Classic Cartoon Network?
Misty
well as with the increased frequency of the World Premiere Toons getting
their own shows (I'm sorry, but I can't call them Cartoon Cartoons; it's too
stupid), and with the fact that CN is getting close to 300 classic WB
cartoons this fall (as Nick fully cancels "Looney Tunes"; it's already cut it
down to a half-hour a week), perhaps it's time to create a spin-off channel
of CN, called Classic Cartoon Network. All the WB, MGM, Popeye, and Pink
Panther cartoons can go here, as well as the early '60s TV toons that people
are clamoring for (like "Rocky and Bullwinkle" and "The Alvin Show", even
though CN doesn't have it yet), as well as the late '50s/early '60s
Hanna-Barbera toons (you know, back before the HB cartoons got bad), such as
"Yogi Bear," "Huckleberry Hound," "The Flintstones," and the 1962-63 episodes
of "The Jetsons." And CN could finally buy the TerryToons and put them on the
channel. Basically, anything pre-1965 would go on Classic CN, and anything
post-65 would go on CN.
Really, the idea works from all angles. People who think that CN shows too
many old WB and MGM cartoons, and not enough '80s stuff, can be happy, and
the classic cartoon fans (like myself) who think that the classics are shown
too little on CN can have a new channel for them. Really, with CN getting a
huge amount of WB cartoons soon, they've got to expand. And while the Tex
Avery and Tom n Jerry cartoons are the best of the MGMs, there are a lot of
other MGM cartoons that CN has largely ignored ever since "Tom and Jerry"
lost their hour-long weeknight time slot. And I, for one, would like to see
"Mighty Mouse" return.
So what do you think? Classic Cartoon Network for pre-65s, and Cartoon Network
for post-65s. It'd be the best of both worlds, I think.
Misty
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Jeffrey Gray
Neil4161 wrote:
> << And CN could finally buy the TerryToons and put them on the
> channel. >>
>
> Doubtful unless Viacom sells them.
>
> << Really, the idea works from all angles. People who think that CN shows too
> many old WB and MGM cartoons, and not enough '80s stuff, can be happy, and
> the classic cartoon fans (like myself) who think that the classics are shown
> too little on CN can have a new channel for them. Really, with CN getting a
> huge amount of WB cartoons soon, they've got to expand. And while the Tex
> Avery and Tom n Jerry cartoons are the best of the MGMs, there are a lot of
> other MGM cartoons that CN has largely ignored ever since "Tom and Jerry"
> lost their hour-long weeknight time slot. >>
>
> Apparently, MGM is buying back their library for $225 million, I believe by the
> year 2K. I think that may include the cartoons though it is possible the
> Cartoon Network may contiue the license.
Does WB get to keep its pre-1948 stuff?
Bob Nunes
Narf!
Thanks
for reading.
Bob
cspa...@cdsnet.net
Misty wrote:
With the "new" shows that CN seems to be getting the reruns of lately, as
well as with the increased frequency of the World Premiere Toons getting
their own shows (I'm sorry, but I can't call them Cartoon Cartoons; it's too
stupid), and with the fact that CN is getting close to 300 classic WB
cartoons this fall (as Nick fully cancels "Looney Tunes"; it's already cut it
down to a half-hour a week), perhaps it's time to create a spin-off channel
of CN, called Classic Cartoon Network. All the WB, MGM, Popeye, and Pink
Panther cartoons can go here, as well as the early '60s TV toons that people
are clamoring for (like "Rocky and Bullwinkle" and "The Alvin Show", even
though CN doesn't have it yet), as well as the late '50s/early '60s
Hanna-Barbera toons (you know, back before the HB cartoons got bad), such as
"Yogi Bear," "Huckleberry Hound," "The Flintstones," and the 1962-63 episodes
of "The Jetsons." And CN could finally buy the TerryToons and put them on the
channel. Basically, anything pre-1965 would go on Classic CN, and anything
post-65 would go on CN.
