Mixing Malawi & Tanganyika?
liv2padl
Purists will tell you that you should not or cannot mix these species.
Tanganyikans water requirements are reasonably different (much higher pH
range) and Tanganyikans considerably more sensitive to water problems than
Mbuna to make a case for separation. On the other hand, I personally have
a 200 gal. tank of Mbuna and Tanganyikans which has been running for
several years and all is well. I think you've got to select the
Tanganyikans carefully though for their ability to coexist with the more
belecose Mbuna. I'd suggest many of the more robust Lamprologus species
.. particularly Tretacephalus, some of the Tropheus such as moorii and
Julidochromis sp. I'd avoid Xenotilapia, Callochromis, Cyprichromis and
Ophthalmotilapia. Dan
In article <01bcf0d1$9c76e540$44b6f482@default>, "Fredrik Folkesson"
<fredrik....@mbox302.swipnet.se> wrote:
> I have a 100 gallon tank with Malawi cichlids
> and I need an opinion about mixing Malawi and Tanganyika
> cichlids. I´ve heard that Tropheus can get along with Mbunas.
> the water conditions and diet is similar but I´m not sure.
> anyone who knows about this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Fredrik
Cindi & Chuck
Fredrik Folkesson wrote:
>
> I have a 100 gallon tank with Malawi cichlids
> and I need an opinion about mixing Malawi and Tanganyika
> cichlids. I´ve heard that Tropheus can get along with Mbunas.
> the water conditions and diet is similar but I´m not sure.
> anyone who knows about this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Fredrik
Hi, Fredrik
I have had no trouble, so far, in my 40g. I have Pseudotropheus Zebras,
Livingstonii and Obliquidens Zebras in the same tank. I have had no
trouble whatsoever. I have wanted to get a couple of Frontosas to put
in my 125g. The LFS told me that I shouldn't have a problem but the
general consensus on this newsgroup is that Fronts are gentle and too
expensive to experiment with. So far the Obliquidens are the only
Tanganyika cichlid I have tried. They are working out great.
Cindi
Johan
Cindi & Chuck wrote:
> Fredrik Folkesson wrote:
> >
> > I have a 100 gallon tank with Malawi cichlids
> > and I need an opinion about mixing Malawi and Tanganyika
> > cichlids. I´ve heard that Tropheus can get along with Mbunas.
> > the water conditions and diet is similar but I´m not sure.
> > anyone who knows about this?
>
Maybe I'm a purist, but in my opinion it isn't that wise to mix any kind of
cichlids of different habitats. Tanganyikans are more specific in their
needs than mbuna's
> Hi, Fredrik
>
> I have had no trouble, so far, in my 40g. I have Pseudotropheus Zebras,
> Livingstonii and Obliquidens Zebras in the same tank.
i'm glad for you, you had no trouble at all, but i would like to be in the
'shoes' of your fishes; three different kind of fish, all in the sam 'small'
tank. :-o
> I have had no
> trouble whatsoever. I have wanted to get a couple of Frontosas to put
> in my 125g. The LFS told me that I shouldn't have a problem but the
> general consensus on this newsgroup is that Fronts are gentle and too
> expensive to experiment with. So far the Obliquidens are the only
> Tanganyika cichlid I have tried. They are working out great.
BTW the first time i hear that Obliquidens is a tanganyikan :-o
didn't want to be rude, but why do some people want to mix different type of
cichlids. I have a lot of fun keeping different types..but all in a specific
tank, made for their needs.
Cya
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spectre911
On 14 Nov 1997 15:07:05 GMT, "\"Durango\" Dave" <nei...@fortlewis.edu>
wrote:
>I've had a front in with pseudotropheus socofoli, kenyii. Also an auratus,
>a johanii,
>a livingstonii, red x red zebra, a giraffe hap... think that's all. The
>front is the smallest in the tank, but zips up to the surface to scrap for
>food amongst all the others!
That will probably change as the front matures. They seem to become
very placid and shy as they get bigger. Mine are all 6 to 8 inches now
and they HATE to eat at the surface. They usually eyeball the food for
a while then make a mad dash, grab the food, bounce off the glass and
then dive into the substrate. I've had better luck lately with sinking
pellets.
They give way to my 3 inch Leleupi's, which are the dominant fish in
the tank. I'd hate to think what would happen if I had Mbuna in there,
the Leleupi's are aggressive, but not cruel the way Mbuna are. I'm
glad things have worked out for you so far but I wouldn't count on it
staying that way...
