Mixing Frontosa and T. Duboisi
greg.o...@uchsc.edu
Any comments on whether mixing C. Frontosa and T. Duboisi would
result in disaster or not?
Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
Thanks in advance for any advice/comments.
johnny
In article <59etlq$q...@tali.UCHSC.edu>, greg.o...@uchsc.edu
writes...
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johnny
Nvi...@pacbell.net
graphic designer in training
san jose state university
Johan
greg.o...@uchsc.edu wrote:
>
> Any comments on whether mixing C. Frontosa and T. Duboisi would
> result in disaster or not?
>
> Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice/comments.
I don't think that would be a disaster, execpt if the duboisi is too
small. A problem could be that the frontosa's don't get enough to eat,
because tropheus is very rapidly and nerveous eater. Frontosa don't
hurry for anything , if you know what i mean...
good luck.
Remember that these two fishes have a different diet !!
Tropheus is vegetarian, frontosa likes live food.
This is the problem where you must find a solution for.
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Blair Phillips
greg.o...@uchsc.edu wrote:
>
> Any comments on whether mixing C. Frontosa and T. Duboisi would
> result in disaster or not?
>
> Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice/comments.
I now have four Frontosa and 7 Duboisi in a 125 gal tank and have no
problems at all... They always have ignored each other.
Stephen Wolstenholme
On 20 Dec 1996 20:41:30 GMT, greg.o...@uchsc.edu wrote:
>Any comments on whether mixing C. Frontosa and T. Duboisi would
>result in disaster or not?
>
>Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
Either the frontosa or the duboisi would be eating the wrong foods. T.
duboisi should be fed on vegetable foods and C. frontosa should be fed
on non-vegetable foods.
Steve
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Gary Kratochvil
Blair Phillips wrote:
>
> greg.o...@uchsc.edu wrote:
> >
> > Any comments on whether mixing C. Frontosa and T. Duboisi would
> > result in disaster or not?
> >
> > Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
> >
>
> I now have four Frontosa and 7 Duboisi in a 125 gal tank and have no
> problems at all... They always have ignored each other.
The fact that they ignore each other is immaterial as to whether or not
they should be housed together. They require completely different diets
to each be successful.
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Exotic Tropicals
San Antonio, TX
Everett Dennis
greg.o...@uchsc.edu wrote:
>
> Any comments on whether mixing C. Frontosa and T. Duboisi would
> result in disaster or not?
>
> Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
>
rate of activity from the T Dubs will greatly reduce the chances of
spawning your Fronts. The last thing to consider is the great
differences in diet. Let the Tropheus eat too much high protein and they
are toast.
Orly
In article <MPG.d2589615...@news.pacbell.net>, nvi...@pacbell.net
says...
>> result in disaster or not?
>>
>> Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>a 90g tank would not be enough for 6 frontosas when they are fully
>grown...
Your problem will not be tank space, but rather diet. Frontosa require as
much protein (read meat) as you can afford to pump into them and any Tropheus
will bloat as a result. Tropheus should be kept on strictly Spirulina.
Orly
Gary Kratochvil
Everett Dennis wrote:
> The high rate of activity from the T Dubs will greatly reduce the > chances of spawning your Fronts. The last thing to consider is the
> great differences in diet. Let the Tropheus eat too much high protein > and they are toast.
You are contradicting yourself here. In fact, the first consideration
in any grouping IS diet then secondly behavior.
Blair Phillips
> > > result in disaster or not?
> > >
> > > Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any advice/comments.
> >
> > problems at all... They always have ignored each other.
>
> The fact that they ignore each other is immaterial as to whether or not
> they should be housed together. They require completely different diets
> to each be successful.
> --
Oh Crap! What have I done!
Yeah.. they eat different types of food... So what. The Fron does not
eat algae and vegetables. The T. duboisi don't seem to like beef heart
at all. They both get a supplement of pellets.
Have bred both Fron & duboisi many times in the last 3 years.
But then again, I have them in a fairly large tank. He was talking
about many more fish in a smaller tank.
Gary Kratochvil
Blair Phillips wrote:
> Yeah.. they eat different types of food... So what. The Fron does not
> eat algae and vegetables. The T. duboisi don't seem to like beef heart
> at all. They both get a supplement of pellets.
