Ranking Disney's 45 Animated Features... +1
Randy
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Well...Another feature another ranking list. It's really hard
get these in order but the last few have been so bad that
their placement was easy. I remember not too long ago saying
that the Aristocats was one on my least favorite Disney
features... It's a gem compared to 3 at the bottom of my
list.
As usual the rankings could go up or down a few spots depending
on my mood (or how recently I've seen a feature) but this new
animated feature "Home on the Range" could only be 43rd, 44th
or 45th... that's it. It was a great disapointment.
The animation seemed like the days I was a kid going to the
drive-in and seeing a cinemascope pre-movie cartoon of a late
50's Droopy. The voicework was fair at best, the story was just
awful and the villian was pathetic. The music seemed to fit
just fine. It seemed like a hurried effort with no heart or
soul.
I saw this only 2x (my norm is 3x) but as with "Treasure
Planet" people were walking out in the middle. 5 year
olds seemed to like it though.
I enjoy the warmth of 2D animation as opposed to 3D computer
versions but if the only thing that can be put out these
days is what I just saw I'm glad it's going. The thing is I
was amazed with "Iron Giant" and I enjoyed "Sinbad: Legend of
the Seven Seas" so it's simply Disney that has lost it's
magic.
All of these were seen on the theatre screen before watching
them on video/dvd... no one should see a Disney Classic at
home before they encounter it first on the Big Screen...
your view will be skewed forever.
So for about the 11th time in the last eight years here is my
ranking of the 45 (+1) Disney Animated Features. The extra +1
is for "Victory Through Air Power."
1. Pinocchio
<gap>
2. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
3. The Little Mermaid
4. Beauty and the Beast
5. Bambi
6. Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs
7. 101 Dalmatians
8. Aladdin
9. Lady and the Tramp
10. Cinderella
11. The Lion King
12. Dumbo
13. Sleeping Beauty
14. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
15. Fantasia
16. Hercules
17. The Sword in the Stone
18. Tarzan
19. The Jungle Book
20. Lilo & Stitch
21. Peter Pan
22. The Rescuers Down Under
23. Mulan
24. Make Mine Music
25. The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
26. The Fox and the Hound
27. Atlantis: the Lost Empire
28. Fantasia 2000
29. Brother Bear
30. The Rescuers
31. The Great Mouse Detective
32. Pocahontas
33. Melody Time
??. Victory Through Air Power
34. Alice in Wonderland
35. Robin Hood
36. The Emperor's New Groove
37. The Black Cauldron
<gap>
38. Oliver and Company
39. The Aristocats
40. Fun and Fancy Free
41. The Three Cabelleros
42. Saludos Amigos
<big, big gap>
43 Jungle Book 2
44. Home on the Range
45. Treasure Planet
In case some can't remember what cartoons are in
the conglomerations...
Fun and Fancy Free includes: Bongo, Micky and the Beanstalk
Melody Time includes: Once Upon a Wintertime, Bumble Boogie,
Johnny Appleseed, Trees, Little Toot, Blame it on the Samba, Pecos Bill.
Make Mine Music includes: A Fairy Tale with Music aka Peter and the
Wolf, Opera Pathetique aka The Whale Who Wanted To Sing at the Met,
A Tone Poem aka Blue Bayou, A Rustic Ballad aka the Martins and the
Coys, A Musical Recitation aka Casey at the Bat, Ballade Ballet aka Two
Silhouettes, A Ballad in Blue aka Without You, A Jazz Interlude aka All
the Cats Join In, After You've Gone, A Love Story aka Johnny Fedora and
Alice Bluebonnet
Saludos Amigos includes: Lake Titicaca, Pedro, El Gaucho Goofy,
Aquarela do Brasil
The Three Cabelleros includes: The Cold Blooded Penguin,
The Flying Gauchito, Baia, La Pinata
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Randy
JackPayback
Did you not include that because of the live action elements?
Juan F. Lara
Randy <yks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I wouldn't count "Jungle Book 2" in the ranking. That was made by the
Television Animation division. I wonder why you keep that in the list but
not films from "Duck Tales: the Movie" to "Teacher's Pet". Not to mention
many animation/live action combos like "Mary Poppins" and "The Reluctant
Dragon".
