signing. Here I missed about 20-30
seconds to put my cellphone away (dad's orders).
(Now, why is it that whenever I miss something on TV because dad
orders me to do something, it's always towards the climax, THE minute
I shouldn't miss? There was the Pudding Ball incident, and before
that, while I was watching the Lloyd ep about Boomer's Secret Life as
a prince, while Boomer was talking to dad about why he had no desire
to be the king of his planet, my dad told to open the windows
upstairs, and by the time I was finished and came down, a different
person was being crowned as king. I always find myself asking dad,
"Why couldn't you have waited for it to finish first?" and the answer
is always something about me being addicted to cartoons and not paying
enough attention to my education. He does have a point.)
Back to this week's pairing: Carv was reading Tripp's book and making
a comment that "it's just many pages of I'm better than you" when dad
ordered me. When I came back down, we have Tino asking Tripp to hang
out with them (leading to a rather boring "moral of the day"). So what
did I miss?
* The start of the 2nd story: So Tino waits until the 2nd scene to
talk to the viewer, breaking with the usual pattern.
* The end of the 2nd story: Why did I have this odd feeling that
"this" (you'll know what I'm talking about if you've seen the ep) was
going to happen? (groan) All in all, a pretty weak story if you ask
me.
Paul Evans
> This week's pairing features a "super kid" named Tripp telling the
> gang to set goals and acheive them, and a trip to a crevasse that
> somehow turns into a discussion about being right or wrong. Thoughts
> follow shortly.
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> * First, the foods of today's show. I'm a bit hazy on these (the show
> started at 6:30am this week) so correct me if necessary:
> - Pizza: The Great Pizzanini (waiter dressed as magician conjuring
> pizza from hat and then slicing it with a chainsaw), Paleolithic Pizza
> (Tish nitpicks the whole "cavemen and dinosaurs" theme of the place...
> waiter offers her a baked trilobyte instead)
What was particularly funny about this scene was that it touched on Tish's
continuous knack of striving for perfection yet missing the big picture -
something that was explored in depth in another episode.
The Pizza Guy's line was particularly funny: Yeah, millions of years before
pizza too. Would you like me to bring you a baked Trilobite instead?
> - Foods of the World lady: Kokalokka (fermented fish, "Something Fishy
> From Finland"), Akutak (lard and berries, "Something Yucky From The
> Yukon").
> * Is it just me, or did the ep credits font change? Everything looks
> like it's in bold or something now. The show *still* breaks with
> "tradition" by not using ep titles in them tho.
I think this was the point where the entire artistic style changed, where
shading began to be used more extensively on the characters (even on outdoor
scenes) and more emphasis was placed on computer software being used to provide
additional effects (like the rippling sea water at the end of 'Super Kids'). On
top of this, I suspect this was the point where the show was recorded digitally,
rather than componently as in the previous episodes making everything look a
little more sharper. This is only really noticeable on RGB-enabled TVs though.
> * Getting its 3rd mention in the series is "Helpers Helping the
> Helpless" as the organization raises $10,000...
> * ...and we see, as they get their 10,000th dollar, the resident
> preggy Mrs. Duong (and she did look more pregnant than just fat here).
> * Towards the end, the gang's at a sparsely attended (like Tripp's
> seminar, come to think of it) book signing. Here I missed about 20-30
> seconds to put my cellphone away (dad's orders).
> (Now, why is it that whenever I miss something on TV because dad
> orders me to do something, it's always towards the climax, THE minute
> I shouldn't miss? There was the Pudding Ball incident, and before
> that, while I was watching the Lloyd ep about Boomer's Secret Life as
> a prince, while Boomer was talking to dad about why he had no desire
> to be the king of his planet, my dad told to open the windows
> upstairs, and by the time I was finished and came down, a different
> person was being crowned as king. I always find myself asking dad,
> "Why couldn't you have waited for it to finish first?" and the answer
> is always something about me being addicted to cartoons and not paying
> enough attention to my education. He does have a point.)
LOL! Usually, I get an annoying phone-call when a TV programme reaches a
climax... Why did I ever buy a mobile phone?!
> Back to this week's pairing: Carv was reading Tripp's book and making
> a comment that "it's just many pages of I'm better than you" when dad
> ordered me. When I came back down, we have Tino asking Tripp to hang
> out with them (leading to a rather boring "moral of the day"). So what
> did I miss?
Well, I have to admit that I didn't really spot the moral, but anyway it goes on
with Tino suggesting to Tripp that he was a sad loner trying to make up for lack
of friends with fake achievements, which is then followed by Tripp ranting on
about how great he is, but falls quiet very quickly when the four of them gives
him a funny stare. Then Tino asks him if he wants to hang out with them.
> * The start of the 2nd story: So Tino waits until the 2nd scene to
> talk to the viewer, breaking with the usual pattern.
> * The end of the 2nd story: Why did I have this odd feeling that
> "this" (you'll know what I'm talking about if you've seen the ep) was
> going to happen? (groan) All in all, a pretty weak story if you ask
> me.
I think that was the point. The plot was weak, but it allowed the viewer to see
how the characters behave on their own without the usual extra cast that
appeared in previous episodes. I thought some of the dialogue was very clever
because we had four kids with very contrasting views and opinions still managing
to get along (albeit by trying to outwit each other with sarcasm!). At the same
time, it was another attempt to introduce the 'history' behind the four as well
as showing how our own memories become distorted for forgotten over time.
If you hated that episode, you're really going to hate 'Follow The Leader' - the
second, and final time Lor tries (and fails) to control the group...
Paul.
ungvichian
> "ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
> news:4837c056.0309...@posting.google.com...
> > This week's pairing features a "super kid" named Tripp telling the
> > gang to set goals and acheive them, and a trip to a crevasse that
> > somehow turns into a discussion about being right or wrong. Thoughts
> > follow shortly.
> >
> >
> 'Super Kids' and 'The Crevasse' - Yep, they were really imaginative with these
> episode titles...!
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> continuous knack of striving for perfection yet missing the big picture -
> something that was explored in depth in another episode.
The season 4 ep with Tish getting a B you mentioned earlier, right?
>
> The Pizza Guy's line was particularly funny: Yeah, millions of years before
> pizza too. Would you like me to bring you a baked Trilobite instead?
>
Agreed.
> more emphasis was placed on computer software being used to provide
> additional effects (like the rippling sea water at the end of 'Super Kids').
To be fair, there was also CG rippling water in "The Tradition" (the
one with Tish's gramp quizzing her) as well (the last Saturday scene).
> Well, I have to admit that I didn't really spot the moral,
Tino: "Sometimes, hanging out with your best friends is the best thing
you can achieve... later days."
>
> The plot was weak, but it allowed the viewer to see
> how the characters behave on their own without the usual extra cast that
> appeared in previous episodes. I thought some of the dialogue was very clever
> because we had four kids with very contrasting views and opinions still managing
> to get along (albeit by trying to outwit each other with sarcasm!).
To be fair, the "Carv chomping on a candy bar" bit is probably the
best part of this one.
>
> If you hated that episode,
No, I didn't really hate it, it just felt a bit weak... tho I do
wonder how the others would have reacted to rediscovering The
Crevasse... I'm not even sure that I understand how it would have
ruined the whole make-up at the end.
ungvichian
> > - I watched "Popular Mechanics for Kids" (you heard of this show?) a
> > couple weeks back, and they also had an "extreme jacks" gag. Hardly
> > funny the first time, I might add.
> That's a Discovery show right? I've seen it before when I first got digital TV
> (back in the days when I was a university student), but not this particular
> episode.
In the "Did you know?" department: Before she had to keep getting
herself out of trouble as Kim Bauer on 24, Elisha Cuthbert was a
presenter on this show.
Paul Evans
> > continuous knack of striving for perfection yet missing the big picture -
> > something that was explored in depth in another episode.
>
> The season 4 ep with Tish getting a B you mentioned earlier, right?
>
plotlines tend to get repeated in other episodes.
For instance - Tino gives up childhood in 'Grow Up' (S1) and in a similar
fashion, gives up emotions in 'Cry'(S3), all because he was laughed at by other
kids (the bouncy castle in 'Grow Up' and crying tears of sadness during a film
version of 'Romeo and Juliet' in class), both of which trigger a cruel response
from other kids resulting in Tino simply discarding the 'cause' of the problem.