The "so what" is that the Tropheus will eat whatever you put in the
tank. The Tropheus will not discriminate between the vegetable based
foods and the meat you through in the tank. The "so what" also is that
feeding Tropheus a meat diet, if it doesn't kill them first, will in the
long term have the possibility of producing abnormally shaped fish.
They will tend to have a taller body than normal when feed a meat diet.
> But then again, I have them in a fairly large tank. He was talking
> about many more fish in a smaller tank.
Tank size is irrelevant. Basic principals are the same no matter what
the tank size.
Blair Phillips
I do not feed the tropheus meat! I feed the frons meat... Unless the
tropheus are absorbing tiny meat particulate matter through osmosis, I
think I know what I'm doing.
I did not just set this thing up and start chucking in beef heart and
veg. based foods.
It takes me a little extra time to feed them, but it's worth it. It can
be done!
Orly
In article <32C15D...@ix.netcom.com>, bl...@ix.netcom.com says...
>
>Gary Kratochvil wrote:
>>
>> Blair Phillips wrote:
>>
>> > Yeah.. they eat different types of food... So what. The Fron does not
>> > eat algae and vegetables. The T. duboisi don't seem to like beef heart
>> > at all. They both get a supplement of pellets.
>>
>> The "so what" is that the Tropheus will eat whatever you put in the
>> tank. The Tropheus will not discriminate between the vegetable based
>> foods and the meat you through in the tank. The "so what" also is that
>> feeding Tropheus a meat diet, if it doesn't kill them first, will in the
>> long term have the possibility of producing abnormally shaped fish.
>> They will tend to have a taller body than normal when feed a meat diet.
>>
>>
>> > But then again, I have them in a fairly large tank. He was talking
>> > about many more fish in a smaller tank.
>>
>> Tank size is irrelevant. Basic principals are the same no matter what
>> the tank size.
>
>tropheus are absorbing tiny meat particulate matter through osmosis, I
>think I know what I'm doing.
>I did not just set this thing up and start chucking in beef heart and
>veg. based foods.
>
>It takes me a little extra time to feed them, but it's worth it. It can
>be done!
Hehe!
Gary, your contributions and wealth of experience are appreciated here, noting
particularly that this is one of the few threads that I have seen you drop in
on - I look forward of more of your knowledge being disseminated throught this
group. Please do not give up simply based on the fact that some idiot has
decided that he can feed fronts in the same tank as Tropheus without letting
the Tropheus get their lips locked around some meat!
It is my experience that fronts will do best when excess food if left "laying
around" for those finiky alpha males to get to when he is tired of chasing
females. If the fish are starved, it is an altogether different matter.
Blair, this thread was an inquiry by a hobbyist that may not be interested in
what "could work" and anyone with a resonable sense would not use your
approach, much less reccomend it. Fronts require excessive meat to thrive -
no arguing that - and Tropheus cannot tolerate meat in their diet - no arguing
that. Gary's point is solid and if you want to argue it, well, you might as
well take it up with a wall - Gary breeds more of each of these species in a
year than you could hope to in a lifetime :-)
If you are going to advise hobbyists based on a single, rare, extrememly work
intensive experience, please take the extra time to provide the
appropriate cautions and note the pitfalls of doing so - something which I
believe you clearly left out of your original post.
Merry Christmas,
Orly
Blair Phillips
>
> Blair, this thread was an inquiry by a hobbyist that may not be interested in
> what "could work" and anyone with a resonable sense would not use your
> approach, much less reccomend it. Fronts require excessive meat to thrive -
> no arguing that - and Tropheus cannot tolerate meat in their diet - no arguing
> that. Gary's point is solid and if you want to argue it, well, you might as
> well take it up with a wall - Gary breeds more of each of these species in a
> year than you could hope to in a lifetime :-)
>
> If you are going to advise hobbyists based on a single, rare, extrememly work
> intensive experience, please take the extra time to provide the
> appropriate cautions and note the pitfalls of doing so - something which I
> believe you clearly left out of your original post.
>
Sorry about that... It just seemed like he was telling me it could not
be done.
Yeah, you are correct... Most would not want to take the time to figure
it out.
So, at the risk of being called an idiot again (A village is looking for
me)...
