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Carlos Sanchez

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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Allen Casady wrote:

 Can anyone explain this?  I have two angelfish, I don't know what sex they are, every time they come near each other they begin to twitch and then one pecks at the other.  This pecking alternates from time to time.  Does anyone know what they are doing?  Should I worry?  I don't think it is anything in the water because they act normal otherwise. Allenpacka...@uswest.com 
  Hi,
    I have a school of angelfish that grew out together.The twitching is just two males squabbling for who is the toughest angelfish in the gruop.My fish do it all the time.Don't worry my angelfish breed frequently and the male angelfish do it alot.It actually means that you are doing a great job!Keep them togther they never really hurt each other.
         Normal Behavior,
                Carlos

phish-phreak

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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Do your Angelfish nip each other's pectoral fins?

I have two, which I assume are males, that are about 4 inches long. I used
to have them with a small school of Tiger Barbs, but I removed the barbs
after asking about this fin condition on this NG. I don't think it's fin
rot because the pectoral fins are the only ones affected, but I have treated
for bacterial infection with no improvement. These fish are healthy as far
as I can tell.
Here are their tankmates and the tank specs:

29 gal tank
1 5 inch Pleco
1 5 inch Dojo Loach
2 1 inch cories
1 4 inch Bala shark
1 1 1/2 inch opaline gourami (new addition)

water
pH 6.7
nitrate 0.5ppm
nitrite 0 ppm
ammonia 0ppm
carbonate 80ppm

This condition has persisted for quite some time, but I haven't been able to
resolve it. The angels _do_ peck at each other from time to time, but I
have never actually witnessed them nip each other's fins, so I'm not sure if
this is what's going on. Any help with this would be appreciated, because
this has been going on for awhile, and this are the only flaws of two
otherwise flawless marbled angelfish.

--
~21st Century Schizoid Man~
Carlos Sanchez wrote in message <365B1CFA...@bellsouth.net>...


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>Allen Casady wrote:
>
>> Can anyone explain this? I have two angelfish, I don't know what sex
>> they are, every time they come near each other they begin to twitch
>> and then one pecks at the other. This pecking alternates from time to
>> time. Does anyone know what they are doing? Should I worry? I don't
>> think it is anything in the water because they act normal

>> otherwise. Allenpa...@uswest.com

Tollefson

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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Tiger barbs and angels don't go together well. Tiger barbs are notorious
fin nippers. They can wreak havoc with angels' fins.

Carlos Sanchez

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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phish-phreak wrote:

Yeah my male angelfish have nips in thier fins too.I have seen this behavior it
doesn't hurt them at all.The white film on the pectoral fins is just the fins
trying to repair itself.If you want them ''perfect'' don't keep him with other
angelfish.Fin rot is not the case if so my fish have had it for 6 months and it
stays only on the pectoral fins.So it is not plausible at this point.

> Don't worry,

Carlos

InfSol

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Nov 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/25/98
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You could differentiate the male and the female angel. The male seems to
have a small hump on it's head as it grows into maturity.

Allen Casady <packa...@pop.desm.uswest.net> wrote in article
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Can anyone explain this? I have two angelfish, I don't know what sex they
are, every time they come near each other they begin to twitch and then one
pecks at the other. This pecking alternates from time to time. Does
anyone know what they are doing? Should I worry? I don't think it is
anything in the water because they act normal otherwise.

Allen
packa...@uswest.com


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phish-phreak

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Nov 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/26/98
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>I used
>to have them with a small school of Tiger Barbs, but I removed the barbs
>after asking about this fin condition on this NG.
>

Umm....did you totally skip this sentence when you read my post? I was told
by a poster on this NG exactly what you said, but (in my case) the Tiger
Barbs caused no problems to my Angels. I simply removed them to eliminate
them from my list of possible causes.

>Tiger barbs and angels don't go together well. Tiger barbs are notorious
>fin nippers. They can wreak havoc with angels' fins.
>

Thanks, anyway.

phish-phreak

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Nov 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/26/98
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Yeah, my angels have been like this for awhile, also, so I really didn't
think they had fin rot. Well, if it can't be helped, it can't be helped.
At least they have been perfectly fine <knock on wood> this long.