Really, the idea works from all angles. People who think that CN shows too
many old WB and MGM cartoons, and not enough '80s stuff, can be happy, and
the classic cartoon fans (like myself) who think that the classics are shown
too little on CN can have a new channel for them. Really, with CN getting a
huge amount of WB cartoons soon, they've got to expand. And while the Tex
Avery and Tom n Jerry cartoons are the best of the MGMs, there are a lot of
other MGM cartoons that CN has largely ignored ever since "Tom and Jerry"
Neil4161
channel. >>
Doubtful unless Viacom sells them.
<< Really, the idea works from all angles. People who think that CN shows too
many old WB and MGM cartoons, and not enough '80s stuff, can be happy, and
the classic cartoon fans (like myself) who think that the classics are shown
too little on CN can have a new channel for them. Really, with CN getting a
huge amount of WB cartoons soon, they've got to expand. And while the Tex
Avery and Tom n Jerry cartoons are the best of the MGMs, there are a lot of
other MGM cartoons that CN has largely ignored ever since "Tom and Jerry"
lost their hour-long weeknight time slot. >>
Apparently, MGM is buying back their library for $225 million, I believe by the
year 2K. I think that may include the cartoons though it is possible the
Cartoon Network may contiue the license.
Neil
amir...@hotmail.com
but not neccerally a one run by the cartoon network guys-
i think cables needs a good channel to show cartoons-run by guys who KNOW
cartoons and can treat them with respcet--(e.g: not like showing a cartoon-Cut
it by commercialS in the middle- and put a diffrent one after the commercial
break)
i think a channel like that should show the real good stuff,
the old--1930s--earlly 1950s wb's, mgm, b/w and color fleischers..
classic t.v stuff like the flintstones BEANY AND CECIL,yogi bear, bakshi/
kricfalusi's mighty mouse...
AND
give new cartoon creators a chance to get their stuff on tv, i mean REAL
CARTOONISTS! like spumco --who are triing to get their stuff on tv for a long
time, Spumco are triing to get stuff on tv with keep their chacetrs to their
own,which is the right thing to do, john k. learnded his lesson after REN AND
STIMPY.
WE SHOULD get a channel like that--
what do you say?
amir a.
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chat just like here on rec.arts.aniamtion
but only a live-time graphic chat
http://www.spumco.com/fan/chat.html
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>I think cables does need a new channel to show cartoons,
>but not neccerally a one run by the cartoon network guys-
>i think cables needs a good channel to show cartoons-run by guys who KNOW
>cartoons and can treat them with respcet--(e.g: not like showing a
>cartoon-Cut
>it by commercialS in the middle- and put a diffrent one after the commercial
>break)
>
>i think a channel like that should show the real good stuff,
>the old--1930s--earlly 1950s wb's, mgm, b/w and color fleischers..
>classic t.v stuff like the flintstones BEANY AND CECIL,yogi bear, bakshi/
>kricfalusi's mighty mouse...
> AND
>give new cartoon creators a chance to get their stuff on tv, i mean REAL
>CARTOONISTS! like spumco --who are triing to get their stuff on tv for a long
>time, Spumco are triing to get stuff on tv with keep their chacetrs to their
>own,which is the right thing to do, john k. learnded his lesson after REN AND
>STIMPY.
>
>WE SHOULD get a channel like that--
>what do you say?
> amir a.
>
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>my original cartoon creations at
>
LINUS THE LION HEARTED and maybe the 1960s Felxi the Cats and UPA Dick Tracys.
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> A good idea in theory, there is a problem that could prove fatal, as
> upstart cable networks fight for increasingly liminted space on cable
> systems' analog channels. Perhaps the best chance for "CN2"' survival
> may be with digital cable and direct satellite systems.
Golden Oldies radio stations, and implies as such, as if you have to be
an old fogie to appreciate the older cartoons. Best to keep CN as it is
so the younger kids can watch the older toons...
I know this post isn't very articulate, but really I can't be bothered
anymore.
Jeff Harris
<19990506232822...@ng43.aol.com>...
:
: Apparently, MGM is buying back their library for $225 million, I believe
by the
: year 2K. I think that may include the cartoons though it is possible the
: Cartoon Network may contiue the license.