Once daily, with the wet/dry and filter off, I lower a container of
"meat stuff" into the same corner of the tank. Meat (beef heart,
worms...) seems to be the only thing that sets the frons off. The frons
get very active and run the Tropheus off while they eat everything I
give them. Yeah, I'm sure the Tropheus' get a very small amount of meat
from small bits suspended in the water after the frons make a small mess
of things. Also, the frons are quite a bit larger than the tropheus'
and I could have problems down the line when the tropheus' get bigger.
I never said I was and expert with Tanganyika Cichlids.... I breed
Aulonocaras and African Blockheads.
I'm sorry if I insulted anyone or gave the wrong impression. I'll keep
any comments to the fish I know.
That being said, do you know of a newsgroup that allows posting of
Cichlid photography? I have tons of color slide scans I have done over
the years. I did post one of my wild A. stuartgranti breeder but don't
trash up the base with photographs if they are not allowed.
Blair
Pedro
In article <32C20B...@ix.netcom.com>,
Blair,
I don't believe there are any specific NG's for fish photos (someone correct
me if I'm wrong, please ;). You could announce your post though to the
appropriate group(s), then post the actual pics to alt.binaries.pictures.misc.
hih,
Pedro
Blair Phillips
Pedro wrote:
>
> Blair,
>
> I don't believe there are any specific NG's for fish photos (someone correct
> me if I'm wrong, please ;). You could announce your post though to the
> appropriate group(s), then post the actual pics to alt.binaries.pictures.misc.
>
> hih,
> Pedro
Sorry I posted them in here.... Won't happen again.
Thanks for the info.
Blair
Sean
On Thu, 26 Dec 96 13:50:19 GMT, pet...@nwu.edu (Pedro) spake unto
rec.aquaria.freshwater.cichlids:
alt.binaries.pictures.animals is one newsgroup to post too.
I also have a web site that has hundreds of pictures of fish. If you have
pictures of your fish that you'd like added to my archive you can send them to
me and I'll get them added.
Sean
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Doegi, the nice human being
On 20 Dec 1996 20:41:30 GMT, greg.o...@uchsc.edu wrote:
>Any comments on whether mixing C. Frontosa and T. Duboisi would
>result in disaster or not?
>
>Setup would be a 90 gal tank with 6 medium Frontosa and 12 smaller Duboisi.
Let me say following:
I will try it too in some month.
Frontosas aren't very aggressive. If you ask me, the dubis are more
aggressive than the fronts. I would say, it wouldn't result a
disaster. I have some T. Mooris with some fronts at the moment, and
the only who is aggressive is a moori male against the fronts. But
this doesn't matter the fronts and so all is OK.
But you should decide if you set the fronts into a bigger tank later.
Bye, Doegi
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Doegi, the nice human being
On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 14:37:25 +0100, Johan <Johan....@ping.be>
wrote:
>Remember that these two fishes have a different diet !!
>Tropheus is vegetarian, frontosa likes live food.
>This is the problem where you must find a solution for.
This is simple: Add some Cyprichromis to the tank, if you have enough
money ;-) they are the food fronts eat in the nature...
Then you feed the food for the dubis
Orly
In article <32ce84eb...@news.online-club.de>, Do...@online-club.de
says...
>
>On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 14:37:25 +0100, Johan <Johan....@ping.be>
>wrote:
>
>>Remember that these two fishes have a different diet !!
>>Tropheus is vegetarian, frontosa likes live food.
>>This is the problem where you must find a solution for.
>
>This is simple: Add some Cyprichromis to the tank, if you have enough
>money ;-) they are the food fronts eat in the nature...
>Then you feed the food for the dubis
Doegi,
You need to remember to stop quoting texts that are fairly immature and
sometimes even completely innacurate - this is a relatively new hobby that
tends to rely on hobbyists more than research for answers! It is a well known
fact that fronts occupy the lower extremes of the biotope and that cyps are
open water fish. So then I ask, how the hell can a front get it's jaw around
a cyp? And do not answer with that "sleeping" bullshit.
I think you will find that one day a long, long time ago, someone cut open a
frontosa and found fish in it's stomach and decided that the fish was a
piscivore - not long after, it was published and some time after that you
qouted it as fact, without any mention of the author or any way out. You ever
seen a wild frontosa sift sand? It is no accident that they are so damned
good at it - some recent disections have demonstrated that the bulk of the
frontosa analyzed contained mostly shrimp and other sand dwelling critters in
there stomachs.
