Utica Cartoon Apology.
Fran Krause
Newsgroup and emailed a bunch of people about the site I've been
putting up for my cartoon, "Utica Cartoon". It's one of the cartoons
that's taking part in Cartoon Network's "Big Pick". I'm really happy
with how the website's turned out, and was just trying to get people
to see it and hopefully cast a vote for my cartoon. I figured it was
kind of a shot in the dark. Unfortunately, I recieved a very angry
email this morning. To all the people that my email has offended, I
apologize. It was not meant as a malicious attack in any way, I am not
selling porn, high school diplomas, or debt consolidation techniques,
I just wanted people to watch my cartoons.
-Fran Krause
www.uticacartoon.com
G&L
anything I'm interested. If it's any consellation; your competitor sent
one too.......
I don't get CN;-)
Gerard
http://www3.telus.net/drard/
Val Adams
remotely offensive.
anyway i like watching clips.
Val
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Becks
Good luck with your toon, Fran. Shame the first file I clicked on was about
a million MBs - its size made me cancel download almost immediately.
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http://www.toontalents.com/
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Fran Krause
Thanks for checking out the site! There's some smaller things in the
daily games page ( check out
http://www.uticacartoon.com/dailygame/beatbox.html )
Looks like the offended party had hotmail shut off my email account,
and has sworn voting revenge. Dang. I haven't had a nemesis since
those twin sisters on the bus in fourth grade.
-Fran
Fran Krause
I guess he also had email account #2 shut off, which I didn't even use
for his mailing. In case you're interested, here's the angry email:
Fran (no email now):
I'm new to the whole publicity thing.
(d_l...@lifeisunfair.net):
"This is patently obvious, considering the fact that you decided to
utilize the "spam" technique.
I don't appreciate being sent an unsolicited e-mail, particularly by
someone who doesn't know how to hide the recipients' addresses. (As a
result, 164 strangers now possess my e-mail address.)
I have forwarded your breach of acceptable Internet conduct to the
Cartoon Network, and I will make absolutely certain that every
animation
enthusiast with whom I'm acquainted is informed of your behavior and
advised to vote for one of your opponents."
//As far as the 164 people go (did he count them?) they were all taken
off the newsgroup, so they all had his email for a long time
beforehand. I am confused, because I didn't know there were so many
Dave Levys in animation (This isn't the really nice Dave Levy who's
president of Asifa East, I'm sure of that).
-Fran
thun...@ix.netcom.com
It's no big deal . No apology necessary.
Alice Cabrera
: Update:
: I guess he also had email account #2 shut off, which I didn't even use
: for his mailing. In case you're interested, here's the angry email:
Ok, I tried emailing this but apparently your email address is
undeliverable. Anyways, not trying to berate you or anything but since you
seem new to this I'd like to point out that posting people's emails to you
unless they give permission is kinda looked on as bad form (with some
exceptions made in the case of them saying they didn't say something that
they did in the email they sent you). I don't think everyone hates it,
but many people do look down on it.
Tigress
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worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
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Val Adams
Personally I think the gentleman is over-reacting, but the part that
fascinates me is that hotmail would close an account over this. I mean, I
have got 19 addresses (by actual count) in my killfile with hotmail headers,
and if they let some of that go through, esp. the 'flame' type posts....
well i grant most of them are for content, which is none of the hosts
business, except maybe as some are posted to every ng i subscribe to i
think they constitute spam anyway; but the rest are spam plain and simple,
unsolicited 'buy me' offers, and am most interested to know there may
actually be something one can do about the more persistent of these.
I do agree it's not a great idea to leave the recipients eadds on, there's a
lot of kooks out there. As for republishing the letter without explicit
permission, that's a tricky one. I work in a lot of genealogy groups & we
swap data like mad, frequently by forwarding each others email. Rule of
thumb there is, no eadds & no personal data about live folks without
explicit permission; content of emails may be the whole point of what one is
communicating about in the first place!.
well, but this isn't a gen group, presumably all the folks here are live,
( sigh; I'll say it before someone else does; "genealogists do it with dead
people" ;okay, have we got that out of the way now?)
so imagine different 'rules' would have to apply. In the instance however I
think it appropriate for you to re-post, considering the storm that is maybe
blowing up about it. Anyway was dying of curiousity!
back to cartoons. I agree some of the clips were awfully big. I picked one
of the smaller ones, Martin & Jonathan in sketch form, & liked it very
much, especially the dry low key flavor. I cant commit to a vote till I get
a look at some of the others, that's a 'rule of thumb' older than the net,
at least for me, but will make the effort to do so. My affection for CN
comes & goes; I can enjoy Hanna-Barbera in moderation but when it comes to
super-chunks of Fat Freddie I'd rather do laundry.
I do wish you good luck though, and please be sure to let ng know when you
find a new ISP.
Best
Val
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Fran Krause
manners, I'm just trying to figure out the anger / retaliation thing,
and since it was the only angry message I got (I've gotten a bunch of
friendly ones) I decided to post it. He wouldn't reply to any of the
personal apologies I sent before my mail was shut off. I've been using
newsgroups for all of three days now.
-Fran Krause
Val Adams
there are 6 David Levy' in the IMDB, but none of them seem to be in
animation
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Alice Cabrera
: Yeah, my email accounts got shut off. I don't mean to have bad
: manners, I'm just trying to figure out the anger / retaliation thing,
Well, you seem to have good intentions but you seem to need to learn some
netiquette (it's kind of obvious you're new to this).
One thign that helps is to read the faqs for a certain newsgroup. Some
circulate it monthly (unfortunately I haven't seen any faq on this
newsgroup posted yet).