Thank you, Carlos
Have a good holiday

ChiChiX

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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The twitching is a clear sign of mating rituals. Looks like one is a male and
the other is a female. Separate the couple into their own tank and they are
likely to breed.

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Claire McDonald

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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On 26 Nov 1998 02:14:10 GMT, "phish-phreak"
<neil-jeffr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Yeah, my angels have been like this for awhile, also, so I really didn't
>think they had fin rot. Well, if it can't be helped, it can't be helped.
>At least they have been perfectly fine <knock on wood> this long.
>
>Thank you, Carlos
>Have a good holiday

I don't think it's fin-rot either. Mine nip at one another too. It's
very often just under the gills, near the pectoral fins. In fact now
the 6 juveniles given to me are adult so I have 8 angels in my 100g.
There's a lot of territorial re-arranging going on, but on the whole
they all get on well together.
Claire

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Claire McDonald

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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This behaviour is perfectly normal. They sometimes stand face to face
all fins out and shake their heads at one another. Formed couples
also do this. It amuses me because it looks as though they are having
an argument... Nothing to worry about.
Claire

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Peter Stegenborg Larsen

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Dec 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/2/98
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Hallo

I kind of lost the beginning of this thread, so I sorry if this isn't
relevant.

I have noticed two types of twitching going on between my angels.

1. Agressive twitching, where two rivalling Angels (males in my case)
stand face to face (often a little tilted in the water) making twitches
with their entire body. This is definately an agressive pose, where they
are trying to care each other.

2. The Shake Around: A male Angle does the shake, around a female, all
fins are expanded and he looks absolut georgous (which is the point
here, 'cus he is trying to score). All his body i shaking but very
different from the earlier twiching. Sometimes he makes sounds as well
(I guess only when he is very eager to get some). In this pose the male
always has his side to the female, and not the face.

See you all
Peter.

PJHagen

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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>
>
>You could differentiate the male and the female angel. The male seems to
>have a small hump on it's head as it grows into maturity.
>
>Allen Casady <packa...@pop.desm.uswest.net> wrote in article
><365af...@news3.uswest.net>...
>Can anyone explain this? I have two angelfish, I don't know what sex they
>are, every time they come near each other they begin to twitch and then one
>pecks at the other. This pecking alternates from time to time. Does
>anyone know what they are doing? Should I worry? I don't think it is
>anything in the water because they act normal otherwise.
>
>Allen
>packa...@uswest.com
>
>
>---

I have to agree with most of the posters that this is probably mating
behavior. But - -I have a feeling that it may also be attributable to the fish
trying to establish a territory. Either as pairs or individually, in
preparation for or part of courting.

I have to disagree aboout the hump=male theory. I cannot really tell untill a
pair is ready to spawn, and even then, if the female is small or has not
spawned a few times _or_ has spawned too many times, _or_ is a little underfed
(that is she has a rather small clutch of eggs) then there may be little
difference. But usually she has a much larger belly - most otable when viewed
from the rear. kind of resembles the wheel-wells of a C5-A aircraft :)

but the bottom line is that they _probably_ won't do too much harm to each
other as long as there is enough room to hide or enough other targets. I tend
to crowd my tanks and hav ehad over 2 dozen juvinile angels in a 55 with maybe
a dozen other smaller fish, danios, tetras, sword-tails, mollies, corries and
SAE's

danios and corries are my favorites as companions for the angels & discus.
sword-tails are just fine too, but the color can distract you from major
attraction - the Angels!
Peter Hagen
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Tollefson

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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I can't say from my experience that your observation suggests mating
behaviour. I have a tank with four males and they do this continually. It
seems to be solely a territorial behaviour.

The mating pair do the same thing some times. In fact, after the spawn,
the female is even more aggressive with the male than the males are with
each other.

I also agree that it is hard to tell the difference between males and
females. I have not noticed this characteristic male bump on a regular
basis. Sometimes the males are larges, sometimes the females.


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