Okay, clarification here. MGM is NOT buying back their library. They
recently bought out their contract with Warner Home Video.
Warner Bros. distributed MGM/UA Videos for the
longest time, including the MGM library owned by Ted Turner, which includes
movies such as Gone With The Wind, The Wizard of Oz, scores of musicals,
and other films. In the early 80's, Turner actually OWNED MGM/UA, which at
that time had a large library that included pre-1948 Warner Bros. material
such as Casablanca and the older Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies plus a vast
library of Paramount/Fleischer-produced Popeye shorts. Turner later sold
the studio but kept the library and awards the studio had. The deal that
was made dealt with all the non-Turner-owned movies (everything released
after 1986) such as MGM/UA recent releases which were still being released
on video by Warner Home Video.
The reason that MGM broke away from the deal is because it recently
acquired Orion Pictures and Polygram Filmed Entertainment (which MGM
purchased from Seagram's) and want to integrate it into its own film
division. Warner Bros keeps the classic MGM
movies and shorts owned by Turner, who's now vice-chairman of Time-Warner.
These movies and shorts will ALWAYS be owned and trademarked to Turner
Entertainment Company, a division of Time-Warner.
In conclusion, MGM gets out of its contract with Warner Home Video
effective on January 31, 2000. Warner Bros. no longer has rights to
MGM-owned property, but owns a LARGE library of MGM-produced films and
shorts (and has owned them since 1996 as part of the Time-Warner-Turner
merger). Tom and Jerry, Droopy, Red, Wolfie, Spike, and the Tex Avery
shorts aren't leaving Cartoon Network. DIVX bad, DVD good. The Revolution
will be televised.
And now you know the rest of the story.
Good day!
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CN2: Toonami - The Inner Circle
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/8307/index.html
The Revolution WILL Be Televised
VANESSA COX
>
> I think cables does need a new channel to show cartoons,
> but not neccerally a one run by the cartoon network guys-
> i think cables needs a good channel to show cartoons-run by guys who KNOW
> cartoons and can treat them with respcet--(e.g: not like showing a cartoon-Cut
> it by commercialS in the middle- and put a diffrent one after the commercial
> break)
>
> i think a channel like that should show the real good stuff,
> the old--1930s--earlly 1950s wb's, mgm, b/w and color fleischers..
> classic t.v stuff like the flintstones BEANY AND CECIL,yogi bear, bakshi/
> kricfalusi's mighty mouse...
AND
> give new cartoon creators a chance to get their stuff on tv, i mean REAL
> CARTOONISTS! like spumco --who are triing to get their stuff on tv for a long
> time, Spumco are triing to get stuff on tv with keep their chacetrs to their
> own,which is the right thing to do, john k. learnded his lesson after REN AND
> STIMPY.
>
> WE SHOULD get a channel like that--
> what do you say?
Turner authorising such a network. It would be too specialist- all the
networks are aimed at the lowest common denominator. I do love the idea,
though- if only, if only...
Jeffrey Gray
VANESSA COX wrote:
I know! A&E would finance the channel!
simon
<k4...@maristb.marist.edu> writes
> With the "new" shows that CN seems to be getting the reruns of lately
>of CN, called Classic Cartoon Network.
Funnily enough the Mysterious cities of gold mailing list are talking
about this as we speak. I think the lack of 80's toons is a disgrace.
--
simon
VANESSA COX
I think that the less eighties' toons we have the better.
Jeff Harris
Bob Nunes <cspa...@internetcds.com> wrote in article
<37326833...@internetcds.com>...
: A good idea in theory, there is a problem that could prove fatal, as
upstart cable
: networks fight for increasingly liminted space on cable systems' analog
channels.
: Perhaps the best chance for "CN2"' survival may be with digital cable and
direct
: satellite systems.
:
Hey, HEY!! CN2 is already taken by the CN2: Toonami campaign I'm a part of.