William M. Groth
Cindi, and then Fredrik
I think you will find that the H. obliquidens is not a Tanganyikan
cichlid it is a Victorian (from Lake Victoria) which actually has
water chemistry and quality more like Lake Malawi than does Lake
Tanganyika. Most people try not to mix the Tanganyikans with Malawian
cichlids because the Malawi mbuna's have a reputation for being a little
nastier than the Tanganyikans. However in my past I did keep Malawi
mbuna's with Tropheus and Petrochromis species from Lake Tanganyika. Be
sure there is a lot of rock structure in your tank so everyone can find
a niche.
Cindi & Chuck wrote:
>
> Fredrik Folkesson wrote:
> >
> > I have a 100 gallon tank with Malawi cichlids
> > and I need an opinion about mixing Malawi and Tanganyika
> > cichlids. I´ve heard that Tropheus can get along with Mbunas.
> > the water conditions and diet is similar but I´m not sure.
> > anyone who knows about this?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Fredrik
>
> Hi, Fredrik
>
> I have had no trouble, so far, in my 40g. I have Pseudotropheus Zebras,
> Livingstonii and Obliquidens Zebras in the same tank. I have had no
> trouble whatsoever. I have wanted to get a couple of Frontosas to put
> in my 125g. The LFS told me that I shouldn't have a problem but the
> general consensus on this newsgroup is that Fronts are gentle and too
> expensive to experiment with. So far the Obliquidens are the only
> Tanganyika cichlid I have tried. They are working out great.
>
> Cindi
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William M. Groth
Hello David, and others,
We just moved into a new house and I do now have a fish room with 9
tanks
with fish in them ranging in size from 2-1/2 to 180 gallons and other
tanks in other parts of the house. I have one or two community tanks
and have enjoyed them plus several species tanks where I have very
successfully spawned a number of species. The key to a community tank
is being very careful in your selection of species. Remember that in
the wild there are not separate tanks for every species but there is
room to escape aggression. Tank size is a very important consideration
in raising C. frontosa.
"Durango" Dave wrote:
>
SNIP
> Some of us just don't have the room for multiple tanks...and until I can
> convince my wife to add an addition to the house JUST for my aquariums,
> it's gonna stay that way! Plus, I just like community tanks - they don't
> look as sterile...
>
> That's why there's chocolate and vanilla...different strokes for different
> folks.
Dave Gunter
In article <01bcf0d1$9c76e540$44b6f482@default>, Fredrik Folkesson
>I have a 100 gallon tank with Malawi cichlids
>and I need an opinion about mixing Malawi and Tanganyika
>cichlids. I´ve heard that Tropheus can get along with Mbunas.
>the water conditions and diet is similar but I´m not sure.
>anyone who knows about this?
>
>Thanks
>
>Fredrik
I have yellow labs (about a dozen), one each of A. benschii(?) and A.
jacobfrieberg, four blue dolphins, a small (3") frontosa and two
altolamprologus calvus, all happily co-existing together in a 72" tank.
I did have several of the more general Mbuna (zebras, johanni etc), but
had to get rid of them due to wife and son being unable to handle the
aggression.
--
Dave Gunter
SK Robinson
Hi,
I'm not an expert, but I was told you REALLY have to watch the diet for
Tropheus. Veggies only (spirulina). They will have problems if you start to
feed bloodworms, brine shrimp and meat containing foods.
Scott
Fredrik Folkesson wrote in message <01bcf0d1$9c76e540$44b6f482@default>...
H Kroese
Hi Cindi & Chuck
In a 40 gallon these fish have not much room
If you placed in rocks maybe you have 30 gallon
that's 100 liter, not to much.Remember fish will grow.
IMHO every fish experimenting with, is'nt a good thing.
Frontosa or a guppy they both are living animals.
BTW Obliquidens, Lake Tanganyika.???
If you mean Cyathochromis obliquidens, they coming from
Lake Malawi, found at Likoma island.
Or maybe, Cyathochromis obliquidens found throughout the lake,
beautifull ones at Chisumulu island, also Malawi.
Hope i've explain something.
Friendly regards
Cichlid Power!
kro...@concepts.nl
Cindi & Chuck <cichli...@yahoo.com> schreef in artikel
<346C3D...@yahoo.com>...
