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Andrew
Nov 3, 2012, 1:43:52 AM11/3/12
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Please feel free to comment on Disney's latest animated feature (as
well as the short Paperman) on this thread.
Andrew Kieswetter
well as the short Paperman) on this thread.
Andrew Kieswetter
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Nov 3, 2012, 2:25:24 AM11/3/12
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In article <09ebfc48-1196-49b2...@g7g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
"The Paperman" was a very nice, sentimental little short. Very
muted colors, possibly entirely black & white except for a lipstick-kiss
on a sheet of paper. Basically two people meet-cute on a commuter
train platform in a 1930s or 1940s big city, get on separate trains
and then the guy spends the rest of the short trying to find the
girl again, helped out by the paperwork which is his bane at a
stifling office (think the one Mr. Incredible worked at). The
characters are very stylized (big hawk nose on the guy, wide mouth
on the girl) but not cartoony and actually very appealing. Some
nice touches like the mother who moves her kid away from the guy
when he's plastered with sheets of paper on the they have chivvied
him onto. The whole thing put me in the mid of the Rhapsody in Blue
segment of Fantasia 2000 in a way, and obviously the whole enterprise
is informed by Pixar's great string of pre-feature shorts. Good stuff.
Wreck It Ralph is good, but did not, I think, quite live up to the trailers
which were excellent. The basic story is that Ralph is a "bad guy"
character in a game resembling "Donkey Kong" and years to earn some
respect, especially when he is not invited the game's 30th anniversary
party. A chance encounter at a bar game (after the arcade closes for the
night, characters can move from game to game to socialize) leads him
to believe he can win a medal (as the Mario-like character does) easily
in a nearby first-person shooter and that this will put him on a social
level equivalent to his game's hero. Of course it's not that easy,
and he ends of infecting a young girls' candyland+speed-racer game
with the menace from the shooter game and must put things to rights
and return to his own game before it is marked as broken.
There are some very clever bits, and a great character in a
busty-appeal-to-teen-males but tough-as-nails team leader from the shooter
game, but some bits are too cookie cutter, especially the obligatory
"I had faith in you and you betrayed me" scene. Time seemed a bit
skewed as well. It was not well established that time runs slower
when the arcade is closed, if that was indeede what happened -- at any rate,
it seemed like too much time went by in the candyland game for it still
to be the same night at the arcade. I guess my biggest problem is that
Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a menace he created. I think *that*
needed a bit of better plotting. A fun movie, but not a great one.
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
muted colors, possibly entirely black & white except for a lipstick-kiss
on a sheet of paper. Basically two people meet-cute on a commuter
train platform in a 1930s or 1940s big city, get on separate trains
and then the guy spends the rest of the short trying to find the
girl again, helped out by the paperwork which is his bane at a
stifling office (think the one Mr. Incredible worked at). The
characters are very stylized (big hawk nose on the guy, wide mouth
on the girl) but not cartoony and actually very appealing. Some
nice touches like the mother who moves her kid away from the guy
when he's plastered with sheets of paper on the they have chivvied
him onto. The whole thing put me in the mid of the Rhapsody in Blue
segment of Fantasia 2000 in a way, and obviously the whole enterprise
is informed by Pixar's great string of pre-feature shorts. Good stuff.
Wreck It Ralph is good, but did not, I think, quite live up to the trailers
which were excellent. The basic story is that Ralph is a "bad guy"
character in a game resembling "Donkey Kong" and years to earn some
respect, especially when he is not invited the game's 30th anniversary
party. A chance encounter at a bar game (after the arcade closes for the
night, characters can move from game to game to socialize) leads him
to believe he can win a medal (as the Mario-like character does) easily
in a nearby first-person shooter and that this will put him on a social
level equivalent to his game's hero. Of course it's not that easy,
and he ends of infecting a young girls' candyland+speed-racer game
with the menace from the shooter game and must put things to rights
and return to his own game before it is marked as broken.