"A" GRADE
The Fox and the Hound
Aladdin
Bambi
Dumbo
Lilo and Stitch
The Rescuers Down Under
Lady and the Tramp
The Great Mouse Detective
The Lion King
Cinderella
"B" GRADE
Fantasia
The Three Caballeros
The Emperor's New Groove
One Hundred and One Dalmatians
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
Home on the Range
Pinocchio
Tarzan
Beauty and the Beast
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Robin Hood
Sleeping Beauty
Peter Pan
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Alice in Wonderland
The Little Mermaid
Brother Bear
"C" GRADE
Saludos Amigos
Melody Time
Hercules
Make Mine Music
Fantasia 2000
Treasure Planet
The Jungle Book
Pocahontas
Atlantis: the Lost Empire
"D" GRADE
The Rescuers
The Sword in the Stone
Fun and Fancy Free
The Black Cauldron
The AristoCats
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Oliver and Company
Like I said before the ranks in my "A" grade category are the only ones I
really feel strongly about.
- Juan F. Lara
http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/lara6281/intro.html
Randy
> ya seem to have omited "song of the south."
>
> Did you not include that because of the live action elements?
Song of the South is not a numbered Classic Animated feature as per
Disney marketing. I would have added it to the + catagory like
"Victory through Air Power" but it has been so long (multiple decades)
since I've seen it my memory is quite fuzzy on how good or bad it
really is. I wish I had a copy to view for a refresher but until then
it wouldn't be fair for me to include it in my own list.
Randy
Randy S
> In article <6af26768.0404...@posting.google.com>,
> Randy <yks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't count "Jungle Book 2" in the ranking. That was made by the
> Television Animation division. I wonder why you keep that in the list but
> not films from "Duck Tales: the Movie" to "Teacher's Pet". Not to mention
> many animation/live action combos like "Mary Poppins" and "The Reluctant
> Dragon".
When I first emailed the Disney marketing dept they emailed me back saying JB2
was to be included in the list of classic features. Since then it appears to
have been removed from that distinction. Your right... it shouldn't be there.
As for "Mary Poppins" and "The Reluctant Dragon"... Mary Poppins is not an
animated feature by any stretch of the imagination. It is a Disney feature with
some animated sequences. The full 72 minute Reluctant Dragon from 1941 I have
not seen... but, like "Song of the South" where my memory is too fuzzy to rank
it, if I do see it I shall put it in the + catagory.
Randy
Juan F. Lara
Randy S <yks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When I first emailed the Disney marketing dept they emailed me back saying
> JB2 was to be included in the list of classic features.
Do they even have a "list of classic features" anymore? I haven't seen
a numbered feature ad in years. Besides, the list was always just a marketing
gimmick.
- Juan F. Lara
Derek Janssen
> Juan F. Lara wrote:
>
>> In article <6af26768.0404...@posting.google.com>,
>> Randy <yks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't count "Jungle Book 2" in the ranking.
(Well...<yeesh!>...JL...It not SUPPOSED to be a *ranking* ranking, it's
just supposed to be Randy's latest tantrum over the fact that "Home on
the Range" wasn't what he thought it was going to be, so it was an even
meaner, ickier, worst movie ever-ever-ever, but wasn't HALF as
icky-worst and Pinocchio-desecrating as <ick!ptuu!hairball!> Treasure
Planet, the incarnation of Evil on this earth...)
[NOTE: The above statement was meant for the satirical purposes of
ridiculing said poster's annoying habit, and not in any way meant to be
a reflection of personal opinions regarding "Treasure Planet", which I
own on disk, which itself is a heck of a lot more than I can say for
"Brother Bear".]
>> That was made by
>> the Television Animation division. I wonder why you keep that in the
>> list but not films from "Duck Tales: the Movie" to "Teacher's Pet".
>> Not to mention
>> many animation/live action combos like "Mary Poppins" and "The
>> Reluctant Dragon".
>
> When I first emailed the Disney marketing dept they emailed me back
> saying JB2 was to be included in the list of classic features. Since
> then it appears to have been removed from that distinction. Your
> right... it shouldn't be there.
But then, considering JB2 *was* the theatrical video dump that finally
caused Eisner to say "...Will you people STOP that already???", although
it was the combining "Piglet's Big Movie" factor that clinched it.