> >
> > The Pizza Guy's line was particularly funny: Yeah, millions of years before
> > pizza too. Would you like me to bring you a baked Trilobite instead?
> >
>
> Agreed.
>
> > more emphasis was placed on computer software being used to provide
> > additional effects (like the rippling sea water at the end of 'Super Kids').
>
> To be fair, there was also CG rippling water in "The Tradition" (the
> one with Tish's gramp quizzing her) as well (the last Saturday scene).
>
> > Well, I have to admit that I didn't really spot the moral,
>
> Tino: "Sometimes, hanging out with your best friends is the best thing
> you can achieve... later days."
>
Well, that's me gone then!
> >
> > The plot was weak, but it allowed the viewer to see
> > how the characters behave on their own without the usual extra cast that
> > appeared in previous episodes. I thought some of the dialogue was very
clever
> > because we had four kids with very contrasting views and opinions still
managing
> > to get along (albeit by trying to outwit each other with sarcasm!).
>
> To be fair, the "Carv chomping on a candy bar" bit is probably the
> best part of this one.
>
> >
> > If you hated that episode,
>
> No, I didn't really hate it, it just felt a bit weak... tho I do
> wonder how the others would have reacted to rediscovering The
> Crevasse... I'm not even sure that I understand how it would have
> ruined the whole make-up at the end.
Paul.
Paul Evans
Ah - Kim Bauer... Rapidly becoming one of the most hated characters in 24. I
mean, just how does she manage to get into continuous trouble in the space of 24
hours - twice?!
Interesting fact though - bit of a shame that I might end up yelling at the TV
every time I see her face though!
Paul.
Terrence Briggs
Something like "Take it off, baby!" ?
But seriously, I'm trying to make an animation connection here...much
less a Weekenders one...
Remember when this series bested Pokemon in direct time-slot
competition? four seasons later... Weekenders is what? Toon Disney
fodder. And Pokemon, well, could be the next Power Rangers.
Which may be renewed for the new fall schedule, I might add.
> Paul.
Terrence Briggs, who remembers the complaints about SCOOBY DOO!!!
Peace to you...
ungvichian
> But seriously, I'm trying to make an animation connection here...much
> less a Weekenders one...
OK. A recap:
* In one ep of TW, Tino imagined himself playing jacks on rollerblades
and calling it Extreme Jacks.
* In one ep of Popular Mechanics for Kids, one presenter played a
bunch of regular sports on rollerblades, like Wacky Paddle, chess....
and jacks.
* One of PMK's presenters, Elisha Cuthbert, is now that unwatchable
teenage girl on 24.
Got all that?
Paul Evans
"Terrence Briggs" <mrm...@peopleweb.com> wrote in message
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> Something like "Take it off, baby!" ?
>
> But seriously, I'm trying to make an animation connection here...much
> less a Weekenders one...
>
> Remember when this series bested Pokemon in direct time-slot
> competition? four seasons later... Weekenders is what? Toon Disney
> fodder. And Pokemon, well, could be the next Power Rangers.
>
doesn't and was actually meant to be enjoyable, rather than plugging a range of
toys and computer games.
Unfortunately, Disney are crap when it comes to renewing shows and TW fell
victim to the 65-ep curse. There are rumours circulating that The Weekenders may
be revived, but there's probably more chance of Tony Blair becoming anti-EU that
there is of that happening!
> Which may be renewed for the new fall schedule, I might add.
>
I don't have anything against Pokemon, and we're still awaiting new episodes on
Sky One over here, but unless the show is taken in a new direction, it risks
becoming tired... Like Scooby Doo!
> > Paul.
>
> Terrence Briggs, who remembers the complaints about SCOOBY DOO!!!
See above(!)
> Peace to you...
And you.
Paul.
Paul Evans
> * One of PMK's presenters, Elisha Cuthbert, is now that unwatchable
> teenage girl on 24.
... And the bad news is, she may get a prominent role in the next series :-(
Paul.
ungvichian
Tino's mom dating... but instead of being 2 separate stories, it's a
whole half-hour ep. Thoughts follow shortly.
* First, the foods of today's show:
- Pizza: Mission Impizzable (waiter hangs from ceiling like Tom
Cruise). Coincidentally, Kim Possible made its premiere here right
after this ep.
- Foods of the World lady: Durian (fruit, "Something To Please Ya From
Indonesia"). This one strikes close to home since durian is also
popular in Thailand, and I note that they didn't really draw it right.
It's actually green with lots of spikes everywhere (they drew it red
with less spikes). BTW, I've seen Rugrats in Paris, and I think the
flight attendant ("Oh look, a toy that was already broken") sounds a
lot like her, right down to the deadpan delivery of the line... same
voice perhaps?
* "Helpers Helping the Helpless" mentioned and Mrs. Duong seen again.
This time around, they have a bigger role in the plot.
* It was weird enough for Tino to do a camerashake during the opening
bit... it got weirder when Tino actually segued into an adbreak
("Stick around... if you're not here when we come back, I'll never
speak to you again"), and I was like "huh?" since TW's stories had
always spent only 15 minutes. And after the adbreak ("I was worried
that you'd ditch me"), why did Tino feel the need for a quick stab of
the titles?
* Lor's love of Scottish sport, Carv's obsession with shoes and Tino's
enjoyment of Capt. Dreadnought get another mention after To Each His
Own. And what's with Tino's dreams with Martin Van Buren (a US
president)?
* Dixon's daughter Moira, IMO, looks like what Debbie Thornberry would
look like if she were on this show. And although at the end Tino has a
"wait and see" attitude towards Dixon, I feel that the show's static
nature (as in, "where's the baby, Mrs. Duong?") will probably not
allow Dixon to appear (or even be mentioned) again.
* The "Tesla invented radio" bit seems like a blatant forced attempt
by Disney to shove E/I down our throats, am I right people?
* Thoughts about previous eps:
- Did the story with Lor fluffing pillows and paying for pizza take an
adbreak midway? ISTR the show fading to black from Tino standing in
front of a cinema, before the "Saturday" caption was faded up.
- In The Crevasse, Tino ended with saying that showing the other guys
the crevasse would ruin the whole make up thing. Disney's ruined a
perfectly good moral before: in the telefilm "Lifesize", Lindsey Lohan
plays a US football player (and believe it or not, this is only a
minor subplot!)... towards the end, she's playing for a championship.
Dad has finally come to watch her play, and he has just said to his
boss at work that "If she's going to win, I'll have to be there" (or
words to that effect). 12 seconds to go with Lohan's team down 3, and
she throws the ball to someone who keeps missing the catch. OK, guess
what happens.
You're right about the guy finally catching the ball. As for him
running in the game winner... well, remember the ep of Simpsons where
some guys are looking for a new Fallout Boy? There's one auditioner
who appears to have gotten the job, but the casting guy then says
"...that's what I'd be saying if you weren't an inch too short".
Likewise, Lohan would be celebrating a win if the catcher wasn't
tackled one inch short (!) of the line. Despite this, Lohan still
calls the guy by his name rather than her own personal derisive
nickname for him. How's that for ruining a moral? (If you're thinking
about using the "realism" argument: the main plot is about one of
Lohan's dolls turning into Tyra Banks. Really.)
Paul Evans
> Tino's mom dating... but instead of being 2 separate stories, it's a
> whole half-hour ep. Thoughts follow shortly.
>
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> * First, the foods of today's show:
> - Pizza: Mission Impizzable (waiter hangs from ceiling like Tom
> Cruise). Coincidentally, Kim Possible made its premiere here right
> after this ep.
one), I always thought the Pizza themes were a funny and unique element of the
series. Of course, in real terms, changing the theme of a real pizza joint every
weeks would force the owners out of business!
Did you watch KP and what did you think of it? I found the first few epsiodes
disappointing, though the later ones certainly pick up.
> - Foods of the World lady: Durian (fruit, "Something To Please Ya From
> Indonesia"). This one strikes close to home since durian is also
> popular in Thailand, and I note that they didn't really draw it right.
> It's actually green with lots of spikes everywhere (they drew it red
> with less spikes).
