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Becky

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Sep 5, 2000, 2:35:41 AM9/5/00
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What is the ideal PH level that both Moors and goldfish should live in?

I have just got a Black Moor. When nobody is around he tends to sit at the
bottom where as when there is some company he starts to swim around. Is
this their nature?

Thanks

Bec


Freda

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Sep 5, 2000, 5:39:26 PM9/5/00
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My Black Moor is a sleepy old so-and-so, and sometimes I even have to wake
him up at food time to make sure he gets his share. He will sit on the
bottom,
or paddle in open water, while his special party-piece is to sleep
upsidedown, wedged under a plant (this is his deliberate choice, not a
swimbladder defect). He is a happy, healthy fish - just dozy.

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dr....@megapathdsl.net

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Sep 8, 2000, 10:13:58 AM9/8/00
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unless the fish is very large or has very large wen, fish should be moving
around looking for food all the time. If they arent there is somethign
wrong with the water. what are your water parameters, you fishkeeping
practices?
Solo

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Freda

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Sep 8, 2000, 3:24:53 PM9/8/00
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Sorry, well I'm not really sorry, but you are wrong!

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Maagic

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Sep 9, 2000, 9:05:22 PM9/9/00
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Care to back that BS up with some facts?

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Freda

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Sep 10, 2000, 4:55:16 AM9/10/00
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> Care to back that BS up with some facts?

BS?

As I said in my post, one of my fish is sleeper than the rest, but he eats
well, makes babies, and generally has a sunny disposition (when he is
awake). My other fish, in the same tank, are also happy and healthy. As I
write, all are searching through the gravel for food, and one is digging a
hole, a bit like a dog on a sandy beach.
I change 20% of the water and hoover the gravel every 10 days and clean half
the filter, on average, every couple of weeks - as required. My water
quality is perfect.

I have had my fish three years now. They were tiny, little things when I got
them, and now they are all about the size of a fist. I have no flicking,
gasping, ich, fungus or any other nasties. In three years I have not lost a
fish.

Can fish not have temperament and preferences to their life style? One of
mine is on the go *all* the time, while another one has a preference towards
sleep - a bit like some humans.

What other *prove* would you like? Unfortunately, while this is a very good
news group, some contributers like to tell us *how it is* rather than just
offer help and advice.


Maagic

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Sep 10, 2000, 11:32:07 AM9/10/00
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I just thought it would be better to offer some "proof" (not "prove")
instead of just telling someone (who DOES know what he's talking about)
that "you're WRONG".

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Freda

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Sep 10, 2000, 12:14:37 PM9/10/00
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Freda

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Sep 10, 2000, 12:49:32 PM9/10/00
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"Maagic" <ma...@cybrtyme.com> wrote in message
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> instead of just telling someone (who DOES know what he's talking about)
> that "you're WRONG".

I'm usually OK at spelling, but I changed the tense of the sentence just
before I posted and missed a word - sorry - but I think that you could
understand it. Anyway....

To state *categorically* that a fish who is not buzzing around all the time
*must* be living in dodgy water *is* wrong. It might be the case, but then
it might not. My experience with a similar fish suggests that it might not,
therefore the statement I was replying to was wrong.

Fish are living creatures and what is correct for one, might not be suitable
for another. Maybe I should share in a dose of humility, but I was just
concerned that someone might get misled. Mis-information can lead to the
adding of unnecessary potions and over-large water changes, which in-turn
might result in the stressing and death of a fish - when the fish was
perfectly fine all the time.

I promise to be less terse in future!

PS. sorry about the previous, accidental post. My keyboard skill seem to
have gone the same way as my spelling today!


dr....@megapathdsl.net

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Sep 12, 2000, 9:39:01 AM9/12/00
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You are right, it shoulda said:

Unless the fish is very large, has very large wen or some other physical
disability like hellishly long fins, fish should be moving around looking
for food all the time. If they arent there is either something wrong with
the fish or wrong with the water. If other fish are fine, then it is the
fish. The Goldfish Guru told me to always keep an eye on any fish that
isnt "busy". Solo

Homer

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Sep 12, 2000, 11:29:54 PM9/12/00
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Your right on with that!!!!. Sometimes I wonder if a couple of these folks
don't have Gills and slime coat! Like you say, I get a lot of really good
info here, but the Fishy-er than thou attitude is rather annoying.