There are some very clever bits, and a great character in a
busty-appeal-to-teen-males but tough-as-nails team leader from the shooter
game, but some bits are too cookie cutter, especially the obligatory
"I had faith in you and you betrayed me" scene. Time seemed a bit
skewed as well. It was not well established that time runs slower
when the arcade is closed, if that was indeede what happened -- at any rate,
it seemed like too much time went by in the candyland game for it still
to be the same night at the arcade. I guess my biggest problem is that
Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a menace he created. I think *that*
needed a bit of better plotting. A fun movie, but not a great one.
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columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Invid Fan
Nov 3, 2012, 10:37:11 PM11/3/12
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In article <afjrmk...@mid.individual.net>, Ted Nolan <tednolan>
climb the beanstalk and let the Giant follow him down.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
<t...@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
> I guess my biggest problem is that
> Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a menace he created. I think *that*
> needed a bit of better plotting. A fun movie, but not a great one.
Well, it's not that uncommon. Jack can't kill the giant if he doesn't
> I guess my biggest problem is that
> Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a menace he created. I think *that*
> needed a bit of better plotting. A fun movie, but not a great one.
climb the beanstalk and let the Giant follow him down.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
Dave Van Domelen
Nov 3, 2012, 11:45:06 PM11/3/12
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In article <afjrmk...@mid.individual.net>,
down to it, they were just a plot complication, and Ralph's bumbling revealed
a much more insidious menace that would never have been defeated without his
unleashing of the cybugs. If Ralph had gotten his medal without messing up
and releasing the bugs, his life might've improved a bit, but the other
menace would have probably managed to finish the job in his own game.
Dave Van Domelen, found it was a little TOO tightly plotted, mind
you...sometimes a loose end or two helps things feel more organic.
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>I guess my biggest problem is that Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a
>menace he created.
Not...exactly. Yes, the cybugs were Ralph's fault, but when you get
>I guess my biggest problem is that Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a
>menace he created.
down to it, they were just a plot complication, and Ralph's bumbling revealed
a much more insidious menace that would never have been defeated without his
unleashing of the cybugs. If Ralph had gotten his medal without messing up
and releasing the bugs, his life might've improved a bit, but the other
menace would have probably managed to finish the job in his own game.
Dave Van Domelen, found it was a little TOO tightly plotted, mind
you...sometimes a loose end or two helps things feel more organic.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Nov 4, 2012, 1:53:48 AM11/4/12
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In article <k74oc2$jdr$1...@usenet.stanford.edu>,
What King Candy was doing was bad, but as far as I can tell, not a menace
to his game(*). I'm not even sure it was definitely established that he
would have erased Venelope. The cybugs on the other hand could have
crashed the whole arcade.
I just had the feeling about them that I had from the first Fantastic Four
movie where they first get to deploy their "heroism" correcting a problem
that would not have existed without them. (The whole "bridge" mess).
(*)Stipulating that he had in fact previously gotten two games junked, so
perhaps he should not get any benifit of doubt.
to his game(*). I'm not even sure it was definitely established that he
would have erased Venelope. The cybugs on the other hand could have
crashed the whole arcade.
I just had the feeling about them that I had from the first Fantastic Four
movie where they first get to deploy their "heroism" correcting a problem
that would not have existed without them. (The whole "bridge" mess).
(*)Stipulating that he had in fact previously gotten two games junked, so
perhaps he should not get any benifit of doubt.
Paul S. Person
Nov 4, 2012, 12:20:55 PM11/4/12
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On 4 Nov 2012 05:53:48 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
wrote:
>In article <k74oc2$jdr$1...@usenet.stanford.edu>,
>Dave Van Domelen <dva...@eyrie.org> wrote:
>>In article <afjrmk...@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>I guess my biggest problem is that Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a
>>>menace he created.
>>
>> Not...exactly. Yes, the cybugs were Ralph's fault, but when you get
>>down to it, they were just a plot complication, and Ralph's bumbling revealed
>>a much more insidious menace that would never have been defeated without his
>>unleashing of the cybugs. If Ralph had gotten his medal without messing up
>>and releasing the bugs, his life might've improved a bit, but the other
>>menace would have probably managed to finish the job in his own game.
>>
>> Dave Van Domelen, found it was a little TOO tightly plotted, mind
>>you...sometimes a loose end or two helps things feel more organic.