Derek Janssen
dja...@rcn.com
Derek Janssen
The "number" thing went out with the Limited Editions:
However, given the rapid studio-pulled disappearing act of the cheapquel
DVD's (even the theatrically dumped ones like JB2 and Return to
Neverland) 2 disk SE's and hyped Platinums seem to have reminded their
video department what's a Classic and what isn't--
So, although "Lion King II" and "Pocahontas 2" (and yeah, that Mulan 2
that kinda got away before they shut the rest down) still exist as
separate entities, most of the pulled cheapquels to titles still
remaining on the Platinum list (Jungle Book, 101D) are rumored to have
now been downgraded to "Bonus extras"...
Derek Janssen (it was a short nightmare, yes, but largely behind us now)
dja...@rcn.com
Terrence Briggs
> Randy S wrote:
>
> > Juan F. Lara wrote:
> >
> >> In article <6af26768.0404...@posting.google.com>,
> >> Randy <yks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I wouldn't count "Jungle Book 2" in the ranking.
>
> (Well...<yeesh!>...JL...It not SUPPOSED to be a *ranking* ranking, it's
> just supposed to be Randy's latest tantrum over the fact that "Home on
> the Range" wasn't what he thought it was going to be, so it was an even
> meaner, ickier, worst movie ever-ever-ever, but wasn't HALF as
> icky-worst and Pinocchio-desecrating as <ick!ptuu!hairball!> Treasure
> Planet, the incarnation of Evil on this earth...)
>
> [NOTE: The above statement was meant for the satirical purposes of
> ridiculing said poster's annoying habit, and not in any way meant to be
> a reflection of personal opinions regarding "Treasure Planet", which I
> own on disk, which itself is a heck of a lot more than I can say for
> "Brother Bear".]
Ya know, once you stop throwing tantrums like these posts, the satire
will sharpen considerably. Take it from someone who's been there:
Google-archived irony doesn't play well.
Having said that, I'd place BB right above Atlantis on the "Diz just
doesn't care anymore" end of the barrel. Hey, at least the
backgrounds looked good :)
<snip>
> Derek Janssen
> dja...@rcn.com
Terrence Briggs
Peace to you...
Randy S
> Randy S wrote:
>
>> Juan F. Lara wrote:
>>
>>> In article <6af26768.0404...@posting.google.com>,
>>> Randy <yks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wouldn't count "Jungle Book 2" in the ranking.
>
>
> (Well...<yeesh!>...JL...It not SUPPOSED to be a *ranking* ranking, it's
> just supposed to be Randy's latest tantrum over the fact that "Home on
> the Range" wasn't what he thought it was going to be, so it was an even
> meaner, ickier, worst movie ever-ever-ever, but wasn't HALF as
> icky-worst and Pinocchio-desecrating as <ick!ptuu!hairball!> Treasure
> Planet, the incarnation of Evil on this earth...)
>
> [NOTE: The above statement was meant for the satirical purposes of
> ridiculing said poster's annoying habit, and not in any way meant to be
> a reflection of personal opinions regarding "Treasure Planet", which I
> own on disk, which itself is a heck of a lot more than I can say for
> "Brother Bear".]
I put out a personal ranking list, like bazillions of magazines do, to get
people to talk about animation. I figure no one agrees with each others lists
but people like Juan usually give constructive criticisms, add their own lists,
argue a bit and have some fun. That's pretty much it. I've watched animated
features for 4 decades so I've seen my share on the big screen.
I don't see where I've thrown tantrums now or in the past nor have I ever said
anything bad, or good, about Mr Derek Janssen. Maybe it's how he gets off;
writing disparaging things about people... how sad for him. I'm sure he'll grow
up some day and be able to give opinions yet still be able to add fun and whimsy
to a conversation. Today is not that day.
R
Derek Janssen
> Derek Janssen doth writ:
>
>>>> In article <6af26768.0404...@posting.google.com>,
>>>> Randy <yks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>> (Well...<yeesh!>...JL...It not SUPPOSED to be a *ranking* ranking,
>> it's just supposed to be Randy's latest tantrum over the fact that
>> "Home on the Range" wasn't what he thought it was going to be, so it
>> was an even meaner, ickier, worst movie ever-ever-ever, but wasn't
>> HALF as icky-worst and Pinocchio-desecrating as <ick!ptuu!hairball!>
>> Treasure Planet, the incarnation of Evil on this earth...)
> I put out a personal ranking list, like bazillions of magazines do, to
> get people to talk about animation. I figure no one agrees with each
> others lists but people like Juan usually give constructive criticisms,
> add their own lists, argue a bit and have some fun. That's pretty much
> it. I've watched animated features for 4 decades so I've seen my share
> on the big screen.