To be fair, I don't think many people in the States would know what durian is,
and as someone living in the UK, I often think that half of the foods mentioned
are made up (is damper a real food?). At least we know that durian is a real
fruit! What is durian like? I don't think i've seen any here in the UK.
BTW, I've seen Rugrats in Paris, and I think the
> flight attendant ("Oh look, a toy that was already broken") sounds a
> lot like her, right down to the deadpan delivery of the line... same
> voice perhaps?
Probably. I ran a few Google searches to see, but with little success (TVTome
has gone from being a realiable site to a popup-ridden slow mess, and this is on
a 600k connection, and a few other guides only focused on the main characters,
so I couldn't run any comparisons), but as with a lot of these shows, it tends
to be the same group of people voicing them - for instance, Ozzy & Drix,
Grim&Evil, The Weekenders, Dexter's Laboratory, Family Guy, Fairly Oddparents
etc all feature at least one person who has voiced other cartoons, so it's very
likely it could be.
> * "Helpers Helping the Helpless" mentioned and Mrs. Duong seen again.
> This time around, they have a bigger role in the plot.
Yep. There's a very unfortunate sitution in one episode where Helpers Helping
the Helpless held a 'Kelp Appreciation Day' to raise money. When you glance at
the sign on the outside of the building, only three letters really stand
out -three K's that had replaced the H's (so it read Kelpers Kelping the
Kelpless, but stood out more for also appearing as the initials of an inbred US
organisation...).
> * It was weird enough for Tino to do a camerashake during the opening
> bit... it got weirder when Tino actually segued into an adbreak
> ("Stick around... if you're not here when we come back, I'll never
> speak to you again"), and I was like "huh?" since TW's stories had
> always spent only 15 minutes. And after the adbreak ("I was worried
> that you'd ditch me"), why did Tino feel the need for a quick stab of
> the titles?
I think this had to do with how the show originally went out. When the show
premiered in the States (on One Saturday Morning?), the two episodes weren't
shown together, but were separated by another cartoon. Apparently, this was also
done over here on GMTV's Diggit. Toon Disney occasionally separate the two parts
by placing a trailer between them, and at other times, the whole sequence is
dropped altogether with the next scene starting with the 'Still Saturday'
opening card.
> * Lor's love of Scottish sport, Carv's obsession with shoes and Tino's
> enjoyment of Capt. Dreadnought get another mention after To Each His
> Own. And what's with Tino's dreams with Martin Van Buren (a US
> president)?
There's a third season episode that has an injoke about this dream, but I can't
remember what it was.
> * Dixon's daughter Moira, IMO, looks like what Debbie Thornberry would
> look like if she were on this show. And although at the end Tino has a
> "wait and see" attitude towards Dixon, I feel that the show's static
> nature (as in, "where's the baby, Mrs. Duong?") will probably not
> allow Dixon to appear (or even be mentioned) again.
Dixon makes several more appearences throughout seasons three and four.
> * The "Tesla invented radio" bit seems like a blatant forced attempt
> by Disney to shove E/I down our throats, am I right people?
E/I?
> * Thoughts about previous eps:
> - Did the story with Lor fluffing pillows and paying for pizza take an
> adbreak midway? ISTR the show fading to black from Tino standing in
> front of a cinema, before the "Saturday" caption was faded up.
No - I think to keep the show running for 12 minutes (which is the actual
running time for each episode), they extended fades/breaks to pad the episode
out. Usually, these would go unnoticed.
> - In The Crevasse, Tino ended with saying that showing the other guys
> the crevasse would ruin the whole make up thing. Disney's ruined a
> perfectly good moral before: in the telefilm "Lifesize", Lindsey Lohan
> plays a US football player (and believe it or not, this is only a
> minor subplot!)... towards the end, she's playing for a championship.
> Dad has finally come to watch her play, and he has just said to his
> boss at work that "If she's going to win, I'll have to be there" (or
> words to that effect). 12 seconds to go with Lohan's team down 3, and
> she throws the ball to someone who keeps missing the catch. OK, guess
> what happens.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You're right about the guy finally catching the ball. As for him
> running in the game winner... well, remember the ep of Simpsons where
> some guys are looking for a new Fallout Boy? There's one auditioner
> who appears to have gotten the job, but the casting guy then says
> "...that's what I'd be saying if you weren't an inch too short".
> Likewise, Lohan would be celebrating a win if the catcher wasn't
> tackled one inch short (!) of the line. Despite this, Lohan still
> calls the guy by his name rather than her own personal derisive
> nickname for him. How's that for ruining a moral? (If you're thinking
> about using the "realism" argument: the main plot is about one of
> Lohan's dolls turning into Tyra Banks. Really.)
This does annoy me a little, because a lot of cartoons have starting taking this
approach when it comes to cliffhangers. Enough of the morals, let's have Tino
actually SHOWING OFF for a change!
There's several digs at his character in season three (Vengeance springs to
mind), where he urges Carver to do the right thing, only for the 'right thing'
to end up backfiring making him look like a bigger idiot than before. I wish
that just for once, the writers would follow through rather than adding the
sudden twist, because eventually, we'll be expecting a sudden twist every time,
and this can get boring.
Paul.
ungvichian
> "ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
> news:4837c056.03091...@posting.google.com...
> > This week, we have the reopening of an amusement park, and we have
> > Tino's mom dating... but instead of being 2 separate stories, it's a
> > whole half-hour ep. Thoughts follow shortly.
> >
> Ep title: 'Dixon'
> >
> >
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> disappointing, though the later ones certainly pick up.
Only saw a bit of it. I was thinking: "This show is too teen-centric
for its own good". BTW, is Christy Romano (KP) related to Raymond?
>
> > - Foods of the World lady: Durian (fruit, "Something To Please Ya From
> > Indonesia"). This one strikes close to home since durian is also
> > popular in Thailand, and I note that they didn't really draw it right.
> > It's actually green with lots of spikes everywhere (they drew it red
> > with less spikes).
> To be fair, I don't think many people in the States would know what durian is,
> and as someone living in the UK, I often think that half of the foods mentioned
> are made up (is damper a real food?). At least we know that durian is a real
> fruit! What is durian like? I don't think i've seen any here in the UK.
As I described above. The lady was right about the smell tho, although
it does have a bit of sweetness in the smell.
>
> BTW, I've seen Rugrats in Paris, and I think the
> > flight attendant ("Oh look, a toy that was already broken") sounds a
> > lot like her, right down to the deadpan delivery of the line... same
> > voice perhaps?
As it turns out, TW is Lisa Kaplan's only work! (She does not just the
Food lady, but also Tino's mom.) Margaret Smith (The 80's Show),
meanwhile, was the flight attendant in question. ("That's a job for
your mommy.")
> When the show
> premiered in the States (on One Saturday Morning?),
Yes, I think that's there it premiered.
> > * The "Tesla invented radio" bit seems like a blatant forced attempt
> > by Disney to shove E/I down our throats, am I right people?
> E/I?
Basically, there was a time that the US networks were required to have
some educational programming on Saturday mornings. They called it E/I
: Educational/Informational programming. Maybe TW was ABC's attempt to
fill this requirement?
ungvichian
on TW is apparently "one thing leads to... a fallout", as we have
stories involving a defeat at pool (to horseshoes champ Laird and some
guy named Hiro) leading to Tino arguing with Carv, and Tish becoming a
new word (next thing you know, she's not gonna take it anymore).
Thoughts follow shortly.
- Both stories have fadeouts midway (first story: after a fight in a
cinema, second story: after the argument at the arcade)... Paul, you
were saying these are for padding time, right?
- Credits fonts seem to have reverted back to their original fashion.
Also, the second story went out over here preceded with the brief
titles stab from the previous ep "Dixon".
- Food time: both of these from the second story:
* Sherlock Pizza (complete with fog in front of store and waiters
dressed as Sherlock and Watson: "From the wax in your hair I deduce
that you want a large pepperoni pizza... Watson, pies afoot!"... also
featuring, if you look in the background, "Moriarty Salad with the
mystery secret ingredient")
* "New" look for the Foods of the World stand, with a map showing
where this week's featured food comes from, and a banner that doesn't
make a lame pun about the food (this week: damper, a pseudo-bread from
Australia)... same old lady.
