Problem after using coconut shell.
Tom
Anyone here having problem after using this stuff in the tank ? I drop
couple young coconut shells in my grow out cichlid tank last night. This
morning I discovered 2 dead adult Leleupi and Hap.Ahli, water also
clouded out. The rest are just grasping for air, Front's fries are in
breeder net w/ separate air pump with no problem.
It's seem to be oxygen depletion and--not--ammonia. I'm curious of
whether coconut w/ some meat, can rob oxygen from water. I'm using
powerhead w/ air diffuser and its don't have any problem until now.
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Have a great day...
Patrick Annibal
If they are degrading in any way then the shells will take oxygen from the
water and produce ammonia and CO2. Are you sure the shells were cleaned
totally before being put in the aqarium otherwise you may have introduced
anything to the tank which could cloud it (bacteria ?) and attack the fish.
Did you boil them before introduction?
Fish normally gasp for air if stressed or if with some diseases.
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Patrick
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Beverly Erlebacher
In article <35731A8D...@concentric.net>,
Not sure what you mean by 'young' coconut shells, but the 'some meat'
is bad. If you mean green coconuts, that's bad too. Don't put anything
that can quickly rot in your tank. The bacteria consume oxygen as they
rot the material. Coconut meat is also very oily, and if enough is
released it could form a film on the surface that could interfere with
gas exchange, making the problem worse.
The coconut shells people often use in their aquaria are the extremely
hard, dark brown shaggy inner shells of mature coconuts, after all the
white meat is removed. These shells are just about solid lignin and
aside from plecos eating the 'hair' off them, seem not to deteriorate
at all, even after years in a tank, or, for that matter, a compost heap.
Tom
Beverly Erlebacher wrote:
These are "green" coconut, its for juicing and some young freshy meat. The
reasoned I put them in; I came across few article in the past stated that I
can use coconut shell in fish tank. I have no idea that I suppose to use
matured shell, clean, boil and remove all meaty part, stupid me. This also
one of the biggest lost that I ever had for a long time, couple of my fishes
became widow overnight.
Someone asked, Did I ever clean or do anything with it ?
No, I removed some meaty and external fiberous part, then I just tossed it in
the tank. Unfortunately I did it in the evening so I couldn't keep my eyes on
them at night.
Orly
In article <35731A8D...@concentric.net>, thai...@concentric.net says...
>Anyone here having problem after using this stuff in the tank ?
I guess I fail to understand why anyone would do this. With soo many perfectly
trouble free rocks on our planet, why use anything else? In all the
descriptions of East African biotope I have ever read, no mention of coconut
shells exists. Heck, why not use an old Cadillac hood ornament then? Perhaps
some old pasta shells?
Orly
or...@ti.com! There really is no heaven, just
some big lakes in East Africa.
Klaus
Flower pots are better anyhow, don't bother using them...
Some (or was it "A lot of") time a go, I started with Kribs
as my first cichs and read in some book (don't even remember
which one) that they like to spawn in caves like coconut shells,
flowerpots, etc.
So I got a coconut, cut it in half and spend half a day rubbing all
the hairs of and cleaning the insides...
Then I boiled it and while it was boiling i went to a nearby florist
and got a flowerpot.
I tapped the bottom out of the flowerpot and put both in the tiny
tank...
Guess what, the couple picked the flowerpot and never used
the shell that i worked on for several hours... They spawned
over and over again... in the flowerpot :P
After a few months, next destination for the coconutshell:
trashcan!
CY
Klaus
Orly wrote in message <6l3m58$k...@sf18.dseg.ti.com>...
Linus Chan
Well coconut shells are better than the bobbing diver with bubbles in my opinion...
I love hearing that question when people come over. "Oh where is the Castle and the
diver?"
linus
Robert S. Frangooles
We use coconut shells in the majority of our dwark chiclet tanks, and have
had absolutely no problems with them, and think they do look more
appealing than pots, which we also use.
I typically cut them in half with my chop saw, hack the meat out (eating
as I go) and then boil the husks for five or so minutes before putting
them into tanks.
As for using them in east african tanks and the fact they don't appear in
that area, well I'm not sure pvc pipe occurs naturally there, but it seems
to be the tank decor of choice for many tropheus breeders ;)
Bob
ps I would think you would be more of jaguar hood ornament type of guy
Orly. :-)
:
:
:
Orly
In article <6l48bt$l7u$1...@brokaw.wa.com>, me...@halcyon.com says...
>As for using them in east african tanks and the fact they don't appear in
>that area, well I'm not sure pvc pipe occurs naturally there, but it seems
>to be the tank decor of choice for many tropheus breeders ;)
Perhaps I erred in the assumption that all Thai kept was East African.
>ps I would think you would be more of jaguar hood ornament type of guy
>Orly. :-)
Well thanks Bobber, however for Tropheus I prefer nothing! Bare bottom and no
structure - less fighting.