Cindi & Chuck
H Kroese wrote:
>
> In a 40 gallon these fish have not much room
> If you placed in rocks maybe you have 30 gallon
> that's 100 liter, not to much.Remember fish will grow.
> IMHO every fish experimenting with, is'nt a good thing.
> Frontosa or a guppy they both are living animals.
>
> BTW Obliquidens, Lake Tanganyika.???
>
> If you mean Cyathochromis obliquidens, they coming from
> Lake Malawi, found at Likoma island.
> Or maybe, Cyathochromis obliquidens found throughout the lake,
> beautifull ones at Chisumulu island, also Malawi.
> Hope i've explain something.
>
> Friendly regards
> Cichlid Power!
> kro...@concepts.nl
>
I have already been caught in my mistake and stand corrected. The LFS I
don't like going to, have the Obliqs in the Tanganyika area. I trusted
their word. Now you know why I don't like using them. SORRY, GUYS.
I do LOVE my fish and really take precautions! I had not had any deaths
in a very long time. We check our water and do proper water changes. I
am constantly reading and asking questions to make sure I don't make
mistakes. I have pretty much stayed with the same fish in my 125g and
when the fish in the one 40g were moved to the 125g, we wanted something
different. Unfortunately, I did not do my research on the Livingstonii
and might regret it. The fish in the 40g will eventually be moved to a
larger tank. Right now, they are all about an inch in size. There are
2 OB Zebras, 2 Livingstonii, 3 Albino Zebras and 4 Obliquidens Zebras.
I realize that a 40g is not a good, permanent home for adult fish.
I have decided against the Fronts for now. I don't a tank large enough
for them to be by themselves.
Cindi
Cindi & Chuck
> BTW the first time i hear that Obliquidens is a tanganyikan :-o
>
> didn't want to be rude, but why do some people want to mix different > type of cichlids. I have a lot of fun keeping different types..but all > in a specific tank, made for their needs.
> Cya
really thought I was told Lake Tanganyika. Please enlighten me if I was
wrong. And I am serious. I am very attached to my fish and want to be
sure I am right about statements I make. I don't want to lead anyone
down the wrong path.
By the way, we have a 125g and 2 40's. I normally don't mix fish but
the Obliquidens Zebra are so pretty and have a nice personality. I am
hearing things about the Livingstonii that makes me wonder if that
decision was correct. I had stuck to the same kind of fish for so long,
I wanted to get something I didn't have yet.
I hope I do not have any diasters.
Cindi
Crom
It's true that there are dietary differences, but the main reason to
not house fished from the two lakes is their differences in
communication. I suspect that anyone advocating mixing species from
the two lakes hasn't done their homework. If experts like Konings and
Loiselle say not to mix them, none of us on this list can argue.
These guys don't just write books. They study the fish in depth (in
and out of the lakes), and it's their career. How can anyone argue
with experts of this caliber? These guys aren't Axelrod. If anyone
with their experience advocates mixing fishes from the two lakes,
please contact me. I'd like to hear from you..
Disgruntled and disgusted,
Brian T Forsythe
cr...@cris.com
liv2padl
Dear Disgruntled and disgusted. While nobody here would dispute the fact
that Ad Konigs, Paul Loiselle and folks of their ilk have excellent
credentials there are no credentials better than hands on experience which
is in fact, the homework you refer to. While communication is certainly
important for breeding, I don't think we 'advocates' as you put it are
suggesting that breeding Mbuna with Tropheus is a good idea nor even
feasible. We are saying that if you choose your fish carefully, it is
possible to keep these two species together in a community of 'Africans'
if you choose to do so. Bear in mind that the experts to whom you refer
are purists and I'm not surprised by their position. Calling someone an
'expert' however does not mean, at least to me, that I must or even should
accept his/her opinion as fact. Learning is achieved by questioning
'fact'. I for one am not arguing with 'experts', just making the
observation like others in this group, that I maintain a very established
aquarium containing species from both lakes and find no difficulty
whatever in doing so. Your dogmatic position here indicates to me that
you blindly accept whatever is offered you by 'experts' which is an
unfortunate way to go through life. Finally, please note that anyone can
write a book. Having done so does not make an expert out of you. You can
simply take the word of other 'experts' and carry it forward into your new
'work of literary merit' without ever having added new or significant
information. I'm not suggesting that Ad Konigs falls into this category
... frankly I haven't read any of his work; I am suggesting that you not
hold him up as God. If "A picture is worth a thousand words", than the
combined experience of all of us who have kept Malawi and Tanganyikan fish
together is worth a thousand books.
have to do with mixing fish from these two lakes in a community tank
situation.