After spending about 7 years working with this species, I can attest to their
ability to sift sand, although I have not figured out the use of the hump in
the process - my honest opinion is that it must have something to do with
maintaining balance while sifting, as nature raraly produces useless features.
Orly
or...@ti.com There really is no heaven, just
some big lakes in East Africa.
Orly
Doegi,
In article <32d3b3f3...@news.online-club.de>, Do...@online-club.de
says...
>
>oh-oh, Orly...Do you really think, I would post something about
>Tanganyikans, while I don't know if they're right???
Never suggested that you were right or wrong, just that more recent evidence
has disproven what you have suggested.
>On 7 Jan 1997 14:24:42 GMT, or...@ti.com (Orly) wrote:
>Read it on your own in Ad Konings book about the cichlids from Lake
>Tanganyika. (Does Ad Konings tell bullshit, Orly?).
>There you'll find, that Ad wondered, why the Fronts can "wake up" so
>fast. He gave following answer:
I have read it Doegi. Tis, tis, you are getting defensive agian.
>In the early moring, in the first 10 minutes after the sun rised, the
>fronts wake up very fast (~4-5 minutes).
>In this time the Cyps still lay on the ground, because they have to
>sleep in the night too, and they cannot do this in the open water.
>And now the time of the fronts is come: In this 5 minutes, they have
>till also the Cyps wake up, they can catch as many as they need all
>over the day.
And as evolution would have it, cyps are stupid and have not evolved a natural
way around this predation you suggest. Hehe, what a roar! I think that you
have misread Ad, as he clearly suggested that this was a theory, and not
something that he ovserved or that someone has proven.
>Well, I didn't know, that you know more than Ad Konings, sorry.
Stop the rhetoric Doegi, if you have something to contribute to counter, do
so, but this childish "same to you but more of it" stuff is getting old. I
cannot help but feel at times that I am discussing this hobby with a
nonsensical fucking teenager.
>Hey, did you ever hold Cyprichromis with Fronts? What happened, after
>you didn't feed your fish for some days? Less Cyps? Funny...
Actually, Doegi, they will rarely chase any fish kept with them, except the
occasional fry. The problem is simple, and also as Ad clearly stated in his
writings, Frontosa are seemingly inept hunters.
>* Doegi, the nice human being <Do...@online-club.de> *
Nice? You take a simple personal post with an opinion and some facts
countering your position and turn it into a personal battle? You call this
nice? Perhaps in your country this is nice, but here in the USA you would
fit among the top qualifiers for the Asshole award.
Doegi, the nice human being
oh-oh, Orly...Do you really think, I would post something about
Tanganyikans, while I don't know if they're right???
On 7 Jan 1997 14:24:42 GMT, or...@ti.com (Orly) wrote:
> In article <32ce84eb...@news.online-club.de>, Do...@online-club.de
> says...
> >This is simple: Add some Cyprichromis to the tank, if you have enough
> >money ;-) they are the food fronts eat in the nature...
> >Then you feed the food for the dubis
>
> Doegi,
> You need to remember to stop quoting texts that are fairly immature and
> sometimes even completely innacurate - this is a relatively new hobby that
> tends to rely on hobbyists more than research for answers! It is a well known
> fact that fronts occupy the lower extremes of the biotope and that cyps are
> open water fish. So then I ask, how the hell can a front get it's jaw around
> a cyp? And do not answer with that "sleeping" bullshit.
Read it on your own in Ad Konings book about the cichlids from Lake
Tanganyika. (Does Ad Konings tell bullshit, Orly?).
There you'll find, that Ad wondered, why the Fronts can "wake up" so
fast. He gave following answer:
In the early moring, in the first 10 minutes after the sun rised, the
fronts wake up very fast (~4-5 minutes).
In this time the Cyps still lay on the ground, because they have to
sleep in the night too, and they cannot do this in the open water.
And now the time of the fronts is come: In this 5 minutes, they have
till also the Cyps wake up, they can catch as many as they need all
over the day.