Candi n OK
>Well thanks Bobber, however for Tropheus I prefer nothing! Bare bottom and
>structure - less fighting.
Now if there were sand in the tank, would that really cause fighting? Bare
bottem? Yuck.
Candi -- Quote under construction.
Robert S. Frangooles
Tom (thai...@concentric.net) wrote:
: > >ps I would think you would be more of jaguar hood ornament type of guy
: > >Orly. :-)
:
: I think you degraded Orly, unless that's your intention, then fine. Cadilac STS
: are much better than Jag. in everything from ride control to stereo system. Then
: their's Alante, which I've never drove it but from others experience, it's one
: heck of a ride and quality. I guess African are better worker than U.S., heh!.
No Tom, I think Orly is perfectly capable of degrading himself, in fact
it's one of the qualities I most admire in him ;)
Bob
Orly
In article <199806040019...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, cand...@aol.com
says...
>Now if there were sand in the tank, would that really cause fighting? Bare
>bottem? Yuck.
Optimizing breeding and simplicity of care is not about aestetics Candi and the
thread was referring to structure, not substrate. I would not expect you to
understand the simplicity afforded my minimal decor when it comes to keeping
this challenging sp.
Candi n OK
Um, Orly, I was asking a genuine question. What is the trouble with sand and
tropheous?
>Now if there were sand in the tank, would that really cause fighting?
>Bare<BR>
>>bottem? Yuck.<BR>
><BR>
>Optimizing breeding and simplicity of care is not about aestetics Candi and
>the <BR>
>thread was referring to structure, not substrate. I would not expect you to
><BR>
>understand the simplicity afforded my minimal decor when it comes to keeping
><BR>
>this challenging sp.<BR>
><BR>
>Orly
T. Jessica Miller
Agreed. I use bare bottom tanks and they work very very
well, especially with Tropheus and other algae eaters.
After a bit algae grows on the floor of the tank and gives
them more area to graze. In addition, it reduces held wastes
in the substrate and makes cleaner water an easier reality.
It's just initially that it can look a bit harsh until
things start settling in and growing. On the other hand,
with fish such as some of the shell dwellers, sand is a must
for happy healthy fish.
Jessica (:
Orly wrote:
>
> In article <199806040019...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, cand...@aol.com
> says...
> >Now if there were sand in the tank, would that really cause fighting? Bare
> >bottem? Yuck.
>
> Optimizing breeding and simplicity of care is not about aestetics Candi and the
> thread was referring to structure, not substrate. I would not expect you to
> understand the simplicity afforded my minimal decor when it comes to keeping
Robert S. Frangooles
Candi n OK (cand...@aol.com) wrote:
: Um, Orly, I was asking a genuine question. What is the trouble with sand and
: tropheous?
:
Well, your question was along the lines of "bare tank, no sand? yuck!"
which really is a comment on aesthetics. I think you can probably puzzle
through some of the advantages of bare tanks. If the fish are not freaked
out without hiding places or substrate, there is real reason to have all
of those things, except for the fact that we find them appealing.
Bob
:
: >Now if there were sand in the tank, would that really cause fighting?
: >Bare<BR>
: >>bottem? Yuck.<BR>
: ><BR>
: >Optimizing breeding and simplicity of care is not about aestetics Candi and
: >the <BR>
: >thread was referring to structure, not substrate. I would not expect you to
: ><BR>
: >understand the simplicity afforded my minimal decor when it comes to keeping
: ><BR>
Orly
In article <199806041605...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, cand...@aol.com
says...
>Um, Orly, I was asking a genuine question.
Then you need to refrain from the "Yuck" sideline comments.
>What is the trouble with sand and tropheous?
None. When you have 2500 gallons to do 50% water changes on weekly, you will
begin to gladly accept "Yuck" in lieu of siphoning a sand covered bottom on 40
tanks... bare bottoms actually look great when you paint them black.
Candi n OK
>Well, your question was along the lines of "bare tank, no sand? yuck!"<BR>
>which really is a comment on aesthetics.
You're very right. Aesthetics are important to me since I keep most of my
aquariums primarily for "show". However I try to keep the fish's best interest
in mind so I was curious as to if sand was really a problem. I later assumed
that it was probably just for ease of keeping and that would be important to a
breeder, not neccesarily for me though. And it is said that a lot of fish
"freak out" in bare bottem tanks so I was genuinely curious. Sheesh. Sorry
about the "yuck".
Vantak
Orly wrote:
>bare bottoms actually look great when you paint them black.
>
Perhaps a stupid question, but don't you get a mirror'd reflection at
an angle if there's a bare bottom? Not questioning your methods, just
curious that's all.
Best Regards,
John
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Rock
Vantak wrote:
> Perhaps a stupid question, but don't you get a mirror'd reflection at
> an angle if there's a bare bottom? Not questioning your methods, just
> curious that's all.
