goldfish-d Digest V97 #488
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goldfish-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 488
Today's Topics:
Re: fisherman's emperor [ Robert Gray <rg...@tommy.chesapeake ]
Re: goldfish-d Digest V97 #487 [ bas...@robots.ox.ac.uk (Benedicte B ]
Re: Growth Rate of Duckweed [ ste...@pacifier.com (Steve Knight) ]
Newbie with a problem [ Jim Flynn <jwf...@wsicorp.com> ]
Hand carrying gf on internatl flts W [ Robert Gray <gr...@utopia.nrl.navy.m ]
Going to Hong Kong [ t r i l l i u m <tbla...@nwu.edu> ]
Newbie with a problem [ t r i l l i u m <tbla...@nwu.edu> ]
suds & funny color [ "Rae Leah Brinson" <brinson@casconn ]
Popeye is back, Brutis is mad! [ "Wesley Hellegers" <felix-stein@wor ]
Re: Popeye is back, Brutis is mad! [ BErne...@aol.com ]
Re: Goldfish Articles [ "Tom Ripley" <rip...@primenet.com> ]
Re: Newbie with a problem [ "Wesley Hellegers" <felix-stein@wor ]
suds & funny color -Reply [ John Och <John...@westgroup.com> ]
Popeye is back, Brutis is mad! [ t r i l l i u m <tbla...@nwu.edu> ]
Re: duckweed [ "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.e ]
Re: Growth Rate of Duckweed [ "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.e ]
Re: Goldfish Articles [ "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.e ]
Re: Goldfish Articles [ "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.e ]
E-MAIL ADDRESS [ "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.e ]
Re: Popeye is back, Brutis is mad! [ "Wesley Hellegers" <felix-stein@wor ]
Re: Planting useing clay pots [ Al Paglieri <pagl...@interlog.com> ]
Re: Frozen fish [ "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.e ]
Re: Popeye is back, Brutis is mad! [ SnoT...@aol.com ]
Bluecsale oranda in pond? [ "TJ Casler" <reallybigfrog@hotmail. ]
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 06:10:10 -0400
From: Robert Gray <rg...@tommy.chesapeake.net>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: fisherman's emperor
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Fisherman of the North () wrote:
> ...number was just a model # or a [performance spec]. It looks
> like I should get 2 - 1140s (I just looked it up 600 [gph]....
According to my '89 TFP catalog, Penguin model nos. are liter/hour.
Figures....
Bob Gray Naval Research Lab Washington DC gr...@utopia.nrl.navy.mil
Tanglewood Tales Huntingtown MD rg...@chesapeake.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:54:39 +0100
From: bas...@robots.ox.ac.uk (Benedicte Bascle)
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: goldfish-d Digest V97 #487
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>I'm heading to Hong Kong in a couple of months, and I'd like to bring
> back some Goldfish (actually a ranchu for my Bobo.. so he has a
> friend...).
> Anyways, does anyone know how I can do it? Do I have to fill out
> special forms while I'm still in Canada, or do I worry about it there?
Actually, do check with everybody (customs and air line). When I
inquired about bringing my gf back to France, all the air lines that
fly from London to Paris said that I couldn't travel with a gf in my
hand-luggage, "as this is not procedurial", whatever that means. The
helpful stewardess also warned me that they had confiscated a child's
gf one day, and that the child had had to leave without the fish, so
they're not joking. Apparently, they would accept the gf in a "sealed
container" (I quote) in the luggage compartment. I guess I'll take the
channel tunnel with my gf :-) Do check, better safe than sorry.
Benedicte
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:10:58 GMT
From: ste...@pacifier.com (Steve Knight)
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: Growth Rate of Duckweed
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On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:49:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
> So what's the growth rate of duckweed, is it anywhere near anacharis,
>or is it even faster? If I had a shallow bowl with a surface area of
>about 4 square feet, how much duckweed would I get a week? Or, if I had
>one square foot of duckweed, how long would it take to become four square
>feet of duckweed.
Well I have been growing it outside. IN the summer with lots of
miracle grow fertilizer in the water I can scoop out a handful
everyday and the plants keep up. Inside it is allot slower say a
handful a week.
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
--seen on bumper sticker
Doggie` on irc
ICQ UIN 1796787
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:17:13 -0400
From: Jim Flynn <jwf...@wsicorp.com>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Newbie with a problem
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Hi folks. Glad I found this list. Anyway, here's some background and a
question.
