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Sharon Engstrom

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Feb 3, 2001, 1:29:30 PM2/3/01
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I have purchased two lots of java moss, LFS and AZ Aquatic gardens. Both
sources were brown on arrival, and still are. More recent shipment into the
LFS was brown on arrival and still is, with a tiny hint of green, as is some of
mine. Time frame is weeks to months.

I figured mine was dead until I tried to pull it off the bog log it was stapled
to. Its alive but not going green. The short book on this plant is it can
handle any water conditions but prefers subdued lighting. I have really hard
water, a CO2 system, pH down to 7.6 and medium to strong lighting. Nitrates
adequate and I'm using Flourish and Flourish Iron. What am I missing (or
overdone)?

TIA,
Sharon L. Engstrom

Nestor 10

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Feb 3, 2001, 2:54:48 PM2/3/01
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Sharon Engstrom wrote in message
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> I have purchased two lots of java moss, LFS and AZ Aquatic
> gardens. Both sources were brown on arrival, and still are...

> I figured mine was dead until I tried to pull it off the bog log
> it was stapled to. Its alive but not going green...

Are you sure you have Java Moss, and not Christmas Moss (fontinella)?

> The short book on this plant is it can handle any water

> conditions but prefers subdued lighting...

I kept JM in a bucket, covered with other plant trimmings, sitting in a room
with only peripheral lighting into the bucket, for up to two months once.
The JM had tripled in size, and was still a strong, dark green...

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Lobos

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Feb 3, 2001, 5:33:29 PM2/3/01
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Sharon,

I had the same experience. I bought some JM that was green/brownish over time in
my tank (>1 month) it turned brown, so I removed as much of it as I could. I just
noticed yesterday (about 2 months since I removed the JM) that there is a small
patch of JM growing in the back of my tank and it is dark green. I too have hard
water (GH=170 ppm), CO2 injection (~15 ppm) and good lighting (3.2W/gal), I just
think it takes time for JM to reacclimate to new water conditions.

Lobos

Dwight

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Feb 4, 2001, 6:23:05 AM2/4/01
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On 03 Feb 2001 18:29:30 GMT, sle...@aol.comnojunk (Sharon Engstrom)
wrote:

IMHO, its D.O.A. If its not green, its dead. Sometimes there are a
few brown spot in any individual order. However, if nearly all the
sample is brown, you may salvage a few tiny strands but for all
practical purposes its dead.


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Dwight

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Feb 4, 2001, 6:23:11 AM2/4/01
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>Are you sure you have Java Moss, and not Christmas Moss (fontinella)?

Hang on there Nestor, (Fontinalis antipyretica) is Willow Moss.
Christmas moss is a very unusual var. of Java Moss (Vesicularia
dubyana). Till now, there has been no true positive scientific ID of
this plant.

The only reason Christmas moss is linked to Javamoss is that there is
some similarity in how they look. Christmas moss looks very
different though. It branches profusely like a Christmas tree and is
lighter in colour. It also grows more slowly and seems to require
more light than Java Moss (Vesicularia dubyana).

Once in a while, Christmas moss is sold as Javamoss b/c not many
sellers know there is more stuff coming from East Asia than
Vesicularia dubyana & Fontinalis antipyretica.

Nestor 10

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Feb 4, 2001, 2:23:48 PM2/4/01
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Dwight wrote in message news:3a7d3b9d....@news.mindspring.com...

>
> >Are you sure you have Java Moss, and not Christmas Moss (fontinella)?
>
> Hang on there Nestor, (Fontinalis antipyretica) is Willow Moss.
> Christmas moss is a very unusual var. of Java Moss (Vesicularia
> dubyana). Till now, there has been no true positive scientific ID of
> this plant.

You are, of course, correct.

Wanted to make a pun on _Christmas_ Moss, as I *still* see the odd Christmas
_Tree_ still being discarded well into January. Weak pun, I admit.

Had Willow Moss on the brain, though, as we're still working to get some
attached to a log in one of the Aquarium's display tanks. The admin staff
figures the building's full of enough Java Moss now...

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Gordon James

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Feb 4, 2001, 9:10:31 PM2/4/01
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my java moss is dark green (forest green?)

it may be that you have dark water from tannins leeching out of your
bogwood.

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Sharon Engstrom

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Feb 5, 2001, 1:37:30 AM2/5/01
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Re: water color - vs. possibly dead java moss. The water doesn't get very dark
as I do a lot of water changes and with bright lights the colors are pretty
clear. Some of the moss keeps me dangling as there's a faint glimmer of green
- also at the lfs. A new batch from a third supplier, is due in a couple days.
Perhaps this stuff doesn't handle shipment very well. Whether to me directly or
to the lfs, it has to come some distance to the NorthWoods. Thanks for all the
suggestions.
Sharon L. Engstrom

Arwen Sutton and Nicholas Murray

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Feb 5, 2001, 6:47:41 AM2/5/01
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I really hate this plant - I can't get it out of my tank. Why are you people all
working so hard to get hold of it? It piggy-backed into my tank on some chain
swords. The BBA and hair algae that came with the same plants were cinches to
control compared with this little bastard...

Nick.


Nomad in Starkhafn

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Feb 5, 2001, 1:10:33 PM2/5/01
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Well, start selling bunches of it online and you'll be able to afford
more tanks in no time. :-) I use it for my livebearer birthing tanks.

Nomad/Michael
Las Vegas, NV
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Dave T

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Feb 16, 2001, 10:15:49 PM2/16/01
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Where might I find a picture of it (java moss)?


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Sharon Engstrom

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Feb 16, 2001, 11:13:45 PM2/16/01
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Java moss pictures can be found
http://homeaquarium.com/, which actually sells and delivered GREEN Java Moss.
They post it in ziplock bags with some water in it. Other sources just wrapped
it in wet newspaper. http://www.tropica.dk/ also will have a picture of it.
The latin is Vesicularia dubyana. I have found that the clumps I've put in
lower light areas are staying greener than those placed in higher lighting.
Sharon L. Engstrom

Soren 'Disky' Reinke

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Feb 19, 2001, 4:05:33 AM2/19/01
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> Where might I find a picture of it (java moss)?
http://www.disky-design.dk/fish/plants/microsorum-pteropus.html

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