Yup. "You" would see a mirrored reflection, BUT however the fish
wouldn't, since they are inside the tank they (if they see thing like we
do) wouldn't be viewing the glass throught 2 diffrent planes (which causes
the mirror effect)
BTW I hope you figured that Orly ment to paint the outside of the tanks
botom piece of glass black.
Rock
er...@pacbell.net
On 3 Jun 1998 14:21:28 GMT, or...@ti.com! (Orly) wrote:
>I guess I fail to understand why anyone would do this. With soo many perfectly
>trouble free rocks on our planet, why use anything else? In all the
>descriptions of East African biotope I have ever read, no mention of coconut
>shells exists. Heck, why not use an old Cadillac hood ornament then?
Don't laugh, my seven year old HAS an old Cadillac hood ornament
in his aquarium! Out here in Ca. we split the kids division of show
tanks into two divisions; one for natural, one for whimsical. My kid
went for the whimsical with Hot Wheels and old hood ornaments, He took
second place finishing behind a diorama of Star Wars set complete with
"flying" craft.
Intrerestingley enough, he has mentioned to me recently that he
wants to change his aquarium over to a natural setup like mine. Before
anybody starts complaining about the problems of metal in the tank,be
assured that only airbreathers (in this case chanas) are used in his
aquarium.
Neal
Anaheim, Ca
Vantak
I resisted the urge to post a smart assed remark, but yeah, I knew he
meant the outside. :P
Tom
Candi n OK wrote:
I don't know what's to yuck about. Bare bottom tank are far better than anything
else, of course you just got to get use to it at first. Bare bottom tank are
cleaner, clearer, less or no smell at all. Fish kept in bare bottom tank are also
more disease free. While its wont look optimal in your eyes but it will to your
fish and if you're a fish lover, it's the only way to go. Now you can be creative
by grow some algae on the bottom (as being stated earlier) but for you, well known
for Mrs. Algae-cide, substrated tank may be more appropriate<shrug><shrug>just
kidding.
>
>
> Candi -- Quote under construction.
Some construction crews!. It's been under construction for decade.
I guess "OK" stand for Oklahoma, right ?
Klaus
I wonder (this question goes to orly and other tropheus(colony)keepers):
do you put anything else in a bare-bottom tank?
I mean, do you give them a few rocks to defend, spawn on, etc?
Or do they get along better without any "ornaments"? And if they
spawn, do they manage to defend a spot of their own so no eggs
are lost before the female picks them up?
This obviously also implies that you take out every single female
with brood before she releases... (no much youngsters would survive
otherwise i reackon)
What do you do with the females then? Put them in a tank of their
own or strip them. If you leave them in a separate tank, what about
aggression at reintroduction in a bare tank? More or less aggression?
(i think less, there's nothing to defend so less territories?)
Bunch off questions from a tropheus novice (to be)
CY
Klaus
Tom wrote in message <357788F2...@concentric.net>...
Vantak
Tom wrote:
>
> > Candi -- Quote under construction.
>
> Some construction crews!. It's been under construction for decade.
They are Union construction workers. :)
>
> I guess "OK" stand for Oklahoma, right ?
> --
> Have a great day...
Best Regards,
John Freese
Incidently - Proud member of U.A.W. Local 900 Wayne, Mi
Just in case anyone feels the need to flame me. :)
Orly
In article <35770D69...@mediaone.net>, vantak.d...@mediaone.net
says...
> Perhaps a stupid question, but don't you get a mirror'd reflection at
>an angle if there's a bare bottom? Not questioning your methods, just
>curious that's all.
Yes, but since the fish are more directly above it, it does not bother them.
Orly
In article <6l8if8$sts$1...@news3.Belgium.EU.net>, Klaus.Van...@advalvas.be
says...
>
>I wonder (this question goes to orly and other tropheus(colony)keepers):
>do you put anything else in a bare-bottom tank?
They will defend a spec of dust if you provide it - kind of thrown the whole
thing off kilter.
>I mean, do you give them a few rocks to defend, spawn on, etc?
>Or do they get along better without any "ornaments"? And if they
>spawn, do they manage to defend a spot of their own so no eggs
>are lost before the female picks them up?
Any decent male will not let anypone else near during the spawn.
>This obviously also implies that you take out every single female
>with brood before she releases... (no much youngsters would survive
>otherwise i reackon)
Correct.
>What do you do with the females then? Put them in a tank of their
>own or strip them. If you leave them in a separate tank, what about
>aggression at reintroduction in a bare tank? More or less aggression?
>(i think less, there's nothing to defend so less territories?)
I strip after a couple weeks.
>Bunch off questions from a tropheus novice (to be)
hehe, enjoy! Great sp.
Orly
Candi n OK
>Candi -- Quote under construction.Some construction crews!. It's been under
>construction for decade.I guess "OK" stand for Oklahoma, right ?
You guessed it. I'm an Okie. And now that everyone has played up my quote so
much I feel a little pressured! Ok, it's not final, but here goes....
Candi -- "Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone."