half breed Neolamprologus brichardi-leleupi
Pete
Need a little help with this one. I recently purchased a complete
system from a breeder with many nice cichlids. I was told that all the
fish were ones that he had raised from fry.
We got one that he said is a cross of brichardi and leleupi, both of teh
Neolamprologus species. To look at I don't doubt it. It has the shape
of the brichardi but is colored like a lulupi. This body is a pearl
essence and the fins are the bright yellow color of lulupis. It is
fully mature at 4 inches. It likes to hang around with the other
brichardi (which I had prior to this purchase). It is not too friendly
with the lulupi in the tank. It does tend to "bark" from time to time
like lulupi's do.
This fish is more beautiful than either of the original two species.
Question is, how can I get more of these? What are the requirements of
cross breeding? Are there others out there I could buy and then try to
get these half breeds to produce offspring? Are they more like mules
which must be breed individually and do not produce their own offspring?
If anyone has info about this please email or post. thanks. Pete
Pete
I don't, other than the breeder told me otherwise when I purchased his
complete setup. He is fairly well respected around here so that did not
occure to me.
as if wrote:
>
> how do you know it's not a daffodil which has
> coloring as you describe?
>
> John
as if
Derek Benson
I think a couple of the replies you've gotten have been a little harsh. Just
because you happened to get this fish together with some others you are not
yet messing with any species or hobbyists. If someone is doing this it's the
breeder. It is good advice though to not breed this fish and risk diluting
the original species if too many cross breeds came out on the market.
Separate this fish from the others if you can if it shows an inclination to
spawn, or at least keep any young to yourself. You are under no obligation to
destroy a fish just because it happens to be a cross breed.
Derek
Crom
If they are hybrids, it is your responsibility to destroy them. If
not, at least keep them from reproducing. One day, all we have may be
captive-raised fish, and hybridization is the LAST thing we need.
Pete <l...@xmission.com> wrote:
>I don't, other than the breeder told me otherwise when I purchased his
>complete setup. He is fairly well respected around here so that did not
>occure to me.
>
Tekoa Feeder
A similar *conversation* is/was going in rec.pets.birds on
hybridization.
The consensus being that once the animal is produced, it makes a fine
pet, but please do not breed-on from it.
esa...@wsunix.wsu.edu
Pete,
I am not a Rift Lake cichlid expert, but from what I have read
crosses in these fish are quite common. There have also been crosses among
Corydoras spp. and Rainbows among other aquarium fishes. I recently saw a
cross between N. brichardi and Julidiochromis ornatus. I would not have
believed it if I had not seen it with me own eyes. The fry looked similar
to J. regani. They were not bad looking. The sad thing is the guy that did
it owns a local aquarium store and is selling the fry! Leave the genetics
to scientists and kill off any cross-breads. All you are doing is messing
up the species and fellow hobbyists.
-Shane
Never appeal to a man's "better nature."
He may not have one.
Invoking his self-interest gives you more leverage.
A "critic" is a man who creates nothing and thereby
feels qualified to judge the work of creative men.
There is logic in this; he is unbiased- he hates
all creative people equally.
do...@aol.com
IMHO it's very unpossiple that they are hybrids. Just a other species.
(They are too less similar (the original) to cross-breed!)
Bye, Doegi
Derek Benson
It sounds like those bird people are quite sensible.
-Derek
Orly
Been lurking on this thread and it just occured to me that you might have
another fish. Is it L. mustax that can take on yellow coloration? Body
shape of L. brichardi with L. leleupi color would sure fit the description I
recall. Hmm, wish I had my references here at work.
It is unliklely that such a cross would occur IMHO. These fish are pretty
good about keeping to themselves.
Orly
In article <3288D8...@online.no>, ben...@online.no says...
--
or...@ti.com There really is no heaven, just
some big lakes in East Africa.
Colin Cunningham
In HJ Richter's book there is a photo of a hybrid between
I think brichardi & a julidochromis. This seems an even more unlikely
cross than the one discussed here.
IMHO all crossings are wrong and anyone who comes across an accidental
crossing in their tank should cull the fry. I believe it is common in
Malawis and Victorians.
Ken.L
Pete
He didn't exactly sell me the fish. He sold me his entire operation,
set up, tanks, filters, equipment, accessories, and fish...all his fish.
The fish in question was simply one of the fish in his collection. He
is no longer involved in the "hobby". Said he needed the money and a
break for a few years. He had been doing this very seriously for more
than 10 years. Pete.
Dean Hougen wrote:
>
> In article <32867...@xmission.com>, Pete <l...@xmission.com> wrote:
> >I don't, other than the breeder told me otherwise when I purchased his
> >complete setup. He is fairly well respected around here so that did not
> >occure to me.
>
> Respectable breeders do not sell crosses. Either there was a
> communication breakdown (e.g. he was pulling your leg or he meant it looks
> like a combination of these species but really is a daffodil, etc.) or he
> is not well respected (or won't be when people find out what he's been up
> to).
>
> Dean Hougen
> --
> "No one wants a baby who looks like that." - the Sex Pistols
Dean Hougen
do...@aol.com
Im Artikel <328A72...@jach.hawaii.edu>, Colin Cunningham
<c...@jach.hawaii.edu> schreibt:
>
>do...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> IMHO it's very unpossiple that they are hybrids. Just a other species.
>> (They are too less similar (the original) to cross-breed!)
>>
>> Bye, Doegi
>
>
>In HJ Richter's book there is a photo of a hybrid between
>I think brichardi & a julidochromis. This seems an even more unlikely
>cross than the one discussed here.
Oh, this is interesting. I ever thought, this couldn't appear. Sometimes
between species of one group, like Neolamprologus (and this very
unlikely..and then -> ?), but ALSO between fish out of other groups? This
I didn't know, thank you.
Ad Konings wrote, that
Tropheus moori and Tropheus duboisi don't recognizes each other and don't
crossbreed (one group!).
I'd like to know: DID everybody else heart of this phenomenem (sorry about
the spelling..)?
>IMHO all crossings are wrong and anyone who comes across an accidental
>crossing in their tank should cull the fry.
Yes.
> I believe it is common in
>Malawis and Victorians.
>Ken.L
Doegi
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