Here is a good page about the bare basics with links to some more detailed
stuff about netiquette:
http://www.learnthenet.com/english/html/09netiqt.htm
Anyways, you're probably already learning and it does help a lot to just
read a newsgroup and see what tends to piss people off and what they seem
to like (some things are general across newsgroups and other thinsg are
particular to that newsgroup, for example don't go in the cat newsgroup
and tell them that you love to declaw your cats. That would be called
trolling, where you are posting something that is known to inflame the
group).
: and since it was the only angry message I got (I've gotten a bunch of
: friendly ones) I decided to post it. He wouldn't reply to any of the
*nod* But unless it is something where he claims not to have said
something and he did in the email, it is usually not a good idea to post
emails. They are considered private communications and it would be like if
I told you something confidentially and you went and told eveyrone else
without asking me first. It usually reflects more on you than him/her
(this newsgroup being a lot more forgiving than some I've been on) unless
you seemed to have a good reason for posting it.
Fran Krause
I still have an ISP for the website, just no email right now. The
cartoons are still up at www.uticacartoon.com
For something smaller and fun, try
www.uticacartoon.com/dailygame/beatbox.html
Thanks for acctually talking about cartoons! Yay! I don't mean to
drone, it's just disconcerting to think there's an animator out there
that has something against me, considering I go to alot of festivals
and have no idea who he is or what he looks like. Creepy.
Anyhow - about the sketch clips. When we were showing CN the original
voice tests, they didn't like them, and wanted us to hire professional
VO actors. Big Problem! All the characters in the cartoon are based on
our friends as animals, and all the voices are impersonations of those
friends. We couldn't think of it any other way. They'd say, "Dan
sounds like a surfer, shouldn't he sound like a Bear?" And we'd say,
"But that's what Dan sounds like! He's not from California! He's from
Vermont!" We really wanted to make the characters sound more like
people. Conversational tones and deadpan.
Anyhow, over a few days we set up a little recording studio in Jesse's
hallway out of matresses and did the pencil tests that are on the
website. That way, even if the CN folks didn't like the voices, they'd
have the picture in their heads of the characters having those voices.
Luckily, it worked.
That was, though, about the only thing CN (temporarily) disagreed
with. They were really, really great to deal with. As far as the
contract was concerned, after the voices and color models were
approved, we didn't have to send them anything until the pencil test
was done, and then at clean-up, and then after that nothing until the
film was done (it's all cel shot on 35mm... figured it was our last
chance). We ended up sending tapes off more than that, but just
because this is our first big project and we wanted the feedback.
-Fran
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Val Adams
'kewl!'
That is one thing I do admire about CN, they're providing a showcase for new
material. I love cartoons/animation of most all kinds, but in the course of
a long lifetime some of the ideas & treatments just get bloody stale. Think
the 'live' voices are a good idea too; giggle, I mean, my hubby is nicknamed
"The Bear", I KNOW what a bear sounds like, I really Want to hear what a new
different character 'actually' sounds like, as differentiated from all
those previous weak imitations who dont sound anything like MY bear anyway;
regardless of 'what face he carries or what form he wears'...
oops on terminolgy, still new enough at this myself to screw that up fairly
often. I thought the two went together but evidently not. Anyway have put
your site in my 'animation' favorites. email not a big issue for me myself,
dont usually bother ng people at home anyway.
as for ole 'creepy' sourpuss, try not to let it bother you, it takes all
kinds. Maybe he's a competitor trying to rattle you, ( though one would hope
cartoon making folk would be above that sort of shabbiness) or maybe just an
ordinary person who hit 'spam' ignition point for reasons that had nothing
to do with you & you got the fallout. trying to sort something like that in
your head can just make you crazy, & even worse take time away from your
work, which would be a pity.
dont understand about cel 35mm /last chance; what are they normally shot
with? i fool around with animation some at home but have never tried to
produce anything for public viewing.
Anyway, bye for now, will be checking out CN next few week-ends!
Best,
Val
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Fran Krause
It seems that the old mechanisms that a filmmaker could use to get
things done are dissappearing and being replaced with digital stuff.
(Nothing against digital, it's just that the feeling of getting a tape
back is different than the feeling of getting a manhole-sized can of
film...) As we were trying to get our drawings xeroxed onto cel,
people were dismantling their equipment. The only xerographer we could
find wanted 45,000 bucks for our little 7:20 film. We ended up having
to rent a photocopier and hired local college folks (pals) to do it.
It's strange. When we first went into production last spring, CN
specified that they wanted a 35mm film print for archive, and when we
were finishing up in mid June and we told them it would take a few
weeks to get them the print and they said "we need a print?". I feel
like the next thing we do is going to have to be digital. The
mechanisms and lines of communication that used to be set up to
produce old fashioned film cartoons just aren't there anymore.
Val Adams
others.
wow, I had a sense things were changing but didn't realize it was going that
fast. Yes, tapes of anything are so ubiquitous one tends to dismiss them as
valueless. giggle, i appreciate the point about sheer heft, too! Wonder why
CN asked for 35mm in the first place, though, when there are so many options
nowdays? I dont know that tape is any more fragile than film, but dont think
it is any less so either, anything on a gel base is just so vulnerable to
ambient conditions. I am inclined to favor DVD for long term archive
storage; or even CD-ROM if you aren't quite sure the cartoons are classics
yet. That is cheap enough to create your archive copy at home, in a manner
of speaking. Of course I like digital because from an amateur viewpoint
there are applications that compensate for all the skills I dont have, (not
to mention multitudinous 'tweeners' to do the grunt work !) The apps have
their own inherent learning curve, but it just seems easier somehow. It will
be interesting to see if someone who already knows how
production-for-publication goes has fewer problems picking up the new
techniques or just different ones.
Good luck!
Val
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