> I think you will find that one day a long, long time ago, someone cut open a
> frontosa and found fish in it's stomach and decided that the fish was a
> piscivore - not long after, it was published and some time after that you
> qouted it as fact, without any mention of the author or any way out. You ever
> seen a wild frontosa sift sand? It is no accident that they are so damned
> good at it - some recent disections have demonstrated that the bulk of the
> frontosa analyzed contained mostly shrimp and other sand dwelling critters in
> there stomachs.
Well, I didn't know, that you know more than Ad Konings, sorry.
> After spending about 7 years working with this species, I can attest to their
> ability to sift sand, although I have not figured out the use of the hump in
> the process - my honest opinion is that it must have something to do with
> maintaining balance while sifting, as nature raraly produces useless features.
Hey, did you ever hold Cyprichromis with Fronts? What happened, after
you didn't feed your fish for some days? Less Cyps? Funny...
> Orly
Doegi
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* Doegi, the nice human being <Do...@online-club.de> *
Hong-Chang Liang
or...@ti.com (Orly) writes:
>>* Doegi, the nice human being <Do...@online-club.de> *
>Nice? You take a simple personal post with an opinion and some facts
>countering your position and turn it into a personal battle? You call this
>nice? Perhaps in your country this is nice, but here in the USA you would
>fit among the top qualifiers for the Asshole award.
Hey Orly,
While I agree with 99% your comments about our "nice" friend there,
let's leave the pseudo-nationalism out - please! Doegi, or whatever his
real name is (I have a friend from Germany who swears that he'd never heard
of such a name for Germans) is an immature little boob just because - not
because he's from Germany or wherever he's really from. I'm sure you were
just lashing out from frustration, but let's not let this degenerate into
a USA vs. Germany vs. wherever (Taiwan?) thing, o.k.? We've wasted enough
time flaming his stupid posts. Let's get back to talking about cichlids!
HCL
Orly
In article <5b1l1c$8...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, li...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu says...
>Hey Orly,
>
> While I agree with 99% your comments about our "nice" friend there,
>let's leave the pseudo-nationalism out - please! Doegi, or whatever his
>real name is (I have a friend from Germany who swears that he'd never heard
>of such a name for Germans) is an immature little boob just because - not
>because he's from Germany or wherever he's really from. I'm sure you were
>just lashing out from frustration, but let's not let this degenerate into
>a USA vs. Germany vs. wherever (Taiwan?) thing, o.k.? We've wasted enough
>time flaming his stupid posts. Let's get back to talking about cichlids!
No such action was intended... I think you misread my post. I am not sure
what cultural bias exists between here and some of the other countries, so I
made this allowance. My intent was to communicate that according to the
standards to which I adhere, the guy is acting like a real.... you get the
idea.
Ron Golubosky
I'm not planning on doggin anyone here but, I have to put my two cents in.
Doegi when talking about feed duboisi and fronts said
> >This is simple: Add some Cyprichromis to the tank, if you have enough
> >money ;-) they are the food fronts eat in the nature...
> >Then you feed the food for the dubis
And orly then replied
>
> Doegi,
>
> You need to remember to stop quoting texts that are fairly immature and
> sometimes even completely innacurate - this is a relatively new hobby
that
> tends to rely on hobbyists more than research for answers! It is a well
known
> fact that fronts occupy the lower extremes of the biotope and that cyps
are
> open water fish. So then I ask, how the hell can a front get it's jaw
around
> a cyp? And do not answer with that "sleeping" bullshit.
>
> I think you will find that one day a long, long time ago, someone cut
open a
> frontosa and found fish in it's stomach and decided that the fish was a
> piscivore - not long after, it was published and some time after that you
> qouted it as fact, without any mention of the author or any way out. You
ever
> seen a wild frontosa sift sand? It is no accident that they are so
damned
> good at it - some recent disections have demonstrated that the bulk of
the
> frontosa analyzed contained mostly shrimp and other sand dwelling
critters in
> there stomachs.
>
> After spending about 7 years working with this species, I can attest to
their
> ability to sift sand, although I have not figured out the use of the hump
in
> the process - my honest opinion is that it must have something to do with
> maintaining balance while sifting, as nature raraly produces useless
features.
so here are my two cents worth.
Doegi First if anyone could afford to feed cyps to their front then they
are a rich individual. And I really fealt that this was an idiatic advice
to give. And when you give advice that you are not 110% positive about and
have witnessed for yourself then, state your reference. Second the
statement I made about fish having different personallities is my
observation and not a way of life. Please take my name off your web page
and off your signature.