First story thoughts:
- I don't know how over here the local broadcaster can get away with
showing kids playing pool... the law over here says that you can't
play snooker (a similar game) until you're 18.
- Short name for Lor = enough space on Tino's chest to write it.
Meanwhile, Carv pronounces her last name (McQuarrie) as if it rhymed
with "lorry" (UK for truck). I thought it rhymed with "weary".
- Toon cliche: Every time one person is responsible for a defeat at a
team sport (usually by doing something stupid), the other person will
usually complain that "We could have won!". It's happened before in
the series with Lor not passing the ball to her teammate at hoops in a
first season ep, now Tino's doing it after Carv tried to bounce the
ball off their favorite video game (for stupid, it's ridiculous).
- This is of course the 2nd time Laird has beaten Tino: he's the
horseshoes champ, remember?
- Tino's piece to viewer at end of first story: so to bring final
closure to the tiff, Tino and Carv go out and win "back" the trophy
Hiro and Laird won... and we don't get to see it? Oh yeah, that's a
good way to do it (high sarcasm). Then again, the story wasn't as much
as about "showing off vs. playing safe" than mending a fallout (the
Lor playing hoops ep was mostly about drawing the line about when to
share, right?).
Second story thoughts:
- If Tish really were to become a new word, she wouldn't be the first
fictional character to do this: forgive the "Tishing", but the term
"malapropism" comes from a character named Ms. Malaprop who often used
these. Also, there's a term in the moviebiz called "Mickey Mousing":
synchronizing music with the action.
- If I could turn a fictional character's name into a word, I'd pick
the title character of the Costner flick "Tin Cup" and make it a verb
meaning "doing something very stupid to lose a competition" (like he
does in the film... and like Carv does in the first story).
- One of the girls at the pizza place (who overhears their use of Tish
as a verb) sounded just like Phil on Rugrats (and Tish already sounds
a lot like Lil).
- Quite frankly, I wonder Doug Langdale (or whoever) came up with this
story's plot... and Carv, I don't think you need to cue the final
piece thing for Tino...
And some general KP thoughts as a bonus:
* Opening title sequence looks cool, the accompanying ditty sounds
hip... not too sure about the show itself tho. Hasn't the teengirl spy
schtick had its 15 min of fame already?
* Having seen the titles themselves... I'm not too sure about where
this pic: http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/lara6281/KPTitle.jpg comes from.
A break bumper or "up next" annoucement perhaps?
* TW doesn't have ep titles in its ep credits... KP goes further by
having no ep credits *period*. Even the director's credit is wedged
into the titles (along with the obligatory creators' credit).
* Mommy the brain surgeon, daddy the rocket scientist... are there any
other stereotype smart people occupations? Speaking of which, their
voice performers (Gary Cole and Jean Smart as Dad and Mom) were born
*7 days apart* in September '59 (Cole celebrates his 44th birthday
today, Smart had her 44th on the same day the series premiered here).
* Kim's ringtone (you know, "bip bip bi-bip... bip bip bi-bip")...
sounds catchy, but I don't expect to hear anyone using it as theirs
anytime soon.
* KP: Probably the only Disney show that can use the word "naked" in
just about every darn ep. Of course, you do have to look in context...
it's used to describe Ron's rat Rufus.
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> - Food time: both of these from the second story: * Sherlock Pizza
> (complete with fog in front of store and waiters dressed as Sherlock and
> Watson: "From the wax in your hair I deduce that you want a large
> pepperoni pizza... Watson, pies afoot!"... also featuring, if you look
> in the background, "Moriarty Salad with the mystery secret ingredient")
That line always gets me. If the pie is a foot, wouldn't that make your
feet sticky? :)
Actually, they stopped doing 12" pizzas at my usual outlet in favour of
14". That extra two inches constitutes a lot of pizza...
> * "New" look for the Foods of the World stand, with a map showing where
> this week's featured food comes from, and a banner that doesn't make a
> lame pun about the food (this week: damper, a pseudo-bread from
> Australia)... same old lady.
I'd heard of damper before the show. I can sympathise with the sentiment,
though sometimes I could see a dwarf ambling through the set, looking up
at the table and gleefully exclaiming; "Mmm! CRAM!!!"
> First story thoughts: - I don't know how over here the local broadcaster
> can get away with showing kids playing pool... the law over here says
> that you can't play snooker (a similar game) until you're 18.
I think the rule here is that you can play it, but not for money.
> - Short name for Lor = enough space on Tino's chest to write it.
> Meanwhile, Carv pronounces her last name (McQuarrie) as if it rhymed
> with "lorry" (UK for truck). I thought it rhymed with "weary".
Accents vary without warning. Not that I'd ever heard the name before
Weekenders, though Merkan accents do have their odd moments (for example,
a tree climbing rodent with a large bushy tail is, so it seems, called a
"Squirl").
> - Toon cliche: Every time one person is responsible for a defeat at a
> team sport (usually by doing something stupid), the other person will
> usually complain that "We could have won!". It's happened before in the
> series with Lor not passing the ball to her teammate at hoops in a first
> season ep, now Tino's doing it after Carv tried to bounce the ball off
> their favorite video game (for stupid, it's ridiculous).
This is a problem that drove me away from US cartoons at one point; this
artificial creation of friction between cast members and the moralising
that usually went into the resolution. I tend to watch these days only for
some of the values along the way...
> - This is of course the 2nd time Laird has beaten Tino: he's the
> horseshoes champ, remember?
That's an ep. I haven't seen. The only other Laird ep. I've seen to date
is the one where Carver races him dressed in a blue condom and painted
running shoes, the loser (and friends) get to sponge granny... :)
> - Tino's piece to viewer at end of first story: so to bring final
> closure to the tiff, Tino and Carv go out and win "back" the trophy Hiro
> and Laird won... and we don't get to see it? Oh yeah, that's a good way
> to do it (high sarcasm). Then again, the story wasn't as much as about
> "showing off vs. playing safe" than mending a fallout (the Lor playing
> hoops ep was mostly about drawing the line about when to share, right?).
All that for a gold painted coffee tin!
> Second story thoughts: - If Tish really were to become a new word, she
> wouldn't be the first fictional character to do this: forgive the
> "Tishing", but the term "malapropism" comes from a character named Ms.
> Malaprop who often used these. Also, there's a term in the moviebiz
> called "Mickey Mousing": synchronizing music with the action.
Mickey Mouse has also been used to describe something small, such as a
"Mickey Mouse company" which would describe a small, unimportant company,
much like a toy or plaything.
Sorry, I am so tishy today!
> - If I could turn a fictional character's name into a word, I'd pick the
> title character of the Costner flick "Tin Cup" and make it a verb
> meaning "doing something very stupid to lose a competition" (like he
> does in the film... and like Carv does in the first story).
Tino (n, v): A squeak of terror, especially in response to stimuli such as
insects/spiders (or clowns).
Carver (v): to obsess about ones shoes.
Lor (v): To threaten somebody with a beating if they come up with an
embarrassing meaning for their name.
Tishing again!
> - One of the girls at the pizza place (who overhears their use of Tish
> as a verb) sounded just like Phil on Rugrats (and Tish already sounds a
> lot like Lil).
Must invest in a Rugrat-trap...
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> > First story thoughts: - I don't know how over here the local broadcaster
> > can get away with showing kids playing pool... the law over here says
> > that you can't play snooker (a similar game) until you're 18.
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> I think the rule here is that you can play it, but not for money.
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It depends where you go. Obviously, if you're playing at home, age doesn't
apply, but in public establishments, things are a little more awkward. In a pub,
you need to be 18 or higher (but then you would have to be anyway to buy a
drink); In a 'family' pub, the age is usually 14, and in an arcade or our local
Megabowl, age varies depending on table size - no restrictions on smaller
tables, but usually 18 for full-size tables (though this might have more to do
with the full-size tables being located in the bar section). The fact that the
air-hockey tables at our Megabowl are far more dangerous, especially with me
playing, doesn't come into it (it's far to easy to blast the puck across several
bowling alleys when a game gets aggressive!)!
> > - Short name for Lor = enough space on Tino's chest to write it.