>
> I don't see where I've thrown tantrums now or in the past nor have I
> ever said anything bad, or good, about Mr Derek Janssen. Maybe it's how
> he gets off; writing disparaging things about people...
Or, maybe we're just saying to....back off a little--We GET it.
And while we're on the magic and mystery of Growing Up, maybe--Simpsons
reruns aside--there comes that time, ohh, down the road in life when one
becomes a bit more mellow and clinical in one's judgments, and, with a
shrug and a self-chiding chuckle, one realizes that something one didn't
happen to like that particular week maybe *wasn't* the Worst. Movie. Ever.
Derek Janssen (one to grow on)
dja...@rcn.com
Randy S
> Randy S wrote:
>
>> Derek Janssen doth writ:
>>
>>>>> In article <6af26768.0404...@posting.google.com>,
>>>>> Randy <yks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>> (Well...<yeesh!>...JL...It not SUPPOSED to be a *ranking* ranking,
>>> it's just supposed to be Randy's latest tantrum over the fact that
>>> "Home on the Range" wasn't what he thought it was going to be, so it
>>> was an even meaner, ickier, worst movie ever-ever-ever, but wasn't
>>> HALF as icky-worst and Pinocchio-desecrating as <ick!ptuu!hairball!>
>>> Treasure Planet, the incarnation of Evil on this earth...)
>>
>> I put out a personal ranking list, like bazillions of magazines do, to
>> get people to talk about animation. I figure no one agrees with each
>> others lists but people like Juan usually give constructive
>> criticisms, add their own lists, argue a bit and have some fun. That's
>> pretty much it. I've watched animated features for 4 decades so I've
>> seen my share on the big screen.
>>
>> I don't see where I've thrown tantrums now or in the past nor have I
>> ever said anything bad, or good, about Mr Derek Janssen. Maybe it's
>> how he gets off; writing disparaging things about people...
>
> Or, maybe we're just saying to....back off a little--We GET it.
Back off a little? Do you have me confused with someone else? While I read this
group all the time I usually only post when a new Disney movie comes out. I rank
it and move on.
>
> And while we're on the magic and mystery of Growing Up, maybe--Simpsons
> reruns aside--there comes that time, ohh, down the road in life when one
> becomes a bit more mellow and clinical in one's judgments, and, with a
> shrug and a self-chiding chuckle, one realizes that something one didn't
> happen to like that particular week maybe *wasn't* the Worst. Movie. Ever.
Particular week? Worst movie ever? When did I ever say that? I rank only Disney
Classic Animated Features and compare them only to each other. I don't rank them
in comparison to other Disney features, other company's animation or movies in
general and I watch them "multiple times" before giving judgement... just in
case I got a batch of bad popcorn the first go around.
When I have seen magazine polls and teachers saying that "Fox and the Hound" is
terrible and should be avoided I disagree. Mr Lara always puts it at the top of
his list and while I certainly wouldn't put it that high I have no problem with
him doing so. I'm glad he states his opinion and it makes me view it again to
see if maybe I missed something. At least he has some fun and responds with a
ranking of his own. It's entertaining even when we don't see eye to eye.
I don't watch much Simpsons but when I do chuckles always ensue.
Randy
Steve Carras
1.Pinnochio
2.Dumbo
3.Bambi
4.Snow White
5.Sword in Stone
6.Dalmations
7.Alice
8.Three Cabalerros
9.Cinderella
10.Sleeping Beauty
11.Aristocats
12a.Jungle Book
12b.The Reluctant Dragon
14.Robin Hood
15.Fantasia (the original 1940 one)
Randy S
I've a query for you... since you ranked a solid 15 features and you said you
liked the Pixar films (as do I). If you were to include the Pixar-like films
would they all crack your listed 15? I guess we'd be talking about:
Toy Story
A Bug's Life
Toy Story 2
Monsters, Inc.
Finding Nemo
and maybe something like James and the Giant Peach
They are so different and I know it would be hard and little unfair but I'm just
wondering. I'd have to ponder a bit and I'm not sure they would crack my top 10.
My order for those 6 would be:
Toy Story
Monsters, Inc.
Finding Nemo
A Bug's Life
Toy Story 2
James and the Giant Peach
But where they'd go in a complete list is hard to say.
Randy