However, I'd like to see yet another Cartoon Network as well. Think about
it. Movie channels are multiplexing at a record pace. HBO has divided
into three other networks (Plus, Signature, and Family) and two more on the
horizon (Edge and Comedy). Even Discovery has multiplexed their lineup
into different networks (The Learning Channel, Animal Planet, Wings, Kids,
Home & Leisure, Civilization, Science, and Health). Now Cartoon Network has
the resources (and the money) to create a couple of spinoff networks. One
could showcase action animation and programming and another could showcase
classic cartoons from the golden age of television. Now, I'm not a
programmer, but I think there should be two different channels: Cartoon
Network's Toonami and Cartoon Network's Boomerang (networks named after
their two blocks of programming that set itself apart from the rest of the
network.). Now, I could expand my campaigns to include a petition to
create a classic Cartoon Network. Heck, maybe I will! Stay tuned for
further developments.
Later.
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I agree. However I liked TROLLKINS.
VANESSA COX
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Hanna-Barbera as a Dukes of Hazzadf/SheriffLobo/Smuf combination, but the
networks constantly over what it should belike.Theyu were elves,living in a
whimiscla,zany backwoods world.Paul Winchell starred asthe vocie of Mayor
Lumpkin,. USA Network reran iot ten years ago.
simon
<vanes...@virgin.net> writes
>simon wrote:
>>
>> In article <7gspft$e51$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Misty
>> <k4...@maristb.marist.edu> writes
>> > With the "new" shows that CN seems to be getting the reruns of lately
>> >perhaps it's time to create a spin-off channel
>> >of CN, called Classic Cartoon Network.
>>
>> Funnily enough the Mysterious cities of gold mailing list are talking
>> about this as we speak. I think the lack of 80's toons is a disgrace.
>
>I think that the less eighties' toons we have the better.
How many good 90's toon's can you name?
I'd exclude south park and the simpsons (started in the 80's) because of
there wide appeal.
--
simon
VANESSA COX
simon
That's what I thought but I think it's ok now, I'll give it a chance. It
is hugly over rated though
--
simon
VANESSA COX
totally non-existent, and there is absolutely nothing of note for me to
be drawn to the show.
Anyway, those two geeky presenters called The Simpsons a 'family show',
for which they can never be forgiven.
VANESSA COX
Ooooppppssss...clearly meant 'creators. Don't worry, though- you'll find
plenty of similar errors in my posts.
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>Ooooppppssss...clearly meant 'creators. Don't worry, though- you'll find
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Vanessa, Beavis ands Beutthead's unpretentiousness and Three Stooges humor and
cukltural refences makes it the best IMHO 1990s show.
Just the Brady Bunch and Gilligan references in some shows was hilarious.And
Space Ghost, Johnny Bravo and Powerpuff girls,too.
Gerard Motola
>
> In article <373635...@virgin.net>, VANESSA COX
> <vanes...@virgin.net> writes
> >simon wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <7gspft$e51$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Misty
> >> <k4...@maristb.marist.edu> writes
> >> > With the "new" shows that CN seems to be getting the reruns of lately
> >> >perhaps it's time to create a spin-off channel
> >> >of CN, called Classic Cartoon Network.
> >>
> >> Funnily enough the Mysterious cities of gold mailing list are talking
> >> about this as we speak. I think the lack of 80's toons is a disgrace.
> >
> >I think that the less eighties' toons we have the better.
>
> How many good 90's toon's can you name?
> I'd exclude south park and the simpsons (started in the 80's) because of
> there wide appeal.
> simon
Easy. Animaniacs, The Simpsons, Pinky and the Brain, Freakazoid,
Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls, Space Ghost Coast to Coast,
Futurama, Cartoon Planet, Earthworm Jim, Tiny Toon Adventures...
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>
> simon wrote:
> >
> > In article <373635...@virgin.net>, VANESSA COX
> > <vanes...@virgin.net> writes
> > >simon wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In article <7gspft$e51$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Misty
> > >> <k4...@maristb.marist.edu> writes
> > >> > With the "new" shows that CN seems to be getting the reruns of lately
> > >> >perhaps it's time to create a spin-off channel
> > >> >of CN, called Classic Cartoon Network.
> > >>
> > >> Funnily enough the Mysterious cities of gold mailing list are talking
> > >> about this as we speak. I think the lack of 80's toons is a disgrace.