Orly
I agree and disagree with you in some of your statement. Doegi was
probably qouting Ad Konings in his answer. As even konings says that
fronts eat cyps with during the early hours of the morning. And I would
believe Konings before most other people. I feed Rosey reds once a month
to my fronts. During the first few minutes the eat them rather quickly.
It will take them 2 weeks to eat the last ten or twelve. I have observed
them waking up earlier than the feeders and eating them while the Reds were
still adjusting to the morning light.
I do agree that they are excellent sand sifters and do take advantage of
any meal they find. Which would explain the shrimp and Crustacians in their
stomachs.
As far as the hump goes, most animals do not (as you stated) have useless
features. I personally believe that the hump is for sexual recongition as
I have never seen two males or two female attempt to spawn such as female
angels do.
Ron Golubosky
Doegi, the very angry human being
On 9 Jan 1997 02:26:52 GMT, li...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Hong-Chang
Liang) wrote:
> Hey Orly,
>
> While I agree with 99% your comments about our "nice" friend there,
> let's leave the pseudo-nationalism out - please! Doegi, or whatever his
> real name is (I have a friend from Germany who swears that he'd never heard
> of such a name for Germans)
Hey Hong-Chang. If you read all my posts, you could know, that Doegi
is a nick-name. NICK-NAME!! Did you understand this? My real name is
Alexander, but it's no fun to use it...
Would you make me a favour? Would you answer posts to Orly via Email
to Orly, please? This is nothing for a cichlid Newsgroup. This post is
something for this NG, because I think, the time is come, that you
learn to find me nicer - I haven't done anything.
Well, I answer to a post - a VERY right anwer, BTW, Orly thought, what
isn't wrong to think, this couldn't be - Cyps swims in open water, why
can fronts eat them, and YOU - YOU thinks, "hey, now I can say
something against Doegi - don't let me check if he has said something
right - just attack him". Nice.
I think the time is come, that you stop such irrelevant messages, ok?
To our cichlid Problem: I have decided to post only msg about
cichlids/fish to this Newsgroup, except this msg, of course, where I
have to defend myself, and you attack me again.. Wow, what a live...
> because he's from Germany or wherever he's really from. I'm sure you were
> just lashing out from frustration, but let's not let this degenerate into
> a USA vs. Germany vs. wherever (Taiwan?) thing, o.k.? We've wasted enough
> time flaming his stupid posts. Let's get back to talking about cichlids!
You can't believe it, right? 99 percent of my posts about Tanganyikan
Cichlids are right, and what do you do - call it stupid. Do you know,
what Tanganyika-Cichlids are, Hong-Chang??
Doegi (angry)
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* Doegi, the nice human being <Do...@online-club.de> *
Dean Hougen
In article <32d54bfb...@news.online-club.de>,
Doegi, the very angry human being <Do...@online-club.de> wrote much ranting
ending with:
>... Do you know,
>what Tanganyika-Cichlids are, Hong-Chang??
Hong-Chang has proven to be a knowledgeable and intelligent contributor to
this group. You, "Doegi," on the other hand have proven to be nothing but
an immature, babbling detriment to the group.
Before you start crying about how everyone is out to get you again, just
let me point out that knowledgeable cichlid keepers are working hard to
ensure that less experienced hobbyists get good information in this group.
The reason we keep running into conflict with you is because you repeatedly
post nonsense here. I'd dump you in my killfile, except I think it is
important to refute the crazy things you say lest newbies believe your
prattlings.
>Doegi (angry)
Dean Hougen
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Gonzalo Pajon Jr
When everyone is done....will someone answer the original question?
I have kept and bred C. frontosa, T. Duboise, N. brichardi, and
N. comprisceps all in the same tank. I don't really recomend the
Neolamprologus as they can be very territorial. Frontosas will hide
most of the time while Tropheus will tirelessly swim up and down the
tank harrassing other Tropheus. Try to keep 2 males of Tropheus to
dilute the aggression toward females.
Provide plenty of hiding places and lighting dimmed to get the
frontosas to come out more.
I'm no expert, but this is what works for me. (I have also bred
Cypricromis
also)
Gon