>
>What King Candy was doing was bad, but as far as I can tell, not a menace
>to his game(*). I'm not even sure it was definitely established that he
>would have erased Venelope. The cybugs on the other hand could have
>crashed the whole arcade.
>
>I just had the feeling about them that I had from the first Fantastic Four
>movie where they first get to deploy their "heroism" correcting a problem
>that would not have existed without them. (The whole "bridge" mess).
I once read a post (article?) pointing out that, by the 50's, most
Batman villains were guilty of only one crime -- trying to discover
Batman's secret identity. That is a problem that existed only because
Batman chose to keep his identity secret.
>
>(*)Stipulating that he had in fact previously gotten two games junked, so
>perhaps he should not get any benifit of doubt.
--
"Nature must be explained in
her own terms through
the experience of our senses."
wrote:
>In article <k74oc2$jdr$1...@usenet.stanford.edu>,
>Dave Van Domelen <dva...@eyrie.org> wrote:
>>In article <afjrmk...@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>I guess my biggest problem is that Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a
>>>menace he created.
>>
>> Not...exactly. Yes, the cybugs were Ralph's fault, but when you get
>>down to it, they were just a plot complication, and Ralph's bumbling revealed
>>a much more insidious menace that would never have been defeated without his
>>unleashing of the cybugs. If Ralph had gotten his medal without messing up
>>and releasing the bugs, his life might've improved a bit, but the other
>>menace would have probably managed to finish the job in his own game.
>>
>> Dave Van Domelen, found it was a little TOO tightly plotted, mind
>>you...sometimes a loose end or two helps things feel more organic.
>
>What King Candy was doing was bad, but as far as I can tell, not a menace
>to his game(*). I'm not even sure it was definitely established that he
>would have erased Venelope. The cybugs on the other hand could have
>crashed the whole arcade.
>
>I just had the feeling about them that I had from the first Fantastic Four
>movie where they first get to deploy their "heroism" correcting a problem
>that would not have existed without them. (The whole "bridge" mess).
Batman villains were guilty of only one crime -- trying to discover
Batman's secret identity. That is a problem that existed only because
Batman chose to keep his identity secret.
>
>(*)Stipulating that he had in fact previously gotten two games junked, so
>perhaps he should not get any benifit of doubt.
--
her own terms through
the experience of our senses."
~consul
Dec 6, 2012, 9:37:01 PM12/6/12
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'tis on this 11/4/2012 1:53 AM, wrote Ted Nolan <tednolan> thus to say:
> Dave Van Domelen <dva...@eyrie.org> wrote:
>> In article <afjrmk...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> I guess my biggest problem is that Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a
>>> menace he created.
>> Not...exactly. Yes, the cybugs were Ralph's fault, but when you get
>> down to it, they were just a plot complication, and Ralph's bumbling revealed
>> a much more insidious menace that would never have been defeated without his
>> unleashing of the cybugs. If Ralph had gotten his medal without messing up
>> and releasing the bugs, his life might've improved a bit, but the other
>> menace would have probably managed to finish the job in his own game.
> Dave Van Domelen <dva...@eyrie.org> wrote:
>> In article <afjrmk...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> I guess my biggest problem is that Ralph got to be a hero by fighting a
>>> menace he created.
>> Not...exactly. Yes, the cybugs were Ralph's fault, but when you get
>> down to it, they were just a plot complication, and Ralph's bumbling revealed
>> a much more insidious menace that would never have been defeated without his
>> unleashing of the cybugs. If Ralph had gotten his medal without messing up
>> and releasing the bugs, his life might've improved a bit, but the other
>> menace would have probably managed to finish the job in his own game.
> What King Candy was doing was bad, but as far as I can tell, not a menace
> to his game(*). I'm not even sure it was definitely established that he
> would have erased Venelope. The cybugs on the other hand could have
> crashed the whole arcade.
Ho took all the memories of his folks, quite probable that he rigged that races, and rigged the attitudes of the racers and everyone elese against the Glitch. And based on his dialogue during his maniacal rant, I fett that while he was content for now to take over this game, he was going to be gunning "for that rodent" aka Sonic, soon.
> to his game(*). I'm not even sure it was definitely established that he
> would have erased Venelope. The cybugs on the other hand could have
> crashed the whole arcade.
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
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