> > >
> > >I think that the less eighties' toons we have the better.
> >
> > How many good 90's toon's can you name?
> > I'd exclude south park and the simpsons (started in the 80's) because of
> > there wide appeal.
> > --
> > simon
> Easy. Animaniacs, The Simpsons, Pinky and the Brain, Freakazoid,
> Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls, Space Ghost Coast to Coast,
> Futurama, Cartoon Planet, Earthworm Jim, Tiny Toon Adventures...
VANESSA COX
just out of interest?
Hope I'm not being snoopy, I just want a greater insight into your
tastes, that's all...
Michael Babitsky
Easy. Danger Mouse, Mysterious Cities of Gold, Adventures of the Little
Koala, Ulysses 31, Mighty Orbots, Dungeons and Dragons, Pole Position,
New Adv.s of Mighty Mouse, Braingames, Blackstar, Ducktales, Legend of
Zelda, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Real Ghostbusters, Visionaries,
Robotech, Gummi Bears, Kimagure Orange Road, Jem, Transformers, Trap
Door, ALFtales, MASK, Super Ted, Littles, Bananaman, Starblazers
Galaxy Rangers, GI Joe...
-MIKE
simon
>simon wrote:
>>
>> In article <373635...@virgin.net>, VANESSA COX
>> <vanes...@virgin.net> writes
>> >simon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <7gspft$e51$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Misty
>> >> <k4...@maristb.marist.edu> writes
>> >> > With the "new" shows that CN seems to be getting the reruns of lately
>> >> >perhaps it's time to create a spin-off channel
>> >> >of CN, called Classic Cartoon Network.
>> >>
>> >> Funnily enough the Mysterious cities of gold mailing list are talking
>> >> about this as we speak. I think the lack of 80's toons is a disgrace.
>> >
>> >I think that the less eighties' toons we have the better.
>>
>> How many good 90's toon's can you name?
>> I'd exclude south park and the simpsons (started in the 80's) because of
>> there wide appeal.
>> --
>> simon
>Dexter's Lab, Earthworm Jim,
I can honestly say these do nothing for me
> Freakazoid,Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls, Space Ghost Coast to Coast,
>Futurama, Cartoon Planet,
Never seen these
>The Simpsons Tiny Toon Adventures...
I said *apart* from the simpsons! TTA was quite good.
--
simon
simon
Babitsky <djf...@monmouth.com> writes
>> NOW name some good eighties' shows...
>
>Easy. Danger Mouse, Mysterious Cities of Gold, Adventures of the Little
>Koala, Ulysses 31, Mighty Orbots, Dungeons and Dragons, Pole Position,
>New Adv.s of Mighty Mouse, Braingames, Blackstar, Ducktales, Legend of
>Zelda, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Real Ghostbusters, Visionaries,
>Robotech, Gummi Bears, Kimagure Orange Road, Jem, Transformers, Trap
>Door, ALFtales, MASK, Super Ted, Littles, Bananaman, Starblazers
>Galaxy Rangers, GI Joe...
>
mysterious cities of gold, the amazing spiderman and friends (much
better than the shallow 90's version), that one where the dogs get
seperated from there owners, thundercats, count duckula, He man,
inspector gadget, the simpsons, The wind in the willows. I'm sure there
are plenty more
--
simon
VANESSA COX
eighties.
BTW, The Simpsons definitely debuted in the eighties, whether you count
the Tracey Ullman shorts or whether you just count that Christmas
episode broadcast at the tail-end of 1989, but I prefer to see it as a
nineties' cartoon.
simon
<vanes...@virgin.net> writes
>Jeez, I can't remember most of them, and I was bought up in the
>eighties.
So was I
>
>BTW, The Simpsons definitely debuted in the eighties, whether you count
>the Tracey Ullman shorts or whether you just count that Christmas
>episode broadcast at the tail-end of 1989, but I prefer to see it as a
>nineties' cartoon.
But 80's in spirit. Look at those references to A.L.F and Mcguiver.
--
simon
VANESSA COX
SBaet
VANESSA COX
>
> Yea! Great Idea!
You think so?