I have a 10 gallon tank with a Fluval 2 filter. It has been running for
two weeks. On the direction of the shop where we got the fish, I do a
25% water change each week. Up until yesterday, I had four goldfish in
it of unknown species. Two of the fish are silver with orange crowns,
and two are orange with silver crowns. All has been fine for the two
weeks we've had the tank until yesterday when one of the fish died.
According to my wife, it had gotten itself wedged in between the tank
and the filter. When she freed it, it swam weakly for a little while,
but later died. And then this morning, one of the other fish has this
long red thing sticking out of its rear end. It's almost as long as the
fish's body. What is this? Is this a sign of trouble? It certainly looks
it.
Also, do I need an air pump or not? The fish store didn't think so, but
I'm open to other opinions.
Thanks for the help.
--
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Jim Flynn jwf...@wsicorp.com 978-262-0614
WSI Corporation 900 Technology Park Dr Billerica MA, 01821
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:23:55 -0400
From: Robert Gray <gr...@utopia.nrl.navy.mil>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Cc: "Russell W. Taylor" <r...@juno.com>
Subject: Hand carrying gf on internatl flts Was: goldfish-d Digest V97
#487 ???really??? what does that tell me?
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Russ has done this. If he can find the time, maybe he'll give us the skinny.
Bob Gray Naval Research Lab Washington DC gr...@utopia.nrl.navy.mil
Tanglewood Tales Huntingtown MD rg...@chesapeake.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:36:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: t r i l l i u m <tbla...@nwu.edu>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Going to Hong Kong
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Hey Simon,
Russ T brought back fish from HK, but he checked it as luggage. He's sent
me what he carried on a little card, the scientific name of gf and the
tariff number that proclaims them duty free and domesticated pond fish.
(I'm thinking about bringing some back from Singapore, but it sounds like
they're even more $ than here!) You might want to call whatever office
handles import/export of animals in Canada and find out the rules about it,
that way you'll be better prepared than the customs officers.
>From what I've read, the most common mistake in transporting gf is to have
too little air and too much water in the bag. You're also supposed to not
feed them for a week before transport so they don't give off so much ammonia.
regards,
trillium
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:41:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: t r i l l i u m <tbla...@nwu.edu>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Newbie with a problem
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Hi Jim
It depends on the size of the fish, but in most cases, 4 fish in an uncycled
10 gallon tank is way too many fish! The recommendation is for 10 g of
water per goldfish, especially for us inexperienced types. They might be
dying from nitrite poisoning. Have you tested your water for ammonia and
nitrite levels? Has the tank cycled? Does the fluval 2 have a place for
biological filtration? Do you dechlorinate the water you use?
For that many fish in a 10 g, I would think you have to change the water
every day, not once a week.
I can't help with "the long red thing" sticking out of your fish, but
someone else will be able to.
regards,
trillium
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:46:44 -0700
From: "Rae Leah Brinson" <bri...@casconn.com>
To: goldfish <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: suds & funny color
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I set up a new tank over 3 weeks ago now. I have had many tanks but none
are doing what this one is. The color is funny almost a yellow green.
Could this be algae os some sort? And there is awhite suds on the top of
the water. The fish are eating fine, this does not seem to bother them
as it does me as I can not see them anymore. I did a 1/3 water change
last night. It did not help much.
Could some one please help me with this? Thanks again.
RaeL
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:45:08 -0400
From: "Wesley Hellegers" <felix...@worldnet.att.net>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Popeye is back, Brutis is mad!
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Just when thought my oranda's popeye was gone...Everything looked O.K. a
couple of days ago then I noticed his eye started swelling again. Back in
the bucket you go! I guess I am going to opt for a longer period on the
tetracycline flakes...previous treatment was four days...I guess I'll go
for seven this time. Been doing weekly water changes in the main tank,
keeping filters clean, testing water, changing bucket water daily, etc.
Anyone care to respond?
Wesley
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:05:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: BErne...@aol.com
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: Popeye is back, Brutis is mad!
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>tetracycline flakes...previous treatment was four days.
Wesley,
Antibiotics must be used for a full term of treatment. You may have made
matters worse by stopping when the situation looked better. (resistant
bacteria) Follow the directions on the package and do a full term treatment,
even if the condition improves, continue until the time is up.
Good luck,
Bruce
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:30:12 -0700
From: "Tom Ripley" <rip...@primenet.com>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: Goldfish Articles
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> Dear Phyllis... most of us are not writers and would not know where to
> start.
Some of us are.
>Other magazines find authors why not fish mags?
If you were an editor, where would you look for writers on a subject?
Places
where knowledgeable people on the subject gather, such as a goldfish list.
This
is a very good place to look. And he didn't insist that you write
something,
he merely suggested that if you are interested in seeing material on
goldfish
in a magazine such as TFH, your articles would be welcome.
