Haplochromis sp. "44"

[Dmitry]

After a long time specialising exclusively in Tanganyikans I've finally been
tempted to diversify after seeing a stunning Malawi cichlid in my LFS. The
label identified the fish merely as Haplochromis sp "44". It's not unlike
H. burtoni but it is much more colorful. The male is a fantastic mix of
color - metallic yellow body with dark bars and flecks of pink and blue, a
blue barred head and very bright pink fins & tail. The female is a typical
drab silver. Can anyone offer any insight into this fish - whether it has
any other names... or any info at all?

Thanks,

[Dewey Howell]

This is a victorian cichlid that is commonly sold incorrectly under the
name Hap. obliquidens.

In article <yW2s2.733$Mw....@nnrp2.clara.net>, "Dmitry"

[tim.p...@cciw.ca]

Okay,

Now I'm confused. I have three Hap. Species 44's in my tank which I bought
essentially as dithers. They are relatively unremarkable as far as colour
goes - silvery body with vertical bars (very pronounced over the eye) and
red-tiped dorsal and anal fins. I have seen them in several LFS's around
here, all various sizes, and non of them displayed any hint of the
colouration described below.

The common name I have seen them under is "Martini Red".

Are these fish I have seen all jeuveniles (all well over 3"), are they (and
all the ones at the LFS female, or have I got a different fish, or is the
poster below missinformed, or am I?

To me, the description below sounds a lot more like an Auloncara of some
kind............

I would really like to know, if anyone out there can clear this up.

Tim Pascoe

In article <dh034289-300...@bcm01537.cellb.bcm.tmc.edu>,

Tim Pascoe
GIS and Environmental Applications Specialist
National Water Research Institute
Canada Center for Inland Waters

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[Jody McManus]

Hello
The Hap. sp#44 are definately one of the most colourful fish that I
have ever seen, they also go by the name Hap. "thick skin". The females
are sort of a gold/green with several dark vertical stripes on them.

I would consider your fish as "martini red" as most of the Victorian
Haps that I have seen should be mostly coloured up by 3" and they
definately do not sound like the sp#44
You could try finding your fish on the following page:

http://205.243.62.12/aquageo/BLB008.htm

hope that it helps
jody

[Mark Oldfield]

Jody McManus wrote in message <36B5D237...@videotron.ca>...

>Hello
> The Hap. sp#44 are definately one of the most colourful fish that I
>have ever seen, they also go by the name Hap. "thick skin". The females
>are sort of a gold/green with several dark vertical stripes on them.

Yup, I have a pair that won't stop breeding. But like the previous poster
said, they were sold as hap. Obliquedens from my LFS. To add to the
confusion they also sold me a pair of "hap. Zebra Obliquedens," the male
having alternating bright orange and black-black stripes (picture Fred
Flintstone as a fish), no "swirling" of colors like the 44s. Any idea of
what the correct name is for this sp.?

> You could try finding your fish on the following page:
>http://205.243.62.12/aquageo/BLB008.htm

Great site - thanks.

- Mark O.

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[Dewey Howell]

> Yup, I have a pair that won't stop breeding. But like the previous poster
> said, they were sold as hap. Obliquedens from my LFS. To add to the
> confusion they also sold me a pair of "hap. Zebra Obliquedens," the male
> having alternating bright orange and black-black stripes (picture Fred
> Flintstone as a fish), no "swirling" of colors like the 44s. Any idea of
> what the correct name is for this sp.?

Haplochromis (Astatotilapia) latifasciata.

Check out the following URL

http://www.amnh.org/Exhibition/Endangered/cichlids.html

HTH,
Dewey

[Mark Oldfield]

Dewey Howell wrote in message ...

>Haplochromis (Astatotilapia) latifasciata.
>
>Check out the following URL
>
>http://www.amnh.org/Exhibition/Endangered/cichlids.html

More cichlid ignorance cured - thanks for the great link. So, why does my
LFS which wholesales Africans out of their basement and are by far the
African "experts" in the Twin Cities area (World of Fish in MN, usually they
advertise in the back of aquarium mags), sell their fish with the wrong
names? They have a computer DB which prints the names on your receipt (hap.
Obliquidens, Zebra Obliquidens).

So now, I have another hap. pair, sold as 'Piebald Redfin. The male is a
gorgeous dark purple with red edges on the fins and the female bright orange
with black splotches. The latifasciata male will not let them breed, he
jumps right in the middle of the action.

Off to practice pronouncing my new fish sp.

Thanks,

[Mark Oldfield]

Ok, I'm confused again. What is the correct name for the fish in the upper
left-hand corner of this page (it's a scan of a poster, the big picture):

http://205.243.62.12/aquageo/BLB008.htm

This is what was sold to me as hap. Obliquedens.

Thanks in advance,

[Pedro]

Hi Mark,

Even the 'experts' such as the folks as WOF can't keep up with all the
confusion in nomenclature of the Cichlidae family(!) ;)

I also picked up some 'obliquedens' at the last auction. Neat little fish. I
can't wait to see one of the males color up.

What sort of prices are typical at some of the species you saw from the
wholesalers at WOF? (not their retail prices upstairs in the shop) I am
curious what they are in comparision to places like Elite Cichlids here in
Chicago.

Thanks,
Pedro

In article <79aq2f$4iq6$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Mark Oldfield"

[Mark Oldfield]

Pedro wrote in message <79cj1t$4...@news.acns.nwu.edu>...

>Hi Mark,
>
>Even the 'experts' such as the folks as WOF can't keep up with all the
>confusion in nomenclature of the Cichlidae family(!) ;)

They are a GREAT store, recommend to anyone visiting the TC area. If you go
on a quiet weekday you can sometimes get the tour to the basement wholesale
division if you ask nice.

>What sort of prices are typical at some of the species you saw from the
>wholesalers at WOF? (not their retail prices upstairs in the shop) I am

>curious what they are in comparison to places like Elite Cichlids here in
>Chicago.

They won't sell to me wholesale, but given the right sales person they will
'transfer' fish from their wholesale to retail division, so the average
consumer like myself always pays retail. The retail on hap. Obliquedens or
the Zebras (latifasciata) are $15, so I assume wholesale is around $5. My
"Obliquedens" pair (the poster fish) have produced easily over a 100 fry in
the last two months and the latifasciata around the same and she is pregnant
again. Couple that with my Malawi hap. Labrosis pair and I have over 300
various size babies in the house. Going to trade some in soon to buy a 55
gallon tank set-up.