Andy
Clearly we're getting down to the finer points of husbandry...
I agree with you Crom, that communication is an important consideration when
choosing what fish to keep with what fish. This is the same reason I cannot
understand why 95% of the civilized world (if the alt. newsgroups are any
indicator) insists on rationalizing keeping Africans with South Americans,
Betas with Neons, Goldfish with Gouramis, and Plecos with EVERYTHING.
Drives me nuts... ~8o]=
--
/Andy
hola...@msnBUG.com
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Crom wrote in message <34708107...@news.concentric.net>...
>It's true that there are dietary differences, but the main reason to
>not house fished from the two lakes is their differences in
>communication. I suspect that anyone advocating mixing species from
>the two lakes hasn't done their homework...
Crom
Oh, bother.. Wish I hadn't gotten into this.. But since I opened my
big mouth....
On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:36:08 -0500, liv2...@interpath.com (liv2padl)
wrote:
>Dear Disgruntled and disgusted. While nobody here would dispute the fact
>that Ad Konigs, Paul Loiselle and folks of their ilk have excellent
>credentials there are no credentials better than hands on experience which
>is in fact, the homework you refer to.
You're right (on this one point) -- it's *exactly* the homework I
referred to; however, there's a lot more to it than just keeping fish
alive in a glass box full of water. Frankly, I've not seen anyone on
the 'net with the experience to give credence to their opions advocate
mixing fishes from the two lakes. Because you've kept fish *alive*
together in the same tank doesn't mean you have "hands on experience"
of any worth.
>While communication is certainly
>important for breeding, I don't think we 'advocates' as you put it are
>suggesting that breeding Mbuna with Tropheus is a good idea nor even
>feasible.
Perhaps an explanation of what I meant when I said "communication"
would have made my post clearer. Communication is "certainly
important" for a lot more than breeding. The interactions between the
different species kept in a community is, IMNSHO, one of the primary
joys of keeping aquaria.
If, of course, you just want to have some pretty (or keen, or whatever
adjective you'd like to use) fish to look at, then fine -- throw
together whatever species that won't end up killing each other. If
you just want something to look at, though, why not just pick up a
picture book? Personally, I don't think a mixed lake tank has the
pleasing visual symmetry of a tank with a balanced selection of fishes
from one lake.
If, on the other hand, you'd like to maintain these fish in a rough
(or even comfortable) approximation of their natural environment,
where you can watch the interactions which make the fishes so
fascinating, it's a different story.
>We are saying that if you choose your fish carefully, it is
>possible to keep these two species together in a community of 'Africans'
>if you choose to do so. Bear in mind that the experts to whom you refer
>are purists and I'm not surprised by their position.
I do not argue that it is possible to keep fishes from the two lakes
together without notable incident. Surely you can't argue that it's
not best to keep fishes from one lake in a tank? With all the species
from each lake to choose from, why would anyone ever feel the need,
anyway?
The experts to whom I refer do not recommend against keeping species
from the two lakes together because they are 'purists'. Loiselle (I
use him as an example because I have the most familiarity with his
writings), when he speaks of dither fish, mentions using such things
as goodeids for dithers in a Tanganyikan tank. There are other
examples of 'non-purism' in his writings, but I can't give any off the
top of my head. To reiterate my point, the experts do not recommend
against mixing fishes from the two lakes because they are purists, but
because there are many and varied reasons to not do so, and they're
all good.
>Calling someone an
>'expert' however does not mean, at least to me, that I must or even should
>accept his/her opinion as fact. Learning is achieved by questioning
>'fact'. I for one am not arguing with 'experts', just making the
>observation like others in this group, that I maintain a very established
>aquarium containing species from both lakes and find no difficulty
>whatever in doing so.
What is fact? In science, the only thing that is 'fact' is data
gathered by empirical measurement, and even this can be called to
doubt (ever heard of quantum physics?). Very little of what the
experts present in their books is opinion. (I'm speaking of guys like
Loiselle and Konings here, not every dope that publishes a book.) In
addition to fact, they publish theories, hypotheses, etc that are
grounded in a lot more 'hands on' experience than I (or most anyone
I've met) had.