It takes $$$ to
> put out a mag yes but look at all the advertising $$$ they get. No one
is
> going to tell me these mags are "starving" or about to go under.
No, of couse not. They have a "for profit" venture going and they do want
to
make money. It seems that the big spenders right now are the people who are
involved with reef equipment. If that isn't what you need, you don't have
to read the
ads. Just as with e-mail that is offensive you can hit the delete key. In
the
magazine, turn the page :-).
Where are
> they finding all the reef and sw authors?
They may have people volunteering. From an editor's standpoint, that's the
best (and easiest) way. Just look in the mailbox and there they are!
The way people are attacked on
> the lists and NG's I myself would be afraid to send an article for fear
of
> the same thing happening there.
The reaction time is slower. This is a print medium and the reactions will
be
in print, not flying through cyberspace at the click of a mouse button.
Buck up your courage, girl! You have loads of experience and knowledge.
I can write. Tell me what you'd like other goldfish people (or better yet,
people
who don't yet appreciate them for what they are or can be) to know. Tell it
to me. I'll write it. We'll submit it and get it in print. You want to talk
about a
high? Forget drugs, folks. Get your name in print attached to a quality
piece
of work. That's rightful and justifiable pride.
Phyllis
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:21:53 -0400
From: "Wesley Hellegers" <felix...@worldnet.att.net>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: Newbie with a problem
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Do have an ammonia test kit? If not I would get one. They are usually
cheaper than a fish. You have a lot of fish in that little tank. I have 5
in a 60 gallon. I doubt your tank is fully cycled yet. It is good you are
doing the frequent water changes. You might want to add an additional air
stone. Are your fish gasping...I know, it's kind of difficult to tell with
goldfish; as long as they are not sucking air from the surface you should
be o.k. Keep an eye on the ammonia.
welcome to the list.......this is the best one on the world wide wait
wesley
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:56:00 -0500
From: John Och <John...@westgroup.com>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: suds & funny color -Reply
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I set up a new tank over 3 weeks ago now. I have had many tanks but
none
are doing what this one is. The color is funny almost a yellow green.
Could this be algae os some sort? And there is awhite suds on the top
of
the water.
Usually foam or suds indicate excessive organic material in the
water. Changing the water helps some but there may be a lot of
organic material trapped in your filters. The yellow/green water
could be the start of an algae bloom. Some tanks cycle in 3 weeks
time and if you don't have any test kits, the appearance of green
algae on the glass is often a good indicator that your tank has
cycled. Your nose will also help you determine if the tank has
cycled. Generally speaking, water from a well cycled tank is almost
sweet smelling. Water from an uncycled tank smells fishy. Excessive
algae of course has its own smell as well. The fishes eyes and fins
and general demeaner will also tell you if the water has problems. I
must admit/confess that I don't own any test kits at all. I just
smell the water and observe the fish to determine if there is a
problem, and when in doubt, I just change the water.
John
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:29:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: t r i l l i u m <tbla...@nwu.edu>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Popeye is back, Brutis is mad!
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Wesley said
>>tetracycline flakes...previous treatment was four days.
Bruce said
>Antibiotics must be used for a full term of treatment. <snip>
As your friendly pharmacologist, I just want to second Bruce's advice. It's
really important for you, your fish, your tanks and future generations of
life on earth (no really!) to be very careful about what antibiotics you
choose to treat an infection with, and then complete a full term of
treatment. Irresponsible use of antibiotics over the years has lead to
several resistant strains evolving. (not accusing you, just informing)
Just because the large organism appears better (ie, your fish) doesn't mean
the smaller critters (ie the bacteria) are completely gone, just that the
fish (with help of antibiotics) is neck and neck with the bacteria in the
race to the finish, the finish being to 'live long and prosper'. I'm not as
familiar with fish pharm as human, but usually the recommended treatment for
antibiotics such as tc is one week, or in reoccuring cases, 14-21 days.
That might be too long and toxic for fish, so read the instructions on
feeding carefully.
best wishes for your finned one,
trillium
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 11:06:02 -0600
From: "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.edu>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: duckweed
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You may have to supplement the tank setting in the window depending on the
light quality coming in. It would be best if the window is a window with a
southern exposure and hopefully you don't have one of those modern glasses
in your window that blocks UV. If the duckweed starts looking pale you may
not only need more light, but keep an eye on your water temperature, it may
require a higher water temperature than your house can give the aquarium
sitting by the window. I plan to overwinter some Hyacinths and water
temperature beside light is also a biggy, so I will have a heater on tank
also.
Lots of luck.
Regards from Pawnee America.
Tom La Bron
LTA, Oklahoma State University
Office: nor...@okway.okstate.edu
Home: nor...@juno.com
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Subject: [gf] duckweed
Author: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu > at SMTP
Date: 10/1/97 9:08 PM
OK guys, I grabbed my husband and a flashlight and we ventured in the
dark down to the lake to retrieve duckweed before the 40* temps tonight
kill it off. Didn't bumpt into any racoons or fox, made it back safe.
Filled an extra 20 g.tank with water, and the duckweed is in
duckweed heaven. I'll wait until Mid November to feed it to my sweeties
(gf) so that no fish creeps are still alive in the water or weed.
Should be fun, it's sitting in the bay window with the same lighting as
the lake.
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:58:55 -0600
From: "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.edu>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: Growth Rate of Duckweed
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Carol,
In a number of countries the roaches are toasted and sprinkled with
sugar or dipped in chocolate. Frying them they tend to loose their
crunchiness and broiling tends to blacken the wings and gives them an
undesirable flavor.
Regards from Pawnee America.
Tom La Bron
LTA, Oklahoma State University
Office: nor...@okway.okstate.edu
Home: nor...@juno.com
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Subject: [gf] Re: Growth Rate of Duckweed
Author: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu > at SMTP
Date: 10/2/97 1:22 AM
Better tasting than roaches? Did you fry the roaches or broil them? Did
you try caca ah 'la Roache?
Carol at fish...@hotcc.com
"So many Goldfish...so little money!"
"~~~~><(((o>~~~~~><(((ô>~~~~"
ICQ # 2982961
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> From: Stephan Pak <oo...@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
> To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
>
>. Wow! More nutritious and better tasting than
> cockroaches, but reproduces just as fast!
> >
> On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Stephan Pak wrote:
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:50:39 -0600
From: "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.edu>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: Goldfish Articles
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Carol,
Saltwater in general and reef tending has gotten a real push these days
via technology and special things have really come down in price and so
there are a lot of people out there ready will and able to try this new
things and so the space is being taken up by salt/reef articles. You have
to remember that Goldfish and Siamese Fighting Fish are the two oldest
hobby species known and most people are pretty ho, hum about goldfish.
Remember the thread a few months ago about why people think goldfish are
just junk fish, it is because we do not have any high profile advocates to
get people's attentions.
In Pawnee, water gardens are getting a lot of interest and so are the
animals that go in them. I hope to spike people's interest in Ornamental
Goldfish, because a lot of people around here look at KOI as a fancy carp,
barbs and all. We are starting a Water Garden Club and hopefully I can get
people interested in the idea of goldfish for their ponds.
Regards from Pawnee America.
Tom La Bron
LTA, Oklahoma State University
Office: nor...@okway.okstate.edu
Home: nor...@juno.com
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Subject: [gf] Re: Goldfish Articles
Author: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu > at SMTP
Date: 10/2/97 1:32 AM
Dear Phyllis... most of us are not writers and would not know where to
start. Other magazines find authors why not fish mags? It takes $$$ to put
out a mag yes but look at all the advertising $$$ they get. No one is going
to tell me these mags are "starving" or about to go under. Where are they
finding all the reef and sw authors? The way people are attacked on the
lists and NG's I myself would be afraid to send an article for fear of the
same thing happening there. Just seems strange that only the 15% of sw/reef
people get all the ads and articles and the other 85% are "just-mentions".
We the fw people are supporting those mags too and deserve more stuff of
interest to us. Thats only MY opinion.
Carol at fish...@hotcc.com
"So many Goldfish...so little money!"
"~~~~><(((o>~~~~~><(((ô>~~~~"
ICQ # 2982961
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> From: Tom Ripley <rip...@primenet.com>
> To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
>
> It seems to me that we were offered a pretty good opportunity to put our
> expertise in print....where our mouths are now. It takes $$$ to publish a
> magazine, regardless of whether they address our particular interests.
> We can have LONG and full bodied goldfish articles if we want to submit
> them. Or we can complain. Just my opinion of course.
> Phyllis
> >
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:55:36 -0600
From: "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.edu>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: Goldfish Articles
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Phyllis,
Your are really right for you get paid by the word so the longer the
better and its even better when you can use your own photos to illustrate
for that is a separate payment in addition to your words.
Regards from Pawnee America.
Tom La Bron
LTA, Oklahoma State University
Office: nor...@okway.okstate.edu
Home: nor...@juno.com
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Subject: [gf] Re: Goldfish Articles
Author: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu > at SMTP
Date: 10/1/97 11:59 PM
It seems to me that we were offered a pretty good opportunity to put our
expertise in print....where our mouths are now. It takes $$$ to publish a
magazine, regardless of whether they address our particular interests.