Possibly, though if that was the real reason, I'm sure that this episode
would've made it into the season one lineup.
> > Meanwhile, Carv pronounces her last name (McQuarrie) as if it rhymed
> > with "lorry" (UK for truck). I thought it rhymed with "weary".
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> Accents vary without warning. Not that I'd ever heard the name before
> Weekenders, though Merkan accents do have their odd moments (for example,
> a tree climbing rodent with a large bushy tail is, so it seems, called a
> "Squirl").
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I hadn't heard of that name before the show either, but American accents can be
unpredictable - though have you ever tried listening to a Cockney? I'm sure they
make it up as they go along!
> > - Toon cliche: Every time one person is responsible for a defeat at a
> > team sport (usually by doing something stupid), the other person will
> > usually complain that "We could have won!". It's happened before in the
> > series with Lor not passing the ball to her teammate at hoops in a first
> > season ep, now Tino's doing it after Carv tried to bounce the ball off
> > their favorite video game (for stupid, it's ridiculous).
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Yes, but it was a comedy moment. I don't think anyone could successfully blast
the cueball all over the arcade and finally pot the black in one go! (though if
anyone has ever achieved this amazing feat, I'd love to know!)
> This is a problem that drove me away from US cartoons at one point; this
> artificial creation of friction between cast members and the moralising
> that usually went into the resolution. I tend to watch these days only for
> some of the values along the way...
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The cartoons tend to be funny though. I tend to ignore the moralising part, and
I suppose this is why I hadn't spotted half of these morals that ungvichian had
picked up - yet they make far more sense though. Every cartoon to an extent has
a moral somewhere, even The Simpsons (which unfortunately tends to be far too
moralistic and religious these days - Why did Fox kill off Family Guy?). True,
most of these morals are more apparent in kids' cartoons, but South Park, Family
Guy, Futurama, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop and many others carry hidden morals,
but they can be easily ignored.
> > - This is of course the 2nd time Laird has beaten Tino: he's the
> > horseshoes champ, remember?
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> That's an ep. I haven't seen. The only other Laird ep. I've seen to date
> is the one where Carver races him dressed in a blue condom and painted
> running shoes, the loser (and friends) get to sponge granny... :)
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LOL! What was funny about that one was Lor beating all of them - running
backwards.
> > - Tino's piece to viewer at end of first story: so to bring final
> > closure to the tiff, Tino and Carv go out and win "back" the trophy Hiro
> > and Laird won... and we don't get to see it? Oh yeah, that's a good way
> > to do it (high sarcasm). Then again, the story wasn't as much as about
> > "showing off vs. playing safe" than mending a fallout (the Lor playing
> > hoops ep was mostly about drawing the line about when to share, right?).
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> All that for a gold painted coffee tin!
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But a realistic viewpoint in a twelve-year-old's eye. I remember when I was
twelve and how easy it was to fall out over something trivial and pathetic -
computer games, opinions on films and that sort of thing. Of course I'm more
'mature' now - I'm always right and everyone else is wrong!
> > Second story thoughts: - If Tish really were to become a new word, she
> > wouldn't be the first fictional character to do this: forgive the
> > "Tishing", but the term "malapropism" comes from a character named Ms.
> > Malaprop who often used these. Also, there's a term in the moviebiz
> > called "Mickey Mousing": synchronizing music with the action.
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Yep, even The Simpsons did an episode like this - Doing a Homer, where you would
accomplish something by accident (like Homer did)!
> Mickey Mouse has also been used to describe something small, such as a
> "Mickey Mouse company" which would describe a small, unimportant company,
> much like a toy or plaything.
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Also a popular way of describing the Euro, the EU and any other crackpot idea -
the 'Mickey Mouse currency' and 'Mickey Mouse Dictatorship'
> Sorry, I am so tishy today!
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Would that be a 'Maximum Tishage' then? ;-)
> > - If I could turn a fictional character's name into a word, I'd pick the
> > title character of the Costner flick "Tin Cup" and make it a verb
> > meaning "doing something very stupid to lose a competition" (like he
> > does in the film... and like Carv does in the first story).
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> Tino (n, v): A squeak of terror, especially in response to stimuli such as
> insects/spiders (or clowns).
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Tino (v): An act of sarcasm, obsession and closed-mindedness.
> Carver (v): to obsess about ones shoes.
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Carver (v): to obsess about one's looks and the opinion of others.
> Lor (v): To threaten somebody with a beating if they come up with an
> embarrassing meaning for their name.
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Lor (v): To glue someone to the wall for any reason.
> Tishing again!
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> > - One of the girls at the pizza place (who overhears their use of Tish
> > as a verb) sounded just like Phil on Rugrats (and Tish already sounds a
> > lot like Lil).
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> Must invest in a Rugrat-trap...
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I think Tish and Ruby (and obviously Lil) are voiced by the same person, though
I could be wrong.
Oh and finally, those ep titles: 'Taking Sides' and 'To Tish'
Paul.
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Paul Evans
> on TW is apparently "one thing leads to... a fallout", as we have
> stories involving a defeat at pool (to horseshoes champ Laird and some
> guy named Hiro) leading to Tino arguing with Carv, and Tish becoming a
> new word (next thing you know, she's not gonna take it anymore).
> Thoughts follow shortly.
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> cinema, second story: after the argument at the arcade)... Paul, you
> were saying these are for padding time, right?
Yep - Each episode needs to be a fixed length, so fade-outs (and music) are used
to fill the gaps.
> - Credits fonts seem to have reverted back to their original fashion.
Watching a couple of episodes last week, I spotted why the fonts are different
sizes - It varies depending on how many characters are voiced in that particular
episode, or if it is a double, how many voices were used for both.
> Also, the second story went out over here preceded with the brief
> titles stab from the previous ep "Dixon".
> - Food time: both of these from the second story:
> * Sherlock Pizza (complete with fog in front of store and waiters
> dressed as Sherlock and Watson: "From the wax in your hair I deduce
> that you want a large pepperoni pizza... Watson, pies afoot!"... also
> featuring, if you look in the background, "Moriarty Salad with the
> mystery secret ingredient")
Yep - though not one of the best Pizza erm... place themes.
> * "New" look for the Foods of the World stand, with a map showing
> where this week's featured food comes from, and a banner that doesn't
> make a lame pun about the food (this week: damper, a pseudo-bread from
> Australia)... same old lady.
I think the puns are the best part. In this case though the joke was left open
for a jibe at Tish's expense.
(other points answered in my post to Chika)
> And some general KP thoughts as a bonus:
> * Opening title sequence looks cool, the accompanying ditty sounds
> hip... not too sure about the show itself tho. Hasn't the teengirl spy
> schtick had its 15 min of fame already?
I thought that when I first watched it. She is supposed to be a spy right? Then
how come vitually everyone one the planet seems to have heard of her?
Another thing that wasn't impressive is that it still plays on old stereotypes -
We have a girl who is a cheerleader (i.e. potentially stuck-up, and potentially
a Jock-seeker), who just happens to be a spy and has a superiority complex over
her partner, Ron Stoppable.
> * Having seen the titles themselves... I'm not too sure about where
> this pic: http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/lara6281/KPTitle.jpg comes from.
> A break bumper or "up next" annoucement perhaps?
That's probably a bumper - It's certainly not appeared in any episode I've seen.
> * TW doesn't have ep titles in its ep credits... KP goes further by
> having no ep credits *period*. Even the director's credit is wedged
> into the titles (along with the obligatory creators' credit).
I'm waiting for the show to move over to Toon Disney so that we can see if there
are any credits. Studio Disney (an afternoon slot on The Disney Channel) show
their own credits rather than the in-show credits.
What annoys me about certain cartoons though is that for a good five minutes,
you could still have credits appearing at the bottom of the screen - Ozzy & Drix
being a good example.
> * Mommy the brain surgeon, daddy the rocket scientist... are there any
> other stereotype smart people occupations? Speaking of which, their
> voice performers (Gary Cole and Jean Smart as Dad and Mom) were born
> *7 days apart* in September '59 (Cole celebrates his 44th birthday
> today, Smart had her 44th on the same day the series premiered here).
The show is 100% stereotypical, which was why I wasn't initially impressed.
Thankfully there are stonger storylines in the second season. That second fact
that you mention about the birthdays of the voice performers is very
interesting - I wonder if they had a shared party when the show was being made
last year?
> * Kim's ringtone (you know, "bip bip bi-bip... bip bip bi-bip")...
> sounds catchy, but I don't expect to hear anyone using it as theirs
> anytime soon.
I've heard it on some people's mobiles on my way to work. Alarmingly, it isn't
kids who use the tones, it's *adults*! It says quite a bit about who really
watches KP.
> * KP: Probably the only Disney show that can use the word "naked" in
> just about every darn ep. Of course, you do have to look in context...
> it's used to describe Ron's rat Rufus.
LOL! Yep, though they did use the word 'crap' in The Weekenders (though not
directly).
Paul.
Chika
<uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Accents vary without warning. Not that I'd ever heard the name before
> > Weekenders, though Merkan accents do have their odd moments (for
> > example, a tree climbing rodent with a large bushy tail is, so it
> > seems, called a "Squirl").
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> I hadn't heard of that name before the show either, but American accents
> can be unpredictable - though have you ever tried listening to a
> Cockney? I'm sure they make it up as they go along!
I live far too close to London, and it was reported recently that the
slang used in the London area is totally unique to them to the point that
it is hard for anyone outside to understand them. Doesn't surprise me in
the least...
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> > This is a problem that drove me away from US cartoons at one point;
> > this artificial creation of friction between cast members and the
> > moralising that usually went into the resolution. I tend to watch
> > these days only for some of the values along the way...
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> The cartoons tend to be funny though. I tend to ignore the moralising
> part, and I suppose this is why I hadn't spotted half of these morals
> that ungvichian had picked up - yet they make far more sense though.
> Every cartoon to an extent has a moral somewhere, even The Simpsons
> (which unfortunately tends to be far too moralistic and religious these
> days - Why did Fox kill off Family Guy?).
But the question remains; why? Is entertainment going to be perpetually at
the mercy of the politically correct and the moral minority? When a good
story is less important than some trite message, that is when I tend to
stop watching. If Weekenders didn't have its funny moments, I'd have given
up watching ages ago...
> True, most of these morals are more apparent in kids' cartoons, but
> South Park, Family Guy, Futurama, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop and many
> others carry hidden morals, but they can be easily ignored.
The latter two, both anime, are open to some question, but the rest yes.
Mind you, SP often uses this moral format satirically, which makes me
think that they have probably noticed... :)
> > > - This is of course the 2nd time Laird has beaten Tino: he's the
> > > horseshoes champ, remember?
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> > That's an ep. I haven't seen. The only other Laird ep. I've seen to
> > date is the one where Carver races him dressed in a blue condom and
> > painted running shoes, the loser (and friends) get to sponge granny...
> > :)
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> LOL! What was funny about that one was Lor beating all of them - running
> backwards.
Good job Tish had that camera handy!
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> > Mickey Mouse has also been used to describe something small, such as a
> > "Mickey Mouse company" which would describe a small, unimportant
> > company, much like a toy or plaything.
> >
> Also a popular way of describing the Euro, the EU and any other crackpot
> idea - the 'Mickey Mouse currency' and 'Mickey Mouse Dictatorship'
> > Sorry, I am so tishy today!
> >
> Would that be a 'Maximum Tishage' then? ;-)
Sounds Tishtastic!!! :)
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> > > - One of the girls at the pizza place (who overhears their use of
> > > Tish as a verb) sounded just like Phil on Rugrats (and Tish already
> > > sounds a lot like Lil).
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> > Must invest in a Rugrat-trap...
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> I think Tish and Ruby (and obviously Lil) are voiced by the same person,
> though I could be wrong.
It's a problem with animation in general where one small group of actors
do everything like that. Some of them have the ability to produce many
different voices, but others take the Arnie approach...
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ungvichian
> "ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
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> > It's Sept. 20, National Youth Day in Thailand, and this week's theme
> > on TW is apparently "one thing leads to... a fallout", as we have
> > stories involving a defeat at pool (to horseshoes champ Laird and some
> > guy named Hiro) leading to Tino arguing with Carv, and Tish becoming a
> > new word (next thing you know, she's not gonna take it anymore).
> > Thoughts follow shortly.
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I'm referring to the ep credits (by which I mean, the little credits
that appear at the start of an ep). You're saying that this is
influenced by how many characters are in it? Wouldn't that affect the
closing creds?
Another 2 thoughts that just came to me:
Well, you can't argue with that: Tish abandons a team video game just
b/c someone uses her name as a verb again... then after being asked
why she blew the game this way, she then complains that *they* did by
making that verb up. Well... I can't argue with that, because I do
also sometimes blame other people for my wrongdoing like she did
here...
A similar idea comes in RP's first telefilm (Race Across New
Zealand... if the broadcaster airs them in parts, it's somewhere in
the 3rd... BTW have you seen this?) where Reggie abandons her board
during a windsurfing race she was leading just so she can block
Otto... and spite her dad for not cheering on her. Difference: While
on TW the others eventually feel it's their own fault, Reggie actually
admits her mistake soon after... a trademark of a winner, I say.
Chika
ungvichian <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> Another 2 thoughts that just came to me:
> Well, you can't argue with that: Tish abandons a team video game just
> b/c someone uses her name as a verb again... then after being asked
> why she blew the game this way, she then complains that *they* did by
> making that verb up. Well... I can't argue with that, because I do
> also sometimes blame other people for my wrongdoing like she did
> here...
You are suggesting that Tish was in the wrong here?
> A similar idea comes in RP's first telefilm (Race Across New
> Zealand... if the broadcaster airs them in parts, it's somewhere in
> the 3rd... BTW have you seen this?) where Reggie abandons her board
> during a windsurfing race she was leading just so she can block
> Otto... and spite her dad for not cheering on her. Difference: While
> on TW the others eventually feel it's their own fault, Reggie actually
> admits her mistake soon after... a trademark of a winner, I say.
Hmm... I see. However I don't see the similarity. Tish was a victim of
something she found offensive. Whether you blame the others or you blame
the "maximum tishage" comment, she was in an untenable position and chose
to get out.
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Paul Evans
> "Paul Evans" <uknortherner...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "ungvichian" <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote in message
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> > > It's Sept. 20, National Youth Day in Thailand, and this week's theme
> > > on TW is apparently "one thing leads to... a fallout", as we have
> > > stories involving a defeat at pool (to horseshoes champ Laird and some
> > > guy named Hiro) leading to Tino arguing with Carv, and Tish becoming a
> > > new word (next thing you know, she's not gonna take it anymore).
> > > Thoughts follow shortly.
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> I'm referring to the ep credits (by which I mean, the little credits
> that appear at the start of an ep). You're saying that this is
> influenced by how many characters are in it? Wouldn't that affect the
> closing creds?
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attention to the opening ones.
Paul.
Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
has now become so mainstream, it just isn't the same any more.
The Weekenders at the end of the day is still a kids' cartoon, and as ungvichian
pointed out in another post here, there is probably some sort of educational
'requirement' in the show - hence morals and the occasional educational tidbit.
I can ignore them because the show itself is so funny. In 'Taking Sides' we see
a whole different side to Tish (playing dress-up, when Tino and Carver burst
in), and more of Tino's sarcasm and wit (and prone to mishaps - the bucket and
photo-booth spring to mind there), and in 'To Tish' the jokes are all at Tish's
expense.
Besides, it can be argued that cartoons are far less preachy and PC now than
they were in the eighties!
> > True, most of these morals are more apparent in kids' cartoons, but
> > South Park, Family Guy, Futurama, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop and many
> > others carry hidden morals, but they can be easily ignored.
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> The latter two, both anime, are open to some question, but the rest yes.
> Mind you, SP often uses this moral format satirically, which makes me
> think that they have probably noticed... :)
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I mentioned OS and CB because there's at least one episode where there's a moral
lesson. South Park does contain genuine morals, but yes, it's creators really
try to take the piss wherever possible, and touch on a lot of sensitivities.
> > > > - This is of course the 2nd time Laird has beaten Tino: he's the
> > > > horseshoes champ, remember?
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> > > That's an ep. I haven't seen. The only other Laird ep. I've seen to
> > > date is the one where Carver races him dressed in a blue condom and
> > > painted running shoes, the loser (and friends) get to sponge granny...
> > > :)
> > >
> > LOL! What was funny about that one was Lor beating all of them - running
> > backwards.
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> Good job Tish had that camera handy!
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> > > Mickey Mouse has also been used to describe something small, such as a
> > > "Mickey Mouse company" which would describe a small, unimportant
> > > company, much like a toy or plaything.
> > >
> > Also a popular way of describing the Euro, the EU and any other crackpot
> > idea - the 'Mickey Mouse currency' and 'Mickey Mouse Dictatorship'
>
> > > Sorry, I am so tishy today!
> > >
> > Would that be a 'Maximum Tishage' then? ;-)
>
> Sounds Tishtastic!!! :)
>
Now that's 'dishing the Tish'! (sorry, but that episode was on a couple of
minutes ago)
> <snip>
> > > > - One of the girls at the pizza place (who overhears their use of
> > > > Tish as a verb) sounded just like Phil on Rugrats (and Tish already
> > > > sounds a lot like Lil).
> > >
> > > Must invest in a Rugrat-trap...
> > >
> > I think Tish and Ruby (and obviously Lil) are voiced by the same person,
> > though I could be wrong.
>
> It's a problem with animation in general where one small group of actors
> do everything like that. Some of them have the ability to produce many
> different voices, but others take the Arnie approach...
Maybe it's because voice acting is a bit of a niche market - certainly in the
States it seems that most cartoons feature the same actors - The Weekenders has
voice actors who have worked on Ozzy & Drix, Family Guy, The Simpsons, Rugrats,
Grim & Evil/Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny
Bravo, Futurama and god knows how many more!
Paul.
ungvichian
> You are suggesting that Tish was in the wrong here?
Well, IMO, if you cause someone to lose a game, you're wrong.
> Hmm... I see. However I don't see the similarity.
Reggie jumped off her windsurfing board to spite her dad for not
cheering on her (he kept cheering on Otto even tho she was in the
lead... she was also doing this to get his attention, but I think just
winning the race would have been enough to do that). Meanwhile, Tish
abandoned the video game just to spite the others for making the verb
up.
Yet another thought that came to me was that Disney was going for too
many style points when they had Tish fall onto her bed in slomo when
she heard her name on a show on etymology (the study of words).
While we're talking about RP (BTW, this is referring to Rocket Power)
here's another interesting comparison, involving lots of hard practice
being good for, well, nothing:
* RP, "Rainy Days and Sundaes": Reggie trains for junior triathlon.
Ends up deciding to pull out midway through the swim just because she
had "unfinished business" at home (read: getting grounded). What I
think: get real... what kind of stupid decision was that?
* TW, "Party Planning": Gang spends entire weekend preparing for
school dance. End up falling under the influence of LGS (read: they
end up standing next to the wall for the entire duration, just like
everyone else at the dance). What I think: now that's what I call
realism.
John [Kaon] Kerr
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Some of this is gona be light replying, untill I get into this conversation
properly.
> LOL! What was funny about that one was Lor beating all of them - running
> backwards.
It was indeed, Lor's a funny character when stuff like that happens.
> But a realistic viewpoint in a twelve-year-old's eye. I remember when I
was
> twelve and how easy it was to fall out over something trivial and
pathetic -
> computer games, opinions on films and that sort of thing. Of course I'm
more
> 'mature' now - I'm always right and everyone else is wrong!
Yeah lol, Dont mention my tweenage years, the "dark days", lol very
angsty... but fun.
> Tino (v): An act of sarcasm, obsession and closed-mindedness.
"Tino (v): A slang word used on males as a term of an idiosyncratic
nature and one who possess hidden existential angst."
Tino is close minded with regards to the simple things, but I think Tino is
the most open minded of them all with regard to the 'big picture' of their
life's. If it wasn't for him I doubt they would all stay together as a gang.
> Carver (v): to obsess about one's looks and the opinion of others.
Carver (v): to be a spoilt brat
> Lor (v): To glue someone to the wall for any reason.
Lor (v): To be spunky and hot. Example: "I'm going out to a bar tonight to
find myself a nice Lor!"
Hehe, lol ;)
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Chika
<uknorthernerSPAMMEAND...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > But the question remains; why? Is entertainment going to be
> > perpetually at the mercy of the politically correct and the moral
> > minority? When a good story is less important than some trite message,
> > that is when I tend to stop watching. If Weekenders didn't have its
> > funny moments, I'd have given up watching ages ago...
> >
> Family Guy and South Park broke this barrier. The Simpsons did to an
> extent but has now become so mainstream, it just isn't the same any more.
True. The Simpsons has gone on for far too long, IMO, much as many of the
more successful shows. The trouble is that execs aren't keen on letting
their cash cows die...
> The Weekenders at the end of the day is still a kids' cartoon, and as
> ungvichian pointed out in another post here, there is probably some sort
> of educational 'requirement' in the show - hence morals and the
> occasional educational tidbit. I can ignore them because the show itself
> is so funny. In 'Taking Sides' we see a whole different side to Tish
> (playing dress-up, when Tino and Carver burst in), and more of Tino's
> sarcasm and wit (and prone to mishaps - the bucket and photo-booth
> spring to mind there), and in 'To Tish' the jokes are all at Tish's
> expense.
Didn't the US used to subsidise shows with this sort of morilising as
educational material?
> Besides, it can be argued that cartoons are far less preachy and PC now
> than they were in the eighties!
Probably because it was losing them viewers hand over fist. After all, one
of the reasons behind anime getting so popular was the preachy nature of
US product. However I can still find myself turning off whenever a cartoon
from the US starts up with the "truth, justice and the american flag"
stuff or whatever other trite message they are pushing.
<snip>
> > > > Mickey Mouse has also been used to describe something small, such
> > > > as a "Mickey Mouse company" which would describe a small,
> > > > unimportant company, much like a toy or plaything.
> > > >
> > > Also a popular way of describing the Euro, the EU and any other
> > > crackpot idea - the 'Mickey Mouse currency' and 'Mickey Mouse
> > > Dictatorship'
> >
> > > > Sorry, I am so tishy today!
> > > >
> > > Would that be a 'Maximum Tishage' then? ;-)
> >
> > Sounds Tishtastic!!! :)
> >
> Now that's 'dishing the Tish'! (sorry, but that episode was on a couple
> of minutes ago)
You are *so* tishy!!! (I've got it on tape somewhere!) :)
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ungvichian
wasn't able to post this until now. Anyways, this week on TW: Ticket
troubles, and taking vengeance over public humiliation. (The 2nd
one's "Vengeance" right?) Thoughts follow shortly.
- The pairing has some similarities to the story I'd most recently
seen before I started this thread (who would have thought it'd get
so long?):
* Two words: Chumbukkit concert.
* Penny Descartes makes an appearance (her 2nd, and she's still not
identified by name). (Cree, your Elmyra voice might sound good on a
kid like Susie or even a preteen like Chloe, but probably not on an
outright teenager.)
* Carv burned for doing right thing.
- Again, both stories have fadeouts midway (first story: after Tino's
talk with Cheri and some other two, second story: after the
humiliation at the beach)... I'm starting to suspect that they put
them there in case any broadcaster needs to squeeze in an ad or 2,
and not just to pad time.
- Seems that the brief titles stab to begin the 2nd story is here to
stay...
- Food time:
* Second story opens at Prison Pizza (the gang has an Alcatraz
Special... everything looks just like, yes, a prison).
First story thoughts:
- Late wakeup: when I turned on the TV, Tino was saying "For those of
you scoring at home: Greed 3, Dignity 0."
- I've come up with a phrase for the type of ending this story ends
with: a "have your cake and eat it too" type of ending. Kind of
dilutes today's moral doesn't it? At least this time Tino actually
*had* one (last time, he had nothing to say).
Second story thoughts:
- If there ever was a time that Tish's accent became grating... it's
this time. The detective dialog worked at the pizza place, but not
elsewhere.
- Funny line of the week: "Curse you, three-way calling".
- Interesting line of the week: "Two wrongs don't make a right."
"Well, *one* wrong doesn't make a right either, but two wrongs make
me feel happier."