Learning is *not* achieved by questioning fact. What is commonly
perceived as 'fact' can be questioned and proven false by scientific
examination, which I hardly believe keeping a mishmash of species in a
big glass box constitutes. In fact, if one's only experience in
keeping Africans is in a mixed-lake environment (I'm not saying that
this applies to you), he could not argue this issue, since he has no
observations to compare. I *have* kept (as a temporary measure)
fishes from the two lakes together. They didn't kill each other, but
that doesn't mean I'd recommend it.
>Your dogmatic position here indicates to me that
>you blindly accept whatever is offered you by 'experts' which is an
>unfortunate way to go through life. Finally, please note that anyone can
>write a book. Having done so does not make an expert out of you. You can
Yeah. A good example is Axelrod. ACK!
>simply take the word of other 'experts' and carry it forward into your new
>'work of literary merit' without ever having added new or significant
>information. I'm not suggesting that Ad Konigs falls into this category
>... frankly I haven't read any of his work; I am suggesting that you not
>hold him up as God. If "A picture is worth a thousand words", than the
>combined experience of all of us who have kept Malawi and Tanganyikan fish
>together is worth a thousand books.
I question the words of the 'experts', and do not consider anyone an
expert just because he has written a book.... I do not hold anyone up
as God, though I must admit that Loiselle and Konings have to be close
:).. After all, they hang out in heaven (those big lakes in East
Africa)....
Lemme just say in closing that I don't recommend against mixing fishes
from the two lakes just because 'you're not s'posed to', but because,
in doing so, I think you miss out on a much larger experience which
you receive with a monolacustrine (hehe -- is that a word?) tank.
Happy fishkeeping,
Brian T Forsythe
cr...@cris.com
Orly
In article <liv2padl-161...@ecity-182.interpath.net>,
liv2...@interpath.com says...
>
>I don't think we 'advocates' as you put it are
>suggesting that breeding Mbuna with Tropheus is a good idea nor even
>feasible.
Gee, I could see some T. duboisi running with a mild tempered P. demasonii or
something like that. Besides, the use of the term "Mbuna" used during the
infancy of this thread to describe "Malawians" was definately an extreme.
There are plenty of fish in Malawi that can be housed with Tanganyikans. I
prefer to worry about the balance of the biotopes occupied in the community
rather than the individual species point of origin.
>We are saying that if you choose your fish carefully, it is
>possible to keep these two species together in a community of 'Africans'
>if you choose to do so. Bear in mind that the experts to whom you refer
>are purists and I'm not surprised by their position. Calling someone an
>'expert' however does not mean, at least to me, that I must or even should
>accept his/her opinion as fact. Learning is achieved by questioning 'fact'.
hmm, pretty bold assumption. One can spend many years trying to prove what
someone has already demonstrated - knowledge that can be taken for granted.
If we do not build on eachothers knowledge then by definition, we are through
as a species. I must uphold that not all fact should be questioned, as it
might lead to an exceptional waste of time.
>I for one am not arguing with 'experts', just making the
>observation like others in this group, that I maintain a very established
>aquarium containing species from both lakes and find no difficulty
>whatever in doing so. Your dogmatic position here indicates to me that
>you blindly accept whatever is offered you by 'experts' which is an
>unfortunate way to go through life.
I would not go that far. Brian is pretty good at finding his own truths as
evidenced by the most thorough water chemistry analysis I have ever seen.
>Finally, please note that anyone can write a book.
As you have attempted in this post ;)
Orly
or...@ti.com! There really is no heaven, just
some big lakes in East Africa.
M. D. Hunt
I used to be an advocate of the rules of avoiding mixing of fish from
different origins. Then, upon having to move to a smaller apartment and
being forced to combine tanks, there was no choice.
I agree with Orly, maybe in not so esoteric a manner, but agree all the
same. Most fish you but in the store today are used to the water
conditions of the area they are raised. So, if you want to raise fish
from different lakes, thier water requirements are not necessarilly the
same as the fish in the original habitat. In other words, if you want to
take the risk of putting fish together that have never seen the likes of
the species you are going to combine them with, be prepared to lose some
fish. Because, different species of fish are genetically encoded with
the ability to recognize other fish as food or foe and changing their
surrounding tankmates removes that encoding.