We can have LONG and full bodied goldfish articles if we want to submit
them. Or we can complain. Just my opinion of course.
Phyllis
>
> Also have you ever noticed how LONG and full bodied the reef/sw articles
> are? By comparison to the short and anemic fw articles. This goes for
> all the fish mags. I feel they're pandering to the $$$ crowd. Just my
> opinion of course.
>
> Carol
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 14:01:42 -0600
From: "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.edu>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
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Thanks to all that sent me David's address.
Regards from Pawnee America.
Tom La Bron
LTA, Oklahoma State University
Office: nor...@okway.okstate.edu
Home: nor...@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:32:52 -0400
From: "Wesley Hellegers" <felix...@worldnet.att.net>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: Popeye is back, Brutis is mad!
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I know...I screwed up...they recommend 7-10 days treatment....
I heard somewhere that you should not medicate a fish in a bucket for
longer than 3 days but that is using rid ick right?
Do you think tetracycline leeches from the flakes forming a topical
treatment in the water as well?
wesley
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:42:59 -0400
From: Al Paglieri <pagl...@interlog.com>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Cc: asel...@cs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: Planting useing clay pots
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Sounds great! How long have you been doing this and with wich plants have
you had the most success?
I've also found that the clay pots idea works well. I just grab a handful
>>>of gravel - pre-vaccuum when it still has plenty of fish poop in it. I tend
>>>to pull a large root (if there is one) through the hole in the bottom of
>>>the pot (if there is one) and then fill with gravel.
Al Paglieri
Toronto, Ontario
CANADA
43"39'N 79"23'W
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 16:38:22 -0600
From: "Tom LaBron"<nor...@okway.okstate.edu>
To: <gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: Frozen fish
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Golly Gee,
Has no one ever seen the pictures of a milk bottle on a outside step
when they used to deliver milk to your door and it was frozen and lift the
milk cap out of the bottle and there is about a 4 to 6 inch column of milk
coming out of the bottle. It used to happen all the time.
Regards from Pawnee America.
Tom La Bron
LTA, Oklahoma State University
Office: nor...@okway.okstate.edu
Home: nor...@juno.com
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Subject: [gf] Re: Frozen fish
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Date: 10/1/97 11:40 AM
Joan (Jmp6...@aol.com) ponders:
> ...if the top [of the fish bowl] were open,
> wouldn't the ice just expand upward?
Maybe...if the bowl were shaped like an inverted cone and lined with
teflon. Ice will form a rim --freezing to the glass-- and then bridge over
the surface. While it can bend and flow a little, don't count on that
helping unless you carefully take the heat out one calorie at a time over
hundreds of hours. As the ice gets thicker and expands laterally it
stresses the bowl circumferentially. If that ain't enough, the ice expands
down into the remaining water, inducing large hydrostatic forces. Then if
the ice is thick enough that the force required to make the ice flow is
less than that required to crack the glass,....CRRAAAACK!
On the other hand, Virginia, almost anything is possible. ;-)
Bob Gray Naval Research Lab Washington DC gr...@utopia.nrl.navy.mil
Tanglewood Tales Huntingtown MD rg...@chesapeake.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:59:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: SnoT...@aol.com
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: Popeye is back, Brutis is mad!
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When I medicate fish with antibiotics I generally run at least 10, and
usually 14-21 days--the same span as humans should be taking their meds for.
I've noticed no ill results.
But I must say that I prepare my own medicated foods and don't often throw
meds into the water where they *could* result in harm to your fishes gills if
used for extended periods of time. Honestly I feel (and I'll bet Trillium
backs this up) that it's better to get the antibiotic INTO your fish rather
than letting your fish swim in it.
When in doubt there are fish pharmacology books out there that will tell you
the recommended doseage and duration for each med for fish. I own one, and I
think it was a wise investment of $20-25.
Susan
Trillium writes....In a message dated 10/2/97 6:53:
<< I'm not as familiar with fish pharm as human, but usually the recommended
treatment for antibiotics such as tc is one week, or in reoccuring cases,
14-21 days. That might be too long and toxic for fish, so read the
instructions on
feeding carefully.>>
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:13:16 PDT
From: "TJ Casler" <really...@hotmail.com>
To: gold...@once-ler.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Bluecsale oranda in pond?
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I want to add a bluescale oranda to my pond when spring comes around,
does anybody forsee any problems? Are orandas hardy enough to go through
winter in Oregon?
Thanks,
TJ
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