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Anna Schmidt

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Sep 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/13/00
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hello,

I have a fish with sort-of a peculiar personality. Saki is a white oranda
living in my 42 gallon with 2 others. He's slower to get up in the morning
and tends to continue resting for about an hour after the light comes on.
After that he gets himself together and busies himself about the aquarium
looking for food and acts normal. After he eats he gets a burst of energy
and turns kooky... he acts frightened, darts around and wiggles a lot. It's
really so strange. It only lasts about an hour. I usually feed them Hikari
Oranda gold that's been soaked in water. I supplement their diet with
cutworms from my garden and blanched frozen peas. I hope there's nothing
wrong with him. My water has been perfect in this tank since I updated my
filter a couple of months back (pH 7.5, O ammo, O nitrite). The temp is
monitored by a heater and is generally stable around 75 F. I've been hoping
that it's just his personality.

Freda

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Sep 15, 2000, 8:48:38 PM9/15/00
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"Anna Schmidt" <asc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Relevent or not - I don't know - but could 75F be a little warm? I didn't
realise that anyone heated goldfish tanks, but that is probably because we
don't need to in the UK.
My room is currently around 20C, which is about 68F (I think) and it quite a
lot warmer than it can be, and it will drop to below 15C, which is less than
60F as we go through Autumn to Winter.
Do other people keep their goldfish in warm water tanks?


Dreashoe

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Sep 16, 2000, 2:56:48 AM9/16/00
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I keep my goldfish in tanks of 76-78 degrees F. Actually, I've read that in
China, where they breed prizewinning goldfish, they keep goldfish tanks at
optimum temperature of 80 degrees, and claim that this is the temperature at
which goldfish reach the most rapid growth. As to whether this is true or not,
I don't know. However, goldfish do thrive in temperature anywhere from 65-80 F,
as long as it is relatively stable. Comets prefer cooler temperatures while
fancier goldfish do better in slightly warmer temperatures, in the seventies.

Andrea H.
http://www.stas.net/fishcare

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Freda

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Sep 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/16/00
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"Dreashoe" <drea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I keep my goldfish in tanks of 76-78 degrees F. Actually, I've read that
in
> China, where they breed prizewinning goldfish, they keep goldfish tanks at
> optimum temperature of 80 degrees, and claim that this is the temperature
at
> which goldfish reach the most rapid growth. As to whether this is true or
not,
> I don't know. However, goldfish do thrive in temperature anywhere from
65-80 F,
> as long as it is relatively stable. Comets prefer cooler temperatures
while
> fancier goldfish do better in slightly warmer temperatures, in the
seventies.
>
> Andrea H.
> http://www.stas.net/fishcare
>

Thanks for the info. When we have had really hot Summers I have worried that
the fishes' water might get to warm - unnecessarily it seems.

dr....@megapathdsl.net

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Sep 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/17/00
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Yup. here is what one breeder says:
http://puregold.aquaria.net/care/care1.htm#HEATERS

people think that "coldwater fish" means they thrive in cold water. this
is true for trout, it is not true for Goldfish which thrive at much higher
temps. Solo

drea...@aol.com (Dreashoe) wrote:
>I keep my goldfish in tanks of 76-78 degrees F. Actually, I've read that in
>China, where they breed prizewinning goldfish, they keep goldfish tanks at
>optimum temperature of 80 degrees, and claim that this is the temperature at
>which goldfish reach the most rapid growth. As to whether this is true or not,
>I don't know.

dr....@megapathdsl.net

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Sep 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/17/00
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they can do fine at higher temps AS LONG AS THERE IS SUPPLEMENTAL AERATION.
air pumps make it possible in tanks. they want more food up to 87 or so,
then over 90 they most likely wont eat.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/care/care2.htm#temps and feeding in pond
Solo

"Freda" <ju...@junk.co.uk> wrote:
>Thanks for the info. When we have had really hot Summers I have worried that
>the fishes' water might get to warm - unnecessarily it seems.
>

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