- I noticed that some of the kids who were laughing at Christy
appeared have been in the Pudding Ball and Party Planning eps.
- As I said, Carv gets burned for doing the right thing again. Last
time it was telling Chumbukkit the truth about the gang's planned
dedication, this time it was minimizing the humilation he gave a
classmate.
- All in all, the story was pretty weak here. Even the moral was a
bit half-hearted.
OK, space padding: Is it just me, or do villains on KP always seem to
kick security cameras? This week, after she talked to Ron about
having trouble forming sentences in front of some guy named Josh
(this was the Emmy nommed "Crush", right?), Wade showed her Drakken
kicking a camera in Tokyo. The previous week, after KP was put in
detention, Wade showed her some girl (Shego, I'd guess) kicking a
camera in an Amazon lab. The first ep aired a week before... I didn't
get to see much, just her working at Bueno Nacho (the "Naco" bit was
hilarious) and a snowmobile blowing up during a snow chase with
Drakken, but I would guess he kicked a camera in that one as well.
Meanwhile, I suspect someone might mishear the titles music as "Call
me, beat me".
Chika
Sorry, but I always get this mixed with Sickbukkit...
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Paul Evans
> Apologies for the late post... due to troubles at Google Groups, I
> wasn't able to post this until now. Anyways, this week on TW: Ticket
> troubles, and taking vengeance over public humiliation. (The 2nd
> one's "Vengeance" right?) Thoughts follow shortly.
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> - The pairing has some similarities to the story I'd most recently
> seen before I started this thread (who would have thought it'd get
> so long?):
> * Two words: Chumbukkit concert.
> * Penny Descartes makes an appearance (her 2nd, and she's still not
> identified by name).
The first time she's identified by name is in the episode 'Uncool World', which
you'll probably see in about two weeks.
(Cree, your Elmyra voice might sound good on a
> kid like Susie or even a preteen like Chloe, but probably not on an
> outright teenager.)
> * Carv burned for doing right thing.
Yep, though it's nice to see Tino's do-gooder approach not working this time
around.
> - Again, both stories have fadeouts midway (first story: after Tino's
> talk with Cheri and some other two, second story: after the
> humiliation at the beach)... I'm starting to suspect that they put
> them there in case any broadcaster needs to squeeze in an ad or 2,
> and not just to pad time.
I've not heard of this happening in the States, and it's certainly never
happened here in the UK on either The Disney Channel or Toon Disney. I never saw
it on Diggit, but it's unlikely that even on a channel that's swamped with
adverts (GMTV) they would pause a show six minutes in, stick in a couple of
adverts and then go back for the second six minutes...
> - Seems that the brief titles stab to begin the 2nd story is here to
> stay...
It depends on how the broadcaster is broadcastng the show. When Toon Disney runs
its' marathons, the short titles feature for every second ep, whereas when the
episodes are shown individually, they are complemented with full intro and
credits. Having said that, when two episode are shown together as a pair (as the
show was implemented on One Saturday Morning), it's likely the short credits
were there from the start.
> - Food time:
> * Second story opens at Prison Pizza (the gang has an Alcatraz
> Special... everything looks just like, yes, a prison).
Yeah, though I would demand my money back if I find any metallic objects in my
pizza!
> First story thoughts:
> - Late wakeup: when I turned on the TV, Tino was saying "For those of
> you scoring at home: Greed 3, Dignity 0."
This line followed desperate attempts by the others to 'win' the other
Chumbukkit ticket off Tino by trying to buy him off with perks - Lor offered to
do his chores (starting with the vacuuming - very funny!); Carver tried to
demand the tickets through 'legal action' (basically involved him citing a case
of 'Finders versus Keepers') and Tish simply hyperventilated. Then came Tino's
great line that you hinted at:
'For those of you keeping score: It's Greed 3, Dignity 0".
> - I've come up with a phrase for the type of ending this story ends
> with: a "have your cake and eat it too" type of ending. Kind of
> dilutes today's moral doesn't it? At least this time Tino actually
> *had* one (last time, he had nothing to say).
I thought it was a real cop out when it turned out that the 'tickets' were in
fact tokens that had to be exchanged for actual tickets - 2 per token.
> Second story thoughts:
> - If there ever was a time that Tish's accent became grating... it's
> this time. The detective dialog worked at the pizza place, but not
> elsewhere.
Absolutely. Her voice, and more to the point, her dialogue almost made me switch
off. Half the time I couldn't understand what on earth she was saying (Cue Tino:
'If you're going to talk like an old detective movie, can we at least have
subtitles?!'), and the other half, she didn't really have anything to say (cue
Tino again: 'All very good suggestions... Well, except for that Braided Snake
part(!) - what was that about?')
> - Funny line of the week: "Curse you, three-way calling".
> - Interesting line of the week: "Two wrongs don't make a right."
> "Well, *one* wrong doesn't make a right either, but two wrongs make
> me feel happier."
I thought that was a great line, because for once, the moral didn't hold up and
reality made a proper entrance into the show.
> - I noticed that some of the kids who were laughing at Christy
> appeared have been in the Pudding Ball and Party Planning eps.
Interesting point about the Pudding Ball ep - Chloe Montez. Was that chocolate
covered girl in that ep the elusive, and bad luck-prone Chloe Montez the four
always refer to?
> - As I said, Carv gets burned for doing the right thing again. Last
> time it was telling Chumbukkit the truth about the gang's planned
> dedication, this time it was minimizing the humilation he gave a
> classmate.
Yeah, he does the 'right thing' yet the troublemakers come out on top. A slight
cop-out perhaps... Especially as earlier on in the show, Lor came out with one
of her most intelligent lines yet - 'Sometimes you have to be cruel to be
kind... And sometimes it's just for fun.'
> - All in all, the story was pretty weak here. Even the moral was a
> bit half-hearted.
> OK, space padding: Is it just me, or do villains on KP always seem to
> kick security cameras? This week, after she talked to Ron about
> having trouble forming sentences in front of some guy named Josh
> (this was the Emmy nommed "Crush", right?), Wade showed her Drakken
> kicking a camera in Tokyo. The previous week, after KP was put in
> detention, Wade showed her some girl (Shego, I'd guess) kicking a
> camera in an Amazon lab. The first ep aired a week before... I didn't
> get to see much, just her working at Bueno Nacho (the "Naco" bit was
> hilarious) and a snowmobile blowing up during a snow chase with
> Drakken, but I would guess he kicked a camera in that one as well.
Interestingly, the season two eps of Kim Possible take a massive step in a
different direction altogether - the plots are more varied, the dialogue is far,
far funnier, and Kim is no-longer restricted by the same clothes she constantly
wore in the first season. I wonder if the show's makers have been watching The
Weekenders...?
I thought the first season of KP was lacking in places - the plots were almost
always the same and there was no real depth or personality to the characters.
> Meanwhile, I suspect someone might mishear the titles music as "Call
> me, beat me".
What, like Britney 'Hit me baby one more time' Spears? :-)
I'm not sure if it's just me, but the music in the second season sounds
different to the first - it's the same lyrics, but the backing track sounds
different.
Paul.
Paul Evans
"Chika" <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote in message
> In article <4837c056.03093...@posting.google.com>,
> ungvichian <ungvi...@thaimail.com> wrote:
> > * Two words: Chumbukkit concert.
>
> Sorry, but I always get this mixed with Sickbukkit...
>
:-)
Paul.
Chika
<uknorthernerSPAMMEAND...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > - Again, both stories have fadeouts midway (first story: after Tino's
> > talk with Cheri and some other two, second story: after the
> > humiliation at the beach)... I'm starting to suspect that they put
> > them there in case any broadcaster needs to squeeze in an ad or 2,
> > and not just to pad time.
> I've not heard of this happening in the States, and it's certainly never
> happened here in the UK on either The Disney Channel or Toon Disney. I
> never saw it on Diggit, but it's unlikely that even on a channel that's
> swamped with adverts (GMTV) they would pause a show six minutes in,
> stick in a couple of adverts and then go back for the second six
> minutes...
Don't *say* that! You'll give them ideas!!!
(now don't tell me that you aren't fed up with all the adverts that
pervade the majority of our channels?) ^_^
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