The main thing you need to worry about is maintaining a healthy, safe
environment for your fish, clean water, hiding places... Beyond that,
you're keeping fish in a glass box for God's sake! How can you possibly
be so worried that the fish don't live in the manner others are proposing
as they would in the wild? Can't see the forest for the trees, eh? It's
not like you are going to recreate their environment in a tank no mattrer
what the size, so get over it and enjoy the hobby we all share.
I'll step off my box now, sorry.
Mike
Nestor10
Orly:> Brian is pretty good at finding his own truths as evidenced by the
most thorough water chemistry analysis I have ever seen.
I take it then that he has a home page somewhere? I'd be really interested
in finding this analysis, as it may answer a few questions for my own
benfit.
I've been sifting through the Krib's archives, but it is time consuming and
piecemeal...
-Y-
nest...@mindspring.chkr.com
"chkr." is for mail-bots
spectre911
On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:49:42 GMT, cr...@cris.com (Crom) wrote:
>Lemme just say in closing that I don't recommend against mixing fishes
>from the two lakes just because 'you're not s'posed to', but because,
>in doing so, I think you miss out on a much larger experience which
>you receive with a monolacustrine (hehe -- is that a word?) tank.
The only cichlids in my house are Tanganyikans. But that is not
because I am a purist, it is because I don't like the constant
aggression in a mbuna tank. And frankly I think the Mbuna are about
the only interesting Malawi chichlids. But that is only my opinion.
My real point here is that while an expert in a given field may know a
WHOLE lot more about the field than the average layman it does not
make them infallible. In point of fact anybody who has had an aquarium
set up for more than a few years with a group of fish will MOST
PROBABLY know more about how those fish get along together in that
environment than anyone else in the world. The odds one of these
experts had a tank like yours set up for the same amount of time with
the same mix of fish in it are VERY slim. Do the math. It is a fast
field and nobody know everything.
I am a programmer by trade, and I consider myself to be an expert. But
if all new programmers just took what the experts said as gospel and
went along with the conventional wisdom then the field would never
advance. That doesn't mean we all need to re-invent the wheel, but
isn't there a better way to make the wheel?
Crom
It's *in* the krib's archives --
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~aquaria/Krib/Plants/CO2/rift.html. It's
kinda hard to find, cuz Erik's got it under the plants section. I'd
forgotten, and had trouble finding it myself a moment ago. There are
also a few other very good posts there.
As for a home page, there will be one coming soon, hopefully --
Neolamprologus Anonymous, a place for addicts to unite! (Thanks to
Cyn for the name.) It will focus on the lamprologines
(Neolamprologus, Altolamprologus) and their allies (Juldichromis,
Telmatochromis, Chalnochromis,...) of Lake Tanganyika. The species as
well as their care (things like water chemistry) will be discussed. I
also plan on having bits from net.experts regarding their personal
experiences and philosophy. I'm a web-developer by trade, so it's
kinda hard to get my 'nose to the grindstone' in my spare time....
Hope this helps,
Brian T Forsythe
cr...@cris.com
Gregory J. Austin
Mike,
I'm with you. We all love are fish, but you're kidding yourself if
you think your 100 gallons of water replicates in any way the natural
evironment of your fish. If the fish can coexist together and be
healthy and make their owners happy, what's the problem?
Greg
Nestor10
Damn, what a case of timing -
I just pulled that very page out of the archive late last night in order to
compare it to the mix I'm using for my _J. ornatus_.
Please do post to us when the page is up. You can count on me to visit.
Orly
In article <01bcf3b1$5d49a640$1b04...@CCDN.FORTLEWIS.EDU>,
nei...@fortlewis.edu says...
>I'll bet plenty of people told that to Columbus right before he sailed off
>the edge of the world! I respect your knowledge, Orly, but must disagree
>with you here.
OK then David, I'll get right on that wheel we have been wanting to invent...
Gronimo007
hap obliquedens are victorians fishes which generally have similar water
quality as malawan's, i keep peacocks with my tanga. they are not as aggressive
as say pseudos, u can have all three lakes if u wish, but i'd stick with
malawans and victorians and keep tanga. separate, one important point, it also
depends on the livestock u purchase, alot of these cichlids are farm raisedor
breed in homes and they have never experianced their true habitat so water
chemistry may not play as big of a